I'm not sure which is worse, the left's rabid hatred of Bush or their creepy infatuation with the Obama's. We're getting such hard hitting investigative journalism as Michelle's $540 sneakers, what the Obama's had for lunch, what a fashionista Michelle is, how magnificently toned her arms are and oh those pecs on Barack. Now, a little over 100 days in and Oprha has declared Michelle the greatest first lady EVER (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/05/06/2009-05-06_michelle_obama.html)!


Though the room was filled with luminaries from around the world, most were star-struck to be in First Lady's company - even old friend Oprah Winfrey, her tablemate at the event. (See more in Gatecrasher, pages, 26-27)

"Seeing as how Michelle is the greatest First Lady we've ever known, not to take anything away from the other First Ladies, but I think its so fantastic that she's tonight's guest and leads the pack of influentials," Winfrey told the Daily News.

"I think that we see that Michelle is someone of multi-dimensions, and that you don't have to be just one thing, you can be many things," said Diane Sawyer. "In many ways were just getting to know all that she can and will do."

"She's very warm. She's very sane," said "The View" co-host Joy Behar. "She's not crazy like some people in politics."

"Michelle is incredible, I think she's amazing," said designer and Beatles scion Stella McCartney, who also made Time's list. "The half-American in me wants to dress her."

Step aside Eleanor Roosevelt, Dolly Madison, Ladybird and Jackie-O, Michelle is in the house. Can we get a towel here so these folks can wipe the drool from their faces?

Speech I didn't know you are an Oprah fan.

I take it you are not a fan.

I really don't relate to Oprah.

No not Oprah, Michelle Obama

She's very sane


Such a refreshing change after all the very insane first ladies there have been down the years:rolleyes:.

Oh no I think Michelle is great. A little to early to call her the greatest first lady ever. She seems nice, sweet, and genuine. I just like messing with speech. He is a cool guy.

No, I'm not a fan of either. I find the worship of both ladies a little disturbing.

Come on speech you know you have the O magazine with Michelle on the cover framed hanging next to you right now.:D

Come on speech you know you have the O magazine with Michelle on the cover framed hanging next to you right now.:D

What, and take down my framed Bush-Cheney poster?

I'll nominate Abigail Adams... both a 1st lady and mother of a President . Born today she would've achieved a greatness that none of the contemporary 1st ladies could match. She was John Adams closest political and moral advisor while he served as President . He called her his "fellow labourer and Mrs. President ."

Her letters to both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson are must reads to understand the time of the founding .She held her own intellectually with both.

One on the wall one on the mantle. See we are hitting that elusive middle ground the left and right are always looking for.

I'll nominate Abigail Adams....both a 1st lady and mother of a President . Born today she would've achieved a greatness that none of the contemporary 1st ladies could match. She was John Adams closest political and moral advisor while he served as President . He called her his "fellow labourer and Mrs. President ."

Her letters to both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson are must reads to understand the time of the founding .She held her own intellectually with both.

Great choice, tom. Unfortunately she didn't wear $540 sneakers.

Yeah when I heard that I said typical do as I say not as I do. Like when Teresa Heinz went through Etna to see the Ivan damage
She said, "I wish there was something I could do" as she watched the workers hauling the damaged things out of the houses and stores.
They said she could have at least bought them a case of Iron City and a case of Heinz Ketchup and some hot dogs.

Michelle O has figuratively put her foot in her mouth a few times just like Obama and I doubt it will be the last.

one on the wall one on the mantle. see we are hitting that elusive middle ground the left and right are always looking for.

Can I still keep my dog Molly as my desktop wallpaper?

Hey good thing McCain didn't get elected His wife's outfits cost thousands upon thousands of dollars. So you would be saying the same thing about how much her sneakers cost Right Speech.

Can I still keep my dog Molly as my desktop wallpaper?

Yeah you can keep Molly!

Hey good thing McCain didn't get elected His wifes outfits cost thousands upon thousands of dollars. So you would be saying the same thing about how much her sneakers cost Right Speech.

Actually I don't know that Cindy wears sneakers. She can afford to wear whatever she wants but I she would not have gotten near the adulation in the media. Heck, I thought Laura Bush was a great first lady - smart, pretty, always well dressed, pleasant and articulate.

Also would like to give kudos to Edith Wilson . One of the closest advisors to President Woodrow Wilson ,she was in fact for all practical purposes the acting President after he had a stroke from Sept. 1919 until the end of Wilson's term .During that time she took over many of the duties and details of government .She did not initiate programs .She delegated much of the decision making to his cabinet.But ,effectively the chief of staff, she read all papers and documents, made priorities over policy; and decided which issues would go to the president ,and which people would see the president.

