Levi Johnston has theory on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's resignation - she's looking for a payday (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/10/2009-07-10_levi_johnston_has_theory_on_alaska_gov_sarah_pa lins_resignation__she_needs_money.html)

I don't fault Palin for trying to cash in (I mean who wouldn't). I just think she went about it the wrong way. She could have finished out the 18 months not run again and then cash in on book deals and what not. I mean it's not like they would go away in 18 months people are fascinated with her. I have to say her quitting does not make her look like a pitbull with lipstick anymore though.

I don't fault Palin for trying to cash in (i mean who wouldn't).
Levi himself has a book deal.

Why doesn't anyone around me get involved in a scandal I could write about!

I try to think of books to write all the time. But nothing. Although my wife's family are starting to do a good job of giving me material. Then I can be Levi Johnson!! ;)

I try to think of books to write all the time. But nothing. Although my wifes family are starting to do a good job of giving me material. Then I can be Levi Johnson!!!! ;)
I may write one about AMHD -- lots of colorful characters here.

John Ziegler has a different theory (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jziegler/2009/07/09/the-truth-about-sarah-palin%E2%80%99s-resignation/). I'd give him more credibility than Levi and his 'revelation.' But I know, Ziegler's theory isn't in line with the 'let's dump on Palin some more' mentality.

John Ziegler has a different theory (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jziegler/2009/07/09/the-truth-about-sarah-palin%E2%80%99s-resignation/). I'd give him more credibility than Levi and his 'revelation.' But I know, Ziegler's theory isn't in line with the 'let's dump on Palin some more' mentality.
But Palin said in that video she will continue to fight, yet she has a history as a professional quitter. And she sure knocked the socks off her lieutenant governor! When I've been challenged, instead of running for the hills with my tail between my legs, I've stood up to the challenge and overcome it. And Palin could have too. Although... Patty Blago certainly enjoyed being on that reality show...

But Palin said in that video she will continue to fight, yet she has a history as a professional quitter. And she sure knocked the socks off her lieutenant governor! When I've been challenged, instead of running for the hills with my tail between my legs, I've stood up to the challenge and overcome it. And Palin could have too. Although.............Patty Blago certainly enjoyed being on that reality show.................

First, she said "to be brutally honest, yeah..." to whether she ever wonders if enduring the onslaught is worth it and then said "I cannot sit down and shut up" and that she would continue to fight for what she believes in. That's not inconsistent with her statement after resigning that she didn't need a title to effect change. But naturally, you missed the rest of the picture he painted and prefer to call her a coward... which fits exactly in the 'let's dump on Palin some more' mentality I referred to earlier. That's fine, we'll see what happens soon enough.

Y'know, people who have done nothing wrong don't get named in complaints and lawsuits. If you step down usually you give your reasons. She'll soon wallow in oblivion - this from the *star* VP candidate for the republican party.

So some kid who stepped away from a commitment to marry the women he got pregnant is a credible quotable source now... A kid who is doing a pretty credible job cashing in on his 15 seconds of fame. I'm sure his fortune will forever be tied to how often he can cash in on his former relationship with Bristol Palin. He is a leach .

Do I think that personal finances are a concern for the Palin family ? Absolutely ; her defense against frivolous ethic complaints has cost her over $500,000;and the state almost $2million .

Wonder ,you make great bravado by saying you would tough it out .But I doubt you have been under the unrelentless attack Palin and her family have been under since her selection to run with McCain. Do I need to detail them... I think I do.

She was immediately labeled a piece of Wasilla trailer trash whose only claim to fame was that she didn't exercise her right to choose.She was a 1st term Governor with no experience (as opposed to a 1st term Senator with no experience at the top of the opposing ticket).The attack dogs went after her politics, her background, her educational history, her family,her husband, and her children.The creap Andrew Sullivan at the former respectable publication Atlantic has been trying to prove that Bristol Palin and not Sarah is the mother of Trig . Ethics charges(every one of them dismissed) get filed when on a cold day someone in the family wears a jacket with a corporate logo on it. Her 14 year old daughter becomes the subject of late night comics jokes about rape. She has been the most attacked, most reviled, most slandered, most badly treated person ever to run for any pubic office that I've seen in my lifetime.The media elites like Sally Quinn, Maureen Dowd, and unfortunately the former credible Peggy Noonan are pathetic in their criticism of Palin. Neither has truly accomplished anything that approaches the real-world achievements of Sarah Palin.

Now maybe she will fade away from the national scene.If she is going to secure her family financially before she makes a decision on her political future then what is wrong with that ? She is competing against millionaires in the political arena who cash in WHILE they are in office . At least she is leaving office before she attempts the cash in. I note that everyone admires Michelle Obama's extravagant wardrobe .I wonder who is paying the tab ? When the McCain camp spent some money to outfit Palin that became an issue .But I'm sure the Obama's will get a pass.

In America's outlands where they get mocked for suggesting they are "real Americans" ,normal Americans still feel the desire to serve their communities.Palin ,someone who is enjoying herself much more doing the sockeye Salmon run than serving became a community servant ;and did a damn good job of it. She took on the entrenched powers in Alaska ;many of whom were backed by"big oil" , and beat them reforming politics in the state in the process . She spent a significant amount of time negotiating a major gas line through the state and Canada to the lower 48 . That is a done deal . None of these are minor accomplishments and they took a lot of determination to succeed . Maybe you should rethink that label "quitter" .
The real shame of this ,if indeed it is the end of her political career (which I doubt) ; is that maybe indeed the unrelenting personal attacks against her and her family did take such a toll that she is ready to hang them up. What does that say about politcs in the country ? If you had a desire to be a public servant ,would you subject yourself and your family to the treatment the Palins received ? I kind of doubt it. National office will be left to the elites ;the dynasty families, and the entrenched incumbents. That is not what the founders intended .

