View Full Version : Imagine This Image at Times Square
tkrussell
Nov 14, 2009, 04:30 AM
I am so speechless, I do not know what to say...
NeedKarma
Nov 14, 2009, 05:38 AM
I don't understand your post.
tkrussell
Nov 14, 2009, 05:52 AM
Nk, you know something, neither do I.
My point was to share this image that some Chinese capitalists (ironically) created, and banned by their government officials to not embarrass the POTUS.
I believe your from Canada, so, what would your thoughts or emotions be if you saw an image of your leader in a Mao or Red Army uniform?
Hope you don't mind that I am a bit disturbed by the image.
NeedKarma
Nov 14, 2009, 06:42 AM
We'd have to know what the writing says. But I have an idea what underlying message you are trying to promote.
zippit
Nov 14, 2009, 07:16 AM
Just as disturbing will be when "TIME"
Magazine names Obama
"Man Of The Decade" in 2010
NeedKarma
Nov 14, 2009, 09:18 AM
Ah, I see now:
China bans 'Obamao' shirt, fearing offense to Obama | csmonitor.com (http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/11/13/china-bans-obamao-shirt-fearing-offense-to-obama/)
inthebox
Nov 14, 2009, 10:45 AM
What is so disturbing? Obama wants a statist solution to healthcare, to the automobile industry, to banking. He has apologized for the US and attended an anti-American church for years. Is it any surprise he would be compared to Mao? This is Ms Dunn's idol. Is the truth that disturbing ?
GP
NeedKarma
Nov 14, 2009, 11:56 AM
In the same way that the KKK endorses the republicans so that means the republicans are white supremacists. Is that truth disturbing?
paraclete
Nov 14, 2009, 02:42 PM
Speaks volumes for the insight of the Chinese and how it is important not to take yourself too seriously, I think there could be a niche for Obama as Che also
earl237
Nov 14, 2009, 05:05 PM
People who are offended by this loved the Bush photos with Hitler mustaches so they should stop their phony outrage.
NeedKarma
Nov 14, 2009, 06:36 PM
People who are offended by this loved the Bush photos with Hitler mustaches so they should stop their phony outrage.
Totally agree.
tomder55
Nov 15, 2009, 02:52 AM
It doesn't fit now that Mao devotee Anita Dunn has resigned form her posting as White House propagandist .
tomder55
Nov 15, 2009, 03:16 AM
Here's another Obama kool-aid drinker .
Castro as commentator on US politics - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_political_junkie)
tomder55
Nov 15, 2009, 04:15 AM
And here is Obama bowing to a Monarch again.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2009/11/hedoesitagain-thumb-410x256.jpg
When he prostrate himself before Abdullah we were told he was just reaching down to shake the hands of someone who was shorter then he is . What is the excuse this time ?
Is he apologizing for us again ?
NeedKarma
Nov 15, 2009, 04:49 AM
and here is Obama bowing to a Monarch again.
When he prostrate himself before Abdullah we were told he was just reaching down to shake the hands of someone who was shorter then he is . What is the excuse this time ?
Is he apologizing for us again ?Hhahahahahhahahahahha! You have absolutely no concept of being respectful of another culture's way. Get out of your basement apartment and see the world. This is how people act. I realize that you believe that showing respect in unamerican. Your Glen Beck show is starting soon I think.
tomder55
Nov 15, 2009, 05:04 AM
Sorry American Presidents do not bow to kings monarchs or tyrants. If you want your PM publicly grovelling to another foreign leader that is your business. I consider our President in every way the equal to any other national leader and should act as such.
NeedKarma
Nov 15, 2009, 05:15 AM
Since when? Where is that in the constitution? Since when is showing respect grovelling?
Seriously if more people when out and experienced the world such drivel wouldn't be posted.
excon
Nov 15, 2009, 06:16 AM
Hello tk:
I LOVE free speech. I HATE some of the things that are said.
I'm a Jew. Years ago, in the predominately Jewish town of Skokie, Illinois, the KKK wanted to demonstrate and carry some very ugly signs and pictures.
As hateful as they were, I supported their right to BE hateful and to tell people about it.
excon
tkrussell
Nov 15, 2009, 07:40 AM
I am not up on proper etiquette and protocol of leaders meeting and greeting. With so many customs and cultures to deal with, I am sure this can be an issue, what to do, what not to do. Seeing BO bowing to a Japanese emperor is not so disturbing, since that is their culture.
Seeing how some Chinese characterize our president as Mao is disturbing, and I wonder how accurate that is, judging from his apparent actions lately.
Yes Ex, free speech has been abused. My perception is that free speech was included by our founders so people could complain about their new government without fear of being punished, as was done by the England, and not to disparage others because of their race, creed, religion, etc.
We have the ACLU and others with similar views to thank for that. Anyone can do or say anything about anyone all under the "free speech" blanket. I wonder what their opinion of free speech would have been while Hitler was committing genocide on German and Polish Jews.
NeedKarma
Nov 15, 2009, 08:10 AM
I wonder what their opinion of free speech would have been while Hitler was committing genocide on German and Polish Jews.You lose! :)
Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)
Anyway back on the subject, you can't point to one image made by an individual and say the whole party is like that, c'mon!
