Hello:

Love her or hate her, she's a force to be reckoned with. Did you buy her book?

I think she could be president in 2012. Palin/Cheney. What a ticket? (Which Cheney do you think I'm talking about?)

excon

I don't want her book, really, no interest to me, but I will say one thing for the woman, she has a lot of moxy and therefore interesting to a degree because you don't know what she will say or do next.

Tick

She's awesome! LOL!

Hey, she gave Oprah her highest ratings in 2 years (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/11/sarah-palin-oprah-ratings-.html)... since the Osmonds were on.

Hello again,

Don't misunderestimate her.

excon

I intend to buy her book . And I watch in amusement as the lapdog media do their best to try to discredit her.
They are playing their role well.
As they try to diminish Palin they accomplish exactly the opposite. Their ploy is self defeating. She gets stronger with every gratuitous attack.

And I watch in amusement as the lapdog media do their best to try to discredit her. yes, even McCain and the people who worked on the Republican campaign are descrediting her - it's a bi-partisan effort! :D

Mark my words, she will do more damage to the conservatives than, well, actually I can't think of anything to compare her to.

Palin almost pulled McCain over the finish line. McCain's handlers are acting like the losers they are. They don't want to hear the truth about their marshmallow effort.

Mark my words, she will do more damage to the conservatives than, well, actually I can't think of anything to compare her to.Hello again, NK:

Minor correction. She'll do more damage to the Republican party than she will to conservatives.. The tea baggers love her.

excon

Palin and Michele Bachmann will make a nice duet.

Hello again,

Don't misunderestimate her.

excon

Oh, you are funny ! Don't misunderestimate her. That would be a stretch of the imagination. She didn't even know where Ontario was !

Were you saying that 'tongue in cheek' ?
Tick

Tick ;and President ObaMao thought there were 57 States in the US .

I believe Excon was being quite serious. I hope people do misunderestimate her. And I hope the deranged attack on her by the lame stream media continues . She draws strength from that.

Already ;before the book was officially released ,it was the highest selling non-fiction book of the year. A secnd printing is already underway.

Back to Excon's comments. There are a lot of Republican congressional and state candidates that are going to owe big IOUs to her after the 2010 election. She may or may not be a candidate for the Presidency in 2012 .But if not she will have tremendous influence on who will be candidate ,and what platform the national ticket adopts. Excon knows it . The liberal bloggers like Huffpo and the Kossaks know it . The pundits on liberal cable shows know it ,the dinosaur media elites know it . AND most important ;the Rockefeller RINO wing of the Republican party knows it... and it scares the hell out of them.

Hi, tom, well she certainly made a splash, I will say that. She knows where to place her feet and the thing is, she is stronger now knowing who her detractors are. I know, you know more about this then I do, it s okay. I just find the whole thing amusing and am following the show and how it plays out in the media,

Tick

Did you see the tabloid like cover picture Newsweek used in their attack expose issue of her ? She is dressed in joggers gym shorts .They lifted it off a sport runners magazine Runner's World evidently without permission. It was completely appropriate for the magazine that she posed for. But ,it was low class journalism for a supposedly serious News Magazine to use it without her permission ;and something they would never dare to do to any other public servant .It was a cheap trick . The kind of cheap tricks she has been exposed to since she became a national figure.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2009/11/newsweek-palin-cover.jpg

Poor poor girl. I hope she doesn't quit because of it. I look forward to her eventual Playboy spread.

It was a cheap trick . But it's OK for you to do it, right?

before the book was officially released ,it was the highest selling non-fiction book of the year. A secnd printing is already underway.
And why is her book being bought?

She is pretty (her most hugest asset), has good body language and facial expressions, engages with her interviewer, and appears to care deeply about her children. Now, if only she would count to five before answering a question and think before she speaks, if she'd study up on world history and civics, she could be "the one" in 2012.

something they would never dare to do to any other public servant .
But she's not a public servant. She's allowed herself to be up for grabs.

But she's not a public servant. She's allowed herself to be up for grabs.
Good point - she quit her public servant job.

But it's ok for you to do it, right?

I didn't know tom was a "supposedly serious News Magazine" like Newsweek.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

-Napoleon Bonaparte

If you guys on the left want to think of Palin as an airhead, while at the same time bowing at the alter of Nancy Pelosi, go ahead. Knock yourselves out.

If you think that most Americans are going to follow you along that path, feel free to lead the way.

Excon's right: love her or hate her, she's a force to be reckoned with. Dismiss her as a "lightweight" at your own peril.

Do I think she's ready for the Presidency? No, I don't. But I think she'd be perfect for the Veep spot.

Elliot

Wondergirl you are beginning to sound like Maureen Dowd .
A bit of Palin envy ?

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A bit of Palin envy ? Wow, just because she's a woman? Grow up and give Wondergirl more credit than that.

I didn't know tom was a "supposedly serious News Magazine" like Newsweek.If he doesn't like then don't buy the magazine. But don't come here trying to tell them not to do what he does.

It's almost as if he wants censorship to protect his side only. Can't the people decide what's appropriate or not? I'll leave you back to your love of tom. :)

I don't want any censorship . But I'm pretty sure that they violated the contract agreement between the photographer (or whoever gave them the photo) and the magazine.

As usual you are inflating a minor point to deflect and in the process bringing little substance to the discussion .

Now, if only she would count to five before answering a question and think before she speaks, if she'd study up on world history and civics, she could be "the one" in 2012.
Until you read the book you won't know if there is any substantial policy discussion in it .Will you ?

Wondergirl you are beginning to sound like Maureen Dowd .
A bit of Palin envy ?
What did I say to make you think that? She is a very pretty woman, her biggest asset -- easy on the eyes with an engaging, honest smile. Nothing wrong with that. It's what's under her hair inside her head that concerns me. Heck, I'd vote for her for president if she had her political act together.

Until you read the book you won't know if there is any substantial policy discussion in it .Will you ?
Um, we've had it for a while at the library -- advance copies not to be put out on the public shelf until the release date.

Assuming you've read it then are you saying there is no substantial policy positions articulated in the book ? I've heard differently .

Assuming you've read it then are you saying there is no substantial policy positions articulated in the book ? I've heard differently .
What is a "substantial policy position"?

It's what's under her hair inside her head that concerns me. Heck, I'd vote for her for president if she had her political act together.

How patronizing. Heck, I'd vote for Barack if there was anything inside his head that made sense, not to mention getting his political act together. Wow.

How patronizing. Heck, I'd vote for Barack if there was anything inside his head that made sense, not to mention getting his political act together. Wow.No you wouldn't. But the majority of the voters obviously felt otherwise. You'll just have to keep posting your bitter threads for the next four years :)

Assuming you've read it then are you saying there is no substantial policy positions articulated in the book ? I've heard differently .
MY BOOK REPORT: To find out if there are policy discussions, you'll have to read the book yourself.

No, I won't be reading her book. If the Republican party wants to regain credibility, they won't give her the nomination. My dream ticket would be Ron Paul for president and Mitt Romney for vice president. I know Ron Paul is too far outside of the mainstream to get the nomination so I think the best realistic ticket would be Mitt Romney for president and Rudy Giuliani for vice president.