Not a word from McCain on all this. How odd. Something smells really fishy.

Tom,
People who lead an ethically good life do not get "attacked" by the media. If you feel that the complaints and criticisms all all so undeserved than you've drunk the koolaid. Remember, she was the best that the republican party could bring to the public for VP. Now let's see what happens.

People who lead an ethically good life do not get "attacked" by the media


Thanks for the morning belly laugh.

thanks for the morning belly laugh.Give me an example.

[QUOTE]People who lead an ethically good life do not get "attacked" by the media. If you feel that the complaints and criticisms all all so undeserved than you've drunk the koolaid.

That has to be the clueless quote of the day. Second only to "people who have done nothing wrong don't get named in complaints and lawsuits."

Steve to the rescue!

Give me an example

The best example so far is that 15 ethics complaints have been filed and dismissed . After a while it becomes clear that it is nothing but an elaborate smear job. Even after she announced her resignation 2 more frivilous charges were filed by anklebiters with no credibility of their own. The fact that they were filed after her resignation proves her contention that she would have to fight false ethics charges instead of serve as Governor for the rest of her term is correct. She could not effectively do her job under such conditions.

There has been a systematic campaign against Palin and yes the media has been complicit. They are far reaching complaints like the fact that on a cold day she put on a jacket with the logo of her husband's racing team... and oh yeah... she held a fish in a photo .

Hello:

Palin did one good thing; she saved Katy Couric's job.

excon

Hello:

Palin did one good thing; she saved Katy Couric's job.

excon

And Michael Jackson gave her a second boost.

And Michael Jackson gave her a second boost.Hello Steve:

Oooh. I didn't know Palin was into Michael Jackson.;)

excon

Steve to the rescue!

Joe the plumber. All he did was ask Obama about taxes and the next thing you know ABC reported a judgment lien against him for $1182 in taxes even though "no action has been taken against him outside of filing the lien," and the deputy clerk of his county said that "there is a 99 percent chance [Wurzelbacher] doesn't know about the lien, unless he did a credit report or was ready to pay his taxes."

Helen Jones-Kelley, Director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, authorized the use of state computers to dig up dirt on him. The state determined that "we find reasonable cause to conclude that Jones-Kelley committed a wrongful act by authorizing the searches on Wurzelbacher."

And I'm sure you've never heard of anyone suing someone wealthy and famous just because they were wealthy and famous, or ambulance chasers.

Hello Steve:

Oooh. I didn't know Palin was into Michael Jackson.;)

excon

Couric you dimwit, lol.

Couric you dimwit, lol.Hello again, Steve:

So, Palin was into Couric? No wonder they couldn't talk.

Ex

Hello again, Steve:

So, Palin was into Couric? No wonder they couldn't talk.

ex

You numbskull, lol.

Levi Johnston has theory on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's resignation - she's looking for a payday (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/10/2009-07-10_levi_johnston_has_theory_on_alaska_gov_sarah_pa lins_resignation__she_needs_money.html)

His revelation is that maybe he can cash in on Palin's notoriety. Maybe then he can pay some child support.




G&P

Joe the plumber. All he did was ask Obama about taxes and the next thing you know ABC reported a judgment lien against him for $1182 in taxes even though "no action has been taken against him outside of filing the lien," and the deputy clerk of his county said that "there is a 99 percent chance [Wurzelbacher] doesn't know about the lien, unless he did a credit report or was ready to pay his taxes."

And here is the new Joe the Plumber
Sotomayor backers urge reporters to probe New Haven firefighter | McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/71660.html)

and here is the new Joe the Plumber
Sotomayor backers urge reporters to probe New Haven firefighter | McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/71660.html)


On Friday, citing in an e-mail "Frank Ricci's troubled and litigious work history," the liberal advocacy group People for the American Way drew reporters' attention to Ricci's past. Other advocates for Sotomayor have discreetly urged journalists to pursue similar story lines.

Yep, people who've done nothing wrong are never targets.

troubled and litigious work history

The advocates cite other Hartford Courant stories from the same era recounting how Ricci was fired by a fire department in Middletown, Conn. allegedly, Ricci said at the time, because of safety concerns he raised.
The Middletown-area fire department was subsequently fined for safety violations, but the Connecticut Department of Labor dismissed Ricci's retaliation complaint.

Yeah he was a real bad apple . He was a whistle blower who was fired for pointing out safety violations .

Interesting that just the other day one poll showed that 75% or the reapondents said they would vote for Palin if she runs for pres.

The Palin family has my prayers, and, yes, you can bet that I will vote for her if I get the chance. That goes for my wife too!

Not a word from McCain on all this. How odd. Something smells really fishy.

tom,
People who lead an ethically good life do not get "attacked" by the media. If you feel that the complaints and criticisms all all so undeserved than you've drunk the koolaid. Remember, she was the best that the republican party could bring to the public for VP. Now let's see what happens.

