What do you think about this..
Homepages.ihug.co.nz/~revival/warning-usa.html
And this...
DAVID WIKERSON Prophetic Message to New York 2 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16783193/DAVID-WIKERSON-Prophetic-Message-to-New-York-2)

I was not aware of those until a few days before when I had a similar expirience and started searching for some kind of confirmation.
I am not asking you what you think about the persons,only about what they say!

I believe that and it will happen in a few major cities. I see it happening in around 7 to 9 years from now tops.

I am not asking you what you think about the persons,only about what they say!

What is your heart telling you? Mine says: "Do the will of Our Father"

I trust he is right in saying people will do things their way, and it was written Jeremiah 20:12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.

Just yesterday I happened on to this scripture message: and as you can read death is found in sin, and strength in doing the will of God by serving God.

1 Corinthians 15:55-56 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthinas 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

~FAITH is the law of God

What do you think about this ..


How about this one?

David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE (http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html)

How about this one?

David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE (http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html)

Yes, I have read this one also, thank you!
I was praying about my brother in law who for a few months now has moved to NYC, and he told us that he is going to fly back to Greece at the end of this month for a vacation somewhat and then The Spirit of God told me that in his (my brother in law) absence He will judge the wicked city.Gods will come down onto the wicked city and shake it so that no one will feel safe! I then started to pray to the Lord to spare the lives of people and judge only the wicked spirits that control NYC through people because I remembered Abraham and Moses who both intercessed on behalf of their people and because as Paul says our straggle is not against flesh or blood but it is against wicked spirits.
I had to test and examine myself and what I heard and so I started searching till I found the above mentioned sites.
I appreciate your help!

Yes, I have read this one also, thank you!


This is the first I have read of David Wilkerson, and I did review some of his teaching from the links on that web site. At the side he has offered God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression, And he does refer scripture with each statement he makes.

FREE ONLINE: Chapter 9 "The Consequences of NOT Fully Trusting God in Hard Times " I felt was a very good teaching. You might want to read it in consideration of your brother-in-law. Faith can be our powerful armor, and of course scripture tells us so.

I then started to pray to the Lord to spare the lives of people and judge only the wicked spirits that control NYC through people because I remembered Abraham and Moses who both intercessed on behalf of their people and because as Paul says our straggle is not against flesh or blood but it is against wicked spirits.


I think we get caught up in our lives on earth as being the relativism of life. And actually it is death by the works of satan that we have been spared from by giving us life eternal. Resting in Christ as our Faith shows us that the Saviour did raise, and so there is no fear for our lives on earth if we believe. So the struggle is whether we have faith in God, and can hold stedfast in full assurance of what Christ delivered to us. Standing upon the ROCK where nothing can move you.

That is why I have been telling people for the past 30+ yrs they need to move to the mid west, between tha Mississippi River and Nevada before 2014. SOME of those areas will not even be safe either though.

I know you didn't want a reply about David Wilkerson but if anybody is interested
In the late 60's he converted the NY street gang the Mau Mau's whose leader was now Preacher Nicky Cruz
There were two books I know the Cross and the Switchblade was made into a movie
Not sure if Run Baby Run was made into a movie or not.

They also started Teen Challenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelqF0mamCw

I can't believe anybody pays any attention to this nut.

Personally I do believe that there are some hard times ahead not necessarily as Wilkerson predicts, but it could be so to some extend.
Evil is the shaker and mover of much too much of this nation and some others.
I'm particularly concerned about much of Europe which was once the leader of Christendom and has now largely turned way and into secularism and atheism as some of the USA as.
There is a spiritual war going on here with organizations like the ACLU trying to put people in prison for praying, even saying grace over a meal in a public place.
There is a trial on that going on in Florida on that right now.
That's just a sample of the anti Christianity movement that is going on and unfortunately many people are either backing it or treating such with apathy.
If God does indeed let His wrath fall on the USA and Europe all I can say it that we have asked for it.
Peace and kindness for all I hope and pray,
Fred

I know you didn't want a reply about David Wilkerson but if anybody is interested
in the late 60's he converted the NY street gang the Mau Mau's whose leader was now Preacher Nicky Cruz
There were two books I know the Cross and the Switchblade was made into a movie
not sure if Run Baby Run was made into a movie or not.

They also started Teen Challenge

YouTube - Nicky Cruz testimony: Gangs to God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelqF0mamCw)

Thank you! I just did not want us to focus on the persons.

