Ok guys here you go
I have uploaded it and saved it for word..
For some reason my word on my PC asks for a serial number so I have to use word processor
Soory about last night I went to bed a little early

HI my friend,

Yes that should work Clough... I want to ensure that he covers his *ss in his pricing and protects himself in his proposal/contract. I know how these things can get if the slightest thing goes wrong....and the customer presses it....

For example; if one of my people break something and it can be proven, we will obviously make restitution. but so many times, things are lost, misplaced, or even taken by another of the client's employee.....

I put in my proposal;

"We shall make reasonable and prompt restitution by cash in the amount of replacement value, replacement, or repairs, subject to your approval for any damages for which we are liable."

The key is,it has to be proven that we are liable. Why would I pay for something when I was not completely sure that we did it? If there is proof, I will gladly make immediate restitution. I get calls many times a week; someone took my shoes that were under my desk...someone took a valuable pen off my desk, someone broke a vase that was on my desk...Clough, I can't tell you how many times the items were found at their homes, in a drawer, or another worker finally says that they broke something...If on of my people is found to be guilty, I press the matter to no end and terminate immediately and press charges if necessary also, for many reasons but mostly to set an example.

Thanks for letting me ramble on so....not happy tonight...got two tickets; illegal lane change and improper lane usage....he took my license and I have a court date on July 9th. I deserved it, some jack*ss p*ssed me off totally tonight and I wasn't going to take it...but the state cop caught me. He said that he could get me for speeding and road rage and I would spend the night in a cell, but he didn't do that.....it was my fault though, I deserved what I got. :(

Stringer

Sounds like someone has a lead foot hahaha
I don't tihnk anyone is ever in a good mood after their license gets taken away
Road rage ? Hehe

But you My proposal form! I can't modify it! My Microsoft word says it expired or something... I bought a form already made...

Can I fax it to you?

Do all proposals have to be typed out?
Btw Thank You for looking out for rme with the things getting misplaced..
Also I tried to email them and ask If I had to bid on the third property and received no response... They also did not tell me the length of contract they want... One or two years..
I know the current provider was there for two years

Clean, I am about to do you a great favor my friend. What you posted are only the specs... they need to be incorporated into a 'proposal' which is what I will send you.

This information that I am sending you has a 'cost'... It is years of work to properly put together and is a 'living document.' Not that I am going to charge you anything, but I want you to realize that this could have a value to the right people/companies of many $$$$$$. This is definitely a 'jump start for you.

I am about to email you a shorten copy of the proposal that I use. I have taken out all references to my company name and any pertinent direct information about me or any company/s. I have reviewed it and listed in BOLD where you need to insert your client's name and your company's name. I have spent and hour and a half on this, I hope it helps you.

Go over this very carefully. It is also a contract when the client signs it. Anything that you feel is not in your best interests or you feel does not apply... simply delete that portion.

I would print it out on your company's letterhead and give them two copies... one to sign and return to you and one to keep. PUT BOTH in BINDERS of some kind to be professional.

I do not want to post all this information as it is the culmination of years of effort and expense and I may have legal complications? This document has been reviewed and approved by our attorneys...

Use it well, but read it very carefully as you will be responsible for any of its content when you give it to a prospect.

Now...

Under the "Specifications" portion; List here your specifications (the one that they gave you and you posted here) as they are the requirements and the 'bible' for the proposal in that these are the things that are expected of you and your company to provide (services), and the frequencies.

Let me know on here (AMHD) when you have received the format that I sent you, please. And then we can possibly start working on pricing...

I want to get this wrapped up so I can spend some time outside with my grand kids today... K?

Stringer

sounds like someone has a lead foot hahaha
I dont tihnk anyone is ever in a good mood after their license gets taken away
road rage ? hehe

But ya My proposal form! I can't modify it!! My microsoft word says it expired or something .... I bought a form already made.....

Can I fax it to you?

You can post it here Clean, it is only an internet proposal form... right? Let's compare the one that I sent you and this one.

No, I am not in a good mood about that... but, he was correct and... I was wrong.

