No not Limbaugh, Fergie (http://www.ihatethemedia.com/fergie-performance-horrifies-parents-at-white-house-easter-egg-hunt). While the media (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/10/12/cnns-rick-sanchez-features-dubious-limbaugh-slavery-quote) continues (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2009/10/12/msnbc-features-lefty-sports-writer-trash-racist-swine-rush-limbaugh)to trash (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/13/msnbc-guest-for-limbaugh-owning-an-nfl-team-would-be-like-owning-a-plantation/) Limbaugh with false (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/13/journalists-claiming-limbaugh-praised-mlks-assassin-offer-no-proof) smears (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/10/12/usa-today-columnist-limbaugh-makes-people-more-comfortable-their-prejud), the NFL has approved (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view/20091013fergie_may_become_dolphins_partner/srvc=home&position=recent) the smut singing, former meth addict Fergie as a partner with the Miami Dolphins.

I guess these media hacks were too busy musing on killing Rush (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/10/13/matthews-someones-going-jam-co2-pellet-rushs-head-hes-going-explod) and fact-checking SNL (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWQwMWIyZDM2ZTg4MWUwZDEyZDVkMzAzYjMwOWEwODU=) to have any objectivity. What's sad is even Keith Olbermann (when not referring to Michelle Malkin as a "mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/10/13/olbermann-without-fascistic-hatred-malkin-just-mashed-bag-meat-lipsti)" ) sort of defended Rush's bid to buy the Rams (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/08/limbaugh-gets-support-from-an-unlikely-source/).

Good to see the media on the ball and contributing to a more civil dialogue in this country.

Hehe, people defending Rush.

Hehe, people defending Rush.

He he, people defending the truth.

I expect your next thread will be about people being mean to Glen Beck? :)

So you have a problem with a recovering meth head taking ownership but not a current Oxy abuser?

"Look, let me put it to you this way: The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Those are Limbaugh's words. So are these:

"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

Sounds like a model owner!

I expect your next thread will be about people being mean to Glen Beck? :)

I suspect you think it's OK to joke about killing Limbaugh?

So you have a problem with a recovering meth head taking ownership but not a current Oxy abuser?

Who says he's a current Oxy abuser?

Who says he isn't?

The funny thing is that Mardge Shott owned the baseball Cinn. Reds for at least a decade spewing real racial hatred for years. It did not stop minority ball players from playing for the Reds.

Rush has an audience of 20,000,000 .I'd be willing to bet most of them are football fans .Does the NFL want the impact of a mobilized fan base ? Rush is part of a group of investors wanting to buy the Rams. The other investors will pull out of the bid if they are denied and the most likely outcome will be the Rams leaving St. Louis for LA. I'm sure the city of St Louis will appreciate that !

Spit . The media types who have been misquoting him had best be prepared to defend themselves in court.

I suspect you think it's ok to joke about killing Limbaugh?
Where the hell did THAT come from? I hate it when you guys put words in people's mouths. It's such a discussion killer.

Sounds like a model owner!

Spit, context. The media and all the Rush haters love to take his quotes out of context and can't seem to figure out he's an entertainer. In the crips and bloods thing was he was discussing the antics of some pro football players (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/estack_12_13_06/the_classless_nfl_culture_.guest.html), like T.O. taking out a sharpie and Joe Horn pulling out a cell phone after making TD's. He had a point, he thought it was "classless."

I already linked to the dubiousness of both claims (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/10/12/cnns-rick-sanchez-features-dubious-limbaugh-slavery-quote) in the OP. The slavery quote? Where is it? Where's the transcript?

Rush already has one NO vote for ownership.

Colts' Irsay says he wouldn't approve Limbaugh as owner of Rams (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d813623a6&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

Who says he isn't?

That's what I'm talking about Spit, who says he is?

Hello:

Rush Limprod has the right to lose money on the Rams just like anybody else does.

excon

Where the hell did THAT come from? I hate it when you guys put words in people's mouths. It's such a discussion killer.

So far you've laughed at me for defending the truth and mocked me concerning Beck (who I don't watch and putting words in my mouth), but you've ignored the OP where Chris Matthews mused about Killing Rush. Your silence on that says a lot.

Ah Rush is on the radio which would make him part of the media.

It is wrong to muse about killing anyone. Well some Raiders fans will disagree with that when it comes to Crazy Al. And I am sure some are musing about Killing Jamarcus How bad is he!!

That's what I'm talking about Spit, who says he is?

Speech I looked couldn't find anything about him going to rehab. You don't lose part of your hearing taking a little bit of Oxy. You have to be taking a lot. So if he was taking a lot he couldn't just stop taking them or he would be going through withdrawal. I never listened to Rush so did he have like a month of shows where he was throwing up on the air?

Rush already has one NO vote for ownership.

Yep, and Irsay jerked his knee a little quick on dragging Tony Dungy into the conversation (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/sports/football/14limbaugh.html?pagewanted=all). Dungy appeared on Rush's show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012909/content/01125112.guest.html) this year.

Mark Steyn weighed in (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjY5NzliM2M0ZGJiZjdhNjUxMTcyNzcyNzA2ZWE1NDI=):


For some reason, Rush Limbaugh's mooted purchase of a sports franchise has prompted CNN and others to distribute far and wide what appear to be entirely fabricated racist quotes by Rush. As Tim Blair points out:


Bizarrely, nobody running these career-killing “quotes” seems to question why they weren’t of previous interest.

Just so. What's the theory here? He said these things on the air in 2006 and nobody noticed? 2001? Maybe 1995, back when Clinton was blaming him for Oklahoma City? Hey, let's not get hung up on details. Just because nobody can find any evidence anywhere of Rush saying these "quotes" doesn't mean he didn't say 'em. As someone called Jason Whitlock says:


Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters.

Why not? He does his show every day with an off-mike black sidekick yakking in his ear (Mr. Snerdley) and he has a black guest-host (the great Walter Williams). More to the point, when I began guest-hosting for Rush, I was amazed to discover that George Soros pays a team of stenographers, many of them called Zachary, to work their tippy-tappy fingers to the bone for three hours transcribing everything Rush or his fill-ins say in the hope that their efforts will one day be rewarded and he will deliver the big career-detonating soundbite. Among the aficionados of this service are, as I discovered recently, America's "newspaper of record," which faithfully follows the George Soros typing pool and dutifully plasters any potentially damaging bon mot on page one.

And, aside from all that, 20 million people are out there listening.

So where are these racist soundbites? Where's the audio? Where's the transcript? Name the year. Heigh-ho, say CNN's Rick Sanchez and the rest of the basement-ratings crowd. Not our problem: It's for Limbaugh to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's never said it. We're too busy fact-checking anti-Obama jokes to fact-check our own reporting.. .

What team does Dungy own? None. Who does he coach again? Oh that's right no one. So what is your point?

Speech I looked couldn't find anything about him going to rehab. You don't lose part of your hearing taking a little bit of Oxy. You have to be taking a lot. So if he was taking a lot he couldn't just stop taking them or he would be going through withdrawal. I never listened to Rush so did he have like a month of shows where he was throwing up on the air?

Rush spent 5 weeks in rehab (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-rush-limbaugh-returns,0,7088726.story).

What team does Dungy own? None. Who does he coach again? Oh thats right no one. So what is your point?

The point is Irsay dragged him into the conversation - presumably because he's black - when he should have just spoken for himself. Dungy's appearance on Rush's show should be yet another clue that Rush is not a racist.

5 weeks is not enough time to clean up from pain killers if you were taking them since 95 or 96. I know this because my cousin spent two months in a rehab after taking Percocet for a year. Sorry he went on a 5 week vacation good try though on his part to "act" like he did something!

Speech it doesn't matter who he drags in the conversation. Simple fact is Irsay's vote and 31 other team owners will decide Rush's fate. Not to mention Rodger Goodell came out and said they don't need someone like him in the NFL.

Speech it doesn't matter who he drags in the conversation. Simple fact is Irsay's vote and 31 other team owners will decide Rush's fate. Not to mention Rodger Goodell came out and said they don't need someone like him in the NFL.

