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tomder55
Sep 15, 2009, 10:18 AM
NY Attorney General Robert Morgethau is no right winger . He is a liberal who among other things spoke out in favor of the nomination of Sonya Sotomayor's appointment to SCOTUS .

But he knows about the growing ties between Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and the homical delusional mullocracy running Iran ,with their puppet President the Mahdi-hatter .



The leaders had said on Saturday that they plan to stand up against "imperialist" foes -- a reference to the United States and other nations opposing Iran's nuclear program -- by cooperating on a range of issues, including nuclear power.

"Expansion of Tehran-Caracas relations is necessary given their common interests, friends and foes," Ahmadinejad said after a meeting with Chavez, according to Iran's semiofficial FARS news agency.

Venezuela to export gasoline to Iran - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/07/iran.venezuela.gasoline/index.html?eref=rss_world)

Morgenthau's office has been following the money ,and has been actively pursuing and prosecuting instances of Iraninan money laundering .

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/business/worldbusiness/10bank.html?_r=1

But his concern goes much deeper than that . He makes it clear in a recent address at the Brooking Institute that he thinks this new cooperation between Venezuela and Iran poses an existential threat to the United States.


In the past year my Office has publicly announced two investigations that highlight the efforts of Iran to procure weapons materials despite U.S. and international economic sanctions designed to prevent Iran from developing long-range missile capacity and nuclear technology for military purposes. Our efforts uncovered a pervasive system of deceitful and fraudulent practices employed by Iranian entities to move money all over the world without detection, including through banks located in the jurisdiction I am responsible for protecting – Manhattan. Why did Iran go to these lengths? I believe the answer is simple: In order to pay for materials necessary to develop nuclear weapons, long-range missiles, and road-side bombs.

I believe the nature of Iran's relationship with Venezuela makes for a more dangerous Iran. The Iranians, calculating and clever in their diplomatic relations, have found the perfect ally in Venezuela. Venezuela has an established financial system that, with Chavez's help, can be exploited to avoid economic sanctions. As well, its geographic location is ideal for building and storing weapons of mass destruction far away from Middle Eastern states threatened by Iran's ambition (Israel) and from the eyes of the international community...

In Venezuela, Ahmadinejad and the hard-line Mullahs have found an ally who has stood by them as they crushed political freedoms and defied world consensus on its nuclear program. Both countries have pledged mutual scientific, technical and financial support. There is little reason to doubt Venezuela's support for Ahmadinejad's most important agenda, the development of a nuclear program and long-range missiles, and the destabilization of the region. For Iran, the lifeblood of their nuclear and weapons programs is the ability to use the international banking system to make payments for banned missile and nuclear materials. The opening of Venezuela's banks to the Iranians guarantees the continued development of nuclear technology and long-range missiles. The mysterious manufacturing plants, controlled by Iran, deep in the interior of Venezuela, give even greater concern.


III. With Iranian assistance Venezuela is bound to become a destabilizing force in Latin America

So why is Chavez willing to open up his country to a foreign nation with little in shared history or culture? I believe it is because his regime is corrupt, hell-bent on becoming a regional power, and fanatical in its approach to dealing with the U.S. The diplomatic overture of President Obama in shaking Chavez's hand in April at the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago is not a reason to assume a diminished threat from our neighbor to the south. In fact, with the groundwork laid years ago, we are entering a period where the fruits of the Iran-Venezuela bond will begin to ripen.

That means two of the world's most dangerous regimes, the self-described “axis of unity,” will be acting together in our backyard on the development of nuclear and missile technology. And it seems that for terrorist groups they have found the perfect operating ground for training and planning, and financing their activities through narco-trafficking.