How patronizing. Heck, I'd vote for Barack if there was anything inside his head that made sense, not to mention getting his political act together. Wow.
I'm a registered Republican and sometimes have even voted that way...

You must know I voted for Barack because of his white teeth.

No you wouldn't. But the majority of the voters obviously felt otherwise. You'll just have to keep posting your bitter threads for the next four years :)

You so smart, NK: midterms next year; hear of 'em? And, how many years? Perhaps Bo may not even be on the Democrat ticket; you ever heard of that happening?

I'm a registered Republican and sometimes have even voted that way............



I believe you are a very compassionate human being; unfortunately, Obama was the recipient.

Perhaps Bo may not even be on the Democrat ticket
Bo must be getting some pretty special dog food if you think he might make the Dem ticket.

I believe you are a very compassionate human being; unfortunately, Obama was the recipient.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! You're a sweetheart! Give the man a chance. He has three years to go.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! You're a sweetheart! Give the man a chance. He has three years to go.

His term has three years; the evaluation of his performance begins in a scant two; I can hardly wait.

What is a "substantial policy position"?
I guess I'll assume you really don't know what that means.
To clarify ;when I say policy position it relates to Public policy as that would be the only thing relevant to this discussion.
To understand public policy I refer you to the Wiki definition
Public policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_policy)

Substantial in this case means well thought out and articulated ;as opposed to the claim that she has nothing upstairs and can't count past 5 . That is a baseless gratuititous attack of the type Maureen Dowd might make. Dowd by the way is an elitist diva who has position in the NY Slimes as a commentator . She thinks Sarah Palin is a provincial Yahoo who could not possibly be qualified to run the country because she did not go to the right ivy league schools and has not been a Washington beltway insider. Much of the media hold similar positions because to hold contrary positions threatens their place at the cocktail circuit.

Sarah Palin is a provincial yahoo wo could not possibly be qualified to run the country because she did not go to the right ivy league schools and has not been a Washington beltway insider
I don't read Maureen or listen to her. I don't care where Palin went to school. I wonder what she learned wherever she went. (Clue me in -- where did she go?)

Substantial in this case means well thought out and articulated ;as opposed to the claim that she has nothing upstairs and can't count past 5 . That is a baseless gratuititous attack of the type Maureen Dowd might make. Dowd btw is an elitist diva who has position in the NY Slimes as a commentator .Hello tom:

Here's the problem she's got. You even acknowledged it, if inadvertently so. Sarah Palin needs to have well thought out and articulated positions, but not TOO MUCH so, or she'll be an elitist...

That's a hell of a box to be in, dang it.

excon

No you wouldn't. But the majority of the voters obviously felt otherwise.

Yeah, but the buyer's remorse keeps growing, too.

Obama's Job Approval Rating Falls Below 50% in Quinnipiac Poll
(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auhyY3ttpnA4)

Dems alarmed as independents bolt (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29646.html)

Here's hoping Palin gets picked as your party leader. Cheers!

Here's hoping Palin gets picked as your party leader. Cheers!
Yeah, I agree. They would really enjoy her leading them into wherever she would lead them. Singin' and swingin' and shoutin' -- you betcha!

(Clue me in -- where did she go?)

She had to work to go to school so she went to a few of them. She eventually graduated from the University of Idaho..

http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/palin-on-oprah-111709/1176856/

She had to work to go to school so she went to a few of them. She eventually graduated from the University of Idaho ..
Okay. I did some research. Sarah Palin applied to?/attended six different colleges:
1. University of Hawaii-Hilo, either transferred out or declined to register (the school has no record Palin ever enrolled);
2. Hawaii Pacific University, Honolulu (an aunt lived nearby), enrolled in the business administration program, finished freshman year, transferred out;
3. North Idaho College, Coeur d'Alene, attended for one year, 1983-1984;
4. University of Idaho, Moscow, transferred here for journalism and political science, brother Chuck was also a student here, stayed one year;
5. Matanuska-Susitna Community College, Palmer, Alaska, near Palin's hometown of Wasilla to be near future husband Todd Palin, one semester;
6. University of Idaho, three more semesters, graduated in spring 1987 with a journalism degree.

And yes, Joe Biden graduated 506 out of 688 from his class and McCain finished nearly dead last in his (894 out of 899).

Okay. I did some research. Sarah Palin attended six different colleges before she finally graduated with a degree in Communications/Journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987. And yes, Joe Biden graduated 506 out of 688 from his class and McCain finished nearly dead last in his.

And all pretty much irrelevant . We have had Ivy Leaguers since 1988 and that certainly has been no indication of how they perform as POTUS .

and all pretty much irrelevent .
Funny how you trot out the "irrelevant" words when it suits you. ")

As in the irrelevant observation you just made.

as in the irrelevent observation you just made.
See? Thanks for proving the point.

Angry crowd shouts at Sarah Palin at her book signing in Noblesville, Indiana on November 19, 2009 after Palin quits and refuses to sign books for around 300 families that spent about 3+ hours getting wristband and another 3+ hours waiting in line to get the Palin book signed. At Borders bookstore it was announced that 1,000 individuals would be given wristbands and could get two books signed each. By the time Sarah Palin quit, there were still about 300 individuals and there families who did not get even one book signed.

More quitting you can believe in!

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She had to work to go to school so she went to a few of them.
Work had nothing to do with her choices. Hilo turned out to be too rainy instead of a sunny paradise, so forget that one. Honolulu -- an aunt lived nearby. North Idaho College -- she returned to her birth state. Moscow, Idaho -- brother was a student there. Palmer, Alaska -- to be near boyfriend Todd. Moscow again -- no idea why.

Angry crowd shouts at Sarah Palin at her book signing in Noblesville, Indiana on November 19, 2009 after Palin quits and refuses to sign books for around 300 families that spent about 3+ hours getting wristband and another 3+ hours waiting in line to get the Palin book signed.
Apparently, she and Trig were tired and her hand was cramping. Well, if you're #1 on Amazon and have telephoned ahead to find out how many wristbands were handed out, you could have foreseen and forestalled this. Some authors now pre-sign bookplates at home at their convenience, and then press them into the books as they chat with each customer. (and I wouldn't have brought Trig with me... )

Apparently, she and Trig were tired and her hand was cramping. Well, if you're #1 on Amazon and have telephoned ahead to find out how many wristbands were handed out, you could have foreseen and forestalled this. Some authors now pre-sign bookplates at home at their convenience, and then press them into the books as they chat with each customer. (and I wouldn't have brought Trig with me....)

Wondergirl on Wonderwoman - refreshing

Where to put this, Palin thread, war on terror (overseas contingencies operations for you libs), KSM trial thread? Palin it is... her book tour is "dangerous" according to Obama's permanent campaign organization (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/68837-obama-group-attacks-palin-to-fundraise).

Jim Treacher nailed it (http://twitter.com/JTlol/status/5940991698):


If you think it's cowardly not to want KSM to be tried in a civilian court in NYC, & you think Sarah Palin is dangerous, #youmightbealiberal (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23youmightbealiberal)

Who thinks she's dangerous?? LOL!

Hello Steve:

If you have some legal argument to use why we shouldn't try him here, lay it on us... But, to say that we'll all be killed if we do, is nothing but cowardly... How else would YOU describe it?

