Log in

View Full Version : National electric code free online


jwl0606444
Dec 9, 2009, 08:50 AM
What's the distance for gfci from water fixture?

tkrussell
Dec 9, 2009, 08:55 AM
Zero to 72 inches from a sink.

Why is your post title different than your question?

donf
Dec 9, 2009, 08:58 AM
Anywhere within a 6 ft. radius of water an outlet must be protected by a GFCI receptacle. That receptacle can protect just itself or other receptacles that are downstream of it.

Also, a GFCI circuit breaker can protect the entire branch-circuit.

stanfortyman
Dec 9, 2009, 09:32 AM
The term "water fixture" does not appear in the NEC.

stanfortyman
Dec 9, 2009, 09:34 AM
Anywhere within a 6 ft. radius of water an outlet must be protected by a GFCI receptacle.
This is simply not true Don. There are locations, such as laundry and wet bar, where there is a 6' proximity to a sink, but "water outlet" is not a term

donf
Dec 9, 2009, 09:55 AM
Stan,

I did not use the term, "Water Fixture".

I used the term,"Water" because I was thinking in terms of a bathroom where sinks, showers or tubs would be present.

stanfortyman
Dec 9, 2009, 10:05 AM
Like I said, the only 6' numbers are laundry, utility and wet bar.

Kitchens are ALL counter 120v 15 & 20 amp receptacles.
Outside, bathrooms, unfinished basements & crawls, garages, sheds, out buildings, are all 120v 15 & 20 amp receptacles.

donf
Dec 9, 2009, 11:10 AM
Stan,

Allow me to retrench a little bit. The Residential Wiring book shows a 6' radius from water, but it is showing the installation of a lighting track. Not that that is code applicable.

I did re-check the 2008 NEC section 210.8 A [ all 125 volt 15 and 20 amps shall have GFCI protections as in sections 1 through 8. (1) Bathrooms.

So as I interpret it to say that if there is a branch-circuit going into a bathroom whether it is for a light fixture or not, it needs to be on a GFCI protected circuit.

The words "Water or Water fixture" are not relevant if it is a Bathroom.

stanfortyman
Dec 9, 2009, 11:36 AM
Allow me to retrench a little bit. The Residential Wiring book shows a 6' radius from water, but it is showing the installation of a lighting track. Not that that is code applicable.Then I see where the misconception lies. Those books are not nearly always right.




I did re-check the 2008 NEC section 210.8 A [ all 125 volt 15 and 20 amps shall have GFCI protections as in sections 1 through 8. (1) Bathrooms.

So as I interpret it to say that if there is a branch-circuit going into a bathroom whether it is for a light fixture or not, it needs to be on a GFCI protected circuit.No, because 210.8(A) is for receptacles, not branch circuits:
(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through (8) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.




The words "Water or Water fixture" are not relevant if it is a Bathroom."Water or Water fixture" are not relative anywhere. About the only related term would be "sink".

donf
Dec 9, 2009, 03:48 PM
Stan,

Back to the source book (2008 NEC Handbook) I went.

As quoted by you, section 210.8A reads as you say.< Not that I am surprised at all.>

That makes my statement "All branch circuits going into a bathroom..." wrong. The correct response is that any Receptacle in a bathroom "Shall" be protected by a GFCI. Also any circuit that serves both a bathroom lighting fixture as well as a receptacle would also need GFCI. Given that GFCI is protection for humans and not necessarily the branch-circuit equipment.

I have got to be more reticent in reading the code. Slow down and think, not speed read.

Thanks for the corrections it is most appreciated.

tkrussell
Dec 10, 2009, 11:14 AM
Always read the Code slow, and carefully.


Slow down and think, not speed read.

Always be sure you understand where you are in the Code, as Sections before are important and may be related, and any that may be referred to in the Section you are reading.

Each word in the Code is very important.

wvoyl8
Jul 13, 2012, 12:35 AM
How close must a swimming pool filter be to the electrical outlet. This filter hangs from the side of the pool.

tkrussell
Jul 13, 2012, 07:36 AM
The filter can be as close as necessary to the outlet, however, the outlet cannot be closer to the pools edge than 10 feet if using a standard GFI protected receptacle, or 6 feet if the outlet is a single, grounding, locking device, and of course, GFI protected.

jlw6710
Aug 6, 2012, 01:22 PM
Is it OK to have the GFCI plug in on the wall that is in front of the sink about 3 feet away from the sink and about 2 ft away from the door

jlw6710
Aug 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
How many GFCI plug ins do you have to have over top of the kitchen sink? Is there a certain distance that the GFCI plug ins have to be away from each other. My husband has 3 GFCI above the sink, is that OK or can we do it a safe cheaper way? Thanks for you help

jlw6710
Aug 6, 2012, 01:25 PM
He says he knows but I am just making sure. That's just me. We bought a home and flipped it. What is some other things about residential wiring that you can tell me. I just want to learn. I find electrical wiring interesting. Thanks

hkstroud
Aug 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Is it OK to have the GFCI plug in on the wall that is in front of the sink about 3 feet away from the sink and about 2 ft away from the door
Yes.
I assume you mean over a kitchen counter. Wouldn't make much common sense to put it directly over the sink.


Is there a certain distance that the GFCI plug ins have to be away from each other.

No, can be as close as you would like.


My husband has 3 GFCI above the sink, is that OK or can we do it a safe cheaper way?
You could put in one GFI outlet and have it protect the other two non-GFI outlets.


I just want to learn.

It is outlet or receptacle not plug. A plug is the thing on the end of your lamp cord that you plug into the outlet.

It is GFI (Ground Fault Interrupter) outlet not GFCI.

It is a GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter) circuit breaker. They go in the breaker panel and interrupt the entire circuit. They provide GFI protection to the entire circuit.

Don't get mad, you asked.

Ask all you questions in one post, not necessary to post each question separately. Don't piggy back (tack your question on to someone else's thread).

Welcome to AMHD. A great place to get help.