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turtlegirl16
Apr 17, 2009, 07:52 PM
Today was Day of Silence.
I participated because most of my friends are either gay or bi. My mom today after school asked me about my opinion to it all. She said that if you are gay, you are born with it, its like a genetic thing, not a choice. I dissagree with her, I believe being gay is a choice, just like being bi is a choice.
Am I right or is my mom right?
J_9
Apr 17, 2009, 07:54 PM
Today was Day of Silence.
I participated because most of my friends are either gay or bi. My mom today after school asked me about my opinion to it all. She said that if you are gay, you are born with it, its like a genetic thing, not a choice. I dissagree with her, I beleive being gay is a choice, just like being bi is a choice.
Am I right or is my mom right?
No one is right or wrong. We don't have a scientific answer to that question yet. Right now it is based solely on belief.
turtlegirl16
Apr 17, 2009, 08:03 PM
My mom said that I could even ask her gay friend, that he would let me know that it is genetic, but I still don't believe her...
Bonnie46
Apr 17, 2009, 08:16 PM
Hi Turtlegirl16
Actually, there is now scientific evidence of the brain - where they've proved that there is a hormonal difference between heterosexual and homosexual individuals. You can hold your beliefs - I won't argue with you, but I think that your Mom is correct. There are very strong genetic predispositions towards sexual preference, and many homosexual people will tell you that they knew they were born gay - long before they ever hit puberty. If being gay IS a choice - ask yourself this: WHY would ANYONE choose that choice for themselves?? It doesn't make sense. That's like saying that a person chooses to be born with downs syndrome or chooses to be born as a little person or chooses to be born with MS (mutiple sclerosis). No one would wish that upon themselves. What a person CAN choose is whether to hide being gay or deciding to accept it, and be flamboyant and parade around. That's what I believe. Anyway, I'm glad that you have gay and bi friends.
Take care.
sGt HarDKorE
Apr 17, 2009, 08:16 PM
I suggest doing some research and making your own opinion. There are statistics that go both ways, and arguments on both sides.
Fr_Chuck
Apr 17, 2009, 08:27 PM
This is a question that does not have a answer
shazamataz
Apr 18, 2009, 06:35 AM
They have tried to prove it through science but it all sounds pretty inconclusive.
I personally believe that it is something people are born with but that's just my opinion.
A friend of mine had shown gay tendencies since a very young age... when he turned 16 he told us all he was gay...
shazamataz
Apr 18, 2009, 06:36 AM
Sorry, I just had to add this...
Are you gay or straight?
Would you just sleep with another girl because you felt like it?
talaniman
Apr 18, 2009, 06:55 AM
Gays have been around as long as man has walked the earth, but no one knows why they are the way they are. The only thing we do know is they are people too, and deserve the same treatment we all do. You don't have to understand them, just live with them.
shazamataz
Apr 18, 2009, 11:53 AM
Sorry, I just had to add this...
Are you gay or straight?
Would you just sleep with another girl because you felt like it?
Please read the site rules, my answer was not factually incorrect therefor you shouldn't give me a reddie.
I was making a point that if you couldn't just decide to sleep with a girl then your theory of choice is wrong.
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 12:07 PM
Recent scientific studies of the brain(pet scans) have shown a difference in the brains of homosexuals that give further credence to the genetic theory of homosexuality.
Years ago,before is was OK to be gay,my gay friend said to me *If it was a choice,do you think I would have chose this*?
The social stigma at the time was akin to being a social outcast.
I am of the mind set that it is NOT CHOICE.
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 12:11 PM
Sorry, I just had to add this...
Are you gay or straight?
Would you just sleep with another girl because you felt like it?
She does this all the time with the reddies.I tried to give you a balancer greenie but had to spread the rep.The admin.will take it off ,as she is clearly misunderstanding the reason for a reddie!
sGt HarDKorE
Apr 18, 2009, 12:11 PM
Recent scientific studies of the brain(pet scans) have shown a difference in the brains of homosexuals that give further credence to the genetic theory of homosexuality.
Years ago,before is was OK to be gay,my gay friend said to me *If it was a choice,do you think I would have chose this*?
The social stigma at the time was akin to being a social outcast.
I am of the mind set that it is NOT CHOICE.