You don't deny, do you, that the wingers in congress DO say this? Do I have to produce a video of Texas Congressman Corker? I will.

But, I don't think Sarah Barracuda is dangerous, so I must not be a lib.

excon

Interview with Palin fans lined up for book signing:

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Who thinks she's dangerous????? LOL!

What, you can't read? President Obama's political operation, Organizing for America does.

No, I won't be reading her book. If the Republican party wants to regain credibility, they won't give her the nomination. My dream ticket would be Ron Paul for president and Mitt Romney for vice president. I know Ron Paul is too far outside of the mainstream to get the nomination so I think the best realistic ticket would be Mitt Romney for president and Rudy Giuliani for vice president.

You want the Republican party to regain its reputation by giving the nomination to RON PAUL? And yet you think that Sara Palin is too far outside the norm?

What are smoking and have you got any extra?

But, to say that we'll all be killed if we do, is nothing but cowardly... How else would YOU describe it?

You don't deny, do you, that the wingers in congress DO say this? Do I have to produce a video of Texas Congressman Corker? I will.

I'd love to see the video from a Texas congressman Corker.

I'd love to see the video from a Texas congressman Corker.Hello again, Steve:

Ok, his name ain't Corker... I sure thought it was... Wait a minute... it was Gohmert. Scuse me.

I looked for the video on YouTube. It ain't there... But he said stuff like , the prosecutors daughter might be kidnapped, or the mayors family will be in danger - stuff like that... You'll have to take my word for it - but you won't - or you might if you know Ghomert.

excon

Interview with Palin fans lined up for book signing:

MSNBC crack reporter Norah O’Donnell takes apart 17-yr-old Palin supporter.

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I looked for the video on youtube. It ain't there... But he said stuff like , the prosecutors daughter might be kidnapped, or the mayors family will be in danger - stuff like that.... You'll have to take my word for it - but you won't.

Ex, I'd love to take your word for it but "stuff like that" isn't exactly convincing.

My copy of the book is due in from Amazon this week . Cool ;I didn't think I ordered it in time to get a 1st edition printing .

MSNBC crack reporter Norah O’Donnell takes apart 17-yr-old Palin supporter.

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That must have been a feather in her cap, terrorizing a young girl for her beliefs.

Tick

Well done, 17 is old enough to know about politics and if they have stupid opinions, they should be ridiculed for them.

Well done, 17 is old enough to know about politics and if they have stupid opinions, they should be ridiculed for them.

You've got to be kidding. 'Crack' journalist with prepared notes in hand ambushes a 17-yr-old waiting to have a book signed and the girl should be ridiculed? The young lady is likely to have the last laugh (http://redwhiteandconservative.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-day-i-met-sarah-palin-and-the-liberal-media/) on this idiot from MSNBC.

Well done, 17 is old enough to know about politics and if they have stupid opinions, they should be ridiculed for them.

I don't think you meant that the way you put it. Were you being facetious ? Were you in favour of the young girl.

Tick

a) she's buying the book so she's obviously interested in the policies of Palin
b) she's wearing a t-shirt with a message about a political issue and the interviewer asked her about it, who cares if she's 17.

a) she's buying the book so she's obviously interested in the policies of Palin
b) she's wearing a t-shirt with a message about a political issue and the interviewer asked her about it, who cares if she's 17.

She'll have the last laugh, O'Donnell's credibility is now less than zero.

She'll have the last laugh, O'Donnell's credibility is now less than zero.
I'm pretty sure a 17 year old couldn't care less about the interviewer.

I like interviews; I'll bet these two couldn't care less about the interviewer, either.
YouTube - Obama Money - Where Did it Come From? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q)

I'm pretty sure a 17 year old couldn't care less about the interviewer.

Not surprisingly you miss the point... and apparently missed her blog. This young woman was introduced rudely to the liberal media - she won't forget it and O'Donnell is the one who came out looking like the fool in the public's eye.

She got asked about the message on the shirt she was wearing - what part of that are you missing?

Sorry, I don't want to mess with your messiah Palin.

Not surprisingly you miss the point.. This young woman was introduced rudely to the liberal media - she won't forget it and O'Donnell is the one who came out looking like the fool in the public's eye.Hello again, Steve:

I miss the point too... I saw the interview. I think the 17 year old handled herself rather well. No, she didn't know EVERYTHING. But, she knew a hell of a lot more than MOST 17 year olds. WHEN she remembers this incident, she'll remember that she stood her own ground against that RUDE liberal media.

Besides, I don't think it was rude or ANY of the stuff you think it was. O'Donnell simply corrected the girl. She did it politely, and because she was PREPARED for the response she got (and WHO wouldn't be?), you don't like her...

But, I like her.. I think she's a babe.

On to Sarah Barracuda. She could have used the time off to brush up on some world affairs. She AIN'T stupid, after all... But, she didn't. Why not?

excon

I got my copy of the book yesterday . Just began reading. As I suspected there is a section of the book that outlines her beliefs on policy issues . I think I'll begin there . The biographical stuff I pretty much know anyway.

Good luck with your nominee!

This is the only excerpt from the book I've seen:


“The apartment was small, with slanting floors and irregular heat and a buzzer downstairs that didn’t work, so that visitors had to call ahead from a pay phone at the corner gas station, where a black Doberman the size of a wolf paced through the night in vigilant patrol, its jaws clamped around an empty beer bottle.”

It's too presumptious to assume she is even running. A book signing tour and being an advocate for positions and candidates is a good first step. But until I see her setting up the state by state organization necessary to running a national campaign I will not have proof she is throwing her hat in the ring.
Last year Fred Thompson had the best positions of any Republican candidate . But he was unwilling to do what was necessary to be a serious contender. It remains to be seen what course Palin will take.

This is the only excerpt from the book I've seen:


Quote:
“The apartment was small, with slanting floors and irregular heat and a buzzer downstairs that didn't work, so that visitors had to call ahead from a pay phone at the corner gas station, where a black Doberman the size of a wolf paced through the night in vigilant patrol, its jaws clamped around an empty beer bottle.”

Count on the lamestream media to cherry pick the most substantive quote!!

Count on the lamestream media to cherry pick the most substantive quote !!!Funny, that's the exact expression that Limbaugh used. Rush calls Palin memoir "one of the most substantive policy books I've read" | Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911130014)

It may well be . I'll get back to you on that.

She had a book signing at Fort Bragg on Monday (as reported in our Toronto Star today) that went rather well. She looks amazing. They agreed to let her on post because she was no longer a politician. She seems to have the wherewithall to tour and have a special bus. I wasn't aware she was that well off, but maybe so.

Tick

I wasnt aware she was that well offLarge advance on the book. :)

She had a book signing at Fort Bragg on Monday (as reported in our Toronto Star today) that went rather well. She looks amazing. They agreed to let her on post because she was no longer a politician. She seems to have the wherewithall to tour and have a special bus. I wasnt aware she was that well off, but maybe so.

tick

I'm sure she got a sizable advance on her book, which sold over 700,000 copies the first week. I don't know how book tours work but I'm guessing the publisher funds tours of this scope.

Hello again:

So, whaddya think she meant when she said:

Israeli settlements should be expanded on the West Bank because “more and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead.”?