Do all proposals have to be typed out?
Btw Thank You for looking out fo rme with the things getting misplaced..
Also I tried to email them and ask If I had to bid on the third property and received no response...They also did not tell me the length of contract they want.... One or two years...?
I know the current provider was there for two years

Yes... it is your protection, first and foremost. And of course, their protection.

If you tried emailing them yesterday (Saturday) they were home with their families.

Is there a set time to deliver the proposal tomorrow? Like by; 3 pm or the end of the day?

Make sure that you ask them 'when will you have a decision made on who will receive the contract.'

Most of my contracts are open ended, that is I ask for a start date but not an ending date. In my experience, most commercial contracts are for 3 years... some, 1 or 2 years though but not too many. I bid jobs that are larger, a one year contract is not even enough time to recoup your initial investment in equipment and supplies among other costs.

IF...they have given you anything in addition to the specifications, I need to know about it....:eek:

Stringer

You can post it here Clean, it is only an internet proposal form...right? Let's compare the one that I sent you and this one.

No, I am not in a good mood about that...but, he was correct and ...I was wrong.

Stringer,
Once again I would like to say thank you for the outline form.
I had no clue it was anything like that...
I am posting the bought version of the proposal I have...
It is way different than yours...
I also have carbon copies made...
I guess It does not let me upload the form on here. It keeps saying invalid file name so I will be emailing you it...
I apologize my Microsoft word is only read me

Yes...it is your protection, first and foremost. And of course, their protection.

If you tried emailing them yesterday (Saturday) they were home with their families.

Is there a set time to deliver the proposal tomorrow? Like by; 3 pm or the end of the day?

Make sure that you ask them 'when will you have a decision made on who will receive the contract.'

Most of my contracts are open ended, that is I ask for a start date but not an ending date. In my experience, most commercial contracts are for 3 years....some, 1 or 2 years though but not too many. I bid jobs that are larger, a one year contract is not even enough time to recoup your initial investment in equipment and supplies among other costs.

IF...they have given you anything in addition to the specifications, I need to know about it....:eek:

Stringer

Yes. All it says on the Proposal Request form is to deliver or or Before June 15, 2009..
So I am assuming that it is by the end of the day

They have not included any other specifications related to the contract besides telling me that they all begin On July 1st, 2009

The outline you sent me was for 6 months...
Should I leave it open-ended?
Even if they do not give that information should I assume that it would be open ended contract?

Yes. all it says on the Proposal Request form is to deliver or or Before June 15, 2009..
So I am assuming that it is by the end of the day

They have not included any other specifications related to the contract besides telling me that they all begin On july 1st, 2009

The outline you sent me was for 6 months....
Should I leave it open-ended?
Even if they do not give that infomation should I assume that it would be open ended contract?

6 months?? :confused:

Yes, then leave it open ended as that will be to your advantage. However, they may require a 'termination clause', if they do, I have the wording for that for you too.

It says client will engage in hiring "company" for a total of six months or with six months after temrinaiton of agreement?

it says client will engage in hiring "company" for a total of six months or with six months after temrinaiton of agreement?

I have never heard something like this before. I would just list the 'starting date' and let it go from there, if they have an issue with that let them tell you.

Stringer,
Once again I would like to say thank you for the outline form.
I had no clue it was anything like that....
I am posting the bought version of the proposal I have...
It is way different than yours...
I also have carbon copies made...
I guess It does not let me upload the form on here. it keeps saying invalid file name so I will be emailing you it...
I apologize my microsoft word is only read me

You are welcome.

Yes. all it says on the Proposal Request form is to deliver or or Before June 15, 2009..
So I am assuming that it is by the end of the day

They have not included any other specifications related to the contract besides telling me that they all begin On july 1st, 2009

The outline you sent me was for 6 months....
Should I leave it open-ended?
Even if they do not give that infomation should I assume that it would be open ended contract?

We need to wrap this today/tonight... I have staff meetings most of tomorrow and will not be available.

Yes we do!
I have all night and will be home for the rest of the evening working on this

Did you receive my email about the format changing... eek :p

I have never heard something like this before. I would just list the 'starting date' and let it go from there, if they have an issue with that let them tell you.