I don't know how you do it in Canada, but down here, the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

If I were on trial, I sure wouldn't want you on my jury!

I don't know she was the best the Republicans could bring,any more than Obama was the best the Dem's could bring.The republicans were just leaning toward a female vise so she was chosen

i dont know she was the best the Republicans could bring,any more than Obama was the best the Dem's could bring.The republicans were just leaning toward a female vise so she was choosenHello z:

Well, it's CLEAR that she wasn't chosen for her brains. Her plumbing was sufficient.

excon

PS> 75% gal?? Really??

Interesting that just the other day one poll showed that 75% or the reapondents said they would vote for Palin if she runs for pres.
A random sampling of the US population? How many people were surveyed?

Ah. Republican voters were polled (doesn't say how many) --

Poll: Sarah Palin remains threat to Mitt Romney in potential GOP 2012 race - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20090708poll_sarah_palin_remains_threat_to_mitt_ro mney_in_potential_gop_2012_race/)

Comment on a Google group board --

The beauty of this one is that only 24% of Americans now define
themselves as "Republicans" and Palin is not well liked at all by
independents, who are the crucial voters if the Republicans are to win
any electoral race.

So, the poll is predictable, and of not much use.

Levi whoever is a loser and he has already had more attention than he deserves so let's not give him any more. I'm a conservative but even I am frightened by the thought of the possibility of Sarah Palin becoming president. She is a tool of the religious right and not experienced or intelligent enough to be president. She would make the USA a worldwide joke and even make George W. Bush look good. I'm for Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney for president.

I'm thinkig something is going to come out that is going to hurt her politically,some scandal.. shes stepping down to bank before the sh** hits the fan.. just my theory

Former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown has an alternate take on the Palin resignation than the party line and the media meme .
Sarah Palin, political genius (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/12/BA9A18MCT5.DTL)


The pundits are wrong. Conventional wisdom is wrong. Sarah Palin's decision to step down as Alaska governor was a brilliant move.
Palin has some of the best political instincts I have ever seen. She became a pop-culture superstar overnight when John McCain made her his veep pick, and she's still second only to President Obama among politicians the public is interested in. Even in liberal San Francisco, she'd be front-page news if she ever came to town.
But that kind of celebrity comes at a high price. What a lot of people don't know is that Palin entered Alaska politics as a reformer attacking the corruption of the state's Republican establishment. As such, she was the darling of the Democrats - until she hooked up with McCain.
After the election, with Palin back home but positioning herself for a 2012 presidential run, it was clear she would catch nothing but ridicule from Alaska's Democrats. It was not going to be pretty.
If Palin wants to play on the national field, she has to be free to move around. She has to be able to drop into Indiana, Ohio or Tennessee and help Republican candidates raise money. She has to be available for radio and TV.
She has to be like Gavin Newsom, free to roam around the country, safe in the knowledge that things will pretty much take care of themselves back home.
Instead, Palin faced the prospect of being constantly pinned down in a state that is a day and a half away from the rest of America. She would have been totally isolated in every sense of the word.
Now she can study up on issues where she is lacking and become a full-time political celebrity.
The pundits call her a quitter, but let's be honest - the pundits never liked her to begin with. Better to take one hit for stepping down and move on than to stay in Alaska and die a death by a thousand cuts.
Governor or not, Palin is still the biggest star in the Republican galaxy. After all, who else have they got?

By her resignation ,she has positioned herself to travel the lower 48 and disrupt the status quo similar to what she did to Alaska politics .
From her resignation:
"And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade - as so many politicians do. And then I thought - that's what's wrong - many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and 'milk it.' I'm not putting Alaska through that - I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! That's not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old 'politics as usual.' I promised that four years ago - and I meant it."

And just like in Alaska ;she will have the Republicans in her crosshairs as well as the Dems.

She's a star all right... but for all the wrong reasons.

Here's another take on it (http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/07/10/palin/index.html):

Disaster is often followed by recrimination, a bitter aspect of human nature that can be observed among the Republicans as the Sarah Palin fiasco continues to unfold. The Alaska governor's surprise resignation, amid negative press coverage in Vanity Fair and elsewhere, suddenly revived dormant feuding among campaign operatives and conservative media figures -- notably between Steve Schmidt, the former campaign manager, and Bill Kristol, the Weekly Standard editor and Fox News commentator.

The latest eruptions from Kristol, Schmidt and all the lesser actors in the Republican reality show echo similar complaints from the closing days of the campaign last fall, when they were blaming each other for the obvious mistake of Palin's nomination. Back then, Schmidt and other top figures in the McCain orbit -- including lobbyists Rick Davis and Charles Black and speechwriter Mark Salter -- started to seek distance from the Wasilla phenomenon as soon as they realized that their ticket was going to lose the election, and that her nomination might well be counted among the reasons. In assigning responsibility for impending doom, these gentlemen criticized not only Palin herself but her cheerleaders on the right, the most vocal of whom had been Kristol.

But in late October 2008, the New York Times Sunday Magazine published an extraordinary and timely story that explained exactly how McCain had come to select Palin. According to that article, Schmidt had collaborated with Davis and Salter to promote Palin over several more qualified candidates -- after a cursory background investigation that revealed almost nothing about her lack of knowledge, bizarre official conduct, and narcissistic temperament. When the three insiders presented her to a smitten, impetuous McCain, he accepted their judgment, ratified by Charlie Black, one of the most experienced Republican operatives in Washington, who told him that if he chose her, he might win -- and otherwise he would surely lose.

