I have been following the story of the census worker that was found hung with his feet and hands taped and his census bureau name tag taped to his forehead. They are saying that it may have been suicide. That if it was homicide the person may not have known he worked for the census bureau.
HOW do you hang yourself after taping your hands and feet? Why would you tape your name tag to your forehead?
How does someone not know they worked for the census bureau when they took the time to tape their tag to their forehead? (Unless of course they can't read... but then again that maybe makes them dumbed down?)

'Dumbed down' is being kind to the low lives that did this NH.

Very true Stringer
But the people who want to be PC and look at it as maybe a suicide... where are their brains?

very true Stringer
but the people who want to be PC and look at it as maybe a suicide....where are their brains?

Where are the brains of the people who are PC anyway? How do you avoid racism by referring to a persons race? How dumb can you get?

If you want to call walking into the backwoods of Appalachia alone and announcing to everyone you meet that you work for the federal government suicide, I'll agree. There are still stills up that way, and the folks who run them have kids that cook up more potent stuff than corn liquor.

Suicide - I don't think so

Domestic terrorism a la McVeigh - I doubt that, too.

Stumble over something illegal - most likely.

I have been following the story of the census worker that was found hung with his feet and hands taped and his census bureau name tag taped to his forehead. They are saying that it may have been suicide. That if it was homicide the person may not have known he worked for the census bureau.
HOW do you hang yourself after taping your hands and feet? Why would you tape your name tag to your forehead?
How does someone not know they worked for the census bureau when they took the time to tape their tag to their forehead? (Unless of course they can't read....but then again that maybe makes them dumbed down?)

Do you think he was hung there as a message to stay out. I remember when my wife worked for the census in a rural area, there were people hiding all over the place

The full force of the Federal Law enforcement powers should swarm the area and find /prosecute the scum who did this .

I am not happy with the census . Having been subject to 3 different lengthy q/a sessions with a census taker this year I know how intrusive their work is . The questions have gone way beyond how many people are in the household into the most detailed aspects of my family income ,assets,finance ,spending ,education (for the American Community Survey (ACS)).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey
No ,it was not the IRS although I have no doubt this information will be shared .

Each of these sessions have been about 2 hours in length and I am getting phone calls for another session. The taker knows that in my view the questions go way beyond what would be considered a reasonable census.

Still ; this is an act of murder pure and simple ,and the government needs to make sure the people they hire are safe .

The full force of the Federal Law enforcement powers should swarm the area and find /prosecute the scum who did this .

I am not happy with the census . Having been subject to 3 different lengthy q/a sessions with a census taker this year I know how intrusive their work is . The questions have gone way beyond how many people are in the household into the most detailed aspects of my family income ,assets,finance ,spending ,education (for the American Community Survey (ACS)).
American Community Survey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey)
No ,it was not the IRS although I have no doubt this information will be shared .

Each of these sessions have been about 2 hours in length and I am getting phone calls for another session. The taker knows that in my view the questions go way beyond what would be considered a reasonable census.

Still ; this is an act of murder pure and simple ,and the government needs to make sure the people they hire are safe .

I agree Tom.

I agree with tom.

What is outrageous in the narrative are those who've jumped onto this as evidence of some right-wing conspiracy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-rosenberg/waking-up-to-the-coming-b_b_298326.html).

If anyone has a problem with counting illegals then they should read the constitution. Article 1 Sec 2 does not say count the citizens . It says count the whole Number of free Persons .(14th amendment got rid of the 3/5 compromise provision of the article. )
Once an illegal is here they must be counted according to the constitution.

The bigger problem is the fact that some don't want them COUNTED . They want to play statistical sleighs of hand to guess~timate how many are here instead of relying on the actual enumerated count. That I would contend is unconstitutional .

I don't have a problem with counting illegals, I just have a problem with nitwits whipping up more fears of radical right-wingers running rampant to wreak death and havoc on the country.

Bachmann Spread Fears Of Scary Stalking Census Workers (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/25/bill-sparkman-hate-crime/)

BILL SPARKMAN'S GRUESOME DEATH (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/020125.php)

Southern populist terrorism (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/no-suicide.html)

Conservatives' Census Paranoia (http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/conservatives-census-paranoia)

Can we discover the facts first?

Hello again, Steve:

Thanks for the link: Think Progress Flashback: Bachmann Spread Fears Of Scary Stalking Census Workers (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/25/bill-sparkman-hate-crime/). I agree. Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck shouldn't be saying the stuff they do...

They don't realize that some rednecks actually BELIEVE them. They whip them up into a murderous frenzy, so it's not surprising that they killed to first fed to knock on their door. They ARE nitwits, aren't they?

excon

I just wonder why no one like Nancy Pelosi or that blogger at Think Left is taking to task the rioting and political violence by lefties in Pittsburg last week .

