Wasn't it just yesterday that profiling was bad? Now that an abortionist has been murdered it's back in, we need to profile pro-lifers according to Norm Stamper at Huffpo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norm-stamper/its-time-to-profile-poten_b_213225.html).


As far back as 1982, we learned that anywhere from 5 to 20 percent of all criminals commit approximately 80 percent of all (non-drug related) crimes. When a criminal like Scott Roeder establishes a clear pattern of violent and destructive behavior he cries out to be "profiled" by the police. Especially in an era when people like William James O'Reilly (whose Fox TV producers engage in their own form of stalking) demonize the legal conduct of doctors like George Tiller. (O'Reilly's smirking self-righteousness cannot mask the fact that he's helped inflame the passions and harden the criminal resolve of the fixated edges of the anti-reproductive rights movement.)

It's heartening to note that Attorney General Eric Holder has dispatched U.S. Marshals to abortion clinics across the country in order to provide an extra measure of protection and security.

But why does it take yet another killing to spur responsible law enforcement action?

Have they mentioned anything about the murder of Private William Long at Huffpo yet? Should we not also profile the extremists that harass military recruiters and vandalize recruitment centers? Leftist environmental terrorists? Radical Muslim elements? Magazine writers that list conservative women they want to hatef**k?

I thought it was the righties who were against profiling. If nine Middle Eastern men blow up buildings and airplanes, why search about Caucasian (or black or Asian) Grandma in her wheelchair?

I thought it was the righties who were against profiling. If nine Middle Eastern men blow up buildings and airplanes, why search about Caucasian (or black or Asian) Grandma in her wheelchair?

The right is against stupidity in law enforcement. The left is who tends to have spastic hissy fits over profiling.

Now the left is FOR profiling
... of course! They put on whatever fits their agenda at the minute even when it contradicts what they previously had fits about when it was the Republican doing it.

It is exactly why I believe the Democrats are not screaming over the continuance of the war.
They screamed 'Bush's illegal war' and 'It is wrong that even one of our soldiers die' but I haven't heard one single peep out of them on the war since Obama was swore in.

Sapphire, you're right in that they've been awfully quiet but the rumblings are growing a little louder. In this case we have a complete about face in calling for profiling... as long as we're profiling right-wing extremists that may threaten abortion temples and their 'high priests.'

I'm not racist, but I think that profiling is justified in certain situations. Individual rights are important, but must be balanced with safety of society.

Just how bad is profiling? Which is a better use of an LEO's time: checking the car of a young man or an old lady when there has been a rash of car thefts and the only description is "a kid?"

With the exceptions of Tim Mcvay(sic) and Janet Reno, the only terrorist attacks the US has suffered have been committed by young unattatched middle-eastern males. Forbidding keeping a closer eye on such seems very ostrich-like.

It's heartening to note that Attorney General Eric Holder has dispatched U.S. Marshals to abortion clinics across the country in order to provide an extra measure of protection and security.

But why does it take yet another killing to spur responsible law enforcement action?





The whole irony is that the unfortunate killing of one abortionist draws attention to the need for protection and security, yet where is the left in wanting to provide protection and security to the thousands of unborn that this abortionist killed?




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I thought it was the righties who were against profiling. If nine Middle Eastern men blow up buildings and airplanes, why search about Caucasian (or black or Asian) Grandma in her wheelchair?

Because terrorist organizations have opperatives that are old and caucasian.

Just how bad is profiling? Which is a better use of an LEO's time: checking the car of a young man or an old lady when there has been a rash of car thefts and the only description is "a kid?"

With the exceptions of Tim Mcvay(sic) and Janet Reno, the only terrorist attacks the US has suffered have been committed by young unattatched middle-eastern males. Forbidding keeping a closer eye on such seems very ostrich-like.

Unabomber attacks

From 1978 to 1995, neo-luddite radical and former mathematics professor Theodore "Ted" Kaczynski - known by the codename "UNABOM" until his identification and arrest by the FBI - carried out a campaign of sending letterbombs to academics and various individuals particularly associated with modern technology. In 1996, his manifesto was published in The New York Times and the Washington Post, under the threat of more attacks. The bomb campaign ended with his capture.