In school or my school at least they are beginning to teach the causes of homosexuality as part of science classes, and from what I've learned from that, it pushed me further into thinking its NOT a choice as well. But before the classes, I believed it wasn't a choice
shazamataz
Apr 18, 2009, 12:17 PM
She does this all the time with the reddies.I tried to give you a balancer greenie but had to spread the rep.The admin.will take it off ,as she is clearly misunderstanding the reason for a reddie!
Thanks artlady I appreciate the gesture :)
Silverfoxkit
Apr 18, 2009, 12:32 PM
I personally believe that there are instances where both possibilities are true. I do believe that many people are born homosexual. That there is a physical reason for it, but I do not believe every single gay individual in the world is true to this scientific reason. Despite the stigma I do believe there are some that are gay by choice. I do not see it as a black and white question. What matters isn't the person's orientation but how the person acts, manners, morals, just the same as everyone else. Being homosexual does not mean someone is a bad person anymore then being heterosexual does. Just my opinion but that's how I feel.
shazamataz
Apr 18, 2009, 12:55 PM
Couldn't give you good rep silverfox but I like your way of thinking :)
starbuck8
Apr 18, 2009, 01:26 PM
Turtlegirl16 disagrees: this may be hypocritical but I think that's personal.
Turtlegirl16, once again I will ask you, please read the rules and regs of this site! You cannot indiscrimately give a disagree at will.
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 01:53 PM
My opinion is that you're born gay, but that's just opinion, not fact.
I have gay friends too, and they all knew at a very young age that they were gay.
So, choice? I don't think so.
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 03:56 PM
I participated because most of my friends are either gay or bi
Why aren't you asking them?
These are your friends? If most of your friends are gay that is a good indication you are as well.People tend to hang with people who are like them.It's all good.You have to be with people who *get you* :)
I suspect from your posts that you are struggling with some issue about your own orientation.
I also sense a lot of anger in you.From a virtual point only but I do.
For example,you have been told that you give out reddies for factually incorrect information. You continue to give them out whenever someone disagrees with your opinion.
You are angry and I think you are in some sort of a issue about your own sexual preference and please know that we will help you to the best of ability.
Being angry about things doesn't do much to change things.
You need to be nicer to people around here if you want anyone to be nice back.
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 04:23 PM
Comments on this post
Altenweg agrees: You just gave me my 1100 greenie and my next square. Thanks. :)
Greeniies are my favorite ! I love to give greenies because its so nice when people make you think and smile and when you see them sharing the love,its all good!I think I have only given under 10 reddies. Well deserved! :D
I don't care about greenies,
Yes I do but I really want an animated avatar would be nice.I want one.Can you talk to someone :rolleyes:
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 04:26 PM
Greeniies are my favorite ! I love to give greenies because its so nice when people make you think and smile and when you see them sharing the love,its all good!I think I have only given under 10 reddies. Well deserved!!:D
I don't care about greenies,
yes I do but I really want an animated avatar would be nice.I want one.Can you talk to someone :rolleyes:
I'm not even allowed an animated avatar, so I can't help you there. :eek:
Just keep doing what you're doing, get to expert status, then to mod status, then you can have your animated avy. :)
After that, you recommend that they allow me to have one too.
See how this works? ;)
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 04:52 PM
I'm not even allowed an animated avatar, so I can't help you there. :eek:
Just keep doing what you're doing, get to expert status, then to mod status, then you can have your animated avy. :)
After that, you recommend that they allow me to have one too.
See how this works? ;)
That sounds like way too much work for me:)
turtlegirl16
Apr 18, 2009, 05:29 PM
Fine, then I take the reddie back and answer you question, Shazamataz. I am bisexual by CHOICE.
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 05:30 PM
Fine, then I take the reddie back and answer you question, Shazamataz. I am bisexual by CHOICE.
Well then why ask the question, you seem to believe you have the answer.
Others would disagree, but so what. Who cares if it's a choice or genetic? It is what it is, that's all you need to know or care about.
artlady
Apr 18, 2009, 05:32 PM
Fine, then I take the reddie back and answer you question, Shazamataz. I am bisexual by CHOICE.
Why are you so mad ?
You seem angry.Is there something you want to share that is making you so angry?
I'm really not trying to be nosy but if you need help,you are among friends here.
Talk it out :)
turtlegirl16
Apr 18, 2009, 05:33 PM
I am asking if being gay is a choice or genetics.
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 05:35 PM
I have to agree Artsy. I too sense a lot of anger.
Turtlegirl, we're here to help people. If you need help then you can ask for it here.
