Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Can you determine what was meant by this written word?

My heart of love for God our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is to show in my posting what was ensampled for us to follow. And NOT what man has adopted by their own free means of traditions and doctrine today. Men continuely appear to ensample the written word's message of leavened bread, and how leaders of Rome, the Pharisees, and scribes tried to control and power the land here on earth.
(Matthew 5:20) (Matthew 5:18)


Christ has fulfilled all that was written! And is the unleaven bread of sincerity and truth we are to eat. (John 19:28 John 19:36)(1 Cr 5:8)


As written in Psalm 23 quote "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death" we are being advised of our path here on earth, and the danger of death in following satan, walking in darkness of sin, and eating at satan's table .

The awareness in which we must stay awake, as Christ told the disciples, and as it is written, satan takes the word of God away so that man is unfruitful. The parables reflect this message.

Matthew 13:23 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Believing that "The LORD JESUS" is the shepherd, and bishop of the soul. Christ restored the soul, and He leads man in the paths of righteousness for HIS name's sake. He has prepared HIS table in the presence of our enemies for us to eat and drink as one with HIM.

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Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Can you determine what was meant by this written word?

The REPLY:

Matthew 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Can anyone determine what was meant by this ?

Are you asking or have you got an answer?

Are you asking or have you got an answer?

I have offered everything I trust that could help in understanding the meaning of this question and posted it along with the question.

But I wonder who would be comprehended as the little dogs eating bread that is cast to them, or what others might have studied in belief and interpretation of this statement.

It does not appear that anyone has an answer.

It doesn't look like you really have a question, just looking for another opportunity to preach, or to post the bible.

You're the expert on all of this, why don't you tell us what you think it means? Personally, I'm tired of reading all this scripture that you post.

I have offered everything I trust that could help in understanding the meaning of this question and posted it along with the question.

But I wonder who would be comprehended as the little dogs eating bread that is cast to them, or what others might have studied in belief and interpretation of this statement.

It does not appear that anyone has an answer.


I would say that the quotes you have given are a bit too culture sensitive.

Jesus is saying, I have come first and foremost to the House of
Israel, His primary focus was to be for the Jew's. In speaking of
Children, He is referring to the children of Israel, the Jews.
Speaking of bread, He is referring to Himself, The Bread Life.
In speaking of little dogs, He is referring to the gentiles.


Very good sndbay, this is a good discussion but it is hard for a lot of people to understand.

Love and Blessing, Maggie 3

Maggie, Thank you, I trust the message was guided by the Holy Spirit.

I suppose that the gentiles could possibly show some signs of being hungry for the bread. That being the case, why wouldn't Christ just open the door to sup with them as well if that is true.

Perhaps it depends how much a little dog's act of eating is led by curiousity, and not hungry. Curousity being define as nosiness, snooping or prying. Then it example how Christ knows the heart of those that follow apposed to those that come to pry and snoop out of nosiness.

Grace be with you
~in Christ

I would say that the quotes you have given are a bit too culture sensitive.

Thank you TUT317 for the suggestion, I would agree that when we are to comprehend the meaning, we indeed have to acknowledge the culture sensitive aspects.

I trust the Spirit of Truth that works and is given when we ask in heart of love for help. Maggie delivered that help through that Spirit.

It doesn't look like you really have a question, just looking for another opportunity to preach, or to post the bible.

You're the expert on all of this, why don't you tell us what you think it means? Personally, I'm tired of reading all this scripture that you post.

The Spirit of Truth is clearly shown. I was moved to ask the question I have asked, after reading my morning devotion from scripture. There is always an answer that will come, because I prayer for that Truth, and God's will to be done.

Altenweg, this is a Christian forum, and I would expect scripture offered as the Word of God in a Christian discussion.

If you are tired of reading scripture, then you must be here out of curiousity. Much like the message this thread has disccussed.

Go in peace, I walk having the spirit and willing to serve the Lord.