Oklahoma City bombing

This truck bomb attack by right-wing extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people – the deadliest domestic-based terrorist attack in US history and, before the September 11, 2001 attacks, the deadliest act of terrorism in US history. It inspired improvements to United States federal building security.


Centennial Olympic Park bombing

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing was a terrorist bombing on July 27, 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia, United States during the 1996 Summer Olympics, the first of four committed by Eric Robert Rudolph, former explosives expert for the United States Army. Two people died, and 111 were injured.


2001 anthrax attacks
2001 anthrax attacks
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. In mid-2008, the FBI narrowed its focus to Bruce Edwards Ivins, a scientist who worked at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. Ivins was told of the impending prosecution and on July 27 committed suicide, by an overdose of acetaminophen.


Wichita, Kansas Church Shooting
Assassination of George Tiller
On May 31, 2009, Scott P. Roeder, 51, shot and killed a prominent abortion doctor, Dr. George Tiller, while he was ushering Sunday service at his church in Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Roeder was arrested about three hours after the shooting. He was a member of an anti-government group in the 1990s and a known abortion opponent.


The Holocaust Memorial Shooting
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
An elderly man with believed ties to neo-Nazi groups opened fire on June 10th, 2009 at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, killing one guard.

James W. Von Brunn, 88, who hails from Maryland, reportedly entered the museum shortly before 1 p.m. EDT, took out what appeared to be a rifle and fired at a security guard. Two other security guards returned fire, striking the shooter, according to reports.

A month before a suspected white supremacist walked into the Holocaust Memorial Museum in downtown Washington and opened fire, the Department of Homeland Security warned that domestic right-wing extremism was the most pressing domestic terrorist threat that the country faced

I could go on here

I stand corrected. I'll have the SAIC put a tail on Dare81

yet where is the left in wanting to provide protection and security to the thousands of unborn that this abortionist killed?Hello again, in:

What you DON'T know is talk like that KILLED an innocent man. I'm sorry you don't know that. I wish you did. He didn't kill anybody. He went to his legal job every day, just like you do.

If you have a problem with abortion, take it up the politicians. LEAVE the guys who do their work LEGALLY alone.

excon

Hello again, in:

What you DON'T know is talk like that is what KILLED an innocent man. I'm sorry you don't know that. I wish you did. He didn't kill anybody. He went to his legal job every day, just like you do.

Do you really believe that? So we're supposed to abandon our freedom of speech, our principles, our values because if we say something we're responsible for the act of one crazed man? Bill Maher should be grateful no one killed Cheney...

Do you really believe that? Hello again, Steve:

Of course I do!

You legally own a gun, do you not? Would YOU like protesters on your street carrying signs calling you a killer? Would you like them TOUCHING your guests and calling them names?? Would you stand for it?? I don't think you would. In fact, I think you'd take your legal gun out to the street to have a word with those demonstrators.

You have the right to demonstrate at an abortion clinic. That doesn't make it right... The KKK had the right to march down the main street of Skokie, Illinois too, a town FULL of Jews, but it wasn't right.

excon

Ex ;did you likewise object to the ACORN thugs who "peacefully "protested the AIG execs in their homes ? Heck the threats they received due to Congressional rhetoric could just as easily translated into deranged murder.

Ex ;did you likewise object to the ACORN thugs who "peacefully "protested the AIG execs in their homes ? Hello tom:

NO! They were probably there for a few days at most. Your moral relativism is out to lunch.

excon

My moral relativism ? Let's see; if the AIG people are guilty of anything it is poor management decisions that took their company down .
The people protesting Tiller the late term abortionists were protesting his taking of lives (legally or not) . I'd say the moral compass is heavily pointed in their direction.
If inflamed rhetoric by people protesting Tiller caused a nut job to murder ,then the same inflamed rhetoric by Congressional "leaders " and the White House could've equally been the blame if violence occurred to one of the AIG execs.