I wonder if anyone knows who the worse first lady was?

I wonder if anyone knows who the worse first lady was?

Not yet.

Did she wear the sneakers to a State dinner?

I wonder if anyone knows who the worse first lady was?

My instinct would to be to nominate the current Secretary of State but that may not be fair.

I'd have to go with either Mary Todd Lincoln or Florence Kling Harding... Probably Harding because there were suspicions that she had her husband killed (not that I blame her .He was a cad philanderer worse then Slick Willie) .

Mary Todd Lincoln ? The 1st thing she did entering the White House during the nations worse crisis was to redecorate . She also is the model for Michelle Obama's fashion sense. She frequently made trips to NY to lavishly shop. Shopping was an addiction or a remedy for her many mental health issues.

Gal I think she wore them on the today show or some show like that.

Supposedly she wears them to walk the dog, 'they're just shoes' she said. She was caught sporting them while volunteering at the DC food bank (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2009/05/01/2009-05-01_first_lady_michelle_obama_kicks_in_own_foot_fea t_for_fashionistas_lanvin.html) to help feed the poor.

I agree they are just shoes. I have a pair $250 and $125 pair of sneakers from a company called undrcrwn (http://www.undrcrwn.com/). I say if you have the money where whatever you want. Oh and here is a preemptive answer to the well she was wearing them to a food bank comment. So what!

That would have course be our answer... wear what you please.

But in her case it appears to be just another hypocrisy.

Why is it Hypocrisy? I missed what she said

Why is it Hypocricy? I missed what she said

Personally I think it's a little insensitive to wear $540 sneakers to feed the poor, but then the "poor" in America is often a misnomer. The hypocrisy is in her celebrated "cost conscious" approach to fashion which was widely trumpeted in the media while they were slamming Sarah Palin's expensive wardrobe. Now it appears to be spare no expense.

I am confused did she say she was cost conscious or did the media label her as cost conscious.

She's a hypocrite because she and hubby have touted the class warfare garbage to rise to power. She reminds me of 'Raibow High' in Evita.

I came from the people
They need to adore me
So Christian Dior me
From my head to my toes
I need to be dazzling
I want to be Rainbow High!
They must have excitement
And so must I

I'm their savior!
That's what they call me
So Lauren Bacall me
Anything goes
To make me fantastic
I have to be Rainbow High
In magical colors--

You're not decorating a girl for a night on the town!
And I'm not a second-rate queen getting kicks with a crown!

This is a women who goes to make an address at universities blasting conspicuous consumption and argued that graduates should resist the temptation for big buck industries and instead look for careers in public service that would require the foreswearing of material gain.

"We left corporate America, which is a lot of what we're asking young people to do" "Don't go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we're encouraging our young people to do that."

Yeah those J crew and H&M outfits really Lauren Becall her. You guys are really R E A C H I N G on this one

Yeah those J crew and H&M outfits really Lauren Becall her. you guys are really R E A C H I N G on this one

It's no reach Spit, it's old news. The left gets obsessed with decrying excesses of rich Republicans but doesn't blink at their own excesses. But the shoes were just part of the larger point of this thread, a) how in God's name can anyone declare Michelle Obama to be "the greatest First Lady we've ever known" 3 months into the administration, and b) where the hell is the adversarial media? We're getting puff pieces on the kind of crap I mentioned and things like Joe and O went to have a hamburger (http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=105475&catid=81).

I used to wonder if the left had lost their minds over their obsession with hating Bush. After watching all the drooling over the Obama's I think I can safely say they that's no longer in doubt.

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Uhh mr president... that's not your teleprompter .

I already agreed with you that no one can claim she is the greatest first lady ever since she hasn't even been there a year.

Oh I agree about the hamburger piece. But if it wasn't that puff piece then it would have been a different puff piece. That is why I don't watch the news. In philly the news usually starts with someone getting shot, Then a corruption story about some philly cop then puff story, then another puff story, then A is something in your home killing you story, then sports, then weather then more puff.

I just hate it so much

You guys are just mad because Obama knows what a teleprompter is. And Bush kept asking where his cartoons were every time they turned the teleprompter on. (sorry I couldn't resist)

Imagine the outrage and media feeding frenzy if President Bush had eaten at this restaurant under this sexploitation movie poster ?
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/787/captf322317a2e354c84bc3.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20090505/i/r3791436690.jpg?x=400&y=304&q=85&sig=7qhrkePM8ZBbzGeH8ZlrXg--

You want me to put some chump change in the tip jar ? Might as well... you'll be paying it back in taxes anyway!!