Sound like the making of a story you've heard before? In 1962, President Kennedy stared down a nuclear threat to the United States when a leftist populist leader with a strong anti-American streak joined forces with the Soviet Union to bring nuclear weapons in proximity to our borders. JFK ended the Cuban missile crisis through resolve and tough diplomacy. Although the same threat level does not yet exist in Venezuela, the United States needs to be focused on Iran's expansionism wherever it occurs. read the whole address here :
New York County District Attorney's Office (http://manhattanda.org/whatsnew/inthenews/2009-09-08.shtml)

What he doesn't mention is that we were within minutes of WWIII in1962... that ,and the fact that Barack Obama is no Jack Kennedy

speechlesstx
Sep 15, 2009, 10:37 AM
And as a bonus, Russia plans on helping Hugo with his nuclear program (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aElQ3UEU9eYM), too.


Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said the South American country plans to develop a nuclear energy program with Russia and doesn't want to build an atomic bomb.

Chavez said that the country's oil and gas reserves won't last forever and the government will seek alternative energy sources. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin agreed to help Venezuela's nuclear energy program during a meeting in Moscow last week, Chavez said.

“We're not going to make an atomic bomb, so don't bother us like with Iran,” he said on state television. “We're going to develop nuclear energy with peaceful purposes.”

What could go wrong?

tomder55
Sep 15, 2009, 10:42 AM
“We're not going to make an atomic bomb, so don't bother us like with Iran,” he said on state television. “We're going to develop nuclear energy with peaceful purposes.”


Oh ;I feel better already.

You see the problem was that when the President extended the hand to Chavez ;he forgot to palm some Benjamins .
We are of course planning on countering this proliferation.
"The U.S. will take concrete steps. … We will begin the work of reducing our arsenals and stockpiles.” ( President Obama)

excon
Sep 15, 2009, 10:43 AM
But his concern goes much deeper than that . He makes it clear in a recent address at the Brooking Institute that he thinks this new cooperation between Venezuela and Iran poses an existential threat to the United States.

What he doesn't mention is that we were within minutes of WWIII in1962 ......that ,and the fact that Barack Obama is no Jack KennedyHello tom:

I agree. It remains to be seen, however, when and if Iranian nukes turn up in Venezuela, whether Barack Obama stands up.

The next thing is a diatribe on HOW this situation is directly attributable to the dufus and his HUGE, HUGE mistake in Iraq. We LOST. There are SOME neocons saying we won, but you're a guy who actually pays attention to things like this. Of course, it was apparent to me BEFORE during and after the surge. It's becoming more and more apparent to even the most ardent conservative...

So what was accomplished by the whole venture? Aside from the grotesque immorality, criminality, loss of innocent life and the disappearance of untold billions upon billions of dollars, the only real change seems to be that we replaced one brutal tyrant with another. Although the one that USED to be there at least was an ENEMY of and a CHECK against our current enemy - Iran. He also was NOT friendly with Osama Bin Laden..

The current Iraqi government is a strong ally, perhaps even a client of, that enemy... The only thing we accomplished in Iraq was to provide the largest possible benefit to our greatest enemy - Iran.

excon

tomder55
Sep 15, 2009, 11:02 AM
Before I comment ;please provide any evidence at all the Maliki government is a clent and ally with OBL . That is a new claim I've never heard before.

As I've said before. The sanctions against Iraq were failing due to various nations underming the UN programs they claimed to support. It wasn't going to be that long before they collapsed completely . Either Saddam had to be dealt with ,or we would not have one ;but two nations hell bent on the development of nuclear weapons. We know that as a fact.
Even assuming that the stockpiles of biological and chemical wmd we expected did not materialize ,there is no denying that 1. Saddam retained the means to reconstitute his program rapidly ,and that 2. we learned afterwards that Saddam's nuclear program and scientists was exported to Libya where the program continued until the Libyans caved.

What we knew for a fact was that Saddam was the bigger threat given the fact that 1. he used his weapons in warfare and domestic control and 2. he actively was supporting terrorist . You can call it a grotesque immorality, criminality,etc, and it would not be true. Iran as bad as they are have not invaded another country... yet . Saddam in less than a decade both invaded Iran ;and invaded and plundered Kuwait.

