Hello:

Ohio is looking into backup procedures in case the standard execution techniques fail, as they did on Sept. 15, when technicians at the state prison in Lucasville tried for over two hours to maintain an intravenous connection in order to inject Romell Broom with lethal drugs for the abduction, rape and murder of a teenage girl in 1984.

The governor has stopped further executions while they go back to the drawing board.

If we're going to execute people, how do you think we should do it? Vote for as many items as you wish.

excon

PS> (edited) I'm reminded that I forgot stoning, the firing squad and tarring and feathering.

If the person is a child molester can we mutilate them as well.

::shrugs::

Sarah

I put "Other" as for me it deopends on the crime...

If they raped a child then they themselves get raped repeatedly before being killed...

If they bashed their spouse to death, then perhaps a public stoning would be good.

If they tortured an animal let them be attacked by animals... (ok, OK not death penalty worthy but I would sure enjoy it)

You get my idea anyway...

But WWJD?

What I don't understand is why does it take so long to execute someone after they have been condemned? I work with someone who had to wait THIRTY YEARS to see justice done after 6 members of her family were brutally killed.

I read somewhere that it takes about 1 million dollars, on average, to try, hold, retry, hold some more, and to finally execute a death row prisoner.

In California, it takes more money and time.

Will Scott Peterson ever be executed?

I think capital punishment is a necessary deterrant, but the process is not without flaws.

Have we ever executed an innocent person? I think the answer is indeed yes.

I would rather be put to death by mistake, than to do away with the death penalty.

Like Shaz said, there should be penalty equal to the crime committed.

Child molesters, and child killers, would be subject to the harshest of punishment.

Let the punishment fit the crime.

If someone shoots his victims, let him go before the firing squad.

If he strangles his victims, let him be hung.

If he bashes their skulls in, let him have his skull bashed in.

If he's a serial rapist, let him be raped first and then cut his _________ off and let him bleed to death.

Or...

We could just go with the Biblical forms of execution, as explained in the talmud:

Skilla - stoning (dropped off a cliff and then stoned)
Srefa - burning (forced to drink molten lead)
Hereg - stabbing (run through with a sword or pike)
Chenek - strangulation (a rope is wrapped around the criminal's neck and both ends of the rope are pulled by two different people)

That works for me too.

Elliot

But WWJD?

He would take my punishment for me.

He would take my punishment for me.So is that what you would do? Take the punishment for someone else?

Starvations is reserved for granny and Terri Schiavo.

So is that what you would do? Take the punishment for someone else?

I'm not Jesus, but feel free to jump in and take the hit for someone.

Ok, I was wondering how that all played out.

I agree with everything ET has said. But since I am a little twisted I think we should take it a step further then public hangings. Lets make it a Pay Per View event like boxing, wrestling, or MMA. There is a lot of money to be made here. A large portion of the money would go to the victims families and the rest to pay for expenses.

I agree with everything ET has said. But since I am a little twisted I think we should take it a step further then public hangings. Lets make it a Pay Per View event like boxing, wrestling, or MMA. There is a lot of money to be made here. A large portion of the money would go to the victims families and the rest to pay for expenses.

I LIKE it!!

Works for me.

I agree with everything ET has said. But since I am a little twisted I think we should take it a step further then public hangings. Lets make it a Pay Per View Hello spit:

I think it should be FREE. What? Poor people shouldn't be allowed to see justice met out? Make it prime time too, and in Hi Def - don't want to leave the kiddies out.

excon

Off subject... Philly's best move of the year. Ibanez in Burrell out. But what to do about relief ?

Back to op

Does 'other' include vacumming out of womb?

Hello spit:

I think it should be FREE. What? Poor people shouldn't be allowed to see justice met out? Make it prime time too, and in Hi Def - don't wanna leave the kiddies out.

excon

You think EVERYTHING should be free for poor people, regardless of cost. Health care, food, clothing, shelter, cars, TV, gas, electric, cell phones, computers... it should all be free for everyone... and the rich should be taxed to pay for it all... whee.

Does 'other' include vacumming out of womb?