Personally I do believe that there are some hard times ahead not necessarily as Wilkerson predicts, but it could be so to some extend.
Evil is the shaker and mover of much to much of this nation and some others.
I'm particularly concerned about much of Europe which was once the leader of Christendom and has now largely turned way and into secularism and atheism as some of the USA as.
There is a spiritual war going on here with organizations like the ACLU trying to put people in prison for praying, even saying grace over a meal in a public place.
There is a trial on that going on in Florida on that right now.
That's just a sample of the anti Christianity movement that is going on and unfortunately many people are either backing it or treating such with apathy.
If God does indeed let His wrath fall on the USA and Europe all I can say it that we have asked for it.
Peace and kindness for all I hope and pray,
Fred

I aggree with you about Europe and I think we are next,especially Greece my country,since Greece was the first nation that accepted Jesus Christ after Israel!

Adam,
Let us all pray for the mercy of God plus His guidance and help with those people who could or can lead and help us away from such troubled times.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Personally I do believe that there are some hard times ahead not necessarily as Wilkerson predicts, but it could be so to some extend.
Evil is the shaker and mover of much to much of this nation and some others.
I'm particularly concerned about much of Europe which was once the leader of Christendom and has now largely turned way and into secularism and atheism as some of the USA as.
There is a spiritual war going on here with organizations like the ACLU trying to put people in prison for praying, even saying grace over a meal in a public place.
There is a trial on that going on in Florida on that right now.
That's just a sample of the anti Christianity movement that is going on and unfortunately many people are either backing it or treating such with apathy.
If God does indeed let His wrath fall on the USA and Europe all I can say it that we have asked for it.
Peace and kindness for all I hope and pray,
Fred

Do you really believe that?

Adam,
Let us all pray for the mercy of God plus His guidance and help with those people who could or can lead and help us away from such troubled times.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Amen!

Adam,
Let us all pray for the mercy of God plus His guidance and help with those people who could or can lead and help us away from such troubled times.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

My FAITH in Christ is that we have already been given the answer to your prayer, and request. FAITH is to rest in what HE has foretold us of these events or sorrow. Christ has led us in assurance of God's power and strength. I say pray that we can be all HE created us to be, in doing HIS WILL. That evil will bow down and flee from us, so that we cause no harm to others, but speak of truth.


Let's not forget what God has told us in the seals. Each seal is intended as knowledge to help us in the defeat of satan's works of evil here on earth, by understand our strength, and remaining stedfast in Faith.

Revelation 7:3-4 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

There will be times of trouble and it is foretold to us in each of the seals

#2 seal tells us of war, and the cries for peace
(6:3-4 Revelation)

# 3 seal tells us the economy and money will be off balance (6:5-6 Revelation)

#4 seal tells of illness, sickness, and hunger
(6:7-8Revelation)


Rest in assurance of HIS WORD, HIS PROMISE = FAITH

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Cadillac,
Yes I do believe that.
Fred

Cadillac,
Yes I do believe that.
Fred

How about astrology, do you believe that too?

cadillac59,
Nope, I do not.
Fred

cadillac59,
Nope, I do not.
Fred

What's the difference? They're both nonsense.

cadillac59,
Thanks for your opinion.
I do not agree.
I hope that does not offend ypu.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59,
Thanks for your opinion.
I do not agree.
I hope that does not offend ypu.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Why do religious people always crave horrible things happening to the world? They revel in the idea of calamity occurring and the world being destroyed. How pathetic, how hateful.

You wonder why so many people say religion is a poison?

cadillac59,
You sure do have a dismal picture of religious people.
I know a lot of religious people and none of them are as you describe,"always crave horrible things happening to the world."
Horrible things have happen in this world and will continue to happen but the religious people I know and am aware of work and pray that such will not happen.
If and when they do a great many religious people do what they can to help ease the pain and suffering caused by whatever the trouble was.
It's called loving your fellow mankind.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59,
You sure do have a dismal picture of religious people.
I know a lot of religious people and none of them are as you describe,"always crave horrible things happening to the world."
Horrible things have happen in this world and will continue to happen but the religious people I know and am aware of work and pray that such will not happen.
If and when they do a great many religious people do what they can to help ease the pain and suffering caused by whatever the trouble was.
It's called loving your fellow mankind.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

If it weren't for religion the world would probably be a pretty nice place. But with fellow mammals always thinking the have the right to tell everyone else how to live because their god told them so, all the while wishing for the destruction of the world so everyone will be under the thumb of their god, it should be no surprise the world has the trouble and terror it does.

It is evil that is trying to bring this country down. We can stand by and watch or
Start praying and battle for our country. There are places on the net you can go
To and pray with others. There is a president prayer site I have been going to that is very good. What I see going on is hate talk that is growing almost out of control, people are paid to promote this. Who is going to stand up and battle this call to pray for our country
And stop the evil and hate that is burning across this nation. God is the answer and I hope you here the call to pray. Only though prayer can we tap into the limitless resources, of God.
Only by praying can we test the Lord's promise. "If you ask anything in my name, I will
do it" John 14;14 In love for our country we must unite ourselves for the good of our country.
Let us pray for the president and all elected, an appointed officials, that they will be able to
Carry out there duties, and do what is right for the country in a godly way. When godly
People are silent evil triumphs. This evil and hate must be stopped, it can effect every person
And everything in the US. Prayer is power and sharper then a two edged sword, it will
Bring us together in power. Pray like your life and country depended on it, because
It does. I am 78 yrs young, wife, a mother, grandmother, and great grandmother, there
Lives and your life and your love ones, depends on what we do, lets pray.
Hevenly Father, open our eyes and enlighten us to see the truth behind the evil and
Hate that is going on in our country. We seek Thy counsel, and put every problem facing
This country in your hands, asking You to give us an answer.I believe you will
Put the desire in our hearts to seek your face in this time, in Jesus name, Aman!!