~in Christ

sndbay,
I believe that the statement is quite clear.
To take food meant for children to be given to any other person or thing is a big no no.
That is like what has happened in several instances where food that was meant for very poor families has been used or given to others.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

That is like what has happened in several instances where food that was meant for very poor families has been used or given to others.
Peace and kindness,
Fred


Hi Fred, If you review again the scripture verses, you will notice that this woman was of Canaan, asking for mercy because her daughter was over taken by the devil (15:22) The disciple said, "send her away" (15:23) But Christ spoke the response to the woman, saying He was not only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. (15:24) So the woman then worshipped Christ, and asked for HIS help (15:25)

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Matthew 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Christ is saying to the woman, this is the bread that comes from the masters' table.
As we know: This bread, is the daily bread we ask for in prayer. The bread from the Lord's table, our master to whom we are servants. It is the daily bread of knowledge and blessing in Christ Jesus. And the followers or believers receive this bread from their master. This bread is not meant for children of the devil such as the woman's daughter who reaped from her actions to follow satan. The daughter grievously vexed with a devil.


God our Father has promised to His children, (referanced as the children of the promise) to be as His begotten again, children of God through Christ.
(Gal3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. )

So the example there at that time, was as Maggie pointed out in post #9, the children of Isreal, that were eating bread from the masters' table, and the woman suggesting that crumbs of that bread do fall to such as the little dog. Maggie suggests that the little dog was the Gentiles, which would be the nation of Canaan. I agree with Maggie. I have researched this further to find, that the Gentiles were known as dogs by the Jews and despired as such (Matthew 7:6)

The woman of Canaan was said to have great faith, because she believed that even with a few crumbs from the Bread of Life, that her daughter would be helped, and was asking for that help.
(Her faith was shown contrast the disciples faith, noted in Matthew 16:7-8 as little faith)
They had seen the power of God and how the Bread of Life comes to HIS children, and in HIM they follow to worship HIM.
Opposed to the leaven bread of the Pharisees noted as man's doctrine referance in Matthew 16:12. The doctrine that come by man's mouth, and is of flesh and blood.
Man's doctrine is Not the Bread of Life reveals to us, by God our Father which is in heaven.

Peace & Joy
~in Christ

sndbay,
Thank you much for your explanation of this.
I do agree.
There are several episodes recorded in the Gospels where people other than some Jews who had a great or greater faith.
Take for instance the Roman centurian who asked for Jesus help in curing the officer's servant and as the officer suggested Jesus cured the servant from afar.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

"The Lord is my Shepherd ; I shall not want." With out Him I have nothing. "He leads me beside quiet waters, He restores my soul".
He restores our souls through fellowship with Him, at times we may stray from Him, but He remains the Good Shepherd. We may
Wonder, but He receives us back gladly and pardons His wayward
Sheep. We never make a conscious decision to forsake the Father,
We slip away slowly as of wandering desires and selfish attempts to
Meet our own need. But when we strive to attain comfort and safety
Apart from God, we stray farther and farther away from Him. But a
Warm reception is awaiting a lost sheep. There is no scolding or
Punishment for the wayward lamb, all heaven rejoices iwhen a wandering
Child of God returns to the fold. God knows our need phsically,
Emotionaly, and spiritually, right now. He is working now to
Accomplish the things we need and that we have not thought of yet.
God is our pardoning Shepherd, and also a providing Shepherd.
"Your rod and staff, they comfort me." Ancient shephards used these tools to defend their sheep from vicious animals seeking a quick
Meal. God moves before us, clearing the way of the enemy's snares.
The Good shephard, is leading us though the darkness and into
The light. It is there in His presence that He will pardon, provide for, and protect us, Always.

Love and Blessing, Maggie 3

Altenweg, this is a Christian forum, and I would expect scripture offered as the Word of God in a Christian discussion.
And we certainly don't want any non-Christians to muzzy up this board...

Show love to non-Christians? Good grief! After all, she's not walking with us to Emmaus.

