There has been a heating discussion last night, and some of my classmates thought China is capitalistic, another thought China is essentially communist...

The capitalistist thought market economy was the main reason that China is capitalistic, on the contrary, others were not agree with them...

I think capitalistic and communism were combined by China. What's your opinion?

I think by definition Capitalism and Communism cannot be combined. That would result in either a paradox, or a little give on both sides resulting in socialism. The true idea of Capitalism has be trod upon beyond recognition. The height of Capitalism in America was in the early eighteen hundreds, whee it was abused and then controlled. Now, even the USA is Socialist by definition.

Personally, on China, I think that many parts of the country are still under Communist reign. They practice many of the same economics that remains essentially unchanged since the rise of Communism. This is especially true in the lesser developed regions of China. However you will see in many of the cities that Capitalism is the general practice, if not then the goal. I would use Hong Kong as an example, however they're not part of China technically speaking.

Further more, you won't see the underdeveloped parts of China changing anytime soon, as there current work structure points to a very niche type society. This doesn't mean that China is governed by either; but rather it's the type of laws sectioned out throughout the country that favor one over the other. China is so diverse you may find common practice in one region taboo in others. Its more like a bunch of smaller countries coexisting within a general union.

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The "Communist Party";a repressive totalitarian regime still run China ;and their model has always been more national socialists than international socialists . The difference of course has always been semantical since there is in fact little difference between international socialism and national socialism.
The Chinese system is NOT Capitalist. Capitalist systems are not dominated by state run or pseudo-state run institutions. There is no free enterprise there .

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The "Communist Party";a repressive totalitarian regime still run China ;and their model has always been more national socialists than international socialists . The difference of course has always been semantical since there is in fact little difference between international socialism and national socialism.
The Chinese system is NOT Capitalist. Capitalist systems are not dominated by state run or pseudo-state run institutions. There is no free enterprise there .

Hi,tomder55.

I think there're many free enterprises in China except some State-Owned Enterprises. China had its market economy, and it didn't planned it's economy all the time except some special time, such as during economic crisis.

And, USA has planned it's economy it the latest economic crisis.Therefore, I think the difference between Capitalist and socialism decreased...

I think by definition Capitalism and Communism cannot be combined. That would result in either a paradox, or a little give on both sides resulting in socialism. The true idea of Capitalism has be trod upon beyond recognition. The height of Capitalism in America was in the early eighteen hundreds, whee it was abused and then controlled. Now, even the USA is Socialist by definition.

Personally, on China, I think that many parts of the country are still under Communist reign. They practice many of the same economics that remains essentially unchanged since the rise of Communism. This is especially true in the lesser developed regions of China. However you will see in many of the cities that Capitalism is the general practice, if not then the goal. I would use Hong Kong as an example, however they're not part of China technically speaking.

Further more, you won't see the underdeveloped parts of China changing anytime soon, as there current work structure points to a very niche type society. This doesn't mean that China is governed by either; but rather its the type of laws sectioned out throughout the country that favor one over the other. China is so diverse you may find common practice in one region taboo in others. Its more like a bunch of smaller countries coexisting within a general union.

Hi,InfoJunkie4Life.
To some extent, do you agree the difference between Communism and Capitalism decreased?

Significantly, as an overall standard.

I think economic does need to plan in some special time, or it's hard for us to deal with economic crisis.

On the other hand, as economic become globalized, I think capitalism and socialism will be combined at last...

The Chinese system is NOT Capitalist. Capitalist systems are not dominated by state run or pseudo-state run institutions. There is no free enterprise there .Hello tom:

If what you say is so, then apparently communism works pretty well. I mean, the Chinese ARE becoming a world power economically, while our power is in decline.

Personally, I'm not ready to signal the death knell of capitalism quite yet like you did. The Chinese people ARE capitalists. The have a LONG history of it, and it doesn't go away - just like yours ain't going away...

I don't know the details - that's YOUR job. But the Chinese economic planners, have for a long time, opened up smaller markets to Chinese entrepreneurs. Not surprisingly it's worked quite successfully for them.

I believe THAT is what the young man is referring to.