Apparently it does matter or he wouldn't have brought into the conversation. Apparently it does matter as the player's union head is asking players to speak out. This is a coordinated campaign to derail Rush's bid based on false smears and imaginary quotes. He, like any other potential owner (including trashy little singers) deserves a fair and impartial review. Personally, I don't care if Rush buys the Rams or not, but I suspect they'd be a hell of a lot better team with him. Regardless of all the trash talk, Rush is a winner, has the money, and he's a passionate fan and cheerleader for the NFL to 20 million people. What more could the NFL want in an owner?

You mean like the imaginary quote he said on ESPN in 2003 and I quote:

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL,'' Limbaugh said." The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well... McNabb got a lot of the credit for the performance of the team that he really didn't deserve."

This is the quote they are coming out against. I am sure I can find it on You Tube if you like.

You mean like the imaginary quote he said on ESPN in 2003 and I quote:

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL,'' Limbaugh said." The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well ... McNabb got a lot of the credit for the performance of the team that he really didn't deserve."

This is the quote they are coming out against. I am sure I can find it on You Tube if you like.

That's what started this years ago, but I showed a number of dubious quotes in the OP. But what was racist about this?

Update: One of these unfounded quotes is attributed to someone with a wiki account making it up (http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2009/10/13/the-faith-based-encyclopedia-in-action/) and then being picked up in a book by Jack Huberman. Facts still matter.

He is saying the only reason people want Mcnabb to succeed is because he is black. How disrespectful to a first year Hall Of Famer. Aside from this year and the year T.O. was there McNabb never had a good WR. Him and Westbrook did it all themselves. And this bigot is trying to say McNabb is not a good QB it is a creation of the media. Please.

Irsay ;isn't he the snake who tried to sneak his team out of Baltimore in the middle of the night ?

Tom, Maybe he did but it has no relevance to this conversation.

OK here's one that does . I wonder how the NFL will stand up to restraint of trade and anti-trust lawsuits ?

Tom I don't know anything about restraint of trade or anti-trust lawsuits. So could you explain

Who says he isn't?

Who says Fergie isn't a current Meth user?

You can make that argument in both directions.

So... you think it's all right for someone like Fergie to own a football team but not someone like Rush... despite the fact that they have been accused of doing the Same THINGS.

Can you say "double standard"?

Elliot

Hello:

Rush Limprod has the right to lose money on the Rams just like anybody else does.

excon

Nobody said it was a SMART purchase. But he does indeed have the right as much as anyone else does. We are in agreement on this point.

Elliot

I'm sorry ET where did I say I was all right with Fergie being part owner? Oh that is right I didn't! You just ASSumed I was all right with it. She has no business being part owner.

Yes he has a right to put a bid in. Just like the NFL owners have a right to deny that bid.

He is saying the only reason people want Mcnabb to succeed is because he is black. How disrespectful to a first year Hall Of Famer. Aside from this year and the year T.O. was there McNabb never had a good WR. Him and Westbrook did it all themselves. And this bigot is trying to say McNabb is not a good QB it is a creation of the media. Please.

Aside from his jab at the media hype he was saying the defense carried the team, not McNabb. "There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Allen Barra analyzed it right (http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/) when it happened:


In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb was "that good of a quarterback."

If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons...

Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like this, what did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense?

I'm sorry ET where did I say I was alright with Fergie being part owner? Oh that is right I didn't! you just ASSumed i was alright with it. She has no business being part owner.

But she's already been approved.

Speech I looked couldn't find anything about him going to rehab. You don't lose part of your hearing taking a little bit of Oxy. You have to be taking a lot. So if he was taking a lot he couldn't just stop taking them or he would be going through withdrawal. I never listened to Rush so did he have like a month of shows where he was throwing up on the air?

Ummm... Spit, where did you get the idea that he lost his hearing because of Oxycontin use? He lost his hearing in a three-month period back in 2001 due to AIED. He wears a cochlear implant.

Limbaugh learning to listen again: Rush Limbaugh lost most of his hearing because of a rare disease, but the conservative icon says he has not lost his ability to communicate with his audience | Insight on the News Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_3_18/ai_82554117/)

As far as your statement that he is a "current drug user", Limbaugh has also been undergoing random drug testing since his agreement with the Palm Beach Prosecutor's office in 2006 to drop the investigation, and has been clean since then. He also went through 5 weeks of drug rehab in 2003, when the investigation first started.

Rush Limbaugh Arrested On Drug Charges - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/28/national/main1561324.shtml)

Where are you getting your information?

Elliot

Yes he has a right to put a bid in. Just like the NFL owners have a right to deny that bid.

But since when did the NFL approve character assassination and attempts to destroy someone's chances before they even get a hearing?

NFL does not enjoy the anti-trust exemptions that MLB has .They have limitted ones that allow them to screw cities like Jacksonville with blackout rules ,but when they tried to deny Al Davis the right to move to LA he sued them and they lost anti-trust suits against the USFL (the jury reward was a mockery of the verdict) . They have lost every single law suit against them either by startup leagues ,or by rogue owners like Al Davis.


Restraint of trade mainly affects post-termination restrictive covenants in employment contracts, and restrictions on competition in contracts for the sale of businesses.
Restraint of trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraint_of_trade)

BTW ;Excon is right ;buying the Rams is a losing proposition. But that should be between the Rams and the purchasing group .

Yes he has a right to put a bid in. Just like the NFL owners have a right to deny that bid.

But they have ACCEPTED Fergie's bid... and are trying to deny Rush's.

Are you OK with that double-standard?

Elliot

Are you OK with that double-standard?Hello again, Elliot:

What double standard? Are you saying that business doesn't have the right to decide who they do business with?? Other than the standards set by law, a business can have as many double standards as they wish... No??

You're not saying, are you, that because I happened to do business with a fellow named Charlie, that I have to do business with everybody named Charlie??

Only a flaming LIBERAL would think like that.

excon

Explain how it is a double standard. What bigoted thing did Fergie say? Now if you are trying to say it is because she sings about smut well the NFL has no problem with smut. You can go to your favorite teams website and buy a calender of their cheerleaders in their underwear. It is not about drugs because no one in the NFL is saying it is about drugs. It is all about what he said about McNabb. So what bigoted thing did Fergie say?

I know my cousin has hearing problems because of the painkillers he abused. Amazing how a drug abuser loses his hearing to a "rare" disorder. Not the painkillers he abused from 96 to 03. Oh and if you think you can't beat a drug test you are mistaken ET.

By the way ;another SCOTUS case to watch this term is American Needle v. National Football League . Again the NFL is under fire for anti-trust actions.

Explain how it is a double standard.

Double standard or not, prejudging this potential owner is not what the NFL represents itself to be.

My concern though is we have a White House, Democrats everywhere, leftist bloggers, Hollywood wackos and a number of people here that consistently slam Fox News for their bias and nobody seems to give a sh*t when the rest of the media engages in blatant character assassination based on lies and fabricated quotes.

The thread is about the double standard in the media and among Fox news bashers. Rush just happens to be the one in their sights this time.

Except the NFL is not prejudging Rush. The are going off a bigoted remark Rush made on ESPN about one of the Leagues good guys. Kudos to the NFL for standing up to Rush.

Hello again, Elliot:

What double standard? Are you saying that business doesn't have the right to decide who they do business with??? Other than the standards set by law, a business can have as many double standards as they wish... No???

You're not saying, are you, that because I happened to do business with a fellow named Charlie, that I have to do business with everybody named Charlie????

Only a flaming LIBERAL would think like that.

excon

Oh, they have the right to try to ban Rush, I guess. I guess everyone has the right to have a double standard. I'm just asking you to RECOGNIZE IT and CALL IT when you see it.

No, you don't have to do business with anyone named charlie just because you once did business with a guy named charlie.

But if you go around claiming that the REASON you aren't doing business with someone is BECAUSE they are named charlie, and then you do business with SOMEONE ELSE named charlie, you can expect people are going to call you a hypocrite.

If you go around claiming that the reason that you don't want Rush as an owner of an NFL team is because he is a racist, a drug user and says disgusting things on the air, and then you approve someone else who has done the Same THINGS, you better believe that someone's going to call you a hypocrite for it.

Though the truth is that the NFL owners really DON'T have the right to ban him. MBL owners do because of the anti-trust laws they operate (or are exempted) from. But the NFL owners operate under a different set of rules. I don't think that they can legally ban Rush if Chip Rosenblum, Lucia Rodriguez and Stan Kroenke decide to sell to him and the rest of his consortium. I don't think that the other owners have the right to interfere in a private transaction between private individuals for sale of an asset. That would be a violation of the anti-trust laws.