"Her selection came after a six-month-long, rigorous vetting process where her extraordinary credentials and exceptionalism became clear," he barked. "This vetting controversy is a faux media scandal designed to destroy the first female Republican nominee for vice president of the United States who has never been a part of the old boys' network that has come to dominate the news establishment in this country."

Schmidt was lying -- about the process, about her credentials, about the confidence he and his cronies supposedly had in her, and about the media questions that he knew to be legitimate.

Rarely is anyone in Washington, from politicians to operatives to journalists, held accountable for the damage they inflict on the body politic. Those who banged the drum for disastrous war flit from one editorial page to the next; those who insisted on ruinous deregulation return as economic advisors to the president. The men who told us that Sarah Palin should be next in line of succession to the presidency may quarrel among themselves now, but they will all be back with yet more stupid advice -- and we can only blame ourselves if we listen.

Hello tom:

Sara Palin is dumb. I don't know WHY the righty's want another dummy. I don't think they're too happy with the last one they had. Why do they want to do it again?? Silly righty's.

excon

A lot can be said about the McCain loss . It is clear that the Palin selection was NOT the reason for his loss. In fact,the high water mark came with her selection.
The main reason he lost was his less than Presidential reaction to the economic crisis.
Palin's campaign stops were exciting events and only trailed Obama's in attendance. She outdrew McCain . She also cleaned Biden's clock in the VP debate . She was an asset to the McCain campaign.

She also cleaned Biden's clock in the VP debate . Sure she did. LOL!

Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls with October 3 pm update | Midwest Voices (http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2299)
Who won the VP debate: Palin or Joe Biden? - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/presidentialdebates/3129259/Who-won-the-VP-debate-Palin-or-Joe-Biden.html)
Who Won Tonight's Vice-Presidential Debate? (http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/10/who-won-tonight.html)

Tom, give it up, it's embarrassing.

Sara Palin is dumb.
Yeah imagine how smart she would sound with a team of speech writers and surrounded by teleprompters.

Yeah imagine how smart she would sound with a team of speech writers ...But she did have speech writers:
PostPartisan - Putting Words in Palin's Mouth (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/putting_words_in_palins_mouth.html)
So What If Sarah Palin Used a Speechwriter? FOX Forum FOXNews.com (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/bnewmark_0904/)

NK ;perhaps you should read liberal Camile Paglia's take on the debate from the left wing site you sourced earlier .
Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and more | Salon (http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/10/08/palin/index1.html)


Although nothing will sway my vote for Obama, I continue to enjoy Sarah Palin's performance on the national stage. During her vice-presidential debate last week with Joe Biden (whose conspiratorial smiles with moderator Gwen Ifill were outrageous and condescending toward his opponent), I laughed heartily at Palin's digs and slams and marveled at the way she slowly took over the entire event. I was sorry when it ended! But Biden wasn't -- judging by his Gore-like sighs and his slow sinking like a punctured blimp.

Good for Camille! She picked a winner!

Here's my take on what Palin is planning:

She is going to spend the next 6-12 months on the talking circuit. This will give her a certain amount of wealth and will keep her in the political spotlight in the appropriate circles.

She will then run for the Alaskan Senate Seat that is up for grabs in 2010. After she wins that seat (and she will), she will be appointed to at least one foreign policy committee. One of the biggest complaints about her in the media was her lack of foreign policy experience. A seat on a foreign policy committee will cure that lack.

She will then consider her options. If she has the support and the money, she'll make a run for the presidency in 2012. If not, she'll wait it out and make a run in 2016.

Either way, giving up the governorship now puts her in a position to run for the senate seat. It's actually a brilliant move. She will come to any run for the Presidency with a resume that is stronger than Obama's. She will have Gubenatorial and Mayoral (executive) experience, Senate experience (which will be equal to or more than the amount that Obama had during his run for the Presidency), she will have speechmaking experience (which will polish her already strong speaking skills), she will have a history as a budget cutter, and she will have experience having sat on the hot seat already.

By that time, given the direction things are going right now, Obama's popularity and that of the Democrats will be in the crapper. Dems will be seen as the tax and spenders they are, Obama will be blamed for the massive budget deficits we haven't seen yet, the increasing unemployment rates, nationalization of private industry, etc. Dems will not be able to defend against these charges because they will clearly have been the cause of these things.

Conservatives and Republicans, being on the outside right now, and lacking control of any part of the government right now, will be able to rightfully deny being a part of it. The right will become ascendent again. And Palin will be perfectly positioned for a run for the Presidency.

That is my prediction.

All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.

Elliot

That is my prediction.

All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.Hello again, El:

I think you're right. She IS laying the foundation for a run at the presidency. I think she'll lose, though. One of the primary reasons, however, won't be her dumbness. It'll be having left the Alaska voters in the lurch.

She has a history of quitting. It's going to bite her.

excon

Hello again, El:

I think you're right. She IS laying the foundation for a run at the presidency. I think she'll lose, though. One of the primary reasons, however, won't be her dumbness. It'll be having left the Alaska voters in the lurch.

She has a history of quitting. It's gonna bite her.

excon

We'll just have to wait and see. She may win, she may lose. Either way, what she's doing now is BRILLIANT politics in terms of setting up her future.