Will they ever become pure capitalist? No. Will we? No.

excon

There has been a heating discussion last night, and some of my classmates thought China is capitalistic, another thought China is essentially communist...

The capitalists thought market economy was the main reason that China is capitalistic, on the contrary, others were not agree with them...

I think capitalistic and communism were combined by China. What's your opinion?

I think you need to understand that capitalism is an economic system and communism is a political philosophy. The two can co-exist. China is no longer 100% communist in its thinking, just as certain non-communist countries are not completely capitalist, they are what is described as socialist in orientation. China is becoming socialist but it will required some radical political changes before it could be considered a socialist country

You can look to China being capitalist as distinct from capitalistic when the Chinese government begins to privatise the state owned industries and move away from political control of the means of production of essential materials

Hello tom:

If what you say is so, then apparently communism works pretty well. I mean, the Chinese ARE becoming a world power economically, while our power is in decline.

Personally, I'm not ready to signal the death knell of capitalism quite yet like you did. The Chinese people ARE capitalists. The have a LONG history of it, and it doesn't go away - just like yours ain't going away...

I don't know the details - that's YOUR job. But the Chinese economic planners, have for a long time, opened up smaller markets to Chinese entrepreneurs. Not surprisingly it's worked quite successfully for them.

Will they ever become pure capitalist? No. Will we? No.

excon

Ex you have a strange idea of something working well. The Chinese economy works well because there is an endless supply of people who will work for low wages, it works about as well as the Confederate economy worked before the outbreak of the US Civil War and for the same reason.

China may one day revert to democracy and on that day it will already have a capitalist economy in place. The real question in China is the military who are players in the economy

The Chinese economy works well because there is an endless supply of people who will work for low wages, Hello clete:

It's not low to them.. As a matter of fact, it's a LOT of money. What you describe above, is the foundation for an economic boom, and the Chinese are riding the wave.

You don't notice it?

excon

Hello clete:

It's not low to them.. As a matter of fact, it's a LOT of money. What you describe above, is the foundation for an economic boom, and the Chinese are riding the wave.

You don't notice it?

excon

Hey, ex, I've been there, about 10% are riding that economic boom you think is so great, and, yes, the wages are still low and the hours long, I expect you wouldn't do it. I wonder how many houses have been bulldozed to fuel the boom. A Chinese worker works a lot longer to buy a pair of shoes than you do, particularly if the shoes are Chinese made.

Before you start claiming success you should think, what will it take to raise the standard of living of all Chinese to the same as people in the US. It is only a lot of money because the average person has very little money. The average person in China Ex is a rural worker

hey, ex, I've been there, about 10% are riding that economic boom you think is so great, Hello again, clete:

I don't think it's so great. Where did you get that? But, it IS happening.

What will the Chinese have to do to reach our quality of life? Spend 20 years doing what they're doing.

excon

Hi,tomder55.

I think there're many free enterprises in China except some State-Owned Enterprises. China had its market economy, and it didn't planned it's economy all the time except some special time, such as during economic crisis.

And, USA has planned it's economy it the latest economic crisis.Therefore, I think the difference between Capitalist and socialism decreased...

I think the differences are smaller because, from what I have observed the Chinese, in general, are very hard workers and your culture values education. In the past 2-3 generations a lot of Americans have felt entitled to government handouts, don't want to work hard, and value entertainment more than education.


G&P

The real question in China is the military who are players in the economy

Hi,paraclete.

I don't think so. Military couldn't control it's economy, or they're all unbeatable men!

Of course, Chinese economy are always market economy more than it's planning, because it's out of their reach to control it's economy.

On the other hand, I don't think there're not low wages workers in USAor other developed countries. Compared to other developing countries which is capitalist, the avarage wages in Chinese workers was more.

Thanks!

Hi,paraclete.

I don't think so. Military couldn't control it's economy, or they're all unbeatable men!

Of course, Chinese economy are always market economy more than it's planning, because it's out of their reach to control it's economy.

On the other hand, I don't think there're not low wages workers in USAor other developed countries. Compared to other developing countries which is capitalist, the avarage wages in Chinese workers was more.