Elliot

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap (http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html)

Except the NFL is not prejudging Rush. The are going off a bigoted remark Rush made on ESPN about one of the Leagues good guys. Kudos to the NFL for standing up to Rush.

That's just it, Spit, where's the bigotry? Where's the racism? The McNabb remark was not racist. Rush is not racist. He would not have a black man as his right hand man every day on the air, frequently use a black man as guest host and consider it an honor to interview to Tony Dungy if he were racist. It's all manufactured outrage.

Even if it were racist, I thought he NFL allowed people a chance to redeem themselves, i.e. Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, Pacman, Shawne Merriman and on and on and on. NBC has a guy on their Sunday Night Football broadcasts that says far more outrageous things on a daily basis by the name of Keith Olbermann, and believe it or not (at least until Obama signs the hate crimes bill this week) we have freedom of speech in this country.

Yes we do have freedom of speech. But you do not have freedom of speech in the NFL. Just like we do not have freedom of speech at our jobs or even on AMHD.com I have had comments removed from this site for saying something negative about Catholics. You know how it works

Saying McNabb is not a good player and the only reason why people want to make him look like a good player is because he is black is bigoted. The NFL does not control who NBC puts on their pregame show.

Vick, Pacman, Merriman, and Olberman are not trying to own a NFL team. The League holds the owners to a different standard. Hence the vetting process and needing to get 24 of the owners votes.

Yes we do have freedom of speech. But you do not have freedom of speech in the NFL.

Rush is not in the NFL.

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap (http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html)

Jerry Jones found a way around that remember?

Rush is not in the NFL.

Right he is not in the NFL but he wants to be. And if never said anything about one of their good guys we would not be having this conversation.

Jerry Jones found a way around that remember?

Actually I don't.

Right he is not in the NFL but he wants to be. And if never said anything about one of their good guys we would not be having this conversation.

Nevertheless, he deserves the chance to speak for himself on these matters and not be derailed by a bunch of media hacks preemptively.


Actually I don't.

Sorry, it all started when he signed an exclusive sponsorship agreement with Pepsi for Texas Stadium when Coke had a league-wide agreement. And by the way, most NFL owners are big time Republican types from what I understand so I bet Rush gets a hearing anyway if he continues to pursue this. In the meantime, those media hacks better do as tom said and get their lawyers ready.

Does anyone know who else is in the Checketts group ? Unconfirmed report is the Rush is being dropped from the group . Unconfirmed report is that convicted insider trader George Soros is in the group .

Yup Rush has been dropped from the group. The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism. He is insane. And if you believe him then you are also insane.

His McNabb comments were directed at the sports media . What happened to Rush this week is a lynching pure and simple... a lynching led by racist Al Sharpton ,who once called a white store owner a white interloper and stereotyped Jews as diamond merchants. Also leading the charge was Jesse Jackson who once called NYC hyme-town.

The coward Dave Checketts ,who destroyed Madison Square Garden and the NY Knicks will also destoy the Rams if he gets the franchise. Rush is actually lucky to get dumped from the group .

But if I was Rush ,with all his resources,I'd make life miserable for all those who slandered and libeled him this week

Yup Rush has been dropped from the group. The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism. He is insane. And if you believe him then you are also insane.

Goodell said "I have said many times before, we're all held to a higher standard here...I would not want to see those kinds of comments coming from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL. No. Absolutely not."

What kind of comments? What did he base that on, what the media was saying, quotes they can't back up? What higher standard, one that only gives certain people the benefit of the doubt? One that only gives certain people a chance to be heard?

If I were Rush I would probably react the same way only I wouldn't have been that kind. He's not running for anything, he never claimed to be the head of the Republican party, and the left, the media, the Democrats have absolutely assailed him based on dubious quotes, quotes out of context - most of which were jokes. These people have had a humorectomy or a lobotomy or something.

Anyway, like I said this is bigger than Rush Limbaugh, this post was about the hypocrisy in the media and all over the left side of the fence. They can now pat themselves on the back as they've not only succeeded in their hate campaign against Rush, they've begun a new era where private citizens are no longer free to enter into a legal business transaction without interference from the thought police.

By the way, McNabb looks like a great play this week. I bet even Rush would use him on a fantasy team at the right time :)

His McNabb comments were directed at the sports media . What happened to Rush this week is a lynching pure and simple ...Hello again, tom:

It was. But, what's good for the goose...

Back to the drugster... He lost 85 pounds recently... Hmmmmm... Instead of oxy, I'll bet he's been hitting the meth pipe.

excon

PS> By the way, what does it matter WHO his racist comments were directed at?

Back to the drugster... He lost 85 pounds recently... Hmmmmm... Instead of oxy, I'll bet he's been hitting the meth pipe.


Actually your comment has the same validity of the unsourced comments he allegedly was accused of saying . It's the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife" ?

If I were Rush I would probably react the same way only I wouldn't have been that kind. Hello Steve:

What surprises me, is that the limp dude is surprised at this reaction... He actually, ain't no brighter than Sarah Palin, is he?


It's the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife" ?Hello tom:

It is.. But, it's delicious, isn't it?

excon

Hello again, tom:

You know, under ordinary circumstances, I'd have a LOT of sympathy for someone who got caught up in addiction...

But, the drugster?? It ain't going to happen... In SPITE of his own ordeal, and in SPITE of his brush with PRISON, he is STILL a staunch supporter of putting people EXACTLY like him, in jail.

He IS the most despicable man in the universe.

excon

Hello tom:

It is.. But, it's delicious, is't it?


It's hilarious . But like Steve says ;he is not running for public office so he has nothing to lose if he points a double barrel legal challenge at all those who did not have the integrity to source check before they misquoted him... especially in the MSM... but also the NFL (like I pointed out yesterday ,they are vulnerable to anti-trust challenges) .

Here is a partial list of public officials and their well sourced quotes who have not lost job or business opportunities for what they have said .

Howard Dean... “I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks.”

Dean again : “You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? … Only if they had the hotel staff in here.”

VP Joe Biden explains why southern Democrats should vote for him: “My state was a slave state.”

Former Klansman Robert Byrd : “I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time.

Democratic Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin :“I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day.”

Steny Hoyer speaking about Michael Steele's : “[He has] a career of slavishly supporting the Republican Party.”

VP Joe Biden again :“You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent … I'm not joking.”

And there are many more .

But, the drugster?? It ain't going to happen... In SPITE of his own ordeal, and in SPITE of his brush with PRISON, he is STILL a staunch supporter of putting people EXACTLY like him, in jail.


I can't comment one way or the other . I actually rarely listen to him and have not heard him comment much about drug addiction or drug law enforcement . My guess is you are right in that he probably has not modified whatever positions he takes .But I also suspect his position is much deeper than you characterize it.

But I also suspect his position is much deeper than you characterize it.Hello again, tom:

Deeper, schmeeper... He's an ideologue who could NOT see past his own ideology into his real life... That's not deep. That's BLIND HYPOCRISY. More importantly, its DANGEROUS!

excon

Speech you know what this is like. This is like a child who gets in trouble in school and blames everyone but himself. He said what he said about McNabb and instead of Manning up he points the finger. It wasn't that Sarah Palin gave stupid answers to simple questions no, that diabolical fiend Katie Kuric was out to get her. When are the people in your party going to MAN UP and take responsibility for what comes out of their mouth?


But on to important things McNabb should have field day against DA RAIDERS. Then again my grandma could also and she died 3 years ago. The only bright spot for Oakland is a Def Back they have named Nnamdi Asomaugh. He is a shut down corner. I was reading about him and last year in 16 games his side was only thrown to 13 times for 110 yards No touch downs. That is pretty amazing.

Here is a partial list of public officials and their well sourced quotes who have not lost job or business opportunities for what they have said Hello tom:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that private business doesn't have the right to do business with WHOM it wishes to do business with?? You're not saying, are you, that they should be forced by the public, to do the publics will??

Nahhh... You wouldn't say that, because it sounds positively liberal.

excon

I was at the Giants Raiders game last week. The only reason they weren't skunked was that the refs blew a replay . I lost some points in FF because a Def.touchdown was overturned.