Love ans Blessings, Maggie 3

Maggie 3
Amen!
I also pray that Joseph finds his place right beside the Pharaoh so that he can advice him according to God's will and save the people from the great hunger!
That is a prayer that God put into my heart for a time now and I thought that it has to do with my life only but I see now that it is a much more wide prayer!

Cadillac5,
Thanks for your opinion.
I think you will find it no surprise that I very much disagree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac5,
Thanks for your opinion.
I think you will find it no surprise that I very much disagree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

You seem like a really nice person, Fred. Maybe you are the exception, but most believers I've run into aren't as kind as you.

I just can't generate any interest in the church anymore, or in religion. Maybe it's because I'm gay, maybe the church has hurt me too much in the past. Who knows?

I don't believe the seven years of tribulation have begun yet but when they do ,I don't see NYC as the only victim.

cadillac59,
All Christians are SUPPOSED to be nice. Unfortunately some are not; far to many.
If the bad members of The Church have hurt you I'm very sad about that.
I think that you and all of God's children should be able to find comfort and valuable guidance in The Church.
I believe that is part of why Jesus founded The Church.
I hope that you will find your way back and be happy with it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59,
All Christians are SUPPOSED to be nice. Unfortunately some are not; far to many.
If the bad members of The Church have hurt you I'm very sad about that.
I think that you and all of God's children should be able to find comfort and valuable guidance in The Church.
I believe that is part of why Jesus founded The Church.
I hope that you will find your way back and be happy with it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Thanks for your kind words, Fred. You are a good person.

I haven't thrown god out the window totally, but if I come back to the church it will be as I am, as a gay man, totally out about it and proud of who I am without compromise.

cadillac59,
Thanks
I do believe God loves you and wants you.
Fred

cadillac59,
Thanks
I do believe God loves you and wants you.
Fred

Thanks Fred. You are what they call in Germany, a Mensch. You know, a human being-- a decent and good person (I think the Jews use the same word because they get it from Yiddish, a German dialect--'You're a real mensch!'--- I think I've heard some New Yorkers say that, but they say the same thing in Germany).

cadillac59,
Yes, I've heard the word used that way.
I do know a smattering of the German language for my maternal grandfather was from Germany and spoke no English.
Thanks,
Fred

I wonder where the idea started that Christians are looking for death and destruction? Nothing could be further from the truth.

What we look forward to is a time when all sin, sickness, pain and sorrow will be banished from Earth.

That will happen when Jesus returns and sets up the Kingdom of God on Earth. Even the animals will be blessed in that kingdom, and the ground itself will produce as it did in the Garden of Eden.

What we attempt to tell everyone is this.

Just as you would make plans to take an extended trip that you are looking forward to, so you must make plans to make your home in the coming Kingdom.

The price of admission is already paid. All you need to do is RSVP.

And yes, I absolutely do believe what I have written. Neither you or I have any evidence to the contrary.

I wonder where the idea started that Christians are looking for death and destruction? Nothing could be further from the truth.

What we look forward to is a time when all sin, sickness, pain and sorrow will be banished from Earth.

That will happen when Jesus returns and sets up the Kingdom of God on Earth. Even the animals will be blessed in that kingdom, and the ground itself will produce as it did in the Garden of Eden.

What we attempt to tell everyone is this.

Just as you would make plans to take an extended trip that you are looking forward to, so you must make plans to make your home in the coming Kingdom.

The price of admission is already paid. All you need to do is RSVP.

And yes, I absolutely do believe what I have written. Neither you or I have any evidence to the contrary.

You don't know where the idea came from that Christians want to see the earth destroyed? That's part of your teachings-- the rapture and all that nonsense. That's wishing for the destruction of the planet and civilization and I think it is an abhorrent aspect of Christianity.

You don't know where the idea came from that Christians want to see the earth destroyed? That's part of your teachings-- the rapture and all that nonsense. That's wishing for the destruction of the planet and civilization and I think it is an abhorrent aspect of Christianity.

This comment merely shows your total ignorance of what Christians believe.

Before you bash us, you need to at least spend enough study to learn what we really believe.

This comment merely shows your total ignorance of what Christians believe.