I seem to remember Richard Nixon getting elected to the Presidency after quitting. "After today, you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore." "Quitting" didn't hurt him all that much in his run for President.

I could be wrong about whether it will hurt her. But as for what her plan is... that seems simple enough to figure out.

Elliot

Yeah imagine how smart she would sound with a team of speech writers and surrounded by teleprompters.

Well if she isn't smart or politically savvy enough to do what's necessary NOT to appear dumb, then well unfortunately she's even dumber than she appeared. And that was DUMB!!

Honestly, you guys talk about the apparent damage Obama has done to your image / reputation around the world. You say he is a laughing stock amongst the worlds leaders. You're wrong of course. But let me assure you that if this women was elected to any sort of position of power than it'd be more than just funny... People are already laughing that she got as far as she did.

You guys should be better than her. You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.

what she's doing now is BRILLIANT politics in terms of setting up her future.
You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.Hello Skell:

I don't know. I guess when you drink the koolaid, even dumb people look smarter than you.

excon

Hello Skell:

I dunno. I guess when you drink the koolaid, even dumb people look smarter than you.

excon

Come on ex, I don't drink the koolaid... but even if I'm not wholeheartedly behind the ticket it darn sure beat the alternative. You think I'm going to let you see me sweat when I know how much more the other guy is going to screw things up? I think you've already called the new guy a dufus yourself, am I right?

But let me assure you that if this women was elected to any sort of position of power than it'd be more than just funny.... People are already laughing that she got as far as she did.

You guys should be better than her. You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.

Skell, in spite of what I just told ex I know you're a smart guy too and can surely recognize the unmitigated hell she was put through. Much of her reputation is not deserved, any fair-minded person should be able to admit that.

She had it tough. No doubt. But a lot of that probably stems from the fact that she wasn't and isn't up to it.

I don't claim that everything that was said about her was fair, or even right. But the important stuff was.

She exhibited a higher degree of success as an executive than the current President has shown. Remember ;she was selected as a VP candidate ,not President . I think she would easily show equal ability at that job as the current occupant of the position... a man who had a life time appointment to public office had he chosen to remain in the Senate but was almost by consensus the dumbest man in the Senate.

The Democrats just put comic Al Franken in the Senate .I note that he barely found the mens room before they gave him a key appointment in the Judiciary committee which will decide if an affirmative action recipient (who by her own admission would not be where she is without the boost because her grades didn't cut it) is qualified for the highest court in the land . So let's not suggest that they are concerned about the qualifications of their candidates .

....a man who had a life time appointment to public office had he chosen to remain in the Senate but was almost by concensus the dumbest man in the Senate. Dear sir, McCain is a hero! You should not besmirch him!

There are many people in the Senate who needs a boot ;McCain included. But this comment is not about him because in no way is he the dumbest . Now that Biden is out perhaps Harry Reid claims the mantle although he will have strong competition with Franken.

You mean the new Senator from Minnesota and newest member of the Judiciary Committee? That Franken?

No, this Palin:
http://wheelontheweb.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/palin2.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/gal_palin-tshirt.jpg

So let's not suggest that they are concerned about the qualifications of their candidates .Hello tom:

Yeah, them actors. They should stick to Hollyweird.

excon

No, this Palin:

Sarah is the dumbest person in the Senate?

Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement (http://tammybruce.com/2009/07/palin-hints-at-independent-conservative-movement.html)


Enter now Sarah Palin with very encouraging comments that lead one to believe that she is indeed planning to do what she must: build an independent conservative movement and take this nation back from the liberals which now control both parties.Thanks liberals, for provoking Sarah into the national scene while vetting that family at the same time.Go Sarah!

And go she is, she's going on the offensive...

The 'Cap And Tax' Dead End (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html?sid=ST2009071302882)
By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Tammy Bruce is dreaming . Short of a complete destruction of the Republican party being replaced by a conservative party; 3rd party efforts always have and always will lead to an unintended outcome at the ballot box in the United States.

I don't mind schmoozing with and recruiting Blue Dog Dems. ;that's what worked for Reagan. But an independent conservative movement is pie in the sky thinking .

There were some in the "progressive movement " that openly talked the same way after 2004 . Lucky for them that never seriously materialized or there would be President McCain today.

Baseball Crank documents much of the extreme nature of the war against Palin (http://baseballcrank.com/archives2/2009/07/politics_sarah_2.php) and her family. How would you do in the face of such vile attacks?

No one invented a pregnant teenager. No one forced Levi and her to get engaged and kill the engagement. No one forced Bristol to go on Fox News to say that "abstinence is not realistic" and then goes out on the interview circuit. They are the makers of their own news. Now she's a quitter.

How would you do in the face of such vile attacks?Hello again, Steve:

I think you pointed to the EXACT reason why she skedaddled. What she did, was succumb to those attacks. And she wasn't able to distinguish between the attacks that she SHOULD respond to, and those she shouldn't. So, she engaged them all. In a nutshell, her skin was too thin.

The Letterman thing was a good example. He wronged her. She noticed. He apologized. She ran it into the ground. Troopergate?? Another example of her inability to distinguish a PERSONAL war from a war that a governor should get into. She was at war with her own party in her own legislature over petty crap, too.