Is it a religious reference?

excon

Hello again:

So, whaddya think she meant when she said:

Israeli settlements should be expanded on the West Bank because “more and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead.”?

Is it a religious reference?

excon

Maybe she knows more then we think she does; a hotline to god maybe ? Who knows what she really does in the wilderness beside shoot moose. Now that opens up a whole new train of thought...

Tick

maybe she knows more then we think she does; a hotline to god maybe ? Who knows what she really does in the wilderness beside shoot moose. Now that opens up a whole new train of thought.........

tick

Maybe she understands Bible prophecy.

Could it be that on those hunting trips she also (HORRORS!) prays?

Seems to me that if you are middle class, Christian American, you would understand Sarah Palin.

Seems to me that if you are middle class, Christian American, you would understand Sarah Palin.From what I saw at those book signing interviews I'm frightened by the people who "understand" Sarah Palin - she represents the dumbing down of America.

On a related note, she got tricked again by a comedian. This time in wonderful Canada where she says that canadians should get rid of their public health care.

YouTube - Palin Suggests Canada Should 'Reform' Health System To 'Let The Private Sector Take Over' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8w4DE2CwM)


When Palin left the signing, Walsh caught up with her in the parking lot, where Palin suggested that Canada should get rid of its public health care system. "Keep the faith" Palin said, "because common sense conservatism can be plugged in there in Canada too. In fact, Canada needs to reform its health care system and let the private sector take over some of what the government has absorbed

Walsh said, she found it equally bizarre that no one was allowed to ask Palin any questions at the book-signing.... "We're in a bookstore, at a public event, in a place one would think was a bastion of free speech. And no one was allowed to ask questions. What are they afraid of?"

Maybe she understands Bible prophecy.

Seems to me that if you are middle class, Christian American, you would understand Sarah Palin.Hello again, gal:

I'm all of the above, ceptin the Christian part, and I understand Sarah Palin pretty good. I also got the religious reference she was making.. But, I'm not threatened by her thinking that stuff. I'm happy for her. Don't bother me none...

Unless she somehow got into office. To make policy based on the Bible isn't something I'd support.

excon

Seems to me that if you are middle class, Christian American, you would understand Sarah Palin.

Guess, what, I am not middle class christian american. I am white collar anglican Canadian so I guess I don't understand Sarah Palin, and don't really think I need to:D

I just have to sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Tick

On a related note, she got tricked again by a comedian. This time in wonderful Canada where she says that canadians should get rid of their public health care.
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Yes, I caught that in the Toronto Star two days ago and waited for the comments in A22 Editorials. There was only one from a Canadian that said she was thankful for our healthcare because her breast cancer treatment occurred so quickly after visiting a walk in clinic where she went in a panic not being able to see her doctor.

Other then that, there were no comments.

Tick

Hello again, gal:


Unless she somehow got into office. To make policy based on the Bible isn't something I'd support.

excon

I doubt she would attempt to. If she did, there is still the House and Senate.

I'm sure though that you understand that there is such a thing as a Biblical world view that is not directly related to any religion. It simply understands human nature and wisdom distilled from thousands of years of experience as recorded in Bible history.

Hope that clarifies.

that there is such a thing as a Biblical world view that is not directly related to any religion. It simply understands human nature and wisdom distilled from thousands of years of experience as recorded in Bible history.Hello again, gal:

Human nature I can deal with. Predicting that Jews would flock to Israel so the tribulation gets started, I can't.

excon

Since this thread is specifically about Sarah Palin, I post this circulating information for everyone's consideration.

By Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan Fisherman. As posted in comments on
Greta's article referencing the MOVE ON ad about Sarah Palin.

The last 45 of my 66 years I've spent in a commercial fishing
Town in Alaska . I understand Alaska politics but never
Understood national politics well until this last year. Here's
The breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets
It. It's not about persona, style, rhetoric, it's about doing
Things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I'm
About to mention here.

1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats,
Because as soon as Palin took the Governor's office away from a
Fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into
The Republican's "Corrupt Bastards Club" (CBC) and sent them
Packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and
Wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping
Around the yard, throwing confetti and singing, "la la la la"
(well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this
Country that has ever done anything similar.

2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians
To protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So she
Constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil
Profits called "ACES." Exxon (the biggest corporation in the
World) protested and Sarah told them, "don't let the door hit
you in the stern on your way out." They stayed, and Alaska
Residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.
Of course, the other huge international oil companies meekly
Fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in
The country that has done anything similar.

3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governor's
Office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding
For projects, known as "pork." She went through the list, took
85% of them and placed them in the "when-hell-freezes-over"
Stack. She let locals know that if we need something built,
We'll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the
Money she got from selling the previous governor's jet because
It was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by
Dismissing the governor's cook (remarking that she could cook
For her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to
Her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her
State provided security force (never mentioning - I imagine -
That she's packing heat herself). I'm still waiting to hear the
Names of those other governors.

4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed "gosh and golly" mannerism, she
Also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a
Natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private
Construction project in the history of North America . No one else
Could do it although they tried. If that doesn't impress you, then
You're trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do
Things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other
Hand.

5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a
Place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why
They couldn't start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an
Investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started...
This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking
Them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged
And reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska
Won again.

6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources
For electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted
Her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already
At 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed
To style and persona. Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look
Cool. But that's just a cover-up. I'm still waiting to hear from
Liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has
Done in two and a half years. I won't be holding my breath.

By the way, she was content to return to AK after the national
Election and go to work, but the haters wouldn't let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear
Your face off. Should have known better.

You have just read the truth about Sarah Palin that sends the media,
Along with the democrat party, into a wild uncontrolled frenzy to
Discredit her. I guess they are only interested in skirt chasers,
Dishonesty, immoral people, liars, womanizers, murderers, and bitter
Ex-presidents' wives.

So "You go, Girl." I only wish the men in Washington had your guts,
Determination, honesty, and morals.

I rest my case.

Gal,
I do believe the liberuls really want your Sarah to run. Go girl!

Hey gal, do you also have respect for Glen Beck?

What galveson said is correct. She had wide support among the Democrats when she was taking on the corrupt Republican Murkowski establishment.
Dubbed by a reporter the 'Corrupt B@stard Club' (which so amused those involved they started wearing hats and tee shirts with that name on it) ;a FBI investigation led to the arrest of several state officers including Murkowski's Chief of Staff .
Alaska political corruption probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_political_corruption_probe#Corrupt_Bastards _Club#Corrupt_Bastards_Club)

Palin was elected in the middle of the probe and began the process of reforming Alaska politics.

Hello again,

Look, she's a sweetie... If only she KNEW important stuff. But, she doesn't...

That's OK, though. I'm not putting her down. I didn't know important stuff before I took the time to learn it. She could have took the time... She didn't.

It's true. Knowing stuff isn't high on the Republican list of wants. But, personally, I kind of value it.

excon

Sarah Palin on November 25, in Florida:

YouTube - Sarah Palin at The Villages (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sq-YMqxHMo)

Hello again, George:

I saw the video. They LOVE her, in small town America. That's why she's avoiding the big cities...

There's a Maryland State Senator on the Video named Nancy Jacobs. She tells it like it is when she says, Sarah Palin is ".. just your normal average person .."