Joe Biden asked for a Nuevo Texican Whopper
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SeSJgWXUD7I/AAAAAAAATvY/VOz6MmPHcQU/s400/texican-whopper.jpg

Tom come on no claims tip jar money on their taxes!

Tax Tip: Tips are taxable income and must be reported to the IRS. (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/tips/20010215a.asp)

I didn't say they weren't taxable, I said no claims them on their taxes.

Not yet.

Did she wear the sneakers to a State dinner?

No. She wore her $570 sneakers while making a public appearance at a local food bank to dish out lunch to people in poverty.

Talk about tone deaf.

Elliot

No. She wore her $570 sneakers while making a public appearance at a local food bank to dish out lunch to people in poverty.

Talk about tone deaf.

Elliot

Tone deaf? I don't get it?

You may have misunderstood my question about where she wore the sneakers. I really didn't know, so I wondered just how savvy she is on fashion.

Ummm let me see if you wear tennis shoes to serve at a food bank
And you claim that you do not go to expensive stores
And you tell others that they should sacrifice for the good of the poor

Hypocrite or not 'getting it' comes to mind.

Has Oprah forgotten about Eleanor Roosevelt who worked tirelessly for the U.S. and made policy toward civil rights that has become unprecedented in history?

Not to mention her other numerous achievements as first lady.

Her human rights activism is legendary.

Love Oprah but she dropped the ball on this one.

I think Michelle has fantastic potential ,yet to be realized to gain the title of *best first lady ever*.

Tone deaf? I don't get it?

You may have misunderstood my question about where she wore the sneakers. I really didn't know, so I wondered just how savvy she is on fashion.

Gal,

Tone deaf, in this context, means someone who doesn't understand what other people may be thinking or feeling.

Wearing $540 sneakers to a soup kitchen where people are mostly too poor to feed themselves indicates that she lacks a certain empathy (hey excon, see that?! ) and understanding of the plight of those around her. She is "tone deaf" to their feelings and personal situations.

Sort of the same way that the President going on a very public golf outing while the country is in the midst of the "worst financial disaster since the great depression" might indicate a lack of empathy with the plight of main street Americans.

Or how the MSM making Obama and Biden eating a hamburger into a major news item at the same time that we have swine flu, financial unrest, nuclear proliferation and political infighting taking place, might indicate that the MSM hass lost perspective on what is newsworthy and what is not. They seem to be tone deaf to what the real news of the day is.

That's what I mean by "tone deaf".

Elliot

... or how they wasted cost $328835 on the NY fly over. That was the dumbest most insensitive stunt ever.

....or how they wasted cost $328835 on the NY fly over. That was the dumbest most insensitive stunt ever.

Yes... another good example of tone deafness. Thanks, NH4U.

Michelle Obama...

*snooze*

What has she done?

Oh yea visit soup kitchen - wait I do that.

Oh sorry she also paid a visit to a cancer ward and started making an organic garden..

Whoops did I forget that she is "promiting bills" that her husband is trying to pass.


----If clothing is all we can talk about and how "awesome" she is then really she isn't that great.

I'm with Art Eleanor Roosevelt was a great first lady.

Ugh.

Sarah

Eleanor Roosevelt was truly a great first lady. She tirelessly visited the American people since Franklin basically couldn't due to his infirmity. She was a great ambassador to the American people and then to the entire world. She would go to the American people, whether it was in the bowels of the earth in a coal mine, or visit an orphanage. Eleanor was definitely NOT a clothes horse and cared little for fashion. She had other things to occupy her mind and time. Eleanor had real class.

I can't say that Michelle Obama has any real fashion sense unless you could call her a serious K Mart or Wal Mart shopper. Her outfits are truly laughable and extremely wrong for most public appearances she has made so far. The laughable outfits she wore in Europe were truly a statement of what NOT to wear when meeting the Queen of England or the wife of the President of France.

It would be like saying Princess Diana looked stunning in her K Mart skirt at a dinner attended by foreign diplomats. Diana had real style and class even if she was taking the garbage out. I can't really say that much about Michelle. She looks like she's taking the garbage out regardless of WHAT she has on.

And let's not forget this woman wears wigs all the time. Her real hair is very short. Everyone seems to forget this woman is a phony from the get go - even down to her fake hair.

As far as Oprah is concerned, she just wants to get in on the "free goodies" she can glean from the White House. She'll be happy with any crumbs that fall her way - such as an "exclusive" interview with Michelle - or whatever. Quite frankly, who cares. I don't. And I don't think most real American citizens care either. The fashion crap is just media plugs keeping America from hearing what is really going on in the country.