Hello again, Steve:

Thanks for the link: Think Progress Flashback: Bachmann Spread Fears Of Scary Stalking Census Workers (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/25/bill-sparkman-hate-crime/). I agree. Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck shouldn't be saying the stuff they do...

They don't realize that some rednecks actually BELIEVE them. They whip them up into a murderous frenzy, so it's not surprising that they killed to first fed to knock on their door. They ARE nitwits, aren't they?

Yeah that hick in Kentucky was probably subscribing to the Minnesota Senator's Twitter feed. You think those "rednecks" in the hills of Kentucky need Beck and Bachmann to tell them to be wary of Feds snooping around?

I just wonder why no one like Nancy Pelosi or that blogger at Think Left is taking to task the rioting and political violence by lefties in Pittsburg last week .

No, no, the story here was police brutality (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/108858) and military arrests (http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/130634.html).

I wonder if the rhetoric of pro-choice lefties is linked with Jim Pouillon murder?

Yeah that hick in Kentucky was probably subscribing to the Minnesota Senator's Twitter feed. You think those "rednecks" in the hills of Kentucky need Beck and Bachmann to tell them to be wary of Feds snooping around?Hello again, Steve:

I don't know. You're the one who gave the link.

excon

PS> Don't give that donk a promotion. She's a member of the HOUSE.

Hello again, Steve:

This is more from your link. I'll bet the rednecks get this right wing dude on their radios..

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Conservative radio host Neal Boortz told a caller, “Most of the rest of the [Census] information is designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers. They're looters.” Boortz urged his listeners to resist the Census workers. “If somebody comes to my — if a burglar came to your house, are you going to show him where the silverware is?” he asked. “Maybe you will if he pulls out a gun".
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With talk like that, I'll bet there'll be MORE violence. Not you, huh? Okee doakee.

excon

I wonder if the rhetoric of pro-choice lefties is linked with Jim Pouillon murder?Hello tom:

IF the rhetoric accused him of being a KILLER, it probably did... But, of course, the pro-choice lefties don't act that way, do they?

Keep digging, though. Here's what REALLY happened...

Police say the gunman had grudges against several people and didn't like Pouillon holding a sign with graphic images of a fetus in front of students. Authorities believe they stopped a third slaying by catching up with the gunman before he could kill again.

"The defendant had ill will toward these three individuals — not for the same reason necessarily, but had a grudge," said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry.

Authorities charged Harlan James Drake, 33, with first-degree murder. He was arraigned by video without an attorney and ordered held without bond. Authorities said he was a truck driver who mostly lived on the road in his cab and had family in the area, but they were mystified by what may have led him to kill.

The county's chief assistant prosecutor, Sara Edwards, said there didn't appear to be a "triggering event" but Pouillon's presence outside the school seemed to aggravate Drake. It was "the fact that he was outside the high school with his signs in front of children going to school," she said.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know. You're the one who gave the link.

Don't play dumb, you know the answer to that.


PS> Don't give that donk a promotion. She's a member of the HOUSE.

My mistake, I don't particularly want to give any of them a promotion :D

Hello again, Steve:

This is more from your link. I'll bet the rednecks get this right wing dude on their radios..

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Conservative radio host Neal Boortz told a caller, “Most of the rest of the [Census] information is designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers. They’re looters.” Boortz urged his listeners to resist the Census workers. “If somebody comes to my — if a burglar came to your house, are you going to show him where the silverware is?” he asked. “Maybe you will if he pulls out a gun".
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With talk like that, I'll bet there'll be MORE violence. Not you, huh? Okee doakee.

Goodness ex, we've been down this road so many times already. Do you really think that many Americans are so nuts they can't refrain from violence after listening to a talk show? What's amazing is you guys will always find a link between some conservative and some isolated incident no matter what. Boortz is mild when compared to some of the vicious nonsense on the left. A few examples from northern California in the last few years:

http://www.zombietime.com/anarchist_bookfair_march_18_2006/IMG_5894.JPG

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/120-2044_IMG.JPG

http://www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marines_2-12-2008/IMG_1313.JPG

Feel free to browse the site (http://www.zombietime.com/) to see America's angry, perverted leftists in all their glory, then tell us again how bad Boortz is.

Seems like these redneck hicks hillbilly conservatives in Clay County have this hobby of growing pot and running Meth labs;(not exactly a conservative hobby) and the Feds know it. One wonders why they would not have warned Sparkman that he was wandering into a dangerous place.

Seems like these redneck hicks hillbilly conservatives in Clay County have this hobby of growing pot and running Meth labs;(not exactly a conservative hobby) and the Feds know it. One wonders why they would not have warned Sparkman that he was wandering into a dangerous place.

Exactly. I know I wouldn't wander into the area if I could possibly help it.