I don't disagree. I just don't think your normal average person knows much about the world, and she doesn't. That's all I'm saying.

But in terms of her being a strong female role model, as a mom, and especially being the mother of Trig, I actually think she's pretty great. She just doesn't know stuff.

excon

I stayed one week at the Villages - you do realize that it's a retirement community right? That the same demographic as Fox News so its no surprise.

That the same demographic as Fox News so its no surprise.Hello again, NK:

It IS interesting, that in the beginning of the video, the local FOX noise dude, said that "the patriotic crowd waited for hours, then the bus pulled up.. "

I wonder what HIS politics are?? Hmmmm.

excon

Hello again, George:

I saw the video. They LOVE her, in small town America. That's why she's avoiding the big cities...

There's a Maryland State Senator on the Video named Nancy Jacobs. She tells it like it is when she says, Sarah Palin is ".. just your normal average person .."

I don't disagree. I just don't think your normal average person knows much about the world, and she doesn't. That's all I'm saying.

But in terms of her being a strong female role model, as a mom, and especially being the mother of Trig, I actually think she's pretty great. She just doesn't know stuff.

excon

So, please tell us how much Obama knew when he was elected? Better yet, tell us how much he knows NOW.

The President doesn't have to KNOW everything. He has lots of advisors to give him the facts he needs.

What the President MUST have is good judgment so that the information he receives can be put to the best use.

OK ALL.

Which of the accomplishments credited to Palin in the letter arn NOT true? Pretty impressive, dontcha' think?

Hmmm?

Hello again, George:

I saw the video. They LOVE her, in small town America. That's why she's avoiding the big cities...

excon

Those yocals out in the sticks - they buy a lot of books dude!

So, please tell us how much Obama knew when he was elected? Better yet, tell us how much he knows NOW.

The President doesn't have to KNOW everything. He has lots of advisors ...

What the President MUST have is good judgment ...

OK ALL.

Which of the accomplishments credited to Palin in the letter arn NOT true? Pretty impressive, dontcha' think?

Hmmm?

Poor USA: President Jokobama has no judgement and no advisors, except the Maoists and other far lefties.

Hello again, NK:

It IS interesting, that in the beginning of the video, the local FOX noise dude, said that "the patriotic crowd waited for hours, then the bus pulled up.. "

I wonder what HIS politics are?? Hmmmm.

Wait, I thought patriotism was not the domain of one party. In fact, I thought it was now the domain of Democrats, Sen. Conrad said if you disagree with trying KSM in NY then you can just leave the country. BY the way, CNN seemed to notice the patriotism of the crowd at The Villages last year (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/21/palins-florida-debut-draws-thousands/), it must not have been too hard to spot for a Fox reporter either.

Anyway, that's not what I'm interested in, this is:


Sarah Palin Stars as Heroine in New Children's Book (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/12/01/sarah-palin-stars-heroine-new-childrens-books/)

The former vice presidential candidate is the subject of new book ' Help! Mom! Radicals Are Ruining My Country!'

While Sarah Palin is certainly making waves with her own best-selling book “Going Rogue,” the former governor and vice presidential candidate is also in the spotlight with a cameo appearance as a heroine in the recently released children’s book “Help! Mom! Radicals Are Ruining My Country!”

In the book written by Katharine DeBrecht, “Governor Sarah” (a character based on Palin) attempts to help two young boys hold onto their dream of a swing-set business which is struggling as a result of high taxes, heavy regulations and 246 czars.

“I am trying to let all Americans know that these radicals are killing the American Dream and I want to stop them from hurting people that produce products and provide jobs,” the Palin character consoles the frustrated boys after their business is destroyed by “Marxus Obunduf” who is based on President Obama.

“I used Palin because I wanted to point out that there is nothing wrong with standing up for your values regardless of who attacks you,” DeBrecht told Foxnews.com. “The book also shows that “Marxus” and his radicals are basically killing the American Dream in their grab for power. I want to tell kids that they can achieve their dreams by working hard and not relying on the government to help them.”

Help! Mom! Radicals Are Ruining My Country!' I love it, LOL! Much neded balance for children's books such as Mama Voted for Obama! (http://littledemocrats.net/) and Barack (http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11274921.html), the story about "The man whose name the whole world knows."

Hello again,

Look, she's a sweetie... If only she KNEW important stuff. But, she doesn't...



excon

She knows when life begins, and that it is precious and valuable.
That question is not above her paygrade.


G&P

She knows when life begins, and that it is precious and valuable.
That question is not above her paygrade.


G&P

Okay, I understand your comment about when life begins, all women are given that knowledge, if they choose to acknowledge it and accept it. That is not unique to Palin.

What question is above her paygrade ?

Tick

The line about "above my pay grade " was given by candidate Obama when asked about the question of when human life begins.

The line about "above my pay grade " was given by candidate Obama when asked about the question of when human life begins.

Otherwise known as 'political' rope-a-dope: "In competitive situations other than boxing, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor." Rope-a-dope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope)

Also illustrated in his votes, "Present", while serving in the Illinois Senate. ""In the Illinois state Senate, Senator Obama voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe," Hillary Rodham Clinton said in a debate Monday." Fact Check: Obama's 'present' votes - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/24/fact_check_obamas_present_votes/)

Senator Obama voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe
In Illinois government saying "present" means "not yet," get back to work on this bill and clean it up or retool it or somehow fix it so it can be brought out into the light of day again. Saying "present" in Illinois has nothing to do with being wishy-washy.

Obama was the lone "present" vote on legislation allowing the victims of rape and other sex crimes to have their court records sealed. Would you say that was a vote worthy of firmer stuff than indecision ?

Even the NY Times described it as "effectively sidestepping the issue." I think anyone can understand voting "present" in Illinois at times, but not 130 times. That's called "political cover."

Apparently, none of Palin's detractors can find anything to criticize about her accomplishments.

So what does that leave them to honestly criticize?

Apparently, none of Palin's detractors can find anything to criticize about her accomplishments.

So what does that leave them to honestly criticize?

I like her too, galveston and she appears to have a good head on her shoulders but she really needs some geography lessons. If she ever plans on running, she will have to take some crash courses.

Tick

I like her too, galveston and she appears to have a good head on her shoulders but she really needs some geography lessons. If she ever plans on running, she will have to take some crash courses.

tick

Possibly true, but core values and judgment are far more important than being a walking world Atlas. We have maps for what we don't remember.

It's like the spelling, potato or potato. The latter was correct in an earlier day, and has nothing to do with anything, but one promising career was cut short because of such nit-picking.

I realize the left are accomplished nit-pickers when they can't find real substance to criticize.

she appears to have a good head on her shoulders
Yes, it definitely is to her advantage to be pretty.

Pair her up as veep candidate with Cheney, and you've got yourself a rock-solid far-right conservative team.

Possibly true, but core values and judgment are far more important than being a walking world Atlas. We have maps for what we don't remember.Hello gal:

I agree with your sentiment... I'd take values over geography any day. But, if I had my druthers, I'd want my leader to have both. Truth is, running the world is a lot more complicated that knowing where all the countries are.