Before you bash us, you need to at least spend enough study to learn what we really believe.

I know exactly what you believe. It's no mystery.

Christians do NOT want the earth destroyed.
They just know it is inevidible.

I warned people for 20 years that 9/11 was going to happen on Sept 11 01 or Sept 11 02 and everybody thought I was crazy. Did that mean I wanted it to happen??
NOPE!

Christians do NOT want the earth destroyed.
They just know it is inevidible.

I warned people for 20 years that 9/11 was going to happen on Sept 11 01 or Sept 11 02 and everybody thought I was crazy. Did that mean I wanted it to happen????
NOPE!

You warned people? Right.

Yeah and I warn people about what is going to happen around 2015 -17 just as much.

yeah and I warn people about what is going to happen around 2015 -17 just as much.

You've got to be kidding.

Nope Not at all.

Nope Not at all.

So there's no way to argue about it with you at all, is that it? You're just right and that's all there is to it?

I have been right so far. Maybe things I say will happen in 2015 -17 won't happen but if they do I will say I knew it.
If they don't then it will be the first time I have been wrong about ''end time prophecies'' that I believe will happen and when.

I have been right so far. Maybe things I say will happen in 2015 -17 won't happen but if they do I will say I knew it.
If they don't then it will be the first time I have been wrong about ''end time prophecies'' that I believe will happen and when.

Whatever (yawn).

Christians do NOT want the earth destroyed.
They just know it is inevidible.

I warned people for 20 years that 9/11 was going to happen on Sept 11 01 or Sept 11 02 and everybody thought I was crazy. Did that mean I wanted it to happen????
NOPE!

Not arguing with you, but I would like to know what you base your dates on?

Based my dates on what?

Sept 11 DID happen 2001

The prophecy I heard and told people about the guy told me that on some Sept. 11 the Twin Towers were going to be taken down and they would try for the Pentagon too and it happened.
While other Christians were saying the rapture was going to happen by 2000 I was telling people that I believed 9/11 would happen in 2001 or 02.
Now I am basing the dates on what I see happening in the news, prophesies and what I sense, which is what I have been doing all along.
What I have been saying since 1976 is that the RFID chip would be mandatory by 2016 or 17 and the anti Christ will be revealed around that time.
There is a lot more to it but that is the very basic.

N0help4u,
Thanks much for that information.
I, however, wonder about which anti-Christ that will be.
As I understand it there will be several.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

tishrei: 7th hebrew month (http://www.ciasia.net/eng/hebrewcalendar/tishrei.html)
This year the month Tishrei starts at sunset of the 18th of September and goes on for 30 days.
See what Tishrei is about!

Thanks Adam,
This month is for to "make sure you are purged of all bitterness" among other things.
I think that is good advice for every month or day.
Bitterness is like hate it does great damage to the person who is bitter or hates.
It's like an acid that keeps on destroying.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

N0help4u,
Thanks much for that information.
I, however, wonder about which anti-Christ that will be.
As I understand it there will be several.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

There have been many anti-Christs, but there will be THE ANTI-CHRIST who will fulfill end time prophecies.

The most notable will be that he will subdue 3 governments out of the 10 government alliance of nations from within the old Roman Empire territory. He will then make a covenant with Israel. He will break it after 31/2 years.

The signing of that particular treaty will signal the start of the 70th week Daniel was told about.

As far as US troubles are concerned, judgment could indeed fall on this country without having anything to do with the Anti-Christ. Or even the 4 horsemen of Revelation.

It is evil that is trying to bring this country down. We can stand by and watch or start praying and battle for our country.

I am praying, everyday; that this country can survive the current administration.

There are places on the net you can go to and pray with others. There is a president prayer site I have been going to that is very good. What I see going on is hate-talk that is growing almost out of control; people are paid to promote this. Who is going to stand up and battle this call to pray for our country and stop the evil and hate that is burning across this nation? God is the answer and I hope you hear the call to pray. Only through prayer can we tap into the limitless resources, of God.

I'm one of those who disagree with the course that this administration has taken. I don't talk hate, nor am I paid for doing so. I hear the call to prayer, my prayers are that the freedoms we enjoy today will be present for our children tomorrow.


Only by praying can we test the Lord's promise. "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it" John 14;14 In love for our country we must unite ourselves for the good of our country. Let us pray for the president and all elected, an appointed officials, that they will be able to carry out their duties, and do what is right for the country in a godly way.

I'm praying that the current administration is voted out of office in the next election.


When godly people are silent evil triumphs. This evil and hate must be stopped; it can affect every person and everything in the US. Prayer is power and sharper then a two edged sword, it will bring us together in power. Pray like your life and country depended on it, because it does. I am 78 yrs young, wife, a mother, grandmother, and great grandmother, their lives and your life and your love ones, depends on what we do, lets pray.

It's true that when people are silent for too long, they find themselves governed by Czars, tax cheats, Marxists, and socialists.