You're anonymous, so whatever you want to talk about, it stays here.
Think about it. We're sensing a lot of contained anger in you. Maybe it's time to let it out.
turtlegirl16
Apr 18, 2009, 05:36 PM
No, I am not mad, its just the deal where the reddies, I thought they were ratings, that's why I put them there. It says rate this answer, Its not a "I dont wanna" thing. I just misunderstood.
Silverfoxkit
Apr 18, 2009, 05:39 PM
What do you define as being gay? ONLY being attracted to the same gender? I personally feel that since being bi also includes attraction to the same gender then it is not defined separately. You are being awfully defensive and no one here is trying to upset you. Like artlady said, where here to listen if there's something you would like to get off your chest.
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 05:41 PM
No, I am not mad, its just the deal where the reddies, I thought they were ratings, thats why I put them there. It says rate this answer, Its not a "I dont wanna" thing. I just misunderstood.
It does explain how to rate in the rules, that's why it's upsetting to all of us, it seems too many people come here and don't bother to read the rules. I had asked you yesterday not to give reddies unless the post was factually incorrect, but then today you did it again, that why I said it was a case of "I don't wanna" because you'd already been told.
Misunderstandings happen, and none of use are immune to that. Now you know, so let's move on, put that in the past. Okay? :)
And just so it is clear.
The rules are;
A reddie can only be given for factually incorrect information, not for opinions.
In other words. If I write "Snow is purple" then you can give me a reddie, because that's factually incorrect. But, if I write "I think that snow is purple in some places" well, that's an opinion, not subject to reddies. Then, if you don't agree, you can quote that and post what you think. Understand?
The rules just keep things civilized. After all, we're all human, and we can all get heated at times. Trust me, I know! :eek::D
turtlegirl16
Apr 18, 2009, 05:51 PM
Altenweg: Did you write this in this thread because I may have overlooked that page... My easily made mistake.
Silverfoxkit: I define gay as attracted to your same gender and only that gender. Bisexual I consider as attracted to both genders, including your own.
Alty
Apr 18, 2009, 05:57 PM
Altenweg: Did you write this in this thread because i may have overlooked that page... My easily made mistake.
Silverfoxkit: I define gay as attracted to your same gender and only that gender. Bisexual I consider as attracted to both genders, including your own.
No, it was another thread, I believe in the dogs forum, but I really don't remember which exact thread. I can check if you want, and yes, it's possible that you didn't see it.
Like I said, now you know. I don't look back, I look forward, so no worries. Okay? ;)
turtlegirl16
Apr 18, 2009, 05:58 PM
Okay! ;)
shazamataz
Apr 19, 2009, 03:48 AM
Fine, then I take the reddie back and answer you question, Shazamataz. I am bisexual by CHOICE.
No need to yell :)
Like I said it was just a question, I never meant to offend anyone.
I don't understand bisexuals.. and I don't mean that in a mean way at all, I just genuanely don't understand. Some people are genuine about being bi-sexual and really do like both sexes but some people (especially younger girls) become "bi-sexual" because they think kissing another girl makes them "cool"
turtlegirl16
Apr 19, 2009, 11:38 AM
That's not me at all. I do like both sexes but honestly, I would only use dating another girl as a last resort, maybe never at all.
a la king
Apr 19, 2009, 08:27 PM
Hi Turtlegirl16
actually, there is now scientific evidence of the brain - where they've proved that there is a hormonal difference between heterosexual and homosexual individuals. You can hold your beliefs - I won't argue with you, but I think that your Mom is correct. There are very strong genetic predispositions towards sexual preference, and many homosexual people will tell you that they knew they were born gay - long before they ever hit puberty. If being gay IS a choice - ask yourself this: WHY would ANYONE choose that choice for themselves? ?!?! it doesn't make sense. That's like saying that a person chooses to be born with downs syndrome or chooses to be born as a little person or chooses to be born with MS (mutiple sclerosis). No one would wish that upon themselves. What a person CAN choose is whether to hide being gay or deciding to accept it, and be flamboyant and parade around. that's what I believe. Anyway, I'm glad that you have gay and bi friends.
take care.
Interesting. You really made being homosexual sound like a disability.
turtlegirl16
Apr 20, 2009, 10:00 AM
RIGHT? I didn't notice that...
talaniman
Apr 20, 2009, 10:35 AM
I think in the absence of strong evidence, every one has their own opinion, whether we agree or disagree.