Most of the fans filtered out in the 3rd qtr. But with construction of the new Giants/Jets stadium parking is a nightmare at the Meadowlands and it took over an hr. to leave the lot.
Next time I will tailgate after the game.

The Raiders are living proof that if you do not have a good owner you are not going to have a good team.

Hello tom:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that private business doesn't have the right to do business with WHOM it wishes to do business with?? You're not saying, are you, that they should be forced by the public, to do the publics will??

Nahhh... You wouldn't say that, because it sounds positively liberal.


Your right I'm not saying that . I'm saying that what happened to Rush probably violates anti-trust laws ,and certainly violates restraint of trade principles and laws.
Since when does a business owner get to choose the owner of a competing franchise ?

Speech you know what this is like. This is like a child who gets in trouble in school and blames everyone but himself. He said what he said about McNabb and instead of Manning up he points the finger.

Actually it's not, it's exactly as I said or better as tom put it, a lynching. Did you read the quoutes he offered? Congressmen, a mayor of a major city, the former head of the DNC and the sitting VP have made more blatantly racist comments and they still have a job. We have an obvious tax cheat and liar heading the committee that taxes Americans and hate-mongering liars as House and Senate majority leaders. Not only do they still have jobs, their work personally affects the lives of millions of American. They want to overhaul an entire industry, healthcare, and they just infringed on on one of our most cherished and basic rights in free speech when they passed their hate crimes bill. Rush just loves football.


It wasn't that Sarah Palin gave stupid answers to simple questions no, that diabolical fiend Katie Kuric was out to get her. When are the people in your party going to MAN UP and take responsibility for what comes out of their mouth?

There's a slight difference in one man or one woman speaking their mind and the members of a majority of an industry (the media) and countless bloggers and elected officials setting their vicious sights on that one man or woman in a coordinated lynching. Oh, and that crips and blood comment, he did man up yesterday and say he should have put it another way.


But on to important things McNabb should have field day against DA RAIDERS. Then again my grandma could also and she died 3 years ago. The only bright spot for Oakland is a Def Back they have named Nnamdi Asomaugh. He is a shut down corner. I was reading about him and last year in 16 games his side was only thrown to 13 times for 110 yards No touch downs. That is pretty amazing.

Only problem for the Raiders is Nmandi can't cover the whole field by himself. The Raiders are baaaaaad.

I was at the Giants Raiders game last week. The only reason they weren't skunked was that the refs blew a replay . I lost some points in FF because a Def.touchdown was overturned.

I lost some games because a dufus WR was late for curfew from his fling.

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap (http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html)

So basically what you are saying is the same thing that I'm saying... that the football owners are acting as a monopoly in violation of anti-trust laws to block a specific individual or group of individuals from entering the industry.

And you don't have a problem with that?

Elliot

He should have came out a while ago and said he was wrong about that. I know that the bloods in Trenton aren't pulling sharpies out of their socks they are pulling guns out of their waste band. They aren't stashing cell phones they are stashing crack rocks or heroin

The Raiders have always been my second team from the first time I saw Bo Jackson blow by the entire Seahawks defense. He was amazing. It makes me sick what Al Davis has done to them. You can't get a new coach every year or half a year. It isn't going to work. You can't draft people just because they can run a 4.2 Forty. The man is stuck in 60's 70's and 80's.

ET I like at it like this. I don't care if the NFL is a Monopoly. They provide me with entertainment once a week. I look at them as a private club. They can make their own rules and if you don't like it then you can go watch the UFL (http://www.ufl-football.com/). Maybe Rush can buy one of their teams if he loves the sport so much!

He should have came out a while ago and said he was wrong about that. I know that the bloods in Trenton aren't pulling sharpies out of their socks they are pulling guns out of their waste band. They aren't stashing cell phones they are stashing crack rocks or heroin

I don't think it was an issue until now, Spit. That's just it, it was dragged up to lynch him. I don't recall any outrage until now.


The Raiders have always been my second team from the first time I saw Bo Jackson blow by the entire Seahawks defense. He was amazing. It makes me sick what Al Davis has done to them. You can't get a new coach every year or half a year. It isn't going to work. You can't draft people just because they can run a 4.2 Forty. The man is stuck in 60's 70's and 80's.

What is he now anyway, like 90 years old? I was a bit of a Raiders fan in the Kenny Stabler days, now if I have to watch anyone besides the Boys it's the Colts, Saints or Texans.

He is insane. And if you believe him then you are also insane.

There's the 'marginalization' tactic again. When you know you're wrong and have no further argument to support your position, marginalize the opposition. Pure Alinskyite tactics.

Ruch got screwed. You couldn't point to a racist comment and neither could anyone else. Those that made claims that Rush made comments about "slavery" turned out to be full of crap. There is no incident that anyone can point to that makes him inelligible to be an NFL owner. You know it, we know it, and you have no counter to that argument. So instead you call anyone who doesn't agree with your position "insane" in an attempt to marginalize the opposition.

You guys on the left are sooooo predictable.

Elliot

ET I like at it like this. I don't care if the NFL is a Monopoly. They provide me with entertainment once a week. I look at them as a private club. They can make their own rules and if you don't like it then you can go watch the UFL (http://www.ufl-football.com/). Maybe Rush can buy one of their teams if he loves the sport so much!

So you don't have a problem with the idea that the owners of McDonalds and Burger King get to choose who the next owner of Wendy's is going to be? Just as long as you get your fast food the way you like it.

So much for free trade.

Elliot

Maybe Jeffrey Lurie should be dumped from the league . When he signed Vick he said before he would sign him ;he would need to see from Vick "a lot of self-hatred in order to approve this."

The white owner of the Eagles needed to see self hatred from a black player before he would sign him... hmmmmm!! Why does he still have a franchise ?

Keith Olberman made the comments Steve cited in the OP against an Asian American commentator . Olberman is not employed by the NFL ,but one of his roles in the NBC network is as a punster on the Sunday Night football "Countdown" . Why is there no outrage for his blatantly (sourced and confirmed ) comments against an Asian-American ?

Discrediting a future Hall of Fame QB saying the media only wants him to be good because he is black is racist. When Chad Pennington took over as the Jets QB and won a measly 7 games the media was talking like he was the next Joe Namath. Chad Pennington SUCKED where was Rush at bashing him? No where could it be because he was white?

ET did you miss the beginning of my post where I said the reason he was insane? Here it is again:

The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism.

There is no Fast Food League that McD, BK, and Wendys, belong to. Maybe you haven't notice the NFL symbol on Every teams Jersey. The NFL is the ruler of these teams, You either play by their rules or you don't play. Maybe you poison yourself with that so called food but I care about myself too much to even think about eating that crap.

Tom killing animals is not a black or white thing. You are twisting what Lurie said. He wants Vick to hate himself for what he did not because of the color of is skin. But nice try.

Tom Olberman didn't make a racial slur. He called a person a bag of meat. How is that anti Asian?

Discrediting a future Hall of Fame QB saying the media only wants him to be good because he is black is racist. When Chad Pennington took over as the Jets QB and won a measly 7 games the media was talking like he was the next Joe Namath. Chad Pennington SUCKED where was Rush at bashing him? No where could it be because he was white?

ET did you miss the beginning of my post where i said the reason he was insane? here it is again:

The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism.

There is no Fast Food League that McD, BK, and Wendys, belong to. Maybe you haven't notice the NFL symbol on Every teams Jersey. The NFL is the ruler of these teams, You either play by their rules or you don't play. Maybe you poison yourself with that so called food but I care about myself to much to even think about eating that crap.

Actually, since I only eat Kosher, I happen not to eat Micky D's or BK or Wendy's. But that's besides the point.

So... the NFL is the "ruler". Interesting that you should use that term. That is the very thing that anti-trust laws are SUPPOSED to prevent... the NFL becoming a "ruler".

And the fact is that Rush wasn't dropped because of racism. He was dropped because people don't like his politics. So he was right about that.

Furthermore, the comments that Rush made about McNabb were not only NOT racist (seeing as they were aimed at the MEDIA and not at McNabb), they were also true. His comment was not that McNabb isn't a good quaterback. His comment was that the only reason that the media was paying that particular player any attention is because THEY are racists (or reverse-racists, which is the same thing) who never expected that a black quarterback could make good in the NFL. The comment itself wasn't racist. It was in fact pointing out the racism of the mainstream media.