Heavenly Father, open our eyes
Amen!

and enlighten us to see the truth behind the evil
Amen!

And hate that is going on in our country. We seek Thy counsel, and put every problem facing this country in your hands, asking You to give us an answer. I believe you will
And save us from this administration, Amen!

put the desire in our hearts to seek your face in this time, in Jesus name, Amen !!!
Amen! Amen!

JoeT,
I pray for my country as you do.
We need a new president who is moral, not one who is a radial supporter of abortions and same sex marriages.
Fred

Joe T and Fred, What do you think God's veiw is on these scriptures,
Rom. 13, 1, Let every soul be subject to the governing authority, For there is no
Authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Also read, Prov 8:15---- Dan 2:21-----Titus 3:1-----Acts 23:5


Blessings, Maggie 3

Maggie 3,
As for me I think it means exactly what it says.
God is the authority; the ultimate authority; for His is the power, the kingdom, and the glory now and forever.
There is no other.
But I see no prophetic messages about the USA that I can trust to be accurate, for I do not KNOW of any that are from God for sure.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Well, Maggie,

When the government was wrong, the Apostles faced them and said that they (Apostles) had to obey God rather than man.

We are under obligation to obey civil laws unless those laws are contradictory to the Law of God.

I beleve that when we the people have the opportunity to have a voice in how our country is run, we are obligated to stand for what we see as right in the light of the Bible.

To do otherwise is to accept a part of the blame for the sins of the government.

Therefore, I will vote and speak out against anti-Christian programs and proposals.

galveston, you are right, the christian is called to bear with the government wherever
Possible. Jesus did not call for revolution against Rome, even though it was an
Oppresseve conqueror of Isreal. On the other hand, the apostles refused to obey an
Order not to preach and teach in Jesus name. Acts 5 :27-29 Whenever the civil
Government forbids the practice of things that God has commanded us to do, or tells us
To do, or tells us to do things He has commanded us not to do, then we are on solid ground
In disobeying the government and rebell against it. I do think we should act respectfully
And be careful not to let hatred takeover , that is from satan, and is an evil
Act.


Blessings, Maggie 3

I removed my comments --- They were Just too far off topic

JoeT,
I am not an ultra liberal not a fanatic conservative.
I am a moderate and a Christian with Christian morals.
As such I agree with what the bible has to say about the poor, the widows, the children, and about fair trade and cheating practices.
Some call that being a liberal, others as being a conservative.
I consider it to be a moderate point of view and practice and not an extreme either way.
It is the extremists I have trouble with.
As far as Obama is concerned I believe he is a poor Chrsitian if one at all because of his immoral stand on abortions and same sex marriage.
BUT there are some issues that he supports which I agree with such as food, shelter, and good health care for everyone in this richest nation in history.
I believe that Jesus would support those thing as well.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred:

You must follow that great Spockean philosophy which says, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.” Do you know the source? Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?

JoeT

Edited message.

There is too much hate and evil on this web site for me so Goodby.

May the Lord Bless you with His Love, and fill you with Knowledge of His Will
In all spiritual Wisdom and Understanding.

Maggie 3

Maggie 3,
Please do not go.
We need you here.
You have valuable knowledge, experience, and opinions to share as we have often seen.
Please continue to share with us.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Hi, Maggie 3!

There is hate and evil no matter where you will go.

People can choose to debate or not. That is purely a matter of choice...

I agree with Fred. Please do not go from here. You're probably not going to find a more rich website with information and opinions as you'll find with this one. Plus, it's very well moderated and easy to use.

One of the things about life is, it's about making choices. I've "butted heads" with many a person on this site. I've learned a lot from others on this site and it has helped me to know what I don't know as well as the things about which I could make improvement with myself and also concerning the opinions and responses that I give that I know are based on fact to people. Sometimes, I can be really off-base... As such, this site has helped to be a reality check for me.

A person could go to any number of sites and just hear what they want to hear. What would be the value in that?

Reasoning with others with different views, is an art that takes time, effort and practice. If a person goes somewhere where they only hear what they want to hear, then how will that give them the opportunity to teach and share what they believe, in order for others to possibly find out about another way, that might be beneficial to them and to all?

We all make choices. We are not, and cannot be responsible for the choices that are made by others who are adults and legally and morally deemed to be fully responsible for the choices that they make.

In short, we cannot be responsible for that which we cannot be responsible.

Please do, continue to share on this site...

God's Love and Peace to You!

Thanks!

Maggie,

I agree with Fred and Clough! Please stay.

There is too much hate and evil on this web site for me so Goodby.

May the Lord Bless you with His Love, and fill you with Knowledge of His Will
in all spiritual Wisdom and Understanding.

Maggie 3

Maggie, your heart is full of love, and you were dealt this fullness of love and measure of faith according to what God knows you can handle. Never does God give us more then we can bear.