Thanks!
Hey there are exploiters everywhere, I don't doubt some Chinese workers have done well in comparison with others

I think the differences are smaller because, from what I have observed the Chinese, in general, are very hard workers and your culture values education. In the past 2-3 generations alot of Americans have felt entitled to government handouts, don't want to work hard, and value entertainment more than education.


G&P

Hi, inthebox!

I've been told that students in the school of computer science in MIT was working hard for their study by my elder student. He told me that he work harder than he was in China. To some extent, I think American students might work harder than Chinese students.:)

Thanks!

hey there are exploiters everywhere, I don't doubt some Chinese workers have done well in comparison with others

I agree with you when you say "there are exploiters everywhere", of course, either in capitalistic countries or socialist countries the exploiters are everywhere, but they are not military.

Thanks!

I hear there is no heating south of the Yangtze, is that right? So what is this heating problem?

I hear there is no heating south of the Yangtze, is that right? so what is this heating problem?

Hi again, paraclete. I'm sorry that I couldn't express my thought, and English is my second language. I mean, "There has been..." means my classmates have discussed the question in some enthusiastic ways. I really don't know how to tranlate that... I hope we could stop here, because I am agree with your opinions to some extent.

Thanks!

Hi again, paraclete. I'm sorry that I couldn't express my thought, and English is my second language. I mean, "There has been..." means my classmates have discussed the question in some enthusiastic ways. I really don't know how to tranlate that... I hope we could stop here, because I am agree with your opinions to some extent.

Thanks!

Just having a joke with you, Shi. I was well aware English was your second language from earlier discussions we have had, you see the combination of words used led me to it, "heating" and "system". The word you sought was "heated". But it is possible you were discussing heating. So you see this was friendly and as we say in English, a play on words, where there is more than one meaning to what is said, a literal meaning, you were discussing heating systems, and an another meaning where your discussion of systems (political) was spirited and even having very strong disagreement.

So as we say in English, no offense please as none was intended. Please pardon my strange sense of humour

Wow,paralete, I get the main idea that you posted.The reason I used the word "heating" was because of my English teacher, he told me that a "heating" might improve the scores of my English composition. However, I found it's not correct...

And I also remembered that you modified my fasle last time, I mean, I REALLY need someone to help me to formal my English. Only in this way can I improve my English...

Thanks a lot!

Wow,paralete, I get the main idea that you posted.The reason I used the word "heating" was because of my English teacher, he told me that a "heating" might improve the scores of my English composition. However, I found it's not correct...

And I also remembered that you modified my fasle last time, I mean, I REALLY need someone to help me to formal my English. Only in this way can I improve my English...

Thanks a lot!

Ne How Ma, Shi, I would be happy to help you and being part of this forum is a way you can improve your use of English. I'm not sure what was meant by a "heating", perhaps he meant that you needed a fire to be built under you, in other words, that you needed to use the language often. I know that some concepts do not translate easily from Chinese into English. When I was in China, I found that some words sounded the same to me, I couldn't pick the tone. Tone is not used in the same way in English and perhaps this leads to mistakes in translation

Ne How Ma, Shi, I would be happy to help you and being part of this forum is a way you can improve your use of English. I'm not sure what was meant by a "heating", perhaps he meant that you needed a fire to be built under you, in other words, that you needed to use the language often. I know that some concepts do not translate easily from Chinese into English. When I was in China, I found that some words sounded the same to me, I couldn't pick the tone. Tone is not used in the same way in English and perhaps this leads to mistakes in translation

paraclete, "Ne How Ma" should be written like "Ni Hao Ma":).
Wo hen hao,xie xie ni!
Tone is quite important in Chinese, and there're 4 tones in Chinese. And could you tell me how many times you've been China and what province was?

By the way, I hope you could call me like "shih" or "shihou" or "zhuge", because "shi" in Chinese could mean "shi"+"t".:) Now I GOT some sense of strange humor that I've learned from you.:D

paraclete, "Ne How Ma" should be written like "Ni Hao Ma":).
Wo hen hao,xie xie ni!
Tone is quite important in Chinese, and there're 4 tones in Chinese. And could you tell me how many times you've been China and what province was?