Look, Gal. I know you like her. But she knows NOTHING about the world. That's not a this. MOST people in this country don't know about the world. MOST governors in the country don't either. They don't have to. It may come as a shock to you, but I didn't always know everything about the world like I do now. It took a few years... ;)

But, if Sarah is going to compete for office on a national level, her competency in world affairs is going to be tested... Of course, if what she wants to do is make a whole bunch of cash, that's cool too. It IS the American way, after all.

With Huckabee out of the way, she has right field to herself. I'd LOVE for her to surprise me. No, I don't support her politics. But I absolutely support a regular mother reaching for the stars.

excon

Look, Gal. I know you like her. But she knows NOTHING about the world.
And you know this how ?

and you know this how ?Hello tom:

I guess you missed the Katie Couric interview. I didn't. I also don't buy that she was blindsided by Couric when Palin said she was told they were going to talk "girl talk"... Nobody who knows Katie Couric believes that. She's the CBS ANCHOR for crying out loud. She's going to interview the VP candidate and she's going to talk GIRL TALK?? Dude!

Nope. I saw it, and I BELIEVED it.

That doesn't mean that she can't LEARN. I haven't seen any evidence that she's tried, though. Didn't she say something about Jews flocking to Israel in response to a policy question?? I think she did?? What Middle East phenomenon does she know about that I don't?

Again, I saw the Couric interview, and I BELIEVED it.

excon

PS> Uhhh, she also did a Charley Gibson interview that didn't turn out so swell.

and you know this how ?

Because she didn't know where ONTARIO WAS... IN CANADA... which isn't far from Alaska. I can't quote the exactly time that came up but that is what I heard in on of her debates.

tickle she negotiated a transAlaska-Canada natural gas pipeline before she left office. I think she has a solid understanding of your country.

Ex. Couric cherry picked and heavily edited from 3 days of interviews for the show . Considering that a faltering Couric ,who's show was tanking , used this interview to salvage it ;this was disgusting treatment .
Specifically her whole foreign policy position was distorted by CBS... the network that brought you Rathergate .
CBS News Erases Moderate Quotes from Palin Transcript - IRIS Blog (http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2887-CBS-News-Erases-Moderate-Quotes-from-Palin-Transcript.html)

Couric cherry picked and heavily edited from 3 days of interviews for the show .Hello again, tom:

I read the parts that were edited out... They showed no great, in depth, international intellect. Sorry.

But, I'm willing to be wrong. I hope she brushed up on some stuff. We ARE going to find out, aren't we? Let's talk after she actually does an interview with someone other than her admirers at FOX.

If she knows SOMETHING, we WILL find out. If she knows NOTHING, we'll find that out too. It ain't something she can hide.

excon

her whole foreign policy position
She had a foreign policy position?

Did you finish reading her book yet?

What is it with you liberals? A cute woman with plenty of smarts and enjoys family life and loves her country. And compare her to President Dither? Let's go.

What is it with you liberals? A cute woman with plenty of smarts and enjoys family life and loves her country. And compare her to President Dither? Let's go.
Hey! I'm Republican and didn't compare her to President Obama. What did she do that was smart? (I think I missed that part.)

tickle she negotiated a transAlaska-Canada natural gas pipeline before she left office. I think she has a solid understanding of your country.

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She didn't 'negotiate' anything, tomder, it hasn't got approval from our Federal government to allow Alaska to take the pipeline to your midwest. I don't know why you equate that with 'having a solid understanding of our country'.

Tick

What is it with you liberals? A cute woman with plenty of smarts and enjoys family life and loves her country. And compare her to President Dither? Let's go.

Why is it that Americans, like no other nation I have come across, need to remind themselves and everybody else how much they love their country? How Patriotic they are? Patriotic.. The only time I hear that word is out of an Americans mouth..

What's the story??

Is it that American's love there country more than the Dutch, French or Swiss love there's? Or is it that you need to categorise people into those who love and those who don't?

Its almost like you all feel so insecure about it that you have to remind each other at every chance.

Some of you actually believe that those on the other side of the spectrum don't love their country don't you? You actually think that Sarah Palin loves her Country more than Obama does?

Did you finish reading her book yet?

About half way through. I have been busy with other projects that have cut into my reading time.

tickle ,the gas pipeline project is going to be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. Real infrastructure work unlike Obama's removing and resurfacing black top roads.

Why is it that Americans, like no other nation i have come across, need to remind themselves and everybody else how much they love their country? How Patriotic they are? Patriotic.. The only time i hear that word is out of an Americans mouth..

Whats the story???

I've always wondered why others don't express their patriotism? I mean voluntarily, not like coming out to fête dear leader.

Why is it that Americans, like no other nation i have come across, need to remind themselves and everybody else how much they love their country? How Patriotic they are? Patriotic.. The only time i hear that word is out of an Americans mouth..

Whats the story???


Its almost like you all feel so insecure about it that you have to remind each other at every chance.

Some of you actually believe that those on the other side of the spectrum don't love their country don't you?? You actually think that Sarah Palin loves her Country more than Obama does??

You have hit upon something very important, so let me spell it out for you: l I b e r t y, personal freedom, independence...
Obama and other progressives don't give a dam for it; in fact, they want to usurp all personal freedoms and liberties in favor of the almighty, unquestionable, reverent state. Perhaps the USA is the only place that amount of personal liberty has ever existed, and it is being taken away, almost without notice or review in the mainstream media or academia. So, it is not patriotism, my friend; it is liberty. You can take it, or leave it; doesn't matter to me. Evidently, Sarah Palin is tapping into that aspect of American life.

You have hit upon something very important, so let me spell it out for you: l i b e r t y, personal freedom, independence... Obama and other progressives dont give a dam for it; in fact, they want to usurp all personal freedoms and liberties in favor of the almighty,Hello again, George:

I'm glad you brought that up... You talk about liberty and freedom as though you understand it. But, you don't.

You supported the dufus when he took away YOUR freedom to have your emails and telephone calls remain private. That's the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution you didn't mind getting trashed. You supported the dufus when he took away YOUR habeas corpus rights, which is what the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution is all about. You certainly don't mind overthrowing the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution that speaks about cruel and unusual punishment...

Although, I don't believe we've spoken about it, I suggest you don't support GAY people in having the same "freedoms" you have, thereby trashing the Ninth Amendment. I'd also be willing to bet that you think the government should organize prayer in its institutions, and that kills the First Amendment...

So, all in all, George, you don't support liberty at all. You ain't even close.

excon

I think Tiger wishes his texts and telephone calls were private ;)
W did not take any of the rights you mentioned away from me, but this POTUS wants to give non-citizens that don't follow and are not signers to the Geneva convention, rights that belong to the US citizen.

And it is not W, but the population and the politicians that are against gay marriage. What, 0 for 31, with the latest defeat in NY, a blue state? That record makes the NJ Nets look good.


G&P

W did not take any of the rights you mentioned away from me, but this POTUS wants to give non-citizens that don't follow and are not signers to the Geneva convention, rights that belong to the US citizen.?

And it is not W, but the population and the politicians that are against gay marriage. Hello again, in:

Let's take them one at a time.

YOUR right to due process of law is what the Fifth Amendment is about. The cornerstone of that amendment is habeas corpus... That is the right of ANY prisoner to challenge his detention...