Bottom line? She can't govern, and I think she knows it.

excon

No one invented a pregnant teenager. No one forced Levi and her to get engaged and kill the engagement. No one forced Bristol to go on Fox News to say that "abstinence is not realistic" and then goes out on the interview circuit. They are the makers of their own news. Now she's a quitter.

Did you read the link? I think not.


The most egregious example was posted on Daily Kos on Sept. 12, 2008 by Paul Lewis Hackett III, a trial lawyer and U.S. Marine Corps veteran of Iraq, who ran in 2005 for a vacant seat in the House from Ohio's second congressional district, losing narrowly in a district President Bush had carried easily just a year earlier.

Fretting that the Obama campaign was going to lose Ohio to McCain, Hackett proposed his own solution: A series of savage attacks on the GOP ticket focusing on Sarah Palin and her family. Here is what he wrote:


The message (would be) simple and the professionals can refine it but essentially it should contain these elements: Sarah Palin? Can't keep her solemn oath of devotion to her husband and had sex with his employee. Sarah Palin? Accidentally got pregnant at age 43 and the tax payers of Alaska have to pay for the care of her disabled child. Sarah Palin? Unable to teach her 16 year old daughter right from wrong and now another teenager is pregnant. Sarah Palin? Can you trust Sarah Palin and her values with America's future?

Rumors.


A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately after the election, her church was burned. It's fairly difficult to reconcile this 'heat' as something conventional in politics. In fact, there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics for their silent complicity.

Palin brought all this on herself, right?


In the midst of the election season, Mrs. Palin's personal e-mail account was hacked by the son of a Democratic Tennessee representative.

All Palin, she made her own news here.


Also, it's important to remember why the Palin family even acknowledged Bristol's pregnancy: Because a thousand "liberal" Web sites, led by Daily Kos, the favored site of leftist Democrats, filled cyberspace with off-the-wall theories that Trig Palin was really Bristol's child and that Sarah had faked her own pregnancy. This was truly ugly territory, and nutty besides. It's not terribly different from the Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim-not-born-in-this-country stuff, with one crucial distinction: The Obama Muslim stuff was either debunked or ignored by the media --not the conspiracy theories about Trig Palin's birth. In some quarters of the evolving new media - The Huffington Post and Bill Maher's HBO program, to name two - the Palin pregnancy hoax was repeated. Some traditional outlets, including Vanity Fair and, most inexplicably, The Atlantic blog written by Andrew Sullivan, kept hammering away at it after it was proven false by photographic evidence and by Bristol's own pregnancy.

What exactly did Sarah do to prompt the Trig conspiracy?

Do you, NK, have the integrity to admit these and many other attacks had nothing to do with the Palins being "makers of their own news," or are you going to insist - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - that she brought every bit of this on herself?

Do you, NK, have the integrity to admit these and many other attacks had nothing to do with the Palins being "makers of their own news,"Will you have the integrity to admit that Obama suffered through attacks (muslim, not born here, terrorist, anti-american) and has nothing to do with him making his own news? Oh by the way, Obama didn't quit.

Hello again, Steve:

I think you pointed to the EXACT reason why she skedaddled.

Ex this isn't news to me, as soon as I read it in the paper I said to my wife "who can blame her?" It wasn't JUST her being attacked, her FAMILY was relentlessly attacked including some of the most vile, despicable, inexcusable hatred concerning her disabled infant. If it were me I would protect my family from such bullsh*t, too, even if it meant being called a quitter. I'd rather be called a quitter than subject my family to that kind of inexcusable crap.

I'd rather be called a quitter than subject my family to that kind of inexcusable crap.
And when you quit, the crap will end? Or it will take on a whole new flavor?

I would rather deal with the crap with honor and integrity. (Of course, I would have to have honor and integrity to begin with... )

I'd rather be called a quitter than subject my family to that kind of inexcusable crap.I will agree with your assessment if she lives out her career out of the spotlight. Do you think that's what's happening?

Will you have the integrity to admit that Obama suffered through attacks (muslim, not born here, terrorist, anti-american) and has nothing to do with him making his own news? Oh by the way, Obama didn't quit.

As if I haven't already? As if I haven't defended him against such spurious charges? I have indeed, NK, and I'll do so again. I have more than enough fodder for criticism without resorting to idiotic charges that he's a secretly a Muslim or wonder about his birth certificate. Now what about you?

P.S. Why should Obama have quit, the media and blogosphere did a damn fine job of extolling his virtues and defending his weaknesses. It's easy when the media is in the tank FOR you instead of piling on.

It's easy when the media is in the tank FOR you instead of piling on.Hello again, Steve:

I want my president to have thick skin. Sarah Palin doesn't. It's GOOD to find out now.

One thing you can say about the dufus, is his skin musta been 4" thick. HE wasn't influenced by an angry press. Everybody hated him. Didn't stop him. He didn't engage every little thing - well except the for Valorie Plame thing. But, he didn't do it much.

excon

Everybody hated him. Didn't stop him.
I don't think he was aware that everyone hated him. He was wrapped in a cocoon while he was prez.

All one has to do is watch Fox News for continual attacks on the president.

I don't think he was aware that everyone hated him. He was wrapped in a cocoon while he was prez.

That's nonsense.

That's nonsense.
He even said that himself -- refused to listen to anyone other than trusted lackeys.

And when you quit, the crap will end? Or it will take on a whole new flavor?