In fact ; had he remained in power ,I could make a case for an Iranian bomb program. The problem is that they have continued it even after the threat of Saddam was eliminated. The threat has just shifted to Iran being the greater one. I was in favor of dealing with that 4 years ago when it became clear that munitions being made there ,and planted by Iranian operatives were responsible for the greatest amt of US casualties.

Now I also disagree with your comments about Iraq is a loss . But I'd like this to stay on point.

excon
Sep 15, 2009, 11:10 AM
before I comment ;please provide any evidence at all the the Maliki government is a clent and ally with OBL . That is a new claim I've never heard before. Hello again, tom:

I make no such claim. Perhaps I could have been more articulate about it.

excon

earl237
Sep 15, 2009, 12:29 PM
I have also heard various reports that Russia is getting closer to Venezuela, Cuba and possibly Iran. Russia has sold weapons to Venezuela, and has loaned money to Cuba in exchange for being allowed to drill for oil off Cuba's shores.

tomder55
Sep 15, 2009, 01:30 PM
Cuba in exchange for being allowed to drill for oil off Cuba's shores.

And by extension off the Florida coast .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/drill-drill-drill-393388.html

Added to Steve's reply about Russia is this week's news that Venezuela will purchase Russian short range missiles... furthering the 1962 crisis comparsion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/world/americas/13venez.html

paraclete
Sep 15, 2009, 01:50 PM
NY Attorney General Robert Morgethau is no right winger . He is a liberal who among other things spoke out in favor of the nomination of Sonya Sotomayor's appointment to SCOTUS .

But he knows about the growing ties between Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and the homical delusional mullocracy running Iran ,with their puppet President the Mahdi-hatter .


Venezuela to export gasoline to Iran - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/07/iran.venezuela.gasoline/index.html?eref=rss_world)

Morgenthau's office has been following the money ,and has been actively persuing and prosecuting instances of Iraninan money laundering .

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/business/worldbusiness/10bank.html?_r=1

But his concern goes much deeper than that . He makes it clear in a recent address at the Brooking Institute that he thinks this new cooperation between Venezuela and Iran poses an existential threat to the United States.

read the whole address here :
New York County District Attorney's Office (http://manhattanda.org/whatsnew/inthenews/2009-09-08.shtml)

What he doesn't mention is that we were within minutes of WWIII in1962 ......that ,and the fact that Barack Obama is no Jack Kennedy

I think you should be far more concerned about Russia's courting of Chavez. His little rockets may prove to be big rockets

speechlesstx
Sep 15, 2009, 02:34 PM
And all the more reason for the U.S. to support the Hondura decision to constitutionally remove their wannabe dictator and Chavez crony... but I digress.

excon
Sep 15, 2009, 03:17 PM
Hondura decision to constitutionally remove their wannabe dictator and Chavez crony...but I digress.Hello Steve:

So, he was a friend of Chavez, huh?? I never would have guessed.

I wonder. If he was a rightwinger, would you have called the military takeover a coup??

I'll bet you would have.

excon

tomder55
Sep 15, 2009, 03:56 PM
I think you should be far more concerned about Russia's courting of Chavez. His little rockets may prove to be big rockets

Yes I addressed that although I believe he plans to use them to escalate against Colombia and possibly Brazil .

paraclete
Sep 15, 2009, 07:58 PM
yes I addressed that although I believe he plans to use them to escalate against Colombia and possibly Brazil .

Really, like rockets are useful in jungle? I would have thought he was more interested in antagonising the US

tomder55
Sep 16, 2009, 02:15 AM
Believe it or not Colombia does have cities too . Tensions are high between the 2 countries because Chavez materially,finmancially supports Marxist FARC terrorists and gives then sanctuary . Last year Colombian troops did a cross border rid ;killed a FARC leader , and seized a computer that proved the Chavez -FARC connection.