It says that in the contract you sent me... :eek:

It says that in the contract you sent me...:eek:

I'll have to check that out... :confused:

What page of the proposal?

{{{Ring...ring}}}}} Clean, are you there? Let's get started...

You can put all three buildings into one proposal,there is no need to recreate the wheel three times since it is the same P.M. for all three buildings... usually, unless the client specifically says that they want three separate proposals...

Show me what you have done so far please. I've an old man (hee hee) and I have been out in the yard working with my grandson all day... I am tired... and sore.

Stringer

All right lets tackle this!
All right question number one hehe
Under the clause
For who supplies what...
Would I charge them or the garbage bags... or would that be billed to them with the soaps TP and paper towels..?

They specified to me to create separate proposal... YIKES! More work for me ! "(

Under the part where it says my company will provide the materials... they stated to me that they wanted me to provide the paper towels.. toliet paper.. soaps... and woman fragrances...

{{{Ring...ring}}}}} Clean, are you there? Let's get started...

You can put all three buildings into one proposal,there is no need to recreate the wheel three times since it is the same P.M. for all three buildings.....usually, unless the client specifically says that they want three separate proposals....

Show me what you have done so far please. I've an old man (hee hee) and I have been out in the yard working with my grandson all day...I am tired...and sore.

Stringer

Hehe I know how that is...
I have a 10 month old and he puts me to sleep every day lol
I will try to make this as quick as possible for you
"P
Do you want me to send you the contracts I've made so far?

I also had a question about
The frequency of the cleaning...
So I have to put in the contract the exact day of the cleaning?
I do have the information of how often... but not what day... *except on two of the propsals)

Alright lets tackle this!
Alright question number one hehe
Under the clause
for who supplies what....
Would I charge them or the garbage bags...or would that be billed to them with the soaps TP and paper towels...??

Yes, charge them for anything that you purchase that is a consumable product... but not your cleaning supplies and equipment... only liners, soaps, TP, PT, fem products (if in washrooms), toilet seat liners, etc... things as these.

These supplies are usually marked up by 10-15-20%... Give them a copy of the bill and add your mark-up with a grand total at the bottom. You spent your time and used your money to get these supplies.

They specified to me to create seperate proposal...YIKES! More work for me ! "(

Not much more if required... once you have the format... it is just a matter of pasting in the specifications and putting in your pricing for each.

Should I make a proposal for the building I do not want to clean??
Just in case they say it is required to submit for all three properties?

Under the part where it says my company will provide the materials...they stated to me that they wanted me to provide the paper towels..toliet paper..soaps... and woman fragrances ....

If they gave you a SPECIFIC list then put their list into that part of the proposal where it states what exactly you will supply.

Hehe I kno how that is...
I have a 10 month old and he puts me to sleep every day lol
I will try to make this as quick as possible for you
"P
Do you want me to send you the contracts ive made so far?

YES, please.

UNder the charges section of the contract... I see that you put a section about carpet cleaning...
I have not offered these services( or have a industrial machine) yet to them nor they have asked...
Should I still keep that in there?
Same thing for the window cleaning?

I also had a question about
the frequency of the cleaning...
so I have to put in the contract the exact day of the cleaning?
I do have the information of how often...but not what day...*except on two of the propsals)

Remember something Clean... you want to be as specific as possible, always. But not in all areas. If they were specific about which days per week then YES put that in the proposal, if they were not then you would simply state 'One day per week'. Then you can discuss this with them in person. ANYTHING that is written down in this proposal is part of the contract... legally (period). This is a serious matter, if )and I hope not) this all turns against you, things in this contract can and will be used against you if necessary.

YES, please.
All right I will email them over to you!
They do have information pertaining to my potential client...
I trust that you will look it over
...
I hope not to hear tomorrow that I lost to stringer on the bids... hehe

Should I make a proposal for the building i do not want to clean???
Just in case they say it is required to submit for all three properties?

Yes, since you were not able to discuss this with them. Usually they want you too bid all listed areas. It is to their advantage as they deem that they should get better pricing with all three bldgs... 'volume dictates pricing.'