Hello tom:

Your moral relativism is out to lunch.

exconHello again, tom:

I got nothing more to say.

excon

Tiller was murdered in his church . Within hours Obama made a statement condemning this "heinous crime", stating that he was "shocked and outraged". Holder dispatched US Marshalls to protect abortion clinics.
Private William Long was murdered in at a recruiting center by a jihadist convert. Two days later Obama "deeply saddened" by this "senseless act of violence". No extra security was dispatched to recruiting centers.

James Von Brunns walked into the Holocost Museum to kill some Jews. Clearly he had to be inspired by the inflamatory right wing extreme rhetoric . That is what they are saying in MSNBC. That is what Pierre Thomas suggested last night on ABC.

The leftys at places like the Daily Kooks are already claiming that because the shooter was a racist neo-Nazi, Janet Napolitano's DHS was right to identify conservatives, libertarians, and returning veterans as potential terrorists in the directive to law enforcement officials that was published and then withdrawn.
Daily Kos: State of the Nation (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/10/740879/-Holocaust-Museum-shooter-may-have-ties-to-hate-groups)

They desperately want the directive reinstated .
Michele Malkin is compiling a sample of similar postings on the lefty blogsphere .
Michelle Malkin Shooting at National Holocaust Museum Updated: Museum guard dies; shooter wasn't “left” or “right,” just plain loony (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/10/shooting-at-national-holocaust-museum/)

The interesting thing that I notice,based on policy towards Israel is that it doesn't appear that the left is particularly fond of Jews .Perhaps the neo-nazi movement is a leftist movement ? Let's see... communism is international socialism... nazi means national socialism .Socialism is a philosophy that defines the left... hmmmmmmmm.

The only antisemetic inflamatory rhetoric I have heard lately in America came from Obama's pastor. Speaking about his current relationship with the President; Wright, at a ministers conference, said, “them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in 5 years when he's a lame duck, or in 8 years when he's out of office.”

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Yeah, I see the pathetic attempt to paint the killer at the holocaust museum as a lefty... You are a sorry bunch.

excon

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Yeah, I see the pathetic attempt to paint the killer at the holocaust museum as a lefty... You are a sorry bunch.

So the left shouldn't have to claim their own loonies, we're supposed to take the fall for all of them?

When they stop trying to link him and the killer of the abortionist to conservatism then perhaps we can move on to some serious discussion . There are nut jobs who will commit violence for all sorts of reasons. Anyone who would murder a Jew visiting a Holocost Museum ,or an abortionist ,or a military recruiter is not working with the same world view of anyone I would associate with.

Hello again, in:

What you DON'T know is talk like that KILLED an innocent man. I'm sorry you don't know that. I wish you did. He didn't kill anybody. He went to his legal job every day, just like you do.

If you have a problem with abortion, take it up the politicians. LEAVE the guys who do their work LEGALLY alone.

excon


Prove that TALK KILLED Tiller. It was one person who killed Tiller. Has he stated and can it be proven that someone told him and forced him to kill Tiller? :confused:

We do know that TILLER did in fact KILL thousands of the unborn, plenty in the third trimester, year in and year out.





G&P

Prove that TALK KILLED Tiller. It was one person who killed Tiller. Has he stated and can it be proven that someone told him and forced him to kill Tiller? :confused:

We do know that TILLER did in fact KILL thousands of the unborn, plenty in the third trimester, year in and year out.





G&P

Yes he killed thousand of unborn childern, but what he did wasn't illegal.Just like torture .Get it

Yes he killed thousand of unborn childern, but what he did wasn't illegal.Just like torture .Get it



You just admitted that Tiller KILLED yet you hide behind whether it is legal or not?

In another lifetime did you hide behind the legality of slavery?

Torture I am against just like I am against the murder of any human being, Tiller included.

But since you bring up "torture:"

Abortion not only kills an unborn baby , but like any operative procedure carries a real risk to the woman who has an abortion.

Cemetery of Choice: The cost of abortion in women's lives (http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/deaths/bldeaths.htm)

Why do you advocate for POWs in the war on terror, but try to rationalize that the killing of the unborn is "legal?" :confused: Do you think terrorists have more rights? :confused:






G&P