How about the crushing of skulls with foreceps?

make those god damned poor people pay to use the roads, and while we're at it they should pay for firemen to put out their fires - bugger freeloaders!

I think they should do away with prisons all together. They should have jails for petty crimes. Otherwise, put a bullet in their head and let that be the end of it. Don't hold them in a cell and feed them every day. Screw that. They committed a crime so they deserve to be punished. I think people would think twice about raping someone if they knew it meant a bullet in the head or if they stole something and we chopped their hands off. It is only fair. You obey the law or be punished. Is it that hard to understand?

You are right Ex poor people shouldn't be left out. Then how about pay like 5 bucks and watch it at a movie theater. If you want to watch it at home 20 bucks in Standard Def 25 bucks for HD then if you have a TiVo, DVR, or VCR you can record it for the kiddies to watch. It's a Win Win.

I think they should do away with prisons all together. They should have jails for petty crimes. Otherwise, put a bullet in their head and let that be the end of it. Don't hold them in a cell and feed them every day. Screw that. They committed a crime so they deserve to be punished. I think people would think twice about raping someone if they knew it meant a bullet in the head or if they stole something and we chopped their hands off. It is only fair. You obey the law or be punished. Is it that hard to understand?You sound like a devout muslim.

make those god damned poor people pay to use the roads, and while we're at it they should pay for firemen to put out their fires - bugger freeloaders!

Make the rich pay for EVERYONE to use the roads and the firemen... in the process making the rich poor... leaving nobody to pay for the roads anymore. Socialism in action.

RAUUUUUUUL turned out to be a Genius move. I love Pat the Bat but he can't run or field at all. The AL playing DH is where he belongs!

Hello:

Maybe a civil war IS what we need. The blues against the reds... Do you mind being called reds? Ironic, isn't it?

excon

I have to say I have always been Red when it comes to the death penalty. Other then that I am Blue.

Hello:

Maybe a civil war IS what we need. The blues against the reds... Do you mind being called reds? Ironic, isn't it?

excon

Don't mind at all, and the blues aren't so bad sometimes, especially that hot thing that was dancing with Tom DeLay last night.

Hello again:

If, in fact, our wishes came true, and we could see ourselves butcher another human being on TV, the death penalty would be history.

You are NOT as brutal as you pretend you are, my friends...

Ok, maybe the Wolverine is.

excon

You are NOT as brutal as you pretend you are, my friends...I respectfully disagree.

NK, I was just posting my view on it, that is all.

Ex, I think a civil war is already in the process and we just don't know it yet.

I think they should do away with prisons all together. They should have jails for petty crimes. Otherwise, put a bullet in their head and let that be the end of it. Don't hold them in a cell and feed them every day. Screw that. They committed a crime so they deserve to be punished. I think people would think twice about raping someone if they knew it meant a bullet in the head or if they stole something and we chopped their hands off. It is only fair. You obey the law or be punished. Is it that hard to understand?

I'm liking this idea. People always think there's a way out of something and if the government provides NO way out then I really do believe people would think twice. I use to be against death penalty until my daughter was born; if someone were to ever do her harm I would want them to be rid of in the worst possible way. :) Lovely, huh!

After careful consideration I have opted for the 4th option. Dr.Joe Guillotine got it right. It is the most humane form of execution and the terror effect is a deterent . Chalk one up for the French !

After careful consideration I have opted for the 4th option. Dr.Joe Guillotine got it right. It is the most humane form of execution and the terror effect is a deterent . Chalk one up for the French !


So true!

I'm liking this idea. People always think there's a way out of something and if the government provides NO way out then I really do believe people would think twice. I use to be against death penalty until my daughter was born; if someone were to ever do her harm I would want them to be rid of in the worst possible way. :) Lovely, huh!

I am glad you think the same way. Why waste the money to give them a place to sleep and something to eat when we could save millions if we just killed them for their crime. I keep my house secured and I am always armed. If someone breaks into my house, I will kill them because they do not deserve a chance in the world anymore.

Perhaps the republicans should draft up a bill to legislate death by guillotine.

You can't kill people for jaywalking the punishment has to fit the crime.