If you do not bid it, you may not be considered at all... and will be eliminated from the process.

I know that the bldg is in a bad area... but you should be able to do it... it is only one or two days per week after all, not 7 days/week.

UNder the charges section of the contract... i see that you put a section about carpet cleaning...
i have not offered these services( or have a industrial machine) yet to them nor they have asked...
Should i still keep that in there?
Same thing for the window cleaning?

I would say this: 'Carpet cleaning is available.' ' Window cleaning is available'. That's all. You can farm out this service and the windows also. Get a price from a carpet cleaning company and mark it up 15 -20%. If she presses you on a price NOW... tell her $ .18 sq ft. That is competitively a little high, if she questions it tell her that is a 'ballpark figure---wall to wall cleaning. Then get a price from a professional. His price may be high (that is why I quoted higher to cover you) because there really isn't a lot of carpet involved. Again, volume dictates price.

Alright I will email them over to you!
They do have information pertaining to my potential client.....
I trust that you will look it over
...
I hope not to hear tomorrow that i lost to stringer on the bids.... hehe

That my friend could be taken as an insult, by now I would have guessed that you would have seen me as not that kind of person.

Trust me, I do not go after small jobs.

Again, I suggest that you remove any pertinent customer information and put it on here... please. We covered this Clean... unless it contains personal or vital customer info it should be put on here... please.

All right so let me get this straight..

Only say " Carpet Cleaning and Window Cleaning is Available"

Oh nononono Stringe ri did not mean to insult you

I was just joking around

I apologize if I offended you...

I think I would be considered small time hehe

I was just messin!

You want me to post "your" contract I made on here?

Alright so let me get this straight..

Only say " Carpet Cleaning and Window Cleaning is Available"

Yep. 'Carpet cleaning, Hard floor refinishing and window cleaning are available upon request.'

You want to be all and everything to your client, it gives you more work and profit and do you really want a carpet guy that you don't know in there and he does cleaning also... get it?

You want me to post "your" contract i made on here?

No, that is 'classified', that you need to email me, but any correspondence pretending to it should be on here.

On one of the proposals for the executive suite...
I have to include two offices within it...
Where should I specify the offices and duties of each office..
Trash vacuum and dusting...

Oh nononono Stringe ri did not mean to insult you

I was just joking around

i apologize if i offended you...

i think i would be considered small time hehe

i was just messin!

I am trying to help you with information that you would usually gain after much pain and possible financial loss. So that you would not have to 'pay this price.' I would never back stab anyone intentionally, that is a truism. Without integrity, one would definitely eventually fail in business, in my humble opinion.

Now that is not to say that some networking isn't possible. You are not large enough and probably not have or be able to secure the financing necessary to do a large job/s. (I am assuming here) However, you are able to take on small and medium sized jobs. We occasionally come across smaller jobs that we do not take, nor do we look for them anymore.. but we do sometimes have people call us. You may hear of or know of a job that is larger (starting at about 25,000 sq ft up wards to over 500,000 sq ft), I would appreciate you letting me know. AND if it became a contract, I would give you a one time 10% commission of the first month's payment, that could be as high as $1,500.00 or more...

On one of the proposals for the executive suite....
i have to include two offices within it...
where should i specify the offices and duties of each office...?
trash vacuum and dusting...

Show it under the heading of that building as a sub title... (In bold) 'two suites... numbered 1234 and 5678... ' then list the specs for those two offices.

Stringer,
I would be honored to refer your company to any large sized job I come across..
I don't know you but by the good works you do just on this site I know you are a good person and I have been thanking god almost every day for him putting me in your path to help me!

Stringer,
I would be honored to refer your company to any large sized job I come across..
I dont know you but by the good works you do just on this site I know you are a good person and I have been thanking god almost every day for him putting me in your path to help me!

Thank you sir.

How close are you to being able to email me what you have put together on the proposal form that I sent you?

Show it under the heading of that building as a sub title....(In bold) 'two suites.....numbered 1234 and 5678....' then list the specs for those two offices.