As it turns out, McNabb IS that good. But that doesn't mean that Rush's comments were wrong. The comments didn't disparage McNabb for being black. They disparaged the MEDIA for giving McNabb more credit than he deserved AT THAT POINT IN HIS CAREER solely because he was black.

Elliot

Furthermore, the comments that Rush made about McNabb were not only NOT racist (seeing as they were aimed at the MEDIA and not at McNabb), they were also true. Hello again, Elliot:

So, if I said to tom, that nigger sucks, that wouldn't be racist because I addressed tom and not the black guy?? You guys are really, really bonkers...

You too, are as racist as the limp one is, as evidenced by your comment. So, I guess "it takes one to know one" doesn't work here.

excon

I have accepted that the NFL is the Ruler of these teams a long time ago. If you don't like do something about. If not then Shhhhhhh.

Here you go decide for yourself if McNabb didn't deserve the credit the big bad media (which Rush is a dominate member of) gave him. I have to put it in a link it looked like a mess when I tried to post it. Of course don't use anything after 2003.

Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/profile?id=MCN017517)

I know you don't eat that stuff ET.

Oh and 2002 is the year McNabb Broke his Ankle and played the rest of the game on it!! Yeah he doesn't deserve any of the credit he was giving.

Discrediting a future Hall of Fame QB saying the media only wants him to be good because he is black is racist.

Already been there, Spit. Rush was criticizing the media and political correctness and he plainly said it was the Eagles defense that carried the team at he time. He was criticizing McNabb's performance, not his blackness, while making the point that the media was praising his performance because of his blackness.


When Chad Pennington took over as the Jets QB and won a measly 7 games the media was talking like he was the next Joe Namath. Chad Pennington SUCKED where was Rush at bashing him? No where could it be because he was white?

I don't think this is relevant, he has regularly commented on the performance of NFL players and teams for years and years. Whether it's been Pennington or not I'm sure he's said plenty about white players. I've shown more than enough evidence to prove he isn't a racist, but then again those blacks he's honored and surrounded himself with probably aren't legitimately black.

Ok speech lets play this game. Here is just one of his racist quotes:

Limbaugh on Survivor series: "African-American tribe" worst swimmers, Hispanics "will do things other people won't do." On August 23, 2006, Limbaugh suggested that the competition in a season of CBS' Survivor, in which contestants were reportedly divided into competing "tribes" by ethnicity, "is not going to be fair if there's a lot of water events." In support of this assertion, he cited a March 2, 2006, HealthDay article reporting that "young blacks -- especially males -- are much more likely to drown in pools than whites." He later added that Hispanics have "probably shown the most survival tactics," that they "have shown a remarkable ability to cross borders," and that they can "do it without water for a long time, they don't get apprehended, and they will do things other people won't do." On his September 29, 2006, show, Limbaugh claimed "[t]here can only be one reason" Survivor scrapped "segregated" competition after two episodes -- "the white tribe had to be winning."

Rush Limbaugh's red herring | Philly | 10/15/2009 (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Rush_LImbaughs_red_herring.html)

Oh and 2002 is the year McNabb Broke his Ankle and played the rest of the game on it!!!!! Yeah he doesn't deserve any of the credit he was givin.

And who played for the six weeks he was out? ;)

Was it one of the Detmers? It wasn't Garcia that was only 2 or 3 seasons ago.

So, if I said to tom, that nigger sucks, that wouldn't be racist

When did Rush say "that nigger sucks?"

Was it one of the Detmers? It wasn't Garcia that was only 2 or 3 seasons ago.

So he was out for over a third of the season and he deserved all the credit? I'm sure a Detmer didn't carry them, it would have been the defense just like Rush said :D

Ok speech lets play this game. Here is just one of his racist quotes:

Limbaugh on Survivor series: "African-American tribe" worst swimmers, Hispanics "will do things other people won't do." On August 23, 2006, Limbaugh suggested that the competition in a season of CBS' Survivor, in which contestants were reportedly divided into competing "tribes" by ethnicity, "is not going to be fair if there's a lot of water events." In support of this assertion, he cited a March 2, 2006, HealthDay article reporting that "young blacks -- especially males -- are much more likely to drown in pools than whites." He later added that Hispanics have "probably shown the most survival tactics," that they "have shown a remarkable ability to cross borders," and that they can "do it without water for a long time, they don't get apprehended, and they will do things other people won't do." On his September 29, 2006, show, Limbaugh claimed "[t]here can only be one reason" Survivor scrapped "segregated" competition after two episodes -- "the white tribe had to be winning."

Rush Limbaugh's red herring | Philly | 10/15/2009 (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Rush_LImbaughs_red_herring.html)

LOL, again he was being satirical, showing the silliness of the PC crowd. Come on Spit, I know you have a sense of humor.

2001 (his third year in the league) over 3,000 yards, 2000 (his second year in the league) over 3,000 yards. What a crappy QB.

That is your guys defense for all racist comments it satire. Sorry it isn't.

It's like a verbally abusive husband. He talks sh*t puts his wife down then says come on baby you know I was joking.

You are twisting what Lurie said. He wants Vick to hate himself for what he did not because of the color of is skin. But nice try.

Spit... that should be the object lesson for you.
As you are so willing to take Rush's comments out of context I reserve the right to do the same with Lurie's

That is your guys defense for all racist comments it satire. Sorry it isn't.

OK, get me the transcript, not the sound bites.

I showed the racist comment speech you can disprove it.

When did Rush say "that nigger sucks?"Hello Steve:

You missed my point.. I thought you were smarter than that... Or is it that you don't have an argument, so you decide to deflect the conversation instead... Well, I don't know and I don't care. You KNOW what I meant.

excon

I showed the racist comment speech you can disprove it.

OK, how about a complete sentence then?

Hello Steve:

You missed my point.. I thought you were smarter than that... Or is it that you don't have an argument, so you decide to deflect the conversation instead... Well, I dunno and I don't care. You KNOW what I meant.

I get your point and it's wrong. He never said anything remotely close to that.

I get your point and it's wrong. He never said anything remotely close to that.Hello again, Steve:

NO, you don't. And, I'm tired of the deflection, and the spin. It was said above that certain comments couldn't be racist because they weren't directed at the person being discussed. They were directed at the media...

So, the point of the poster is, I think it was Elliot, apparently one can say racist things ABOUT someone and it ISN'T racist, but it IS racist when it's directed AT the person...

So, I DEBUNKED that stupid argument by bringing up a very racist comment to a 3rd person and asked whether THOSE racist comments were cool, too because they weren't directed at the person. It sailed by you TWICE.

Want to try for a third time?

excon

NO, you don't. And, I'm tired of the deflection, and the spin. It was said above that certain comments couldn't be racist because they weren't directed at the person being discussed. They were directed at the media...

So, the point of the poster is, I think it was Elliot, apparently one can say racist things ABOUT someone and it ISN'T racist, but it IS racist when it's directed AT the person...

I didn't get that interpretation at all out of Elliot's remarks (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/radio-star-approved-nfl-owner-405866-9.html#post2033153). Especially since he made it quite clear, "They disparaged the MEDIA for giving McNabb more credit than he deserved AT THAT POINT IN HIS CAREER solely because he was black." Rush didn't direct a "racist comment" at the media or anyone else, he was commenting on political correctness.


So, I DEBUNKED that stupid argument by bringing up a very racist comment to a 3rd person and asked whether THOSE racist comments were cool, too because they weren't directed at the person. It sailed by you TWICE.

No, I still get your point quite clear. Mine is he never said anything remotely as inflammatory as you portrayed it - regardless of your point. You took it to a whole other level, you exaggerated wildly, you purposely tried to make it seem far worse than it was, and that's the spin.

FYI, Tony Dungy weighed in and he was of course a voice of reason, "I don't like it when people say, 'Because of this, he shouldn't be allowed to do that ... because of the way this guy looks, because of the way he sounds, because of his political bent, that he shouldn't allowed to own a team.' And that's something that the 28 owners should decide and not the general public."

Hello again, Elliot:

So, if I said to tom, that nigger sucks, that wouldn't be racist because I addressed tom and not the black guy????? You guys are really, really bonkers....

You too, are as racist as the limp one is, as evidenced by your comment. So, I guess "it takes one to know one" doesn't work here.

excon

That's not what I said. You obviously have lost your ability to READ as well as think.