Did you know they did away with the guillotine because it is inhumane and you actually feel the pain for it the most. You still feel the pain after your head is cut off.

You can't kill people for jaywalking the punishment has to fit the crime.

That is an example of a petty crime. Give them a warning or a ticket. You don't kill people like that.

I am glad you think the same way. Why waste the money to give them a place to sleep and something to eat when we could save millions if we just killed them for their crime. I keep my house secured and I am always armed. If someone breaks into my house, I will kill them because they do not deserve a chance in the world anymore.

Exactly! I keep an ax in my car. So if anyone ever tries to pull a number on me, they are getting whacked to death. And you are right... they just don't deserve a second chance. On another thought, I remember having this conversation with my grandfather when I was a little girl. Yes, he was an interesting man. His idea for punishment for murder and things of that nature was to strap the criminal to a chair in an ER and make them watch people go in and out and then execute them.

Exactly! I keep an ax in my car. So if anyone ever tries to pull a number on me, they are getting whacked to death. And you are right...they just don't deserve a second chance. On another thought, I remember having this conversation with my grandfather when I was a little girl. Yes, he was an interesting man. His idea for punishment for murder and things of that nature was to strap the criminal to a chair in an ER and make them watch people go in and out and then execute them.

That would be an interesting idea. I like your axe idea, I like to keep a knife with me or a gun. I don't like to be messed with and people are untrustworthy today.

Perhaps the republicans should draft up a bill to legislate death by guillotine.

Too French. Oh wait, the French are actually getting a pair while Obama castrates the country.

I think they should do away with prisons all together. They should have jails for petty crimes. Otherwise, put a bullet in their head and let that be the end of it. Don't hold them in a cell and feed them every day. Screw that. They committed a crime so they deserve to be punished. I think people would think twice about raping someone if they knew it meant a bullet in the head or if they stole something and we chopped their hands off. It is only fair. You obey the law or be punished. Is it that hard to understand?

A man after my own heart! :)

Why do people object to a punishment that fits the crime.

I sure will not want someone who has raped or murdered or done anything brutal to be fed clothed and live without doing a days work to earn his bread, at the expense of the state.

I also think the family of the victim should have a say in the punishment if the person committed murder, like the murderer pay them or if the family wishes death by whichever means allowed by the courts.

It is giving the criminals an incentive, do as you want and all you will get is a slap on the wrist and free to do as you want.

Obviously the person has to be proven to have committed the crime.

You still feel the pain after your head is cut off.Hello adam:

They know that how? Locker room interview?

excon

The head lamented "I aint got nobody " .

Hello adam:

They know that how? Locker room interview?

excon

I don't have the sources in front of me but there was once a guy who was against the guillotine and wanted it abollished because it was to inhumane. When the time came that he was to have his head chopped off he said if he still felt the pain and was alive for a few seconds after the loss of his head he would blink his eyes 3 times. Well sure enough, his head rolls off and he blinks his eyes 3 times. I learned that in history class but as I just typed it out, it sounded like a load of crap.

Hello again:

If, in fact, our wishes came true, and we could see ourselves butcher another human being on TV, the death penalty would be history.

You are NOT as brutal as you pretend you are, my friends...

Ok, maybe the Wolverine is.

excon

There's a REASON that I picked the avatar and screen name that I have.

Elliot

Or it could be nerve reactions . I once saw a cat that was crushed dead bounce around on the ground for some time before all motion ceased.

Let's assume that the criminal DID actually feel pain after the use of the guillotine. Let's assume that it is even a LOT of pain.

Is that a reason to BAN the guillotine?

Heck, as far as I'm concerned, that's a good reason to bring it back.

When did we get the idea that punishments, including executions, aren't supposed to hurt the criminal?

Avoiding "cruel and inhuman" punishment doesn't mean that the punishment has to be "pain free".

Elliot

Let's assume that the criminal DID actually feel pain after the use of the guillotine. Let's assume that it is even a LOT of pain.

Is that a reason to BAN the guillotine?

Heck, as far as I'm concerned, that's a good reason to bring it back.