Where should I list the specs ? Under house keeping specs?

I just emailed you three of them.. what I got

where should i list the specs ? under house keeping specs?

Yes, there is a space for this under Housekeeping... : "(Put your specifications here)"

I just emailed you three of them..what i got

I am going now to look, be right back...

All right! Let me know what you think :0

How's it coming along my friend?

I got a few more questions for u hehe


Under the fields Invoicing to occur by the first?
What would I put in that field..
Also for the final price I offer...
Am I going to write that in or type that in?

Hows it coming along my friend?

I got a few more questions for u hehe


Under the fields Invoicing to occur by the first??
what would i put in that field..?
also for the final price I offer...
am I going to write that in or type that in?

Determine your invoicing methods, example; net 30 days


You must remember... always be professional, always type, never pencil in something. If you and the prospect make changes in pen or pencil, then take it and retype it for her.

All right so net 30 days...
Means payment every month..?
Also in the contract where does it state when it ends or termination or something like that?
Did I over look it?

Alright so net 30 days...
means payment every month..??
Also in the contract where does it state when it ends or termination or something like that?
did i over look it?

Be prepared, commercial cleaning is different in many ways...

'Net 30' means that; you work the month, then invoice for that month and they have 30 days from the date of your invoice to pay. In this economy, some are taking 60 days to pay from invoice date... :mad: So initially, from the first day that you work it will be approximately 60 days before you are paid for that first month. Then once that starts you will get a check each month for the previous month's work... Then if you should ever lose the contract, say on a dtae like July 31st... you would get a check for that last month 30 days later, August 30th.

Clean... let's keep moving forward please on completing the information that you need to finish these proposals.

I believe that you have all you need to format each proposal (Like I said my system; Windows 2007 XP Professional) will not let me edit anything that you send me. But I think that I have given you all you need, you will need to crunch the work...

Can we now get to the pricing... K?

Yes that is fine...

I will just say net 30.. lets move forward with pricing...
I know you have full day tomorrow and so do I
So lets finish this up!

OK did you see the posting from last night I posted with all sq footage and areas and duties...

The only property that was not included was the one I did not want to do and it was the glenwood.. common office restroom and hallway... 970 Sq ft

I must keep in mind that I am going up against 3 other companies and a "cindys Cleaning" which I am assuming is a ma and pa company..
And keep in mind the special breed prop manager said they are taking best price... which I know ma and pa's like to do often

Ok so property one...
Commercial Cleaning Outlines for Proposals
Once a week Cleaning
Contract Proposal #1
Network Building
___________________________________
Total Cleanable Sq footage = 2,902Sq Feet
Tile Sq Footage = 1,584 Sq ft
Carpeted Area = 1,318 Sq ft
___________________________________
Bathrooms in Building = 4
Elevators = 1
Stairways = 2
Entrances = 1 main , 1 side
Levels= 2 floors
________________________________________
Duties
1) Vacuuming and mopping all floors carpet and tile
2) Clean inside glass of entrances of building when needed
3)Empty Trash in Bathrooms and near water fountain
4)Remove Carpet Spots when if/needed(spotting)
5) All Ceramic Residual Tiles Dust Mopped and Wet Mopped
6)Clean and Polish Drinking Fountains(2)+Elevator(1)
7) Clean Washrooms on 1st and 2nd floors (4)

I rember you saying .16 per sq foot would be competitive for a 5 days a week job... but since this is less should I go more

U there stringer *Ring Ring*

Hi, Guys!

It looks like the two of you have been busy!

Ahhh Yes we have been! How are you clough hehe
Stringer has been a blessing andhas helped me piece this together..
He has disappeared though!!
We awe just about to do the pricing...
I hope he comes back
:-)

How was your weekend my friend

I'm sure that he'll be back, eventually. He usually lets people know when he needs to go...

Weekend has gone pretty good! My new church job is going really well!

How was your's?

I have to return a phone call to someone momentarily. I just wanted to let you know.

Thanks!

Stringerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Were so close!
I have done all th modifications you told me to do...
Only thing is the ending of the contract and that clause you were speaking of!