Rush never said anything remotely like what you posted. He never called McNabb the N-word. He never said that McNabb wasn't a good player. What he said was that McNabb hadn't earned his spurs in the NFL yet, and that all the accolaids he was receiving from the media were UNDESERVED, and that he was receiving them solely because he was black.

Seems to me that YOU are the racist for using the N-word. Even if you were using that racist word to criticize racism where you claim to see it.

In fact... you are about as racist as Rush Limbaugh is.

Rush said that the MEDIA was being racist, stated where they were being racits, and got called a racist for it. You are criticizing me as a racist... and even used the N-word.

How does it feel to be called a racist for criticizing the racism of others?

You and Rush are the same...

Sux being you doesn't it.

Elliot

With the damage already done, Huffpo retracted the false quotes (http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/huffpo_retracts_false_limbaugh.asp) used in the Rush witch hunt.

Rick Sanchez of CNN gave a half-a$$ed apology on Twitter (http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTJlZGM0NzhkYWZmOTk1MjdmNzRmOThkMGY0MTVmZmQ=). Did he mean it or did he just not want Rush reminding people of his little DUI incident (http://www.observer.com/2007/rick-sanchez-cnn-s-teflon-man?page=1) that resulted in the death of a pedestrian any more?

Lastly, in February of last year Gary Kamiya told us it was OK for whites to vote for Obama because he's black (http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/02/26/obama/print.html). I'm sure it was just as OK for mainstream white media types to want McNabb to succeed because he's black... it just wasn't OK for anyone to say so.

I hope you Rush haters out there are patting yourselves on the back today, I just really, really hope George Soros is part of the Checketts group. Can't wait to see the how THAT test turns out.

I get your point and it's wrong. He never said anything remotely close to that.Hello again, Steve:

NO, you don't. And, I'm tired of the deflection, and the spin. It was said above that certain comments couldn't be racist because they weren't directed at the person being discussed. They were directed at the media...

So, the point of the poster is, I think it was Elliot, apparently one can say racist things ABOUT someone and it ISN'T racist, but it IS racist when it's directed AT the person...

So, I DEBUNKED that stupid argument by bringing up a very racist comment to a 3rd person and asked whether THOSE racist comments were cool, too because they weren't directed at the person. It sailed by you TWICE.

Want to try for a third time?

excon

That's not what I said. You obviously have lost your ability to READ as well as think.

Rush never said anything remotely like what you posted. He never called McNabb the N-word. Hello again, El:

My post appeared right above yours... And, I'M the one who can't read??

Oy vey!

excon

Sorry, but I can't let my last post (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/radio-star-approved-nfl-owner-405866-11.html#post2034930) disappear that easily at the end of the previous page. I'd sure like some comment on the retractions coming out now.

Sorry, but I can't let my last post (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/radio-star-approved-nfl-owner-405866-11.html#post2034930) disappear that easily at the end of the previous page. I'd sure like some comment on the retractions coming out now.Hello again, Steve:

You aren't talking to me, cause I never denied it was a witch hunt. It was, and it was wonderful.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You aren't talking to me, cause I never denied it was a witch hunt. It was, and it was wonderful.

Ah, so you ARE a fan of witch hunts, that's good to know. In that case... Obama is toast.

Ah, so you ARE a fan of witch hunts, that's good to know. Hello again, Steve:

I am a fan of witch hunts, when the victim happens to be the biggest witch hunter of all. THAT's what I find so delicious.

But, as long we we're recriminating... How come you didn't comment on my observation that if the drugster has such a good handle on the political culture, how come he didn't anticipate the firestorm about this bid?? Unless he's totally oblivious, he's got to have known that it would engender the kind of response it has...

But, he apparently didn't. What's up with that?

excon

What he didn't know was the charge would be led by those citing phony fabricated quotations.

what he didn't know was the charge would be led by those citing phony fabricated quotations.Hello again, tom:

So, the fabricator in chief was surprised that people would fabricate about him?? Dude! And, you STILL think he has his hand on the pulse of America?? Sara Palin has a better feel about America, than the limp one does.

excon

You still haven't been able to cite something that Rush "fabricated".

Or a comment that he made that was racist.

Even those who screwed him over are admitting that they made it all up.

But YOU are still harping on the fact that RUSH is a racist and a liar.

And you think that RUSH is the one who has no contact with reality...

Elliot

Turns out that NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith served as counsel to AG Eric Holder and was a member of Obama's transition team.
Smith of course was very outspoken against the bid to purchase the Rams by Rush .

Word to Smith . The NFL CBA is coming up soon and what he should be worrying about is a lockout by the owners... and not who the owners are. Liberal owners will also lock you out. I'm sure the players he represents are more concerned with green $$$$ than black and white.

But YOU are still harping on the fact that RUSH is a racist and a liar.Hello again, Elliot:

I am, and I'm loving every minute of it.

excon

I am a fan of witch hunts, when the victim happens to be the biggest witch hunter of all. THAT's what I find so delicious.

Actually I think Olbermann has him beat on witch hunting and especially slanderous, outrageous, hateful remarks.


But, as long we we're recriminating... How come you didn't comment on my observation that if the drugster has such a good handle on the political culture, how come he didn't anticipate the firestorm about this bid?? Unless he's totally oblivious, he's got to have known that it would engender the kind of response it has...

Uh, you don't think Rush was ready for a backlash? Like tom said, he wasn't prepared to defend himself against PHONY, FABRICATED nonsense. The Checketts group supposedly had his back on this, too, but they asked him to step aside because they're apparently spineless weasels and Rush said no, you're going to have to fire me. HE had the spine to take the heat, and you know what, I'm sure he'll have the last laugh.

Check out the editor's note at the beginning of this HuffPo hit piece.

Jack Huberman: Rush Limbaugh is STILL Screwing Up America (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-huberman/rush-limbaugh-is-still-sc_b_24724.html)


Editor's Note: An earlier version of this post contained quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh, which Limbaugh has since denied making. As is our policy when a fact in a blog post is called into question, we gave its author 24 hours to substantiate the quote. Since he has not been able to do so, the quotes have been deleted from the post.

you know what, I'm sure he'll have the last laugh.Hello again, Steve:

Of THAT, I have no doubt.

excon

The real reason the left won't accept that Rush is not a racist is because his black friends, co-workers and heroes aren't "real black people." Warren Ballentine said so... right before telling Juan Williams he could "go back to the porch (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/15/black_talk_host_to_juan_williams_real_black_people _are_offended_by_limbaugh.html)."

The real reason the left won't accept that Rush is not a racist is because his black friends, co-workers and heroes aren't "real black people." Hello again, Steve:

Let's leave it this way... There are some things people inherently get. Pregnancy, orgasm, racism, and pornography would be prominent among them.

There's a JP down in LA who refuses to issue a marriage license to inter-racial couples. He doesn't want to make trouble for the kids, he says. HE is CONVINCED that he's not a racist. He offers his piles and piles of black friends and the fact that they even pee in his house, as evidence of it... That might convince you. It doesn't me. Not even close.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Let's leave it this way... There are some things people inherently get. Pregnancy, orgasm, racism, and pornography would be prominent among them.

Inherently? What, we were born that way? If that's the case then we can't help it, kind of like gays... which with your logic would mean homophobes were born that way, too. So they all should get a break, right?


There's a JP down in LA who refuses to issue a marriage license to inter-racial couples. He doesn't want to make trouble for the kids, he says. HE is CONVINCED that he's not a racist. He offers his piles and piles of black friends and the fact that they even pee in his house, as evidence of it... That might convince you. It doesn't me. Not even close.


One minor - make that MAJOR - difference. That JP plainly demonstrated it by saying "I just don't believe in mixing the races that way." You still ain't got anything on Rush but manufactured quotes, quotes taken out of context and the word of a bunch of idiots like this Warren Ballentine that had their sense of humor surgically removed.

More retractions

Editor's Note - STLtoday.com (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/5A84425ADE8A93E58625765200028050?OpenDocument)


As you know, we've never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman. Unless and until Huberman identifies a compelling source, there is absolutely no evidence that Limbaugh uttered the words.

In our view, Huberman should not be permitted to hide behind legal advice. He needs to either identify a source or publicly admit that the quote is false. Until Huberman (or anyone else) identifies a compelling source, we will assume that the quote is false, and that Limbaugh is telling the truth.