Wondergirl,
Why not invited Altenweg along on a friendly trek along the road to Emmaus?
I do.
A spiritual walk with Jesus has been a great help for many people.
Like all walks it is done with one step at a time.
The attitude one has during then trek can be of great help.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

"The Lord is my Shepherd


"Exceptionally Beautiful "

Wondergirl,
Why not invited Altenweg along on a friendly trek along the road to Emmaus?
I do.
A spiritual walk with Jesus has been a great help for many people.
Like all walks it is done with one step at a time.
The attitude one has during then trek can be of great help.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred, Your intentions are that of faith, and a heart of love much like the woman wanting the crumbs from the table for help. Just remember that each has their own heart of desire, and no other then Christ can be the saviour. If it is God's will, the bread is permitted, and it usually takes a willing heart of love shown grace for grace.

Leave this in the hands of God, and know that each member of the body of Christ, has a circumcised heart of righteousness in faith.
So we are told in (Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.)

We can pray for those that have been deceived, but they are accountable to thier own choice.

~God grace be with you

Wondergirl,
Why not invited Altenweg along on a friendly trek along the road to Emmaus?
I do.
A spiritual walk with Jesus has been a great help for many people.
Like all walks it is done with one step at a time.
The attitude one has during then trek can be of great help.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I totally agree, Fred, and have invited her on more than one occasion. Other Christians here, however, have no patience with her, yet Alty is more "Christian-acting" than they are.

We can pray for those that have been deceived, but they are accountable to thier own choice.
But we have a responsibility meanwhile to listen and to empathize and to present the Gospel accordingly.

But we have a responsibility meanwhile to listen and to empathize and to present the Gospel accordingly.

Yes we live by example in righteousness, and do not judge.

We can offer the truth, but we are then told as it is written, that if they do not listen or refuse to believe, the Word of Truth is a stumblingblock.

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.


When each are ready to hear the Word of God, it is to the praise and glory of God.

We can offer the truth, but we are then told as it is written, that if they do not listen or refuse to believe, the Word of Truth is a stumblingblock.
But too often the Christian "messenger" is the stumblingblock. Unfortunately, he will blame the non-Christian, when it is his own awful method of delivery.

This is what the parable of the wheat and tares mean. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the Kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. God has put the righteous and the wicked to live alongside one another.
Tares have the same color, shape and fragrance as wheat, but no head of grain forms so tares bare no fruit.
The tares soak up the nutrients and they take up space, but produce nothing in return. They are unidentifiable until harvest time. Be on guard
By knowing God's Word and depending on the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to
Life and few find it. Beware of false prophets, they come in sheep's
Clothing but are the same as wolves. A good tree cannot bare bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bare good fruit. So by their fruit you will know them. .
Eat from the Lords table, the bread of Life, His Word that gives, Wisdom,
Knowledge, and Understanding. This is our victory. HALLELUJAH.


Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

So by their fruit you will know them.
One would hope so, but that's not always the case.

Wondergirl,
Yes, but in most cases their fruit gives us a good picture of who and what they are.
In some cases, however, some can produce what is called a devil's trick. That is the appearance of producing good fruit in order to deceive.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

That is the appearance of producing good fruit in order to deceive.
Oh, there's no intention to deceive. They are Christians, but very poor at demonstrating that fact. They are more interested in promoting the creed and making others say "I believe" rather than promoting the ethic of love for God and for each other.

Oh, there's no intention to deceive. They are Christians, but very poor at demonstrating that fact. .

If you believe that then perhaps you have discerned them as being asleep. The Word of God is taken from them. They have let a stranger into their home.

We are told to watch carefully, and as the disciples were told stay awake.

1st Thessalonians 4:13-14 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

A Christian knows how they ought to walk to please God, and to be fruitful. They know the commandments that were given by Christ Jesus. Your sanctification as a Christian is known to you.

God did not call us in the mist of cleanness but in the mist of holiness. God has given in the mist of us the Holy Spirit. You are taught of God to love one another.

But too often the Christian "messenger" is the stumblingblock. Unfortunately, he will blame the non-Christian, when it is his own awful method of delivery.

Wondergirl this is why we do not use force by what we believe. We can offer spiritual truth by questioning "Do you believe in Christ Jesus?" but if it not wanted then we walk away not to cause defraud to any brother in any matter.