Then the dufus comes along and says HE, and HE alone can designate somebody to BE an enemy combatant, and ENEMY COMBATANTS don't have ANY habeas corpus rights. In other words, they don't have a right to challenge their imprisonment...

I'm sure all that makes you warm and fuzzy, until you realize that the dufus could designate YOU to be an enemy combatant, meaning that YOU, an American citizen (who theoretically HAS habeas corpus rights), wouldn't be able to challenge YOUR detention...

The above paragraph is indisputable.

Now, of course, you're going to say, well MY government wouldn't do that to ME... But, if our founders believed that, they wouldn't have been SO intent on making SURE the government wouldn't do that to its people, and that's why they wrote those amendments like they did.

Next.

You, as an individual sovereign citizen of this great nation of ours, enjoy every single right the Constitution says you do. But, you don't have them because they're popular - they're not. You don't have them because a majority of the citizens say you do. You don't have them because the politicians like or dislike them...

You have them because you are a citizen. Therefore, if EVERY politician said that YOU shouldn't have your First Amendment rights, they would be WRONG. If EVERY male citizen said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote, they would be wrong. If EVERY citizen said black people shouldn't be allowed to eat in the same dining room as whites, they'd be wrong.

If you have the right to marry, then so does EVERYBODY else, no matter HOW unpopular the cause, and no matter HOW many politicians don't like it. You do know, that NONE of the hard earned rights, that we have belatedly bestowed upon certain groups of people were NOT popular ideas when those movements began...

I'm going to stop now. That's a lot for you to digest.

excon

If you have the right to marry, then so does EVERYBODY else

And so everyone does . Marriage is defined as between man and woman in the books and In is right ;when We the People have voted on the issue it has been a slam dunk to respect the definition of marriage.

But if you read Palin's book ,she is no where's near the cultural warrior she is falsely portrayed as.

Hello again, in:

Let's take them one at a time.

YOUR right to due process of law is what the Fifth Amendment is about. The cornerstone of that amendment is habeas corpus... That is the right of ANY prisoner to challenge his detention....

Then the dufus comes along and says HE, and HE alone can designate somebody to BE an enemy combatant, and ENEMY COMBATANTS don't have ANY habeas corpus rights. In other words, they don't have a right to challenge their imprisonment...I'm sure all that makes you warm and fuzzy, until you realize that the dufus could designate YOU to be an enemy combatant, meaning that YOU, an American citizen (who theoretically HAS habeas corpus rights), wouldn't be able to challenge YOUR detention....

The above paragraph is indisputable.

Now, of course, you're going to say, well MY government wouldn't do that to ME... But, if our founders believed that, they wouldn't have been SO intent on making SURE the government wouldn't do that to its people, and that's why they wrote those amendments like they did.

Next.

You, as an individual sovereign citizen of this great nation of ours, enjoy every single right the Constitution says you do. But, you don't have them because they're popular - they're not. You don't have them because a majority of the citizens say you do. You don't have them because the politicians like or dislike them...

You have them because you are a citizen. Therefore, if EVERY politician said that YOU shouldn't have your First Amendment rights, they would be WRONG. If EVERY male citizen said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote, they would be wrong. If EVERY citizen said black people shouldn't be allowed to eat in the same dining room as whites, they'd be wrong.

If you have the right to marry, then so does EVERYBODY else, no matter HOW unpopular the cause, and no matter HOW many politicians don't like it. You do know, that NONE of the hard earned rights, that we have belatedly bestowed upon certain groups of people were NOT popular ideas when those movements began...

I'm gonna stop now. That's a lot for you to digest.

excon

BURP: :)

There is a lot of "ifs" and "theoretical" there. Then there is your definitive statement. Following that; IF Joe average can marry Jane, then it should be Joe's right to marry Julie and Ann and Fido the dog and some other guy and throw in some 12 year old - right? Who cares if it is popular or not, or if it is not legal; by golly the founder's of the constitution wanted me to be able to do these things because it is my right :p


G&P

BURP: :)

IF Joe average can marry Jane, then it should be Joe's right to marry Julie and Ann and Fido the dog and some other guy and throw in some 12 year old - right? Who cares if it is popular or not, or if it is not legal; Hello again, in:

You're excused...

Your argument went into stupid mode, but I'm used to that from you guys... I guess you're saying if you're granted the right to marry the same sex, that means you'll also have to right to marry a dog... Is that what you think??

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

I'm assuming that TODAY you have the RIGHT to make love to your wife... Ergo, you must have the right to make love to a rock, or your next door neighbor...

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

But, I expect nothing other than that from those people who don't understand the Constitution, and are afraid... I stand by my statement to George... You guys know NOTHING about freedom or liberty.

excon

until you realize that the dufus could designate YOU to be an enemy combatant, meaning that YOU, an American citizen (who theoretically HAS habeas corpus rights), wouldn't be able to challenge YOUR detention....Hello again, in:

Let me make sure I understand you... As remote as the possibility might be, IF the government DID arrest you and DID designate you to be an enemy combatant, you'd be OK WITHOUT your habeas corpus rights??

Sure you'd be... In a pigs eye! Like all good wingers, you talk a good story, but when the rubber meets the road your WALK don't match your TALK. If you were arrested, you'd be the FIRST one screaming for a lawyer, as well you should. When one of your family members gets involved with drugs, for example, all of a sudden you're not so tough on crime... I know how you guys operate.

So, you'll pardon me, if I don't believe you'd willingly give up ANY of YOUR rights, and you shouldn't. But, please don't diminish the damage the dufus did to the Constitution and freedom, by embracing the following refrain:

I didn't stand up for freedom, because they weren't coming for me... I didn't stand up for freedom when they came for my neighbor. When they finally came for me, there wasn't anybody left to stand up for me.

excon

PS> Your post is also an affront to the founding fathers who experienced FIRST hand what the government is capable of doing, and that's WHY they wrote what they did...

You seem incredulous at the mere suggestion that your government might violate your rights.. That's incredulous to me.

excon

Umm, what does all this have to do with Sarah Palin?

Has anyone other than me noticed that when the lefties have no answer for an argument they change the subject?

Hello gal:

It's MY thread, and I'll take where I want it to go. You're welcome to take me on, point for point. But, you'd rather talk about me.

Besides, the first time I don't have a cogent answer for anything, is the day you'll see pigs fly.

excon

Umm,, what does all this have to do with Sarah Palin?

Has anyone other than me noticed that when the lefties have no answer for an argument they change the subject?
You're righty friend George derailed it at post 114.

But, I expect nothing other than that from those people who don't understand the Constitution, and are afraid.... I stand by my statement to George... You guys know NOTHING about freedom or liberty.

By my calculations the gay community made a huge mistake in gunning for nothing less than redefining marriage, and in fact a few are beginning to recognize this. Regardless of what you see as a constitutional liberty, they're blowing it themselves with their in-your-face approach to both the politics and their public behavior (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-vanasco/why-adam-lambert-is-right_b_369274.html). And Lambert's stuff is clean as the pure driven snow compared to what goes on - in public - at the Folsom Street Fair and Up Your Alley in Sodom and Gomorrah (San Francisco).