First paper to run Limbaugh "slavery" quote issues retraction | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/17/first-paper-to-run-limbaugh-slavery-quote-issues-retraction/)

It's nice that all these media outlets are actually finding standards. Perhaps after this they'll hold to those standards before running with it. Naaaa...

Inherently? What, we were born that way? If that's the case then we can't help it, kind of like gays...which with your logic would mean homophobes were born that way, too. So they all should get a break, right?



One minor - make that MAJOR - difference. That JP plainly demonstrated it by saying "I just don't believe in mixing the races that way." You still ain't got anything on Rush but manufactured quotes, quotes taken out of context and the word of a bunch of idiots like this Warren Ballentine that had their sense of humor surgically removed.


Well, that's excon for you... constantly seeing racism where none exists.

I guess he's 'inherently' stuck on seeing what ain't there.

Elliot

And that's typical of the White House, too... they see enemies everywhere. They continued their war on Fox News over the weekend while still refusing to book anyone on the channel to discuss the attacks. Funny how the administration that admits (http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-communications-director-explains-how-they-controlled-campaign-media-message/)"very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control" is so eager to talk to dictators but not journalists they disagree with (http://www.breitbart.tv/wallace-says-fox-news-sunday-once-again-snubbed-by-wh/).

Well, that's excon for you... constantly seeing racism where none exists.Hello Everybody:

The above from a Jew who tells anti semitic jokes about Jews, and thinks it's OK. He also thinks the song, Barack the Magic Negro isn't racist...

Of course, he doesn't think the limp dude is racist. If he did, he'd have to point the finger at himself. We ALL know he ain't going to do that...

But, since this isn't private correspondence between the Wolverine and myself, our readers will make the final determination.

excon

Why should anyone have to go to the trouble of making up their own minds when they're being told what to believe? You might as well just say it, ex.

Blogger Doctor Zero has it pegged (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/18/defending-the-invincible/):


I’ll probably never be part of a consortium that purchases a football team, but I understand what it means to watch a dream bleed to death. My hopes and ambitions may be smaller than Rush Limbaugh’s, but they have exactly the same value to me. Whether those dreams are carved from pixels, paper, or platinum, they are equally priceless. It requires only a drop of the moral imagination utterly lacking in the people who slandered Limbaugh to guess what it feels like, when a man whose life revolves around words and ideas sees his dreams boiled away by words he didn’t speak, and ideas he has never held.

The events of the past week were about more than simply thwarting Limbaugh’s desire to buy into a football team. There was the naked greed of parasites like Al Sharpton, desperate to maintain his relevance in a world that has wisely stripped him of the power to destroy a man’s life with a phony rape allegation, or launch murderous riots. There was the blind personal hatred of Limbaugh, by people who long ago tired of watching him rewrite their plans for the part of America that refuses to submit to them. And, of course, this was the latest offensive in a bitter war against the ideas that Limbaugh has long served, as their most cheerful and effective defender. Limbaugh’s enemies in that war are angry because they’re frightened. They’re frightened because all of their estimates and projections said they should have been able to claim victory by now.

Backed up against the wall, and forced to admit the most damaging quotes used against Limbaugh were forgeries, his accusers are left stammering that he’s simply too “divisive” to be involved with ownership of an NFL team. What a bleak example of the totalitarian mindset! If you disagree with the approved ideas distributed by the collective, you’re “divisive” and unfit for membership in polite society. I suppose Limbaugh is saturated with divisiveness particles, whose half-life will extend for decades, but the warning to others is clear: rid yourselves of those “divisive” ideas and get with the program.

Perhaps the President could direct one of his many czars to prepare a list of certified “divisive” positions, and which aspects of society are closed to offenders. It would save people like David Checketts, the investor seeking to purchase the Rams, the time he wasted inviting Limbaugh to join his consortium. Imagine how much more convenient it would have been for Checketts, if he could have pulled up a handy whitehouse.gov web page and learned Rush was too divisive to be minority owner of a football team! The Homeland Security spectrum of terrorist alert levels could be used to measure divisiveness ratings. I’d be willing to give them an email address, so the system could send me a warning message when I approach Level Orange. What do you suppose the divisiveness rating for someone like Jeremiah Wright would be? He built a tidy personal fortune from his Ministry of Hate – would he be allowed to buy a stake in an NFL team?

Only the most gullible dupes, and people who rely on CNN for “news”, seriously think Rush Limbaugh is a racist. The dishonesty and cynicism behind dimwitted assertions that he wanted to buy an NFL team to role-play the life of a plantation owner is breathtaking. His accusers don’t really think he harbors some elusive racist demon, which he suppresses just long enough to become friends with Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and Tony Dungy. The people who read this crap should be at least as angry over the insult to their intelligence as Limbaugh is about the insult to his honor. This kind of weapons-grade stupidity is one of the things America can no longer afford.

Why should anyone have to go to the trouble of making up their own minds when they're being told what to believe? You might as well go ahead and just say it, ex. Hello again, Steve:

You're telling me that, at the same time linking me to an article that told YOU what to think. You DO realize that I hardly read the crap you guys post. If I was interested in right wing propaganda, I know where to find it...

You also realize, don't you, that I seldom link you to stuff. That's because I make up my own mind. I don't need help.

excon

You're telling me that, at the same time linking me to an article that told YOU what to think. You DO realize that I hardly read the crap you guys post. If I was interested in right wing propaganda, I know where to find it...

You also realize, don't you, that I seldom link you to stuff. That's because I make up my own mind. I don't need help. LOL! Well done!

You DO realize that I hardly read the crap you guys post.

Perhaps that's why you misunderstand what we have said as often as you do.

Elliot

Perhaps that's why you misunderstand what we have said as often as you do.

And NK thought ex's was well done. And since they don't read what we post they'll never know how silly the look will they? :D

Hello again, Steve:

You're telling me that, at the same time linking me to an article that told YOU what to think. You DO realize that I hardly read the crap you guys post. If I was interested in right wing propaganda, I know where to find it...

You also realize, don't you, that I seldom link you to stuff. That's because I make up my own mind. I don't need help.

Now there's the difference between you and me, I can tell the difference between opinions, parody, news and satire. I can also discern which opinions are closer to reality based on facts and behavior. And get this, if you'd actually read what we post - including links to commentary, news, analysis and just plain facts - you might not be wrong so often.

Now there's the difference between you and me, I can tell the difference between opinions, parody, news and satire. I can also discern which opinions are closer to reality based on facts and behavior. And you've shown us that this website (Hot Air (http://hotair.com/)) is place where you believe the opinions are based on your reality. It certainly looks "fair and balanced" to me! :rolleyes:

And you've shown us that this website (Hot Air (http://hotair.com/)) is place where you believe the opinions are based on your reality. It certainly looks "fair and balanced" to me! :rolleyes:

Now see, there you go trying to shape people's opinions of me again. First of all I have never pretended Hotair wasn't conservative, I mean seriously NK, I know which sites lean which way. IF you'd paid attention I've cited sources from all over the spectrum because unlike you, excon and Obama I don't care where it comes from if it's true. I don't diminish against the truth just because of the source, which makes me much more tolerant and open-minded than you. :D

... which makes me much more tolerant and open-minded than you. Interesting since your whole 'raison d'etre" on this site is to constantly post your disdain for more than half of the population in your country. Excon and I don't do that, as well we help out at this site by answering questions in our field of knowledge; you do nothing of the sort, just the same types of posts day in day out to keep convincing yourself that your hatred of all things liberal is justified.

Interesting since your whole 'raison d'etre" on this site is to constantly post your disdain for more than half of the population in your country.

Interesting that two posts in a row you've tried to shape people's opinion of me instead of addressing the issue.


excon and I don't do that, as well we help out at this site by answering questions in our field of knowledge; you do nothing of the sort, just the same types of posts day in day out to keep convincing yourself that your hatred of all things liberal is justified.

A) I don't have hatred of all things liberal.

B) What I do here and why is none of your freakin' business.

Your posting history betrays what you say.

Your posting history betrays what you say.

No, your comprehension and objectivity are lacking.

Hello again, Steve:

On another post, you correctly identified as racist, the actions of Justice of the Peace Bardwell in La. Would it come as a shock to you that he, like the limp dude, denies that he's a racist??