Mostly though I believe that we are products of our own upbringing, or beliefs when it comes to our opinions of others, especially if they can't understand the motivations or the behaviors they don't understand.
Sometimes we don't understand our own feelings, but the bottom line is how we deal with it.
Ren6
Apr 20, 2009, 12:06 PM
Thats not me at all. I do like both sexes but honestly, I would only use dating another girl as a last resort, maybe never at all.
I'm not understanding what you're saying... you would only date another girl as a last resort? That doesn't sound very "bi" to me. As for me, I'm gay (lesbian). I had feelings for other girls from the age of nine, and it didn't feel like a choice at all. It's just the way I am. If you have so many gay friends, I'm shocked you haven't asked them... if you can't ask your friends, who can you ask?
spitvenom
Apr 20, 2009, 12:14 PM
I am on your mom side.
88sunflower
Apr 20, 2009, 12:30 PM
Being gay shouldn't be compared to a disability. Its totally different. You can be attracted to the same sex and have a normal functioning life. Unlike most disabilities. I agree on both sides. I do think its born in you with out choice. But I think you have that choice of letting it show or not. I am sure there are thousands of people in the world with gay tendencies that have fought it off because of society. Although its more accepted today you have to be a strong person to come out to the world your gay.
sGt HarDKorE
Apr 20, 2009, 08:33 PM
I can't imagine people "choosing" to be gay. There is no benefits, and actually you lose rights compared being married to a woman. I have 2 beliefs on this topic. I feel that no matter what a person does NOT choose to be gay, but I feel that people are either born that way, and then some are made gay through tramatic experiences or somehow. Though there was something on the news once where there were 2 identical twins. I think they were around 7ish or so. One was your normal everyday boy who loves action and fghting and such. The other boy loved making his room all pink and having a girly room. He even painted his nails and loved playing with barbies and more girly things. When I saw this, I figured it couldn't be a choice, especially since the boy is so young. Obviously, there is a chance he isn't gay but I can't imagine he isn't. I don't think this young boy ever once ever decided to have girly tendencies or anything
lighty
Apr 21, 2009, 02:57 AM
Sorry, I just had to add this...
Are you gay or straight?
Would you just sleep with another girl because you felt like it?
I agree with turtle girl. It is personal and not one has the right to be judgemental under the garb of advice. Your mother is right to some extent and so are you. There is a genetic connection which give you the tendency but environment and circumstances do plays a big role. This is scientific and undisputable. Cheers!
turtlegirl16
Apr 21, 2009, 05:10 PM
Thank you so much, lighty! That is the answer I wanted to hear that puts it all together!!
turtlegirl16
Apr 21, 2009, 05:15 PM
Why aren't you asking them?
These are your friends? If most of your friends are gay that is a good indication you are as well.People tend to hang with people who are like them.It's all good.You have to be with people who *get you* :)
I suspect from your posts that you are struggling with some issue about your own orientation.
I also sense a lot of anger in you.From a virtual point only but I do.
For example,you have been told that you give out reddies for factually incorrect information. You continue to give them out whenever someone disagrees with your opinion.
You are angry and I think you are in some sort of a issue about your own sexual preference and please know that we will help you to the best of ability.
Being angry about things doesn't do much to change things.
You need to be nicer to people around here if you want anyone to be nice back.
The reason I don't ask my friends is because if I did, I probably wouldn't get the most sensible answer. And I wouldn't be able to put this site to good use. And we already settled the angry issue.
Unknown008
Jun 8, 2009, 11:43 AM
Well, in tuition the past Friday, a group made a presentation on Gay Rights, and the issue turned out asking if gay depended on one's choice. The answer was that being gay or lesbian depends on two main factors, namely genetics and the environment where one lives. On the genetics side, say a mother have 7 girls. They said that studies showed that the 7th girl is more probably to be a lesbian. Of course, that's only a number, it could be any number, for the scientists do not know when do certain substances produced by the mother's body will 'convert' the fetus into a lesbian. I'm not telling you that being the 7th child of a family will be gay, but consecutive babies with the same sex tend to go towards being gay.
Also,they said that if you had a gay child, there's 50% chance that the next child will be gay.