In response to citizen complaints the perverts in SF asked for "public sex tents." (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/02/ED1Q1AT98G.DTL) You think the American people are pushing back now, just imagine if they saw for themselves what goes on in full public view at these gay sex fairs. Is that the kind of liberty you're referring to, or do the people of this country have a right to set a few community standards?

Hello again, Steve:

You mistake my support for gay marriage to include support for every dingbat faggot or every off the wall San Francisco politician.

Just because a guy is an a$$, DOESN'T mean he isn't entitled to enjoy the same rights YOU do.

excon

Palin's a birther - 'nuff said.

All she said was it was legitimate to ask questions about his birth certificate. Perhaps she thinks so because they used the birth of her son as a issue against her.

No doubt ;like you ,the Press will target her single observation taken out of context and use it for all it's worth.

All she said was it was legitimate to ask questions about his birth certificate.Hello tom:

No, tom. It's not legitimate at all - especially after those questions have been answered, and answered, and then answered again.

She's a birther, huh? Not surprising... How do you like her now, Steve?

excon

From her Facebook page today

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

- Sarah Palin

Hello tom:

Come on, tom. Admit it. You're a birther too.

excon

Not at all. Do I have to produce my submission during the campaign again ? I made a slam dunk case against the proposition.

BTW she has also chimed in on Climategate on Facebook :

The president's decision to attend the international climate conference in Copenhagen needs to be reconsidered in light of the unfolding Climategate scandal. The leaked e-mails involved in Climategate expose the unscientific behavior of leading climate scientists who deliberately destroyed records to block information requests, manipulated data to "hide the decline" in global temperatures, and conspired to silence the critics of man-made global warming. I support Senator James Inhofe's call for a full investigation into this scandal. Because it involves many of the same personalities and entities behind the Copenhagen conference, Climategate calls into question many of the proposals being pushed there, including anything that would lead to a cap and tax plan

Policy should be based on sound science, not snake oil. I took a stand against such snake oil science when I sued the federal government over its decision to list the polar bear as an endangered species despite the fact that the polar bear population has increased. I've never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state. But while we recognize the effects of changing water levels, erosion patterns, and glacial ice melt, we cannot primarily blame man's activities for the earth's cyclical weather changes. The drastic economic measures being pushed by dogmatic environmentalists won't change the weather, but will dramatically change our economy for the worse.

Policy decisions require real science and real solutions, not junk science and doomsday scare tactics pushed by an environmental priesthood that capitalizes on the public's worry and makes them feel that owning an SUV is a "sin" against the planet. In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to "restore science to its rightful place." Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in "restoring science to its rightful place."

All she said was it was legitimate to ask questions about his birth certificate. Hello tom:

Well, as it turns out, she said just a touch more than you alluded to. Here's what she ACTUALLY said.

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HUMPHRIES: Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

PALIN: Um, I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, because I think enough members of the electorate still want answers.

HUMPHRIES: Do you think it's a fair question to be looking at?

PALIN: I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations, past voting records, all of that is fair game.

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Yup. She's a birther.

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Actually here is the complete relevant transcript.



Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue 'cause I think there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.

Do you think it's a fair question to be looking at?

I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting record — all of that is fair game. You know, I've got to tell you, too: I think our campaign, the McCain/Palin campaign didn't do a good enough job in that area. We didn't call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were and perhaps what their future plans were. And I don't think that that was fair to voters to not have done our jobs as candidates and as a campaign to bring to light a lot of the things that now we're seeing made manifest in the administration.
I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama's past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right? Hey, you know, that's a great point, in that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn't my real son. And a lot of people say, “Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that he's your kid!” Which we have done. But yeah, so maybe we could reverse that and use the same [unintelligible]-type thinking on them.
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To tell you the truth .I'm more interested in his college records and perhaps reading some of his college era thesis papers.

I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be.
So what part of his past and his birth certificate contains questions that need to be answered?

Nothing ;but the nut jobs tried to make a case that her son Trig was actually the son of her daughter.

So what part of his past and his birth certificate contains questions that need to be answered?

What part of that quote says there are questions that need to be answered? The question is, is his past fair game or not, or does that only apply to the right?

I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right? Hello again, tom:

Seems to me, she's saying, that if the press unfairly screwed me, then it's OK if the press unfairly screws him.

That doesn't sound too presidential.. Sounds like an angry woman who wants to get EVEN.

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I have to ask Katie Couric and the rest of the dinosaur media if they think their inquiry into Palin's family was a "screwing " . Deep down I bet they do .

I have to ask Katie Couric and the rest of the dinosaur media if they think their inquiry into Palin's family was a "screwing " . Deep down I bet they do .Hello again, tom:

What THEY think isn't germane to the self serving and mean spirited attitude she exhibited in her statement...

SHE thinks they screwed her, so SHE thinks it's just fine that they screw Obama. Deflect it all you wish, but THAT is what's important here - not what the media thinks.

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Nothing mean spirited about it at all . That's the way the game is played.. right ? A Republican's children are fair game but Obama's daughters and before that Chelsea Clinton were out of bounds.

She points out the hypocrisy but she's the mean spirited one ?

Apparently Palin has no problems introducing her children as accessories during a campaign:
Sarah Palin on Abortion (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Abortion.htm)

Q: Do you think that we should talk about birth control with our teenage sons and daughters?A: Yes. Use me as the example of why you should, even more admittedly. My daughter, of course she is 18 years old, but has really been forced to grow up very quickly now and starting her own family and you know, life has changed so quickly for her. But if we can use this, and if my daughter Bristol can use her story as a kind of teaching tool for others, then so be it. Let us do that.

She points out the hypocricy but she's the mean spirited one ?Hello again, tom;

Nope, you're missing it once again...

To POINT OUT the hypocrisy WOULD be presidential... But, to INDULGE in it, and to wish it upon Obama and his family, is nothing BUT mean.

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To POINT OUT the hypocrisy WOULD be presidential... But, to INDULGE in it, and to wish it upon Obama and his family, is nothing BUT mean.

Where did she INDULGE in it? Where did she WISH on him the kind of relentless scrutiny she still faces?

Apparently Palin has no problems introducing her children as accessories during a campaign:
Sarah Palin on Abortion (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Abortion.htm)

Using her daughter's example as a LESSON for others is not using her as an accessory.

I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?
Where did she INDULGE in it? Where did she WISH on him the kind of relentless scrutiny she still faces?Hello again, Steve:

If you don't get the implications of her statement above, and it can't be more clear, then you're not going to get it no matter what I say.

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I think she's correct. Obama got a free pass by the press and now the whole 4th Estate wonders why he isn't the President they thought he'd be.

I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama's past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right? Hello again, Steve:

Ok, maybe I SHOULD spell it out for you guys, because you're NOT going to get it, even if the words are right in front of your face.

IF she said that nobody's kids should be fair game, THAT would be presidential... THAT would be showing leadership. That would be putting herself ABOVE the fray. THAT would have been GOOD.

But, she didn't say that... She said that whatever you did to me, you should also do to Obama... THAT, my friend, IS indulging in it, and it's MEAN as hell.

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But, she didn't say that... She said that whatever you did to me, you should also do to Obama... THAT, my friend, IS indulging in it, and it's MEAN as hell.

Tom, Steve, whoever :D

For a guy who likes to chastise us for reading stuff into things you sure like to do the same.