According to AP, the documents suggested that Chavez was preparing to loan the rebels at least $250 million to provide them with Russian weapons and possibly help them obtain surface-to-air missiles for use against Colombian military aircraft.

Counterterrorism Blog: More on the FARC-Chavez Connection (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/05/more_on_the_farcchavez_connect.php)

paraclete
Sep 16, 2009, 03:42 PM
believe it or not Colombia does have cities too . Tensions are high between the 2 countries because Chavez materially,finmancially supports Marxist FARC terrorists and gives then sanctuary . Last year Colombian troops did a cross border rid ;killed a FARC leader , and seized a computer that proved the Chavez -FARC connection.

Counterterrorism Blog: More on the FARC-Chavez Connection (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/05/more_on_the_farcchavez_connect.php)

Very much storm in the teacup stuff that wouldn't be happening if a dictator hadn't got hold of oil wealth. Just another Saddam but will the US be brave enough to act, or is this one too close to home?

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 02:25 AM
The Roosevelt Corollary should cover it.

But our Democrat party is deeply into the cult of personality that surrounds Marxist despots. During the campaign a bit of an issue was made over the fact that at one of Obama's campaign HQ a banner of Che Guevara was hung .

The truth is that the left in this country has a bit of an infatuation with Chavez. The Venezuelan national oil company Citgo ,does a pretty good pr thing organized and pimped by Joe Kennedy II to distribute discount home heating oil to the poor ,while boosting “our friends in Venezuela” in TV spots.

So while the poor in Venzuela suffer deteriorating conditions under his clumsy but brutal regime... he buys support inside the American left with PT Barnum tricks.

NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2009, 03:35 AM
The truth is that the left in this country has a bit of an infatuation with Chavez.
Uh no.

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 04:05 AM
Yeah you're right . They outright adore him.

NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2009, 04:36 AM
yeah you're right . they outright adore him.Who is "they"?

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 05:29 AM
The left in this country

NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2009, 05:33 AM
the left in this countryShow me a grassroots movement that idolizes and is infatuated Chavez. There isn't any. Quit spewing stuff that isn't true.

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 05:51 AM
Not going to play your games. Whoever I name will not be enough to satisfy ;and I can provide pictures to support and you would claim they don't represent the American left .

However I will give you one who's writings are widely quoted by the lefties so he pretty much is the philosophical face of the American Left .

Noam Chomsky. In this case it is a mutual admiration society . Chavez held up a Chomsky book up at a UN address to endorse it.

Chomsky in return has expressed “solidarity with your anti-imperialist politics and with the important social transformations that your government is developing for the well being of the majority of Venezuelans.”

I've already mentioned Joe Kennedy's efforts to prop up Chevez' regime.
I can add cultural lefties like Oliver Stone and his propaganda doumentary ,Danny Glover ,and other celebtards who swoon over the guy. I can also mention various extreme left wing Congressional members who support him .

NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2009, 06:03 AM
you would claim they don't represent the American left . That's my point entirely. No one person represents the "left". Say Kennedy or Chomsky but don't say that's the entire "left" view.
Chomsky's a pretty smart guy though.

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 06:04 AM
Why not ? You paint with broad brushes .

NeedKarma
Sep 17, 2009, 06:05 AM
I feel like we're back in grade school sometimes.

tomder55
Sep 17, 2009, 06:19 AM
When the lefty Democrats side with Chavez in his dispute with Colombia like they've done this year ,there is no doubt where their sympathies lie.
Colombia is embracing greater economic and political freedom ,and Chavez is becoming ever more repressive . But the Democrats have blocked things like free trade agreements last year and no doubt will not do a thing to help Colombia counter this military escalation by Chavez.

Yes often your silly nitpicking at facts is childish. The fact is that I could never give enough supporting proof to you to satisfy your dispute of my assertion .