I grew up in those hills (Tennessee, not Kentucky) and I know better than to go wandering around alone in the hollers.

I know that there is no real connection. But the idea that Sparkman's death was a suicide sort of reminds me of the death of Vince Foster and how that was called a suicide too...

Supposedly Foster shot himself in the head (multiple times?) while in the park where most of his blood and brains were found, and then walked back to his office to die. And it was ruled a suicide.

And supposedly Sparkman tied his own hands behind his back, his feet together, stuck his name-tag to his forehead, and then hanged himself... and people are also trying to say that it was a suicide.

No, I'm not trying to argue that there's some sort of conspiracy. I just find it funny 1) how gullible some people are, and 2) how bad some people are at faking a suicide.

Elliot

I worked on the census before and I never will again. Having to put up with abuse from illiterate riffraff for barely above minimum wage is just not worth it.

I bet it sucked working those Democrat districts.

I bet it sucked working those Democrat districts.


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Elliot

Here in Canada we call them Liberals or even worse, the NDP.

Seems like these redneck hicks hillbilly conservatives in Clay County have this hobby of growing pot and running Meth labs;(not exactly a conservative hobby) and the Feds know it. One wonders why they would not have warned Sparkman that he was wandering into a dangerous place.

First - this is a tragedy and whoever or those responsible need to be caught and charged.
Second - meth, pot, pills are big problems in this are as they are in other rural areas. I would be surprised if political ideology was the cause of this man's death.


G&P

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Of course it had nothing to do with political ideology. I was responding to the dialogue related to Steve's reply #9

Speaking of a dumbed down America (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-polanski1-2009oct01,0,1755914.story), Harvey Weinstein who is circulating a petition signed by over a hundred Hollywood glitterati defending Roman Polanksi (who raped a 13-year-old girl), claims "Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion."

Whoopi Goldberg says the director didn't really commit rape, and Debra Winger complains "the whole art world suffers" because of Polanksi's arrest.

Even worse, Peg Yorkin, founder of the Feminist Majority Foundation said “My personal thoughts are let the guy go. It’s bad a person was raped. But that was so many years ago. The guy has been through so much in his life.[/QUOTE]

Oddly enough, one of the saner voices in this is NOW, which gave a smack-down (http://www.now.org/news/blogs/index.php/sayit/2009/09/30/shame-on-polanski-apologists-but-thanks-for-demonstrating-how-far-we-still-have-to-go) to these people. This pathetic child rapist has "suffered enough" and Hollywood "has the best moral compass?"

Pathetic.

The left is shockingly misogynistic and anti-feminist . I'm shocked any of them would give a pass to a statutory rapist/sodomizer.

The guy has been through so much in his life

Living on the lam in Europe as royalty and carrying on his profession must be tough.

I will say that I do not wish what happened to him regarding the murder of his pregnant wife .That would've scarred me for life and perhaps it messed up his mind.

Now Sharon Tate's sister says what he did was consentual sex ? But the facts are clear;he got a 13 year old girl drunk and drugged before he preyed on her.

Watch closely, he's going to have some Johnny Cochran wannabe petition for a new trial because the original judge rejected his plea bargain. Brought to you by Proctor & Gamble on the new "all Roman all the time" court TV

I don't have a problem with counting illegals, I just have a problem with nitwits whipping up more fears of radical right-wingers running rampant to wreak death and havoc on the country.

Bachmann Spread Fears Of Scary Stalking Census Workers (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/25/bill-sparkman-hate-crime/)

BILL SPARKMAN'S GRUESOME DEATH (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/020125.php)

Southern populist terrorism (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/no-suicide.html)

Conservatives' Census Paranoia (http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/conservatives-census-paranoia)

Can we discover the facts first?

And the facts are in (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9C631A81)...


A Kentucky census worker found naked, bound with duct tape and hanging from a tree with "fed" scrawled on his chest killed himself but staged his death to make it look like a homicide, authorities said Tuesday.

Bill Sparkman, 51, was found Sept. 12 near a cemetery in a heavily wooded area of southeastern Kentucky. A man who found the body in the Daniel Boone National Forest has said Sparkman also was gagged and had an identification badge taped to his neck.

Authorities said Sparkman alone manipulated the scene to conceal a suicide. Police said he had talked with others about ending his life, though authorities did not say specifically who in a news release.

Sparkman had recently taken out two life insurance policies that would not pay out for suicide, authorities said. If Sparkman had been killed on the job, his family also would have been be eligible for up to $10,000 in death gratuity payments from the government.

Now what was all that rampant knee-jerking about?

To follow up as Speech already has done.

Police: Census worker made death look like homicide to get money - Latest News - Kentucky.com (http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/1032979.html?storylink=omni_popular)

I was surprised to see this detail in the "Herald Leader," a McClatchey affiliated paper that is clearly left of center.


G&P