Or else people would believe that this represents the republicans: Irregular Times: News Unfit for Print Blog Archive You say Bush, and I say Hitler… (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2005/03/14/bush-hitler-bush-hitler/)
excon
Nov 15, 2009, 08:25 AM
Seeing BO bowing to a Japanese emperor is not so disturbing, since that is their culture. Hello again, tk:
Let's be clear. We're not talking about those little nicety's we do. We're not talking about the difference between bowing or shaking hands, or how low he bowed. Nope - not at all. What we're talking about here, is the fact that we're talking to them AT ALL.
The right wing doesn't want talk. You've heard 'em. They call ANYTHING he does in the world apologizing. They want saber rattling. They want to let people know who's BOSS. They want to TELL people how to behave. They don't understand diplomacy and stuff. I don't know what happened to them.
excon
twinkiedooter
Nov 15, 2009, 08:43 PM
I think it's a Tee Shirt designed so the Americans will get used to our new leader - Mao Obama. He's so red it's ridiculous that some folks say he's black or tan. They've got it all wrong. He's red to the core as in Marxist red.
He did allow the Chinese flag to be flown over the White House. Just how wrong was that I ask? Very wrong. What other country's flag has been flown over the White House? I can't even remember ever hearing of another country's flag being flown over the White House.
He's cozying up to the kings and emperors and meglomaniacs of the world. Kissyasss is his favorite sport.
Presidents of the United States are NOT kings. George Washington was the guy who decided he didn't want to be King of America. He wanted to be President instead.
It is part of the American heritage and presidential protocol that the President of the United States not bow to any foreign king, queen, emperor or empress. Obammy is obviously a rube, hick, ill bred moron to do this bowing and scraping stuff.
It's just another reason NOT to have this guy as POTUS. I told you guys before he got into office that you had no idea just WHO this guy is/was. We still don't know just who is/was this person and probably won't know until he's long gone from office.
NeedKarma
Nov 16, 2009, 02:23 AM
He did allow the Chinese flag to be flown over the White House. Just how wrong was that I ask? Very wrong. What other country's flag has been flown over the White House? I can't even remember ever hearing of another country's flag being flown over the White House.That's false, even Fox News says so, LOL!
White House Debunks Reports It Will Fly China's Flag on South Lawn - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/04/white-house-debunks-reports-fly-chinas-flag-south-lawn/)
Don't forget this line:
Under those guidelines, the Chinese flag has flown on White House grounds before, in April of 2006, when President Hu Jintao visited then President George W. Bush.
tomder55
Nov 16, 2009, 04:17 AM
Since when? Where is that in the constitution? Since when is showing respect grovelling?
Seriously if more people when out and experienced the world such drivel wouldn't be posted.
By tradition Americans do not bow to monarchs. Period . It is not a sign of respect to do so . It is a signal of recognition of a monarch's authority over their subjects. We are subject to no monarch . Even Miss Manners says so.
Miss Manners' guide for the turn-of ... - Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=Ju1XvqoMookC&pg=PA697&lpg=PA697&dq=protocol+bowing+Americans+meeting+foreign+monar ch&source=bl&ots=5GygELF-FT&sig=51ybqyGmwHAzO8pil6S6ws0-ikI&hl=en&ei=G9LUSbSmJNbfnQe10eHzDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false)
Here is the proper way for an American leader to great a foreign leader .
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef012875a1ae37970c-800wi
excon
Nov 16, 2009, 04:36 AM
Hello tom:
I didn't see his light saber.
excon
paraclete
Nov 16, 2009, 05:25 AM
Hello again, tk:
Let's be clear. We're not talking about those little nicety's we do. We're not talking about the difference between bowing or shaking hands, or how low he bowed. Nope - not at all. What we're talking about here, is the fact that we're talking to them AT ALL.
The right wing doesn't want talk. You've heard 'em. They call ANYTHING he does in the world apologizing. They want saber rattling. They wanna let people know who's BOSS. They wanna TELL people how to behave. They don't understand diplomacy and stuff. I dunno what happened to them.
excon
Come on, ex, don't play dumb you know what happened to them, they got a little money and they came over all protective an such. Right wingers haven't heard of consensus, they think that position is power not responsibility. They have a hard time learning that lesson Jesus wanted to teach us, the leader is the servant, the first shall be last and if you want your rewards here you are not going to get them anywhere else.
NeedKarma
Nov 16, 2009, 05:31 AM
here is the proper way for an american leader to great a foreign leader .
26548
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tomder55
Nov 16, 2009, 05:38 AM
Non sequiter. That is equally inappropriate .
NeedKarma
Nov 16, 2009, 05:56 AM
non sequiter. It's "Non sequitur" and your use of that expression is incorrect. My example is *directly* related to what you posted. Apparently you want us to believe that you know more about international protocol than the ones who are actually powerful and famous and have advisers for such events. Your wish is that your leader continue to spread fear as you do here, only you get to sit at home behind your internet connection while the rest of us function in the real world.
tomder55
Nov 16, 2009, 06:29 AM
This isn't about international protocol .It's American tradition. Of course the Obots who advise the President are out to destroy American tradition .So it doesn't surprise me they advise him to lick boots and apologize .