I know in my heart you understand HIS plan. The gift of the spirit within is a tool in which God asked that you use it, to serve HIM in honour. To bring HIS fullness of love and faith in each planted seed of love and faith you speak of, and share with all that are on this web site..

Many times I have felt the same wall that comes to block what is righteous, and in the spirit of love. A few times I have felt like leaving, and felt I was not meant to be here. But instead of walking away, use God's tool to knock the wall down.

Remember in scripture how each were dealt a portion.. What was said to that one that saved his portion because of doubt. What is fruitfulness when it is put aside?

Don't leave Maggie, you have much to continue in doing with what you were dealt by God.
In love of Christ, and in sharing HIS love, think it over before leaving.
{{{ I would miss you}}}

~in Christ

Your love spoken and true as quoted


. When godly people are silent evil triumphs. This evil and hate must be stopped, it can effect every person and everthing in the US. prayer is power and sharper then a two edged sword, it will bring us together in power. Pray like your life and country depended on it, because it does.Love ans Blessings, Maggie 3

I do think we should act respectfully
and be careful not to let hatred takeover , that is from satan, and is an evil
act.


Blessings, Maggie 3

Walk having the Spirit, and Praying always with all prayer and needed favour, in the Spirit, and watch over those that remain and hold stedfast, who are beloved of God, who have been called and who do follow HIS will. Amen

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Clough
Your Points are very will made and said,
Thanks,
Fred

Thanks, Fred!

I appreciate that very much!

Thanks!

Fred:

You must follow that great Spockean philosophy which says, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.” Do you know the source? Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?

JoeT

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What was edited here Joe?




here's an idea for the source: REFER
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

John 11:49-52 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.



Suppose Now, you can know Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?



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What was edited here Joe?




here's an idea for the source: REFER
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

John 11:49-52 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.



Suppose Now, you can know Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?



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Not quite, wrong book, (In fact you may need a movie script) you’re not even in the same millennium. The philosophy has its founding in Epicureanism; good and bad are measured by what feels good or what feels bad. The concept was renewed by Samuel Benthamin the late-1700’s; "the greatest good for the greatest number of people,” (Bentham, Jeremy. The Principles of Morals and Legislation, 1789). Some believe that Utilitarianism is one of the roots of Marxism. This doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

The quote “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” is far more contemporary.


JoeT

Some believe that Utilitarianism is one of the roots of Marxism. This doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

The quote “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” is far more contemporary.

JoeT

Then you would agree off thread and unrelated to religion or christianity.

Joe,
I give up.
I do not know.
Except that who decides may change from time to time.
What do you think?
Fred

Fred, Clough, Classy T, & Sndbay, Thanks guys, I'm back, I let my human nature
Takeover and I gave in to my feelings. "I walk by faith not by sight or[feelings]"
As a child of God I am being tranformed by the renewing of my mind. I must not
let feelings pull me back into a carnal mind. As a saint I must discipline myself to obey Christ and bring every thought into captivity to discipline myself to God's
Word. "2Cor, 10:5, "Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself
Against the knowiedge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience
Of christ, [6] and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled."
This is drawing on God's power.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

I am a preacher and prophet. I know all about visions and prophesying. I can tell you this, if God has shown you that and said that it is going to happen then you can put your life on it. When God says something is going to happen then expect for it to happen. There have been things God have shown me in dreams and visions of things to be in play and it happened.

So that is what my opinions are.

God bless!

So that is what my opinions are.

God bless!

I would agree with you, we just all have to also agree on what God had to say about a prophet.

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

`in Christ

As a child of God I am being tranformed by the renewing of my mind. I must not let feelings pull me back into a carnal mind. As a saint I must discipline myself to obey Christ and bring every thought into captivity to discipline myself to God's Word.

Yes Maggie, we that walk in the spirit of Christ must remember what Christ walked. And as scripture says dare not make ourselves a number, or compare ourselves to others. Because the measure in which each are giving is in accordance to God's will.

We are not to look back on what was old but forward to the newness of our life in Christ. Because the old is the past and can't be change. But the the new is righteousness and in HIS image.

Held to how Christ did humble Himself, we too must be as a humble child, in thankfulness of God's glory. Knowing that all souls belong to HIM, and HIS plan is under HIS control for each.

(2 Corinthains 10:12 Matthew 18:4 )

"Glad that you are with us"

~in Christ

Thank you sandbay, you are a great help to me.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

Maggie
Thank you for standing against the enemy.It is good to know that we have one more soldier watching on our right!

Maggie
Thank you for standing against the enemy.It is good to know that we have one more soldier watching on our right!

Adam my friend, and brother in the spirit of love for Christ Jesus. I would like to share My Dream with you.

**DREAM
It was a dark evening, and I was walking along when I suddenly became aware of a man behind me. This man began to speak words that scared me. I started to run, and was very scared because he kept saying "I am going to get you!"