Oh that is fine...
What are you doing for the church?
May I ask
Which type of church you belong to?

Ok... Now here is my disclaimer again my friend...

I will give you my suggestions for you to price your bid to clean these buildings however, you and you alone will determine that final price, that is only your decision.

Most property management company managers always push the price to clean down, it is their job, it is their goal, no matter what they may say, this is a fact. Keep this in mind. Value added selling will help but it will come down to; can you do the job and what is the lowest price to do this work? I have been there with them for too many years, we do not even pursue work with P. M.'s anymore.

Now, please keep in mind Clean, that I am making my suggesting without all the information that I usually gather, I have not seen nor have I been in these buildings. There are many other considerations; density:... a lot of people (a lot of desks, trash, washroom usage, etc), a lot of extra mess.

Are these Class A, B or C buildings? (A building being the Taj Mahal, India).

Usually, even in a good economy, in my opinion, if there is a LOT of sq ft and 5 to 6 days work per week... the price per sq ft is as low as $.06 to $.07 per sq ft... volume remember.

(Example: 500,000 sq ft X $.06 per sq ft = $30,000.00 per month)

Clean, please understand that I don't say this to lessen the importance of the job, but it is a fact that influences the pricing. However, this job is one to two days per week and less sq footage.

The pricing I listed above is for a full time large job, so actually for this work I suggest that your price per square foot is more for several reasons;

Minimum sq footage...

One or two days per week cleaning means that all this dirt, trash, dust, grim, etc. will build up all week. That day that you clean there WILL be much more in those trash cans, etc.

I am going to suggest a price per square foot that you may use and take times the sq ft for each job, each day...

For example; ( I am tired and I didn't go back to get the exact sq ft for each of these jobs, so I am using hypothetical figures.)

Job number 1: $.15 to $.17 per sq ft, two days per week, with a total square footage, including washrooms, kitchens... everything that is cleanable... 2,500 sq ft total...

2,500 sq ft X $.15 = $375.00 per each time that you clean this space.

Here is how you accurately figure your monthly price;

Take the total number of days you will clean this 2/day/week job times 52 (weeks in a year) or 104 days annually.

Take that 104 days times my suggested figure for the 2,500 sq ft ($375.00) = $39,000.00 annually. Divide this by 12 (months) =
$3,250.00 billed each month for this 2,550 sq ft building (This is only an example Clean, as how to figure a similar job, not using your exact sq ft figures or number of days per week specifically)

Summary;

Take the sq ft for the area, take that X the price per sq ft, that gives you the total price to clean that space... each time.

If it is more than one time per week, then that that total $$$ figure X the total number of days you clean in that week. Arrive at a total weekly price, take that X 52 (weeks in a year) and arrive at an annual total $$$$, then divide that by twelve (months in a year) and you arrive at an accurate monthly price. This is necessary because of the two extra weeks in the year and that can add up annually, believe me. Actually those two weeks in this case amount to $750.00 annually.

Now I am rethinking this, I just remembered that you said that there would probably be a 'whore' bidder correct?

Honestly Clean, I, myself would probably use $ .09 per square foot to calculate this job and the other two or three...

But I would use the formula I suggested above...

Very tired, hope that I was clear and you understand what I am saying her. If we do need to speak on this again tomorrow, I should be able to get back on about 3:30 pm... but that is late for you as you have to have this printed up, in a binder and delivered to them before 5 pm.

Stringer

oh that is fine...
What are you doing for the church?
may i ask
which type of church you belong to?

I know that you have had a conversation with Clough about church, but if you are speaking to me... I think that you mistook 'crunch' for 'church' in my post my friend... that is okay. I am a member of the First United Methodist Church, have been for over 35 years.

Ok I am somewhat understanding what you said...
So bare with me I know you are tired...
One of my buildings is 5010 Sq Ft.
So
for a weekly price
I would do 5010 Sq Ft X .09 = $450.90 then times it by 52

Hehe bare with me I am reading your post over and over at the moment trying to understand...

The 450.90 would be my monthly charge correct?