I would rather deal with the crap with honor and integrity. (Of course, I would have to have honor and integrity to begin with...............)

P Lease Wondergirl, explain - in factual detail - how she didn't deal with the crap with honor and integrity.

I want my president to have thick skin. Sarah Palin doesn't. It's GOOD to find out now.

She's not your president so you don't have to worry about that. Still, would you continue to subject your family to the crap she endured?

Perhaps if the major media was attacking his daughters like the bloggers were then President Bush would not have been so thin skinned.

You see ;it is the open season on the Palin kids that has been to date the exception rather than the rule. There was a time when public servants children were out of bounds.

All one has to do is watch Fox News for continual attacks on the president.

And all you have to do is come here for continual attacks on Palin... and Bush.

I will agree with your assessment if she lives out her career out of the spotlight. Do you think that's what's happening?

My assessment has nothing to do with whether you have the integrity to acknowledge you were wrong about the Palins being the "makers of their own news."

Perhaps if the major media was attacking his daughters like the bloggers were then President Bush would not have been so thin skinned. Who cares about bloggers? Seriously! They don't get exposure. You have to Google the terms you want to find or have your right-wing websites push them to you as today's talking points. There are just as many if not more right-wing crazy calling for killings and assassinations, why don't you call them out too?

I will agree with your assessment if she lives out her career out of the spotlight. Do you think that's what's happening?

My assessment has nothing to do with whether or not you have the integrity to acknowledge you were wrong about the Palins being the "makers of their own news."
You blew right by the question like I knew you would. :rolleyes:

As usual you cherry picked my comment to disregard the subject .

You see ;it is the open season on the Palin kids that has been to date the exception rather than the rule. There was a time when public servants children were out of bounds.Hello again, tom:

If you looked here: Conservative Free Republic blog in free speech flap after racial slurs directed at Obama children (http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Conservative%20Free%20Republic%20blog%20free%20spe ech%20flap%20after%20racial%20slurs%20directed%20O bama%20children/1782375/story.html), I think you'll find some pretty vile stuff about Malia Obama.

excon

Still, would you continue to subject your family to the crap she endured?Hello again, Steve:

Yes. Privacy is one of the things one gives up for public service. If I went into the kitchen, I wouldn't be surprised by the heat. Could I take it? You betcha!

excon

HELLO!!

I was not talking about what the bloggers were saying... I said IF the press were going after Bush's daughters like the bloggers did then he would not have been so thick skinned.

Let me make it clear . The press went after her children like they were bloggers . Capiche ?

I believe it was Elliot who outlined a likely reason for Palin stepping down from the governership.

How about this?

How many small businesses can absorb half million dollar legal expenses?

The left has no conscience, no core values, and no integrity. They have determined to destroy Palin. Why is another discussion.

If they can't find a skeleton, they will manufacture one. If that doesn't work, then they will attempt to destroy her financially, and on this battlefield, they have all the big artillery and she has a pea shooter by comparison.

By comparison, Obama got the velvet glove treatment.

Open minded people see all this and understand.

Do you?

And to the OP, she may indeed be planning to build a war chest. Wouldn't that be grand.

He even said that himself -- refused to listen to anyone other than trusted lackeys.

Quote please?

You blew right by the question like I knew you would. :rolleyes:

I threw you a challenge (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-7.html#post1855274) 17 posts ago that remains unanswered, leaving you no room to talk.

I threw you a challenge (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-7.html#post1855274) 17 posts ago that remains unanswered, leaving you no room to talk.
I'll answer yours.
- "a public figure called for her rape": no attribution, rumour
- "personal email hacked" : No one should hack into anyone's account. She used Yahoo mail for gov business! She's a public figure, why use insecure email??
- "the trig conspiracy" : rumours start when the truth isn't revealed. They are no different than the Obama rumours I mentioned attacking his family roots and their love for their country.

Now your turn.

She used Yahoo mail for gov business! She's a public figure, why use insecure email?????

That's UNSECURE, not insecure. Insecure is what YOU are.

Elliot

I'll answer yours...


Now your turn.

You never learn do you?


- "a public figure called for her rape": no attribution, rumour

Sandra Bernhard issues 'gang rape' warning to Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/19/2008-09-19_sandra_bernhard_issues_gang_rape_warning-2.html)


- "personal email hacked" : No one should hack into anyone's account. She used Yahoo mail for gov business! She's a public figure, why use insecure email?????

"Several self-proclaimed members of Anonymous, a loosely organized group associated with the message board 4Chan, apparently breached (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842097,00.html) the Alaska governor's personal Yahoo! Account ([email protected]) late Tuesday night."

It doesn't matter what she used it for, it was an illegal attack and she had done nothing to deserve that.


- "the trig conspiracy" : rumours start when the truth isn't revealed.

A pregnant governor is hiding what exactly?

http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-pregnant-if-real.jpg?w=510&h=382


They are no different than the Obama rumours I mentioned attacking his family roots and their love for their country.

Um, witnesses to the pregnancy and an actual child not enough evidence to destroy the rumors? Are you saying it's possible that Bristol Palin gave birth to Trig on April 18th and then turned right around and gave birth to Tripp in December? You're either extremely gullible or don't have the integrity to admit the truth. Which is it?

Are you saying it's possible that Bristol Palin gave birth to Trig on April 18th and then turned right around and gave birth to Tripp in December? You're either extremely gullible or don't have the integrity to admit the truth. Which is it?
It's more likely that an older woman like Sarah would have a Down's baby, rather than a teenage whose child could have problems, but less likely Down's as one of them.