And let's not forget the 9,000 gallons of fuel Bammy wasted for Earth Day visiting Iowa.

Both of those two "ladies" are extremely wasteful, arrogant, ignorant, and highly self centered. The ladies I refer to are BO and MO. They do not have America's best interest at heart. Sorry.

That tyrade is very un-ladylike of you twinkie but I must say not surprising. Why you so angry. Most little old women I know aren't so bitter.

And you are in the minority if you think Michelle Obama's fashion sense is poor. In fact Europe thought her choice of dress was very good. But who cares anyway!!

Eleanor Roosevelt was truly a great first lady. She tirelessly visited the American people since Franklin basically couldn't due to his infirmity. She was a great ambassador to the American people and then to the entire world. She would go to the American people, whether it was in the bowels of the earth in a coal mine, or visit an orphanage. Eleanor was definitely NOT a clothes horse and cared little for fashion. She had other things to occupy her mind and time. Eleanor had real class.

I can't say that Michelle Obama has any real fashion sense unless you could call her a serious K Mart or Wal Mart shopper. Her outfits are truly laughable and extremely wrong for most public appearances she has made so far. The laughable outfits she wore in Europe were truly a statement of what NOT to wear when meeting the Queen of England or the wife of the President of France.

It would be like saying Princess Diana looked stunning in her K Mart skirt at a dinner attended by foreign diplomats. Diana had real style and class even if she was taking the garbage out. I can't really say that much about Michelle. She looks like she's taking the garbage out regardless of WHAT she has on.

And let's not forget this woman wears wigs all the time. Her real hair is very short. Everyone seems to forget this woman is a phony from the get go - even down to her fake hair.

As far as Oprah is concerned, she just wants to get in on the "free goodies" she can glean from the White House. She'll be happy with any crumbs that fall her way - such as an "exclusive" interview with Michelle - or whatever. Quite frankly, who cares. I don't. And I don't think most real American citizens care either. The fashion crap is just media plugs keeping America from hearing what is really going on in the country.

And let's not forget the 9,000 gallons of fuel Bammy wasted for Earth Day visiting Iowa.

Both of those two "ladies" are extremely wasteful, arrogant, ignorant, and highly self centered. The ladies I refer to are BO and MO. They do not have America's best interest at heart. Sorry.

Did you get it all out do you fell better now, now go and worship the bush cheney statue you have in the living room

Did you get it all out do you fell better now,
After you read a few of her posts you get a pretty good idea of the mentality at work here.

So yesterday I was watching sesame street with my daughter, guess who was in it?

Michelle Obama.

-sigh-

Sarah

So yesterday I was watching sesame street with my daughter, guess who was in it?

Michelle Obama.

Cool!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090506/capt.00c47939608249c7ba4bd2ae14ceafbb.michelle_oba ma_sesame_street_ny136.jpg?x=245&y=345&q=85&sig=Ifzhb2z3OnkLmeVSjUM.cA--

Michelle asking Elmo why there is no arugula in the basket.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20090505/i/r3791436690.jpg?x=400&y=304&q=85&sig=7qhrkePM8ZBbzGeH8ZlrXg--
Ahhhh... I'll have a... ummm... double wagyu beef burger... with tomatillo.. uhhhh... arugula... and uhh ahh country dijon grey poupon mustard .

Tom,
I don't think you are aware of the impression you give out with these posts.

To whom ?

Tom,
I don't think you are aware of the impression you give out with these posts.

He gives me the impression of being a guy with a sense of humor. One that you are clearly lacking.

He gives me the impression of being a guy with a sense of humor. One that you are clearly lacking.
"Duh, I'll post whatver I, duh, want, duh ...."
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LOL!

Yeah, NK why do you have to be such a..

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Sarah

Yeah, NK why do you have to be such a ..

http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/images/products/NEW5/PARTY-POOPER.GIF


SarahHow did I poop on your party?

How did I poop on your party?

Ooh I was just teasin' you NK.:rolleyes:

Sarah

Anyways... back to the main issue.

Does anyone know what M.O is trying to do other than the whole "healthy" crap?

Just wondering...
Sarah

You mean by appearing on Sesame Street ? I can't question her motives .She by all appearances is a good mother and family woman.

MO is not the first First Lady to appear on Sesame Street. I got to go with Tom on this. She seems like she's being earnest and has all the right motives on this one. I got no issues with that. We are dealing with an obesity crisis in the USA, and she's taking the bull by the horns to try and teach kids a better way. (And I speak as an obesity sufferer myself... though I tend to use the term "fat". I dislike PC terms being applied to ME as much as to others.)