By the way, I hope you could call me like "shih" or "shihou" or "zhuge", because "shi" in Chinese could mean "shi"+"t".:) Now I GOT some sense of strange humor that I've learned from you.:D

Ni hao ma, Shih, pardon my accent:D In Oz we say no worries mate, I have been to China only once but the way I explain it is; I travelled a long way from Guangzhou to Zhengzhou by train and back again by local bus. I remember the snow well. So you see I have seen some of your big towns and some of your small ones and met some lovely people. Even saw a fellow wearing Holden racing colours. I'm a fan too! But you don't expect to find one in China

Ni hao ma, Shih, pardon my accent:D In Oz we say no worries mate, I have been to China only once but the way I explain it is; I travelled a long way from Guangzhou to Zhengzhou by train and back again by local bus. I remember the snow well. So you see I have seen some of your big towns and some of your small ones and met some lovely people. Even saw a fellow wearing Holden racing colours. I'm a fan too! but you don't expect to find one in China

paraclete, nice experience!

However, I think it's a pity that you haven't been to The Great Wall... It's a nice sight. By the way, would you mind telling me what your major is?

Thanks!

paraclete, nice experience!

However, I think it's a pity that you haven't been to The Great Wall...It's a nice sight. By the way, would you mind telling me what your major is?

Thanks!

Yes I would have liked to see the Great Wall also the Three Gorges Project but time didn't permit, maybe next time. What I see about China is there is a great need to teach proper usage of English since they have adopted it as a second language. I think Chinese learning of English is on a par of my learning Latin as a child. I get the general idea but the grammar is a problem, however you are doing well with grammar

My major? Not at term we hear often here, I have Fellowships in accounting and administration and a degree in computing and information systems. I am an alumnus of Charles Sturt University, but my experience in life is wide and varied from professional seaman before the mast to community radio, many years experience as an executive and also spent some time developing a vineyard and pioneering a farm. You see many things are possible in my country for a person who takes a little risk. In my country we say; I have learned much in the School of Hard Knocks

What about yourself?

Thank you for your appreciating!

I always admired some people who had various experience, however I also found it's hard for me to experience widely in China.

I was not a hard-working man in my senior middle school, you know, a degree is very important in China. Therefore, now I try my best to get into Tsinghua University which is the best University in China for my graduate studies.

Some faults that I made when I was young, now I should pay for it... By the way, my major is computer science.

And I saw a vedio about a boxing kangaroo who liked hitting others even his host 2 weeks ago.What a naughty boy he is! I thought he was from your country, but I was not sure.

Thanks!

Some faults that I made when I was young, now I should pay for it...By the way, my major is computer science.

And I saw a vedio about a boxing kangaroo who liked hitting others even his host 2 weeks ago.What a naughty boy he is! I thought he was from your country, but I was not sure.

Thanks!
I wish you well in your studies, a difficult major because things are changing all the time. Many of us don't realise it is better to study when we are young, not so many distractions

Yes Kangaroos are from Australia and it is their nature to fight by boxing with their forepaws. They are a dangerous animal because they rip with their powerful hind feet and large toe nails when cornered

Thank you for wish. I am agree with your opinion on the study of computer science, and we couldn't learn a lot advanced knowledge about that because some developed countries didn't share their experiece with us...

I thought kangaroos were so cute that I liked them so much, but I didn't realise they're dangerous. If I had some opportunities to greet them, I should be careful.

Thanks!

Thank you for wish. I am agree with your opinion on the study of computer science, and we couldn't learn a lot advanced knowledge about that because some developed countries didn't share their experiece with us...

I thought kangaroos were so cute that I liked them so much, but I didn't realise they're dangerous. If I had some opportunities to greet them, I should be careful.

Thanks!

Yes a kangaroo can be quite dangerous if angered, their favourite trick when chased by dogs is to jump in a pond and drown the dog. Here you can see clearly why they are dangerous
Kangaroo Attack - YourDailyMedia.com (http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1144497860/Kangaroo_Attac)

Thanks, paraclete! I get it.

Wish you happy and be careful of the kangaroo! Haha.

Thanks!

Thanks, paraclete! I get it.

Wish you happy and be careful of the kangaroo! Haha.

Thanks!

Yes I'll watch out for the drop bears too!
http://www.cfr.com.au/dropbears/index.html