Again when any brother or sister accept God, it is to the glory and praise of the Father in heaven.

All have been called and Christ Jesus is the completeness that is surrounded in that calling. ( One body, One spirit, One hope, One Faith, One Lord, One God and Father of all, through all, and in us all) We see Christ as the height and abundance of God's love infinitely. Christians look for that fulness, and are to walk in that fulness.

~in Christ

So by their fruit you will know them. .
Eat from the Lords table, the bread of Life, His Word that gives, Wisdom,
Knowledge, and Understanding. This is our victory. HALLELUJAH.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3


Exactly the Lord's table, the Bread of Life, the word made flesh, HIS WORD.

Christ spoke only those things which His Father gave Him, and as Christians we deny ourselves to follow Him in HIS Word, we should speak the Words He has given us to eat.

John 12:48-49-50 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Wondergirl this is why we do not use force by what we believe. We can offer spiritual truth by questioning "Do you believe in Christ Jesus?" but if it not wanted then we walk away not to cause defraud to any brother in any matter.
That will not work as a question to a non-Christian. It's a threat, not a loving question. There are better ways to introduce Christ into someone's life.

That will not work as a question to a non-Christian. It's a threat, not a loving question. There are better ways to introduce Christ into someone's life.



If you presumably question why they do not believe then yes it becomes a threat. I trust most would just react to the question with a, no I don't believe or yes I do believe. If you were really introducing Christ, then you would get an answer of who is Christ Jesus.

The threat is always in having to answer to the choice one makes. That is what I would example about not forcing any belief.

One can walk away showing respectfully that they will not defraud or count themself at a better level or esteem, then their brother. Not judging..

If you presumably question why they do not believe then yes it becomes a threat. I trust most would just react to the question with a, no I don't believe or yes I do believe. If you were really introducing Christ, then you would get an answer of who is Christ Jesus.
I wouldn't even question in the beginning. That would be the threat and a big turn-off. I would begin without even a hint of "do you believe." You have no idea how threatening that is.

Donna, a fine Christian woman, invited newcomers to town to go with her to a social group meeting of various ages of women who babysat during church services. Nothing was mentioned about God or religion or church rites and rituals. Donna provided transportation if needed and accompanied the women to the meetings and introduced them to others. At the meeting, the Christian women talked about their babysitting schedules and the things they did to keep the children in their care occupied for at least an hour. Coffee and desserts were served. More often than not, after a few such meetings, the newbies joined the babysitting group and eventually the congregation. THAT'S how to do mission work!

Now, tell me WHY it worked so well.

Wondergirl,
You have make a very good point with that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Now, tell me WHY it worked so well.

The method is known well in retail sales. It is called relationship marketing. Net working a friend of a friend of a friend is another such example.

Off thread on this discussion, but I think there is another discussion or thread related to how some churches promote their religion.

The method is known well in retail sales. It is called relationship marketing. Net working a friend of a friend of a friend is another such example.

off thread on this discussion, but I think there is another discussion or thread related to how some churches promote their religion.
But the best way is to beat the unchurched over the head with "I believe" and "do you believe"?

But the best way is to beat the unchurched over the head with "I believe" and "do you believe"?

I believe in the Holy Spirit, and the one body and one spirit relationship that is within. My relationship is with Christ Jesus who dwells within, and I don't buy into following other friends and what they follow. I follow Christ Jesus, and not the flesh, but the spirit.
(Romans 8)

One does not have to ask people whether they believe in Christ Jesus because you know by the love they show towards other if they too walk having the spirit of our Lord. You can tell by the words that they speak, who they follow.

I don't believe this relationship can sold, nor can it be bought.

May you be all you were created to be.

~in Christ

One does not have to ask people whether they believe in Christ Jesus because you know by the love they show towards other if they too walk having the spirit of our Lord.
I have many friends who show love to others even more wonderfully and cheerfully than Christians I know, yet they are not Christian. I don't believe jumping up and down claiming to be a Christian and demanding that others turn from their sins and become Christian is walking the walk. Too many of those non-Christians easily walk in more Christian ways than the so-called Christians do.

God knows the heart.