When did we get the idea that punishments, including executions, aren't supposed to hurt the criminal?

Avoiding "cruel and inhuman" punishment doesn't mean that the punishment has to be "pain free".

Elliot

Hey, I agree with you 100%. I was just saying what I had learned. I think the person should be inflicted with more pain then they inflicted on another. I think it shoule be the eye for an eye kind of deal.

Ok, first we need to starve the criminal, then we need to hang him by the neck until done, then we need to chop of his head. This will definitely preclude any hope for an appeal of his sentence if the needle doesn't stay in their veins.

Actually, I would think vaporizing the person would be very useful then there is no pesky body to take up burial space in the cemetery.

And televising this gruesome mess is definitely harking back to the Colisseum and the gladiators and the Christians being fed to the lions, tigers and stomped to death by elephants. And you want this sort of entertainment?? Huh?? Just watch a few old war movies and get enough killing or the movie series "SAW" if you want blood, guts, and gore.

I'm with Adam on prisons. As punishment, warehousing a person with food, healthcare, recreational facilities, and other bad guys to learn from is stupid. It was set up as rehabilitation and does not seem to have worked very well for that, either.

For minor crimes, my vote is restitution and (not or) public flogging.

For capital crimes, a rope is cheap and reusable, if not always certain. The gas chamber is as reliable as condoms.

I don't believe in death penalty since the system is not 100% perfect - e.g.. Oj Simpson. They should have there crime tattooed to their forehead. I heard there is honor among criminals. No workout room or weights. They should dig a hole then fill it up all the rest of the days of their lives. No TV. No reading materials for lifers. If they can't dig holes and fill them up then they can clean bathrooms with their tongue. Diet will consist of beans water bread and vegetables only. If they are not able to do the digging or cleaning then they can be the practice subjects for healthcare traing: foley catheters, chest tubes, intubAtions, central lines, colonoscopies etc.


G&P

And televising this gruesome mess is definitely harking back to the Colisseum and the gladiators and the Christians being fed to the lions, tigers and stomped to death by elephants. And you want this sort of entertainment???????? Huh??? Just watch a few old war movies and get enough killing or the movie series "SAW" if you want blood, guts, and gore.

You know twinkie that is a great idea. Forget the executions lets bring back the Coliseum. But this time no killing Christians just because they are Christian. You have two murders in there that fight to the death. You win you just get to fight another day. It would be HUGE!! Think about it MMA or cage fighting (whatever you want to call it) is really big right now people love it. It is not too much different then the Gladiators except there is no killing. Can you Imagine a fight card where everyone who loses dies. Pay Per View money for that would be through the roof.

I see having Vick in the city of brotherly love is bring out the best in you Spit.:D

I respectfully disagree.Hello again, NK:

I look around at us driving our BMW's, drinking our Starbucks, all dressed up in suits and ties... and I get to thinking... "look at us.... We're CIVILIZED.. We've progressed beyond the Coliseum. We're traveling in space, for crying out loud.."

But, we haven't. You're right.

excon

It might be that Tom. On a different note Good Luck with the Twins today. That game last night was great!

I don't believe in death penalty since the system is not 100% perfect - eg. Oj Simpson. They should have there crime tattooed to their forehead. I heard there is honor among criminals. No workout room or weights. They should dig a hole then fill it up all the rest of the days of their lives. No tv. No reading materials for lifers. If they can't dig holes and fill them up then they can clean bathrooms with their tongue. Diet will consist of beans water bread and vegetables only. If they are not able to do the digging or cleaning then they can be the practice subjects for healthcare traing: foley catheters, chest tubes, intubAtions, central lines, colonoscopies etc.


G&P

I say forget feeding them at all. They shouldn't be rewarded with food for doing something wrong such as murder or rape or molesting. I don't see the problem with it being like, hey, You killed that person, guess what? BANG, then they are dead. No more problems out of them. Anybody else want to die for doing a crime? I didn't think so. If so, I have a bullet with your name on it.

Ex
We really aren't all that civilized Think about this. Football is one of America's biggest sports. Most people walking down the street would not stop and watch a pickup game of football.