Hope I helped clarified some things. (just saw lighty's post, which I find to fit with my answer as well.)
griffers90
Jun 8, 2009, 11:55 AM
I am bisexual and I did not choose to be this way I promise you. The day I became interested in physical and emotional relationships I realised I desired a physical relationship with either a man or a woman. There are however some people at the moment who view being gy or bisexual as being cool and pretend to be bisexual or gay. These people make a choice to wear a label but are not truly homosexual or bisexual.
Whilst there is no scientific research to back up my opinion this has been my experience.
Hope that helped...
Griffers x
hheath541
Jun 8, 2009, 11:57 AM
Both of you are right. Most of my friends, and I, are either gay or bu and we've discussed the subject extensively. Some have known since they were very young that they were attracted to members of the same sex. Some didn't discover the attraction until around puberty, when most people start developing their sexuality. Some made a conscious decision to be gay, although not to the extent of going against the very grain of their personality. Some even admit that it was an event in their childhood that 'turned' them gay.
Basically, every situation is unique. Even the lgbt community doesn't have a difinitive answer to that question.
I am quite surprised that someone on page 1 compared being gay to having downs syndrome or MS... and no one said anything.
Wow...
Anyway, did you, or anyone here, CHOOSE to be attracted to whatever gender you are attracted to? Was there a day in your life that you thought to yourself "hmmm.. should I like girls... or guys.. hmmm... I think.. I... will go with... ah hell, I'll just flip a coin!"
Being truly homosexual or truly heterosexual is not just a choice. There are many things in your life and in your biochemistry that make you prone to one or the other.
The reason I used the word "truly" is because there are heterosexual people pretending to be gay and there are homosexual pretending to be straight. And this has nothing to do with them.
dreamingartist
Jun 8, 2009, 02:36 PM
I know I will get flamed for this but its my opinion and I stand up for what I believe in.
Being a christian you follow what God says in the bible. In the bible SEX before marriage is refrenced to sin. So is stealing, cheating, lying, you name it. A sin is a sin. Everyone sins in this world. I lie, I drive too fast. In Gods eyes, me lying is just as bad as me having sex with a man or a woman. If you aren't religious, then hey, go for it, live your life and be as gay as you want or as straight as you want and think what you want. If you ARE religious, then know that you will never truly have a happy and meaningful relationship with God when you are not able to fully commit to his word and to him. JUST LIKE if you are addicted to drugs or pornography and straight as a blade, you may BE a christian and many Gay people are christians, but you have a sin in your life that you have to deal with and it makes religion very difficult if not impossible. Yes, I think Gay people will absolutely be in heaven! But I think that they have struggles they have to deal with and church sure doesn't make them feel better.
Yes I think pornographers will be in heaven... but they have struggles and issues that make fully committing to Gods will difficult or impossible.
God also says NOT to have sex before marriage, PERIOD. Regardless of being gay or not. So being gay isn't the issue, its.. are the Gay / or straight people having sex out of marriage, and living for themselves. Yes..
So I wouldn't worry too much about Gay or Straight, but I'd worry about who are you living for, what are you living for, are you pleasing yourself? Or pleasing God.
Unknown008
Jun 9, 2009, 08:21 AM
Ok... thanks Shazzy.
Griffers90, I did not mention that people choose to be gay, but they can be made so if they get influenced by their surroundings. That is not a choice.
Dr. Drizzle (:D) Some people say that the down's syndrome is linked with a person being gay in a certain way... I don't know if that's true :confused:
Unknown008
Jun 9, 2009, 08:22 AM
Ok... thanks Shazzy.
Griffers90, I did not mention that people choose to be gay, but they can be made so if they get influenced by their surroundings. That is not a choice.
Dr. Drizzle (:D) Some people say that the down's syndrome is linked with a person being gay in a certain way... I don't know if that's true :confused:
griffers90
Jun 9, 2009, 10:31 AM
Hiya Unknown008 I wasn't suggesting you were wrong hun I understood your point exactly and agree with you! I just added my experience in to back you up :) You made a good point I don't know what influenced my sexuality but I never made a choice. I could have been genetically predisposed to being bisexual or influenced by my environment either are very likely. Either way I don't think that which view turtlegirl16 or her Mum takes matters as long as they do not become predjudiced against someone because of their sexuality.
In short I agree with your point no one has a choice over the environment they are in so therefore it only makes sense they didn't choose their sexuality. :)
Hope that cleared some stuff up. X
Unknown008
Jun 9, 2009, 11:00 AM
Okay, now it's clear griffers90! :)
N0help4u
Jun 9, 2009, 06:46 PM
I believe that some people are born gay and some choose it.