Show me pix of your leader doing this .
speechlesstx
Nov 16, 2009, 07:35 AM
The Bush/Saudi kiss is so obviously photoshopped. On the (latest) bow from Jake Tapper (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/on-president-obamas-bow-to-the-japanese-emperor-an-academic-friend-writes-that-both-the-left-and-the-right-are-wrong.html):
An old friend -- an academic with expertise about the Japanese Empire, and in general a supporter of President Obama -- sends me the following note, relating to photographs of President Obama bowing to Emperor Akihito of Japan.
"This picture shows two things," my friend writes.
"1) The 'right' is wrong about Obama's bow.
"2) The 'left' is wrong about Obama's bow.
"His bow is neither (1) unprecedented nor (2) a sign of cultural understanding.
"At their 1971 meeting in Alaska, the first visit of a Japanese Emperor to America, President Nixon bowed and referred to Emperor Hirohito and his wife repeatedly as 'Your Imperial Majesties.'"
(See that picture HERE.)
"Yet, (and?) Nixon gets the bow right. Slight arch from the waist hands at his side.
"Obama's handshake/forward lurch was so jarring and inappropriate it recalls Bush's back-rub of Merkel.
"Kyodo News is running his appropriate and reciprocated nod and shake with the Empress, certainly to show the president as dignified, and not in the form of a first year English teacher trying to impress with Karate Kid-level knowledge of Japanese customs.
"The bow as he performed did not just display weakness in Red State terms, but evoked weakness in Japanese terms....The last thing the Japanese want or need is a weak looking American president and, again, in all ways, he unintentionally played that part.
"BTW, Obama's bow at Suntory Hall was much better. Correct angle, slight bow. His hands were wrong but the physical tone was correct and appropriate.
"But if Obama can get the dollar to stop bowing to the Yen I take it all back."
The White House spin is the Japanese wouldn't see it as "anything other than that he enhanced both the position and the status of the U.S., relative to Japan.” Yeah, right. Tapper blew that one out of the water.
ETWolverine
Nov 16, 2009, 08:03 AM
I've spent some time among both Japanese and Chinese. Obama's bow was one of subservience, not equality. By lowering his eyes and bowing LOWER than the other person, he was showing subservience to that other person.
He SHOULD have made a very slight bow at most and never taken his eyes off Akihito's face. And frankly, given the US primacy over Japan in the international community (like it or not, it's a fact) he shouldn't have bowed at all. THAT is proper protocol.
Elliot
tomder55
Nov 16, 2009, 08:08 AM
He SHOULD have made a very slight bow at most and never taken his eyes off Akihito's face.
I learned that from the 'Karate Kid ':D
tomder55
Nov 16, 2009, 12:05 PM
I don't know Steve. Looks like Nixon is just leaning in to hear the Emperor speak.
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/5c8f4325f5d81345_landing
Either way it's not a deep grovelling bow out of a Peter Sellers movie.
tomder55
Nov 17, 2009, 05:55 AM
Speaking of displaying proper protocol...
Check out this recent pix of Veteran's Day at Arlington National Cemetery. I don't know if the National Anthem is being played or if just the flag is being paraded by. Note that everyone on the podium is either saluting or holding their hand over the heart. Well... everyone except one person.
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/obforgot.jpg
speechlesstx
Nov 17, 2009, 06:26 AM
I don't know Steve. Looks like Nixon is just leaning in to hear the Emperor speak.
Maybe it was that bit about Nixon referring to them as 'Your Imperial Majesties.'
Either way it's not a deep grovelling bow out of a Peter Sellers movie.
True, nothing like what my FF team has done to opponents the last 3 weeks. 3 weeks, 3 lost RB's. 3 points between Colston and Jackson in a PPR league? In my standard league Colston scored a -1. I bow to the Gnats superiority...
tomder55
Nov 17, 2009, 07:22 AM
Not only that... the Giants taking a week off was nothing but a plus. Both division rivals lost ;the Eagles lost to a common AFC opponent losing a tiebreaker advantage over the Giants ; and Turner looks like he may be out for this weeks game against Falcons .
speechlesstx
Nov 17, 2009, 08:00 AM
not only that ...the Giants taking a week off was nothing but a plus. Both division rivals lost ;the Eagles lost to a common AFC opponent losing a tiebreaker advantage over the Giants ; and Turner looks like he may be out for this weeks game against Falcons .
Thanks for that reminder. Maybe Mendenhall will bounce back, Slaton will hold on to the ball and more than one receiver will show up this week. You know the Cowboys had it working with Barber early in the game and once again Garrett just went in some completely different direction. When the score is 0-0 in the first half why would you bench your strongest runner? I can take consolation in Hoodie making the dumbest call of the week in going for it on 4th and 2 with the lead from his own 28 with Peyton Manning on the other side.
tomder55
Nov 17, 2009, 08:13 AM
Amazing considering the Pats have zero running game.