Elliot

No no no... Other than Sesame street and her little organic garden and organic foods in the Whitehouse. I understand the whole healthy thing but well is there anything else?

--- Does she have any "plans" about other things? --- I know she supports her husband's stimulus bill and the whole equal pay "thing".

Sarah

or how they wasted cost $328835 on the NY fly over. That was the dumbest most insensitive stunt ever.

But what a great photo-op!!

http://www.drudgereport.com/afnyc.jpg

But with some photo shop they could've visited
NYC during the St . Patty's day parade

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/29/amd_plane_parade.jpg

Fly it under the Brooklyn Bridge

http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NYDN/1UserPhotos/521467T.jpg (http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/photos/FImage.aspx?ImageID=521467&EventID=741413&CategoryID=49366)

Flyover the new Yankee Stadium

http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NYDN/1UserPhotos/520001T.jpg (http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/photos/FImage.aspx?ImageID=520001&EventID=741413&CategoryID=49366)

Or buzz King Kong

http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NYDN/1UserPhotos/519640T.jpg (http://nydailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/photos/FImage.aspx?ImageID=519640&EventID=741413&CategoryID=49366)

also would like to give kudos to Edith Wilson . One of the closest advisors to President Woodrow Wilson ,she was in fact for all practical purposes the acting President after he had a stroke from Sept. 1919 until the end of Wilson's term .During that time she took over many of the duties and details of government .She did not initiate programs .She delegated much of the decision making to his cabinet.But ,effectively the chief of staff, she read all papers and documents, made priorities over policy; and decided which issues would go to the president ,and which people would see the president.

That's very interesting.I never knew that! I love to hear about the hidden women behind the man. Thank-you I will have to investigate her further.I guess that old saying has some credence ,a man is as good as the woman behind him:)

Kudos, Tom!

The photo shop of the photo op was really cool!

No no no... Other than Sesame street and her little organic garden and organic foods in the Whitehouse. I understand the whole healthy thing but well is there anything else?

--- Does she have any "plans" about other things?

Sarah ,check this article out

Michelle Obama, Mom-in-Chief (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/432957/michelle_obama_mom_in_chief?rel=hp_picks)

I am not sure she won't use her position to propel her into a political career of her own ala Evita Clintoon... but that is for future considerations.

For now (the fashion thing aside )she appears to want to concentrate on supporting family friendly polices.

Speaking of mom-in-chief...


The Nation's Embracing, and Embraceable, Arms
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/07/AR2009050704538.html?wprss=rss_print/style)
By Sally Quinn
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 10, 2009

"May I change the subject," said a prominent Washington theologian at a recent dinner. The conversation had been high-minded -- religion, philosophy, the nature of evil. "I'd like to talk about Michelle Obama's arms," he said.

He is a big fan of those arms. We then began a discussion about the significance of the first lady's arms. Actually, it turned out to be equally serious. Michelle Obama's arms, we determined, were transformational. Her arms are representative of a new kind of woman: young, strong, vigorous, intelligent, accomplished, sexual, powerful, embracing and, most of all, loving.

Today is Mother's Day. Today we should celebrate Michelle Obama's arms as the arms of a mother.

This is a woman who has the courage to say "I am mom in chief" and make her children and her family -- unapologetically -- her No. 1 priority. She is able to do this because she is so intelligent and accomplished that she doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. She is healthy enough to be able to say, this is who I am, these are my values and my priorities.

She has come under attack for exposing her arms. They are toned and muscular, burnished and beautiful. That has to be threatening to some. For some men, often, a strong woman makes them feel diminished. For some feminists, the idea of an educated woman not taking on a full-time serious job is a frightening throwback...

LOL, they're nice arms but they certainly aren't the nicest arms I've seen on a woman, so what the heck is this obsession with her arms?

Let's not forget that MO was ashamed of her country until her husband was a candidate for President.

YouTube - Michelle Obama: "Proud of Her Country" Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNGjawtP48)

The press is doing a great job of softening her character, but during the campaign it was easy to hear the anger in her.

Speaking of mom-in-chief...



LOL, they're nice arms but they certainly aren't the nicest arms I've seen on a woman, so what the heck is this obsession with her arms?

Who cares? I mean really... what is WRONG with US as a nation that this kind of thing makes the news? We really should be embarrassed but alas we are too far gone...

Who cares? I mean really....what is WRONG with US as a nation that this kind of thing makes the news? We really should be embarrassed but alas we are too far gone.....

What's more embarrassing is this is what our media has become, infatuated with a politician and her wife's arms.

Your media is simply reporting what sells best, and is a reflection on the dumbed down materialistic society. Its only marginally better down here.

I know... she is now the Secretary of State.