My heart raced and I was trumbling, I knew the son of evil was near, and his words were threating. But I turned to shout, "Jesus Christ, stop!"

At that moment God appeared, and I fell to my knees in shame. I was so very sorrowed in what I had spoken. I said to God, " I did not mean to say anything evil, but meant to speak the words you taught us all. I meant to say "IN Jesus name, STOP" so that this man could know YOUR strength and power.

God said " My child, look at the man." And I looked to see his mouth stuffed with cotton.

Then God said "My child, I know what was in your heart."

Adam, I won't forget the dream, and I hope you can understand the meaning as I do.

~God be with you

sndbay
Thank you very much for sharing this dream for this is a message to all believers in Jesus Christ!
The man behind you trying to horrify you is the evil presence that runs behind every true believer.Because he knows that his power over us is no longer active his only way to distract us is to scare us mostly through words and thoughts. Fear is his weapon! The man behind you was the wicked spirit of phobia.You renounced it in the name of Jesus and that is what God meant when He said
"My child, I know what was in your heart."
The cotton in his mouth states that its words cannot really harm you. One more thing to ponder is that cotton is being placed in the mouth of the dead, so in my opinion the one chasing you is already dead for Jesus is now resurrected.
God bless you brother!
Check this!
http://www.openheaven.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29017&PN=1

sndbay
Thank you very much for sharing this dream for this is a message to all believers in Jesus Christ!

True



The man behind you trying to horrify you is the evil presence that runs behind every true believer.Because he knows that his power over us is no longer active his only way to distract us is to scare us mostly through words and thoughts. Fear is his weapon!


I would agree fear is his weapon. Fear can be an emotional hi-jacking of the mind. And the tongue can only show the effect of that fear. Can we achieve goodness from the tongue of fear? NO, and we instead should rest in Christ. REFER: (James 3:10)



The man behind you was the wicked spirit of phobia.You renounced it in the name of Jesus and that is what God meant when He said
"My child, I know what was in your heart."

I spoke nothing of goodness from my mouth. I can raise my hand to shout stop, but it is not my hand, or mouth that has power and strength enough to stop what the wicked man was saying or doing.

Instead it was God who knew what was in my heart. "My child, I know what was in your heart."

God who is there, and never leaves me or forsakes me. God with HIS hand of power to STOP the wicked man.



The cotton in his mouth states that its words cannot really harm you.

YES and true, his words were not the words God wants me to hear. Those are not the words we should fear, or be afraid to hear. For they are not the words of TRUTH.

I believe God would say we do not reprove a man such as this one, because it can cause us shame. I was sorrowed (repented) for my words, and God was merciful and granted me peace. It was HIS judgement of my heart that permitted that mercy and grace.

Faith sets me free, faith in HIS strength and power, faith in HIS promises

(Psalms 23)

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


your sister ~in Christ

God bless you sister!

I believe that our country is already experiencing judgment, and it will likely get worse.

How can we escape when we continue to shed innocent blood? Fifty million and counting.

Our leaders are trying to stick their thumbs in Gods' eyes. There is mounting pressure to erase all mention of God, and especially Jesus Christ out of our public life.

The president proclaimed GLBT pride week a while back. He is now pushing Ramadan so that we can "understand" Islam.

Is it surprising that each natural disaster gets more expensive?

And man-made ones aren't cheap. The San Joaquin Valley in Ca is dried up because the environmental whack jobs found smelt in the irrigation canals. Now farmers are going broke, workers are jobless, and being fed by government programs, and huge amounts of food are not being produced. The domino effect will be huge.

Ps 9:17
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
(KJV)

Galveston,

The thread is on what David Wikerson warnings have to says, and our reaction to it.

Maybe his sermon on " A Time to Weep and Time to Fight" would further the thread question and interest. And also could shed some light as to what our part is at this time.

Also there are other featured sermons:

"God's People Will Never Be Ashamed in the Time of Calamity"

"Getting Ready for the End of All Things"

Here is the link to the sermons.
KEYWORD each title: All Sermons | World Challenge (http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/view/sermons?filter0=&filter1=1&filter2=**ALL**&filter3=**ALL**&filter4=**ALL**&filter5=**ALL**)

Yes, Wilkerson is a good leader with a prophetc ministry.

You might also like B.H. Clendennen. He can now be found on YouTube. Just search for "Clendennen". The messages will be in parts due to the 10 minute limit on those videos.

He is also warning this country.

Yes, Wilkerson is a good leader with a prophetc ministry.

You might also like B.H. Clendennen. He can now be found on YouTube. Just search for "Clendennen". The messages will be in parts due to the 10 minute limit on those videos.

He is also warning this country.