Frankly, as much as you're apologizing for Limbaugh, after you read Bardwells explanation, you'll probably start apologizing for him. I don't see a tinkers damn worth of difference between explanations...

Bardwell denied on The Early Show that he broke any laws.

"The law says that I cannot deny mixed race marriages," he said. "And that means prevent them from getting married. And I did not prevent them getting married."

"I'm sorry, you know, that I offended the couple, but I did help them and tell them who to go to and to get married," he said.

"And they went and got married, and they should be happily married, and I don't see what the problem is now."

And, I'll bet, neither do you.

excon

There is a big difference being accused of racism for things you've said as opposed to made up quotes attributed to you.

there is a big difference being accused of racism for things you've said as opposed to made up quotes attributed to you.Hello tom:

I'm not talking about the made up quotes. I'm talking about what he really said... That's sufficient. What he REALLY said is NOT is dispute.

What he MEANT, when he said what he said, is. You, like Bardwell, ask "wassa matta with that"? Other people don't have to ask.

excon

Hello tom:

I'm not talking about the made up quotes. I'm talking about what he really said... That's sufficient. What he REALLY said is NOT is dispute.

What he MEANT, when he said what he said, is. You, like Bardwell, ask "wassa matta with that"? Other people don't have to ask.



Well a quick check shows you specifically point to the parody song 'Barack the Magic Negro' and his comments about McNabb .


I guess the fact that the song was a parody of an editorial by a black author published in the LA Times is of no relevance. That this article by the author being satirized ;much like Rush's comments about McNabb were not about the candidate or the quarterback ,but instead commentary about the expectations of Obama and McNabb by others . Neither comments, commentaries or song parodies were racist at all .
Obama the 'Magic Negro' -- latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,3391015.story)

On another post, you correctly identified as racist, the actions of Justice of the Peace Bardwell in La. Would it come as a shock to you that he, like the limp dude, denies that he's a racist??

No shock at all, in fact I acknowledged his denial in my first post on the subject.


Frankly, as much as you're apologizing for Limbaugh, after you read Bardwells explanation, you'll probably start apologizing for him. I don't see a tinkers damn worth of difference between explanations...

You're getting even more crotchety lately, is that because Obama sucks so much more than you thought he would? If you can't see the difference between someone flat out saying he won't marry mixed race couples and then follows through on the promise and someone being attacked with made up stuff then I can't help you... but you make up your own mind anyway so you don't need facts to help you in that.


"And they went and got married, and they should be happily married, and I don't see what the problem is now."

And, I'll bet, neither do you.

If you would actually read our posts you'd know better.

I'm not talking about the made up quotes. I'm talking about what he really said... That's sufficient. What he REALLY said is NOT is dispute.

The outrage was manufactured so I see no difference.

Neither comments, ,commentaries or song parodies were racist at all .Hello again, tom:

And, neither were Bardwells. He DID help them get married, after all. He's a wonderful fellow. He has piles and piles of black friends... They even pee in his toilet, so of course, he's not a racist...

excon

PS> Didn't you mention some of Limbaugh's black friends as proof of his purity?? I'll bet THEY DON'T pee in the limp dude's golden toilet.

PS> Didn't you mention some of Limbaugh's black friends as proof of his purity?? I'll bet THEY DON'T pee in the limp dude's golden toilet.
Not that I can recall. Can you find that posting for me?

not that I can recall. Can you find that posting for me?Hello tom:

If you didn't, his other apologists did. Do you want me to find those?

excon

Not necessary . I speak for myself.

It was me, but I guess for you a man is not really known by the company he keeps.

Rush - black friends, black right-hand man, black heroes, black guest hosts, black guests = racist.

Obama - socialist friends, racist pastor and mentor, Mao loving, communist/socialist/9-11 truther/man-boy love apologist administration officials = Hero/savior.

It was me, but I guess for you a man is not really known by the company he keeps.

Rush - black friends, black right-hand man, black heroes, black guest hosts, black guests = racist..Hello again, Steve:

Sure he is - Bardwell = piles and piles of black friends - they EVEN pee in his toilet.

excon

PS> We can talk about Obama in another thread, if you like, but this one is about that racist limp dude...

/man-boy love Like these?
STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA (http://www.pedophileophobia.com/stop_republican_pedophilia.htm)

Sure he is - Bardwell = piles and piles of black friends - they EVEN pee in his toilet.

You're having trouble distinguishing between facts - Limbaugh's actual friends and associates, and assertions - Bardwell's claim.

Further proof that "divisive" has variable meanings to the NFL. A quote from current minority owner of the Miami Dolphins Jennifer Lopez, co-writer and performer of these lyrics:

“And the game done chose me to bring pain to niggas and pu$$y holes, they one in the same.” - I’m Real, by Jennifer Lopez

Like these?
STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA (http://www.pedophileophobia.com/stop_republican_pedophilia.htm)

No, those are Republican scumbags, we're discussing current administration officials that are Democrat scumbags.

No, those are Republican scumbags,Birds of a feather...

Birds of a feather ....

More importantly, the people currently in charge.

You're having trouble distinguishing between facts - Limbaugh's actual friends and associates, and assertions - Bardwell's claim. Hello again, Steve:

I haven't been to Bardwells house. You haven't either... I also haven't been to the limp dudes house. I don't think you have either. It is TELLING that you accept the limp ones claim, but you reject Bardwell's. Why is that? Faith? Looks like YOU'RE the one who's having trouble making distinctions.

Given what they've both said, the EVIDENCE leads me to conclude that they're BOTH liars.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not a racist. I have no black friends. I don't associate with any of 'em either. Do I have to have a black friend to qualify?

You know, it's an old Jewish joke, that when people say some of their best friends are Jewish, we say that there aren't enough of us to go around...

excon

I haven't been to Bardwells house. You haven't either... I also haven't been to the limp dudes house. I don't think you have either. It is TELLING that you accept the limp ones claim, but you reject Bardwell's. Why is that? Faith? Looks like YOU'RE the one who's having trouble making distinctions.

No trouble at all but you obviously have no trouble making assumptions. I don't have to go to Rush's house to know he isn't a racist. The facts are easily confirmed.

I KNOW he frequently has Walter Williams (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Walter-E-Williams/56914161828?v=feed&story_fbid=164602797784) as a guest host.

I KNOW Rush cites Thomas Sowell (http://www.tsowell.com/) as one of his conservative heroes, who has also appeared on Rush's show as a guest (http://mediamatters.org/iphone/columns/200909040039).

I KNOW Rush admires Tony Dungy, who has also appeared on Rush's show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81_6r1XjnKs).

I Know Rush's call screener (http://www.zimbio.com/Bo+Snerdly/articles/G1cjNP_lE7x/Bo+Snerdly+Limbaugh+producer+certified+black) and right-hand man is a black man.

I KNOW Rush is friends with Clarence Thomas, who officiated at his wedding (which was held in Thomas' home (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3920488)) and has also appeared on his show (http://www.correntewire.com/why_is_clarence_thomas_supporting_rush_limbaugh_by _appearing_on_his_show_after_rush_said_troops_are_ phonies).

I KNOW Rush has at least yearly interviews on his show with his good friend Ken Hutcherson (http://www.abchurch.org/our-staff/the-senior-pastor.html).


Given what they've both said, the EVIDENCE leads me to conclude that they're BOTH liars.

Again you have facts on one side and a moron that thinks a black person using his bathroom means he isn't a racist. In other words, YOU got nothing to back up your rhetoric.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not a racist. I have no black friends. I don't associate with any of 'em either. Do I have to have a black friend to qualify??

You know, it's an old Jewish joke, that when people say some of their best friends are Jewish, we say that there aren't enough of us to go around....

When Rush's black friends come to his defense you still think there aren't enough to go around.

Celtics Win It on a Knockout--and Points - Dantley Suffers Concussion, Pistons Suffer Consequences - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-31/sports/sp-9422_1_boston-celtics)


"He's white--that's the only reason he gets it," Rodman said. "I think he's very overrated."

To which Thomas said: "I think Larry is a very, very good basketball player. He's an exceptional talent. But I have to agree with Rodman. If he were black, he'd be just another good guy."







I have not read through this entire thread, and what while Rush said about McNabb was not good, I don't think it was racist. But nobody brings up the fact that what Isaiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman said was racist? Yet Thomas has had various managerial and ownership positions. It is not like he is any good at either.


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