Here's my take on what Palin is planning:

She is going to spend the next 6-12 months on the talking circuit. This will give her a certain amount of wealth and will keep her in the political spotlight in the appropriate circles.

She will then run for the Alaskan Senate Seat that is up for grabs in 2010. After she wins that seat (and she will), she will be appointed to at least one foreign policy committee. One of the biggest complaints about her in the media was her lack of foreign policy experience. A seat on a foreign policy committee will cure that lack.

She will then consider her options. If she has the support and the money, she'll make a run for the presidency in 2012. If not, she'll wait it out and make a run in 2016.

Either way, giving up the governorship now puts her in a position to run for the senate seat. It's actually a brilliant move. She will come to any run for the Presidency with a resume that is stronger than Obama's. She will have Gubenatorial and Mayoral (executive) experience, Senate experience (which will be equal to or more than the amount that Obama had during his run for the Presidency), she will have speechmaking experience (which will polish her already strong speaking skills), she will have a history as a budget cutter, and she will have experience having sat on the hot seat already.

By that time, given the direction things are going right now, Obama's popularity and that of the Democrats will be in the crapper. Dems will be seen as the tax and spenders they are, Obama will be blamed for the massive budget deficits we haven't seen yet, the increasing unemployment rates, nationalization of private industry, etc. Dems will not be able to defend against these charges because they will clearly have been the cause of these things.

Conservatives and Republicans, being on the outside right now, and lacking control of any part of the government right now, will be able to rightfully deny being a part of it. The right will become ascendent again. And Palin will be perfectly positioned for a run for the Presidency.

That is my prediction.

All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.

Elliot

Art of War - great read :)

Good points, why stay in a position where she cannot do much? Not in the lower 48. Bogged down by legal attacks in her state.

People should remember that she was a point guard [ the leader ] of a cinderalla team that won the state championship.

A good point guard realizes what plays will work what won't and will adjust accordingly. The great ones can see a play before it happens.





G&P

You're either extremely gullible or don't have the integrity to admit the truth. Which is it?You disgust me when you make statements like this to people here.

You disgust me when you make statements like this to people here.

NK, we could talk about disgusting things you do as well, or you could acknowledge the unfairness of many of the attacks on Palin as I have to those on Obama that you raised instead of talking around it. Or we can come to our own conclusions...

Since you never answered my question I have to assume that you can't.

Since you never answered my question I have to assume that you can't.

Your question (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-7.html#post1855312) was answered before you asked it (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-6.html#post1854705) when I told you that Palin is going on the offensive and linked to her column on cap and trade. It's obvious she isn't planning on living her career out of the spotlight.

I answered your first challenge (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-7.html#post1855320) in repudiating the unwarranted attacks on Obama that you listed.

Since you still can't acknowledge the facts I have to assume I was correct in my assessment (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/levis-revelation-374111-10.html#post1855695).

You know NK, the first thing you should do when you're stuck in a hole is stop digging... but don't take my advice.

Weird, first you state (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/1855297-post67.html) that one of the reasons she's quiting is to protect her children from all the crap and now you tell me she's going on the offensive politically which means she's putting herself square in the spotlight again. So which is it? She's stepping away from the spotlight to protect her children or she doesn't really care about that because she's more interested in her politics?

Weird, first you state (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/1855297-post67.html) that one of the reasons she's quiting is to protect her children from all the crap and now you tell me she's going on the offensive politically which means she's putting herself square in the spotlight again. So which is it? She's stepping away from the spotlight to protect her children or she doesn't really care about that because she's more interested in her politics?

NK, keep digging, you're just reinforcing my assessment. You apparently didn't read what I said, "If it were me I would protect my family from such bullsh*t, too, even if it meant being called a quitter." Anyway, my opinion has NOTHING to do with you having the integrity to admit you were wrong about the attacks on her. Her being in or out of the spotlight has NOTHING to do with you being wrong about the attacks on her. Though her stepping down as governor DOES give her protections from further baseless investigations and DOES give her options on keeping the rest of her family out of the target zone.

You just can't admit you were wrong can you?

Though her stepping down as governor DOES give her protections from further baseless investigations and DOES give her options on keeping the rest of her family out of the target zone.
But she's getting right back into the target zone. She's set up a fund to do so: PalinPAC.org (http://www.palinpac.org/)

But she's getting right back into the target zone. She's set up a fund to do so: PalinPAC.org (http://www.palinpac.org/)

The only thing relevant in this particular discussion with you is I have the integrity to defend Obama against damn lies and other completely unfair attacks and you refuse to do the same for Sarah Palin. Just keep digging that hole.

So I guess it's not about the kids then.

The only thing relevant in this particular discussion with you is I have the integrity to defend Obama against damn lies ...
All you do here is start threads about what a bad guy he is: Ask Me Help Desk - Search Results (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=85505&starteronly=1) That ALL you do here!

Nice integrity you have.

So I guess it's not about the kids then.

So you can't admit you were wrong.

All you do here is start threads about what a bad guy he is: Ask Me Help Desk - Search Results (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=85505&starteronly=1) That ALL you do here!

Nice integrity you have.

NK, I hate to tell you but anyone who clicks your link can see it. Just keep digging that hole, lol.