Kagan88
Jun 23, 2009, 02:57 PM
Sometimes I see this as and impossible question that seeks an impossible answer... In a world that is science vs religion what are we to think?
jenniepepsi
Jun 23, 2009, 03:13 PM
This should be in the discussions boards not the advise board really...
I am of 2 minds. I believe that you are born predisposed to being homosexual.
However, you can make the CHOICE to follow that lifestyle or not.
jlove09
Jun 23, 2009, 09:52 PM
I am a lesbian. No, I despise that word. I don't refer myself as a girl. All my exs are straight girls and they refer and see me was a guy.
But, let me tell you. Its not genetic or a choice, you were born with it. Seriously, Ive tried being straight, trust me. I know Im very pretty as a girl and can date any guys I want but Im just not attracted to them. I feel comfortable being a guy and talking to them like brothers.
hheath541
Jun 23, 2009, 10:30 PM
I am a lesbian. No, i despise that word. I don't refer myself as a girl. All my exs are straight girls and they refer and see me was a guy.
But, let me tell you. Its not genetic or a choice, you were born with it. Seriously, Ive tried being straight, trust me. I know Im very pretty as a girl and can date any guys I want but Im just not attracted to them. I feel comfortable being a guy and talkin to them like brothers.
I know this has nothing to do with the original post, I'm just curious; are you planning on undergoing gender reassignment surgery?
I'm not trying to be offensive. I know several people who are either planning on or in the process of transitioning. I think it takes a level of courage and determination that very few people can understand.
AManWithNoName
Jun 23, 2009, 10:40 PM
Why would any one choose to be gay!
jlove09
Jun 24, 2009, 07:30 AM
i know this has nothing to do with the original post, I'm just curious; are you planning on undergoing gender reassignment surgery?
I'm not trying to be offensive. i know several people who are either planning on or in the process of transitioning. i think it takes a level of courage and determination that very few people can understand.
Heyy. No worries. I plan to in the future actually :)
jenniepepsi
Jun 24, 2009, 08:55 AM
jlove09, you said its not genetic, but you were born with it. Genetics ARE what you were born with.
hheath541
Jun 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
Heyy. No worries. I plan to in the future actually :)
Congratulations in advance and I wish you all the luck in the world so that it will be as stress-free and timely as possible :D
N0help4u
Jun 24, 2009, 11:36 AM
jlove09, you said its not genetic, but you were born with it. genetics ARE what you were born with.
I believe you can be born with traits separate from genetics.
321543
Jun 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
We are living in a strange time. Where it is cool to be gay. People that are greedy thinking only of there desires and not of the up coming generation and the coming that it will cause them. Being gay is a new fad. Everyone wants to be on the wagon .
If you were little Timmy playing in the school yard how would you feel being made fun of with Gay parents ? Does anybody think of this ?
We are surrounded by gayism. Radio, through songs , commercials , Government, Videos,TV etc. The temptation to lure you in to the pit falls .
I am not for, nor am I against it. I know good people that are Gay , that will not change the way I feel about them. I say however or what you do should remain in the privacy of your own domain. Not where ever you want to publicly broadcast it. That goes for what ever sexual preference you do prefer. Sex is a private matter . KEEP it that way. Have at least that much respect for yourself , if not for you , your partner .
What ever you are.
kctiger
Jun 24, 2009, 12:22 PM
Being Gay is not a fad and I think that is one of the most uneducated things I have ever heard. Why would anyone want to be gay? To be made fun of, put down, called a ton of different names, so on and so forth? I can't imagine anyone being gay because it is "cool" and I certainly don't think it is encouraged, not in American society at least. Perhaps the tolerance has gone up, but it surely isn't something our society views as normal as apple pie.
A fad are the beenie babies, tickle me elmo, fanny packs... list goes on. A fad isn't a lifestyle choice to do something that makes you happy, no matter what judgement is handed towards you from the public eye. Courage isn't about winning or losing... courage is about standing up for what you believe in, having the morals and judgement to back it up, and being proud to say you are this way and you don't care what other people think. It is living happy, and free, not scared and full of shame. No one should have to be ashamed because of the sexual orientation they choose. That is not humane, period.
hheath541
Jun 24, 2009, 01:26 PM
We are living in a strange time. Where it is cool to be gay. People that are greedy thinking only of there desires and not of the up coming generation and the coming that it will cause them. Being gay is a new fad. Everyone wants to be on the wagon .