But if two people are fighting in the middle of the street I would say most people would stop and watch the two people fighting. They wouldn't just stop they would pull out their cell phones and record it so they can show their friends what they missed. And they would cheer.

On a different note Good Luck with the Twins today. That game last night was great!

Good double header today with the Phillies followed by the Yank game.

Yes the game was great... but I could start another whole discussion about how the expanded Sept rosters screw up the game of baseball.

But if two people are fighting in the middle of the street I would say most people would stop and watch the two people fighting. They wouldn't just stop they would pull out their cell phones and record it so they can show their friends what they missed. And they would cheer.Hello again, spit:

I don't disagree at all...

But you're talking about fist fighting... I'd watch too. I'm a BIG fan of the sport of MMA... I LOVE watching men kick a$$. But, it's SPORT.

What YOU folks are talking about here is MAYHEM against people... Oh, I UNDERSTAND the talk. I was a talker once too... But, as I suggested above, I think it's ONLY talk... Most of the talkers have never actually seen MAYHEM against people. I'm thinking that if they DID, they'd be turned OFF by it - not turned ON as many of you appear to be...

But, I'm a guy who HAS seen MAYHEM against people. So, I think if people saw two men cutting each other's guts out with knives, they would turn away... and they wouldn't be cheering..

excon

I have seen my fill of Mayhem here in North Philly (and so has my wife so we are moving to the suburbs at the end of the month). I've seen a guys head cracked open with a baseball bat when I was 16. I've seen a person get shot before who was only 100 feet away from me. It is brutal. You are right seeing a persons brain on the pavement isn't something you forget.

Hello again, NK:

I look around at us driving our BMW's, drinking our Starbucks, all dressed up in suits and ties.... and I get to thinking... "look at us.... We're CIVILIZED.. We've progressed beyond the Coliseum. We're traveling in space, for crying out loud.."

But, we haven't. You're right.

excon

Ex,

You are right ON! Oh man I could do some good preachin here... but I will refrain. You don't ever listen to me anyway!

I am not for the death penalty... that doesn't mean I don't believe there are people who deserve to die... I just couldn't make that call. ( of course I haven't had someone I loved brutally murdered either)

Would it be cruel and unusual punishment for the person sentenced to death to get to pick the way the wanted to die? I guess I'd pick lethal injection. Only I wouldn't want to know when the needle was coming... just sometime when I least expected. I think the anticipation would be far worse than whatever form of death one chose. Just my thoughts. Someone on AMHD told me just today I had "ill formed rationality". So... maybe I'm not nearly as brilliant as I think... :)

Spit,

I would stop to watch a fight... not because I thought it was entertaining.. but I would be shocked. I would hope I would call the police. I don't know but I really hate violence. Even when people are just yelling and cursing at one another, I get upset! But I live in a small town where everyone knows everyone. I suppose like everything else, you get a little hardened to what you see all the time.

Classy,
You do sort of become numb to it. But there comes appoint where enough is enough. The grade schools are violent in Philly the high schools are even crazier (of course not all of them). When I was in high school there was a fight after every period. And it wasn't just one on one it was street vs street you know. I tried to stay out of it but you really can't avoid it all that well. I am actually looking forward to moving to the suburbs. I love the city but every night there are guns shots then sirens. It gets to be too much. I don't even watch Horror movies because real life for me was much scarier then that.

It is funny though when we went to look at the house we are buying we were in the back yard and I heard guns shots lots of them. I looked at the real estate agent and said aren't we in the suburbs and he laughed and said there is a gun range a few miles away. I can deal with that.

It is funny though when we went to look at the house we are buying we were in the back yard and I heard guns shots lots of them. I looked at the real estate agent and said aren't we in the suburbs and he laughed and said there is a gun range a few miles away. I can deal with that.

In my neighborhood that would be the deer and turkey hunters.

I know there is a state park near where I am moving (I think Tyler state park) and they have deer hunts there. So that is pretty cool.

Today we celebrate the 42 anniversary of the execution of Che . Chalk one up for the firing squad !

I think the good old electric chair is good. Lethal injection is too pleasant, murderers should die in a painful manner.