I've listened to a couple of Wikerson's sermon, and can appreciate his love for Christ. His message of being ready for the latter rain, the private closet of communication, and the truth for all to rid themselves of corruption. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. (1 Peter 4:8) (Refer of Latter rain James 5:7) ( Refer closet Matthew 6:6)

But I usually find more assurance in hearing the Words of Scripture, and lean towards revealed truth by God's hand of control. I do find The Shepherds Chapel as a good listening tool. And again that is because, it isn't a sermon but is the Word of God being taught.

Jesus told satan, man lives by every word that proceedes out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)

The Word of God also warns us, and I trust God never said anything HE didn't mean

I just heard this and I think it is worth of hearing no matter the time you need to spend!

Lance Lambert (http://www.lancelambert.org/products.php?Category_Id=2)

Yes, Wilkerson is a good leader with a prophetc ministry.

You might also like B.H. Clendennen. He can now be found on YouTube. Just search for "Clendennen". The messages will be in parts due to the 10 minute limit on those videos.

He is also warning this country.

Thanks Galveston,
I did follow up, and reviewed two short sermons of B.H. Clendennen on u-tube. His message was more on the lines of being born again, and he said anyone who questions themselves having the Holy Spirit, definitely does not.

My faith rest in knowing Christ dwells within those that have given themselves to follow Him. And the full assurance in not doing the will of flesh, but surrender to the Will of God.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Gal3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

I look at this as being put back to the former state of harmony, conformed to Christ and HIS righteousness.

Col 1:19-20 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.




I just heard this and I think it is worth of hearing no matter the time you need to spend!

Lance Lambert (http://www.lancelambert.org/products.php?Category_Id=2)

Thank you Adam,
I did listen to the first day "The Battle Over The Testimony of Jesus" and found he does focus on righteousness within us, being the manner of persons that we ought to be in all holy conversation and godliness. Watching and able to stand against temptations of sin and wickedness, to remain righteous.
We are to be diligent in our faith, and need to be found by Christ on HIS return, in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Because the battle that we fight is against satan, and pride in a heart and mind that follows sin will be (the elements that shall melt with fervent heat)
We were once children, in bondage under the elements of the world, but we are set free from that curse by Christ Blood.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Walk in the Spirit

Four Prophetic Messages Delivered by Lance Lambert
Sunday 20 August 2006

Do not fear the conflict you are in, says the LORD, for I will be your refuge, your shelter and your triumph. This present strife is nothing compared with what is soon coming. It is but the prelude for something much more powerful and serious. Do not be afraid for I am in these storms and I am preparing and equipping you to stand in what is coming. I am shaking the nations, even the great world powers and I will make them as harvest dust, especially those nations who became great and powerful through My grace and My Word but who are now rejecting ME. Do not fear for out of this shaking will come multitudes whom I shall save. They will come from Russia and Asia and every nation that was affected by Marxism. I will also reap a huge harvest out of Islam, in the day that I will break its power. For I have seen its cruelty and its wickedness, says the LORD, and I will judge as I judged Marxism. I will cast it to the ground and shatter its power and influence, and humble its arrogant spirit. In that day I will avenge all the blood it has spilt, and my faithful and precious ones whom it has martyred. Young men and young women in multitudes will come out of Islam, saved by my grace and filled and anointed by My Spirit, to serve me with boldness and power. You shall see it and rejoice and you will worship me. For I have not forgotten those who served me in those lands and saw little fruit. In that day their prayers and their sacrificial service will be remembered says the LORD.

Do not therefore fear the events that are coming. For those who dwell in the secret place will find safety under the shadow of My wings, and in an especial manner, in ways that you have not known before, I will be your refuge, your shelter and your fortress.

Lance Lambert (http://www.lancelambert.org/prophetic5.html)

sndbay,
I will be most interesting if I live long enough to see the accuracy or not of such statements.
But I will not hold my breath for there have been many of such in the last centuries which have come to not much at all.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay,
I will be most interesting if I live long enough to see the accuracy or not of such statements.
But I will not hold my breath for there have been many of such in the last centuries which have come to not much at all.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

I would agree that we can only watch, and look for those things that are spoken. Only then, are we able to discern such words. Doing as the law of God tells us. For even in Christ, who was spoken of in (Deu 18:15) HE being raised up unto us, would be a prophet who we were able to recognize by the power of Our Father's glory, that would permit the mighty works that Christ was witnessed in doing. (Deu 18:18)

A fake prophet that lies, will be known by his lies, REFER:
(Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him)

~Faith & Watch

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of ME and of MY WORDS, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when HE shall come in HIS own glory, and in HIS Father's, and of the holy angels.

Amen

sndbay,
I will be most interesting if I live long enough to see the accuracy or not of such statements.
Fred

Question: and it is off thread,

Are you aware of the Tea Party 2009 that took place Sept 12, 2009?

I felt blind sighted when I heard

sndbay,
Yes I was aware of it.
Fred