If you were little Timmy playing in the school yard how would you feel being made fun of with Gay parents ? Does anybody think of this ?
We are surrounded by gayism. radio, through songs , commercials , Government, Videos,TV etc. The temptation to lure you in to the pit falls .
I am not for, nor am I against it. I know good people that are Gay , that will not change the way I feel about them. I say however or what you do should remain in the privacy of your own domain. Not where ever you want to publicly broadcast it. That goes for what ever sexual preference you do prefer. Sex is a private matter . KEEP it that way. Have atleast that much respect for yourself , if not for you , your partner .
What ever you are.
You are wrong on every count.
Being gay is not a fad. It is not new. Hiding in the closet and not letting anyone know you're gay is not having respect for yourself OR your partner.
Homosexuality has been around for as long as mankind. In ancient greece it was expected for teenage boys to enter into a sexual relationship with an older man and to learn the ways of society from them. Many priests, monks, and nuns throughout the history of christianity entered the religious order BECAUSE they were gay and knew it was the one place they wouldn't be forced into a marriage they didn't desire. There are diaries from hundreds of years full of love letters, erotic verse, and memories of trysts between homosexual couples. One of the most famous ancient greek poets was sappho, who was a woman from the isle of lesbos (which is where the word lesbian came from) who wrote homoerotic poems. There are records throughout recorded history of sexuality and homosexual relationships.
One of the hardest things I ever did was come out. I faced ridicule, hate, rejection, and so much more. In my state it is completely legal to fire, evict, or even take someone's children away from them simply because they're gay. I knew there was every chance that at least part of my family would disown me and pretend I never existed. I had people at my college make fun of me and write derogatory and very hurtful things on my dormroom door. I even lost friends over it. All from admitting that I was gay. I wasn't even, and had never been, in a relationship with another woman.
Hiding your relationship from people, even if it is just the sexual side, is about as far from respecting yourself and your partner as you can get. Imagine being in a relationship with someone you loved and wanted to spend the rest of your life with. Now imagine that you hide everything remotely sexual about that relationship from everyone else. To all outward appearances you are nothing but close friends, maybe even roommates. Imagine how much it would hurt to know that the person you are with doesn't love you enough to tell everyone that they are in a romantic relationship with you. How disrespected and unwanted that would make you feel.
That is what it's like to be in a relationship with someone who, for whatever reason, is not out. Most relationships don't survive that.
Now, on the extreme off-chance you meant simply not doing or talking about anythig sexual in public, let me give you something else to think about. There are a million and one things that may not seem sexual but speak of a deep sexual connection to someone. Reaching over to tuck someone's hair behind their ear, touching their cheek, putting a hand around their waist, holding hands, angling your body so that you are facing just slightly more toward them than to anyone else, that smile everyone has when they look at the person they love, having to turn down every date offer and not being able to say why, spending most of your time with the same person, and a numberless amount of words, phrases, and figures of speech that we use onconsciously everyday. Now imagine having to not only notice all of those, but to hold back from doing them in public. It's not only the overtly sexual words and actions that people have an issue with when it comes to homosexuals, it's all the little things that they never notice, or find cute and endearing, in straight couples.
321543
Jun 24, 2009, 01:34 PM
Can a gay pro create ? If not then it is not meant to last very long, for we as man and woman are meant too pro create. There was man...
From a man came a woman... Then came their descendents . Not man and man or woman and woman . How hard is it to figure out ?
Anything in between, mans carnel knowledge or desires.
talaniman
Jun 24, 2009, 05:01 PM
Now that sounds like straight bible belt propaganda. Making any one who doesn't believe as you do wrong. Its not about right or wrong, its about the personal freedom to pursue what makes you happy, without some one getting in your business.
A lot of people are caught up in what's acceptable, and what's not. That's the conflict, and the tragedy, people afraid to be who they are, and that's a recipe for a lot of unhappiness. That's why people hide who they are. FEAR of being judged, and ostracized.
N0help4u
Jun 24, 2009, 05:08 PM
I do believe the heterosexual 'turning' gay or experimenting or exploring IS the fad 321543 is referring to, not being gay in general.
I hear it all the time from teens and young adults.
With the media, sex education and metro sexuals I agree that it is a trend if not a fad.