Summary;

Take the sq ft for the area, take that X the price per sq ft, that gives you the total price to clean that space... each time




DO YOU MEAN EACH WEEK OR EACH MONTH??

oh that is fine...
What are you doing for the church?
may i ask
which type of church you belong to?

I'm the organist for the Christian Scientist Church in Davenport, IA. I'm a member of a Disciples of Christ Church and also a Missouri Synod Church. I've spent over 36 years doing work as a leader of music in churches of various denominations. I also was the custodian at the local Unitarian Church for eight years.

Thanks!

Ok I am somewhat understanding what you said....
So bare with me I know you are tired...
One of my buildings is 5010 Sq Ft.
So
for a weekly price
I would do 5010 Sq Ft X .09 = $450.90 then times it by 52

Actually Clean, I was misleading in the way that I explained this, I am sorry. This is what happens when you are over tired and stressed....

Actually Clean $450.90 is your monthly billing total.that calculates to $52.03 per day for 8.67 days of cleaning per month on this job.

For each job, take the total sq ft x the price that you choose ($.09 ?) per sq ft and that is your monthly billing. That is the most simple way that I can explain this. Without going into al the checks and balances that evaluate your prices...

At normal cleaning for offices, Class C Type 5010 sq ft can be cleaned in approximately 2 hours or less each time.

One of the problems in bidding is that obviously you do not know where your competition will come in with their price... pricing could be all over the board.

Very tired my friend, very tired, good luck... Ask her when she will make her decision... let me know how you did.

I'm impressed, Stringer!

I didn't know anything about the classification of buildings.

Thanks!

I'm impressed, Stringer!

I didn't know anything about the classification of buildings.

Thanks!

Hi Clough, I am so tired my friend, I think that I am really having problems with the stress and this diabetes. It is getting to me a little. When I get tired like this I could just collapse, exhausted really, and almost pass out when I get this way...

Tomorrow is going to be h*ll I know what is on the agenda...

Marta made an appointment for me with a diabetes specialist for sometime next week, I need ot start taking the shots I think...

This to shall pass...

See you later, going to sleep... I hope, going to bed anyway...

Stringer

Okay, will be communicating with both of you at a later time...

I was out working in my yard, tonight. Couldn't work for very long because of being overly fatigued.

Please, let's all try to take care of ourselves! I know that I really need to work on that!

I need to get back to the doctor soon for another follow-up after being in the hospital and to renew prescriptions for my meds.

Have a great and restful sleep, guys!

Thanks!

Okay, will be communicating with both of you at a later time...

I was out working in my yard, tonight. Couldn't work for very long because of being overly fatigued.

Please, let's all try to take care of ourselves! I know that I really need to work on that!

I need to get back to the doctor soon for another follow-up after being in the hospital and to renew prescriptions for my meds.

Have a great and restful sleep, guys!

Thanks!

Clean... still the same calculation... 'price per sq ft x the cleanable sq ft'. Remember there will be additional build up of all the trash and extra work to be done. So that one day could calculate to almost 2 days worth of work... a lot more time spent in those washrooms also...

So in my opinion 2909 X $.09 = $261.81 is what I would bid if I was bidding this job, my opinion though.

By the way, when you order all those supplies for them remember that you will have to have enough for them for the whole week... if you order it weekly...

If your question before was about the 'termination clause' I would not put that in there at this time, unless she requests it.

But I would use that instead of a 'final date' in the proposal as you can continue on for a long time then and she has this clause to get out of the contract with a 30 day notice if desired.

If your question before was about the 'termination clause' I would not put that in there at this time, unless she requests it.

But I would use that instead of a 'final date' in the proposal as you can continue on for a long time then and she has this clause to get out of the contract with a 30 day notice if desired.

What is that sentence?
Do I have to insert it?
I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract...

What is that sentence?
Do i have to insert it?
I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract....

No, like I said before, just put in the 'start date', if she wants an 'end date' she will tell you. Why possibly shorten the term of your agreement when the 'open end' may allow you to stay with the contract a lot longer. Now, if she agrees to only the start date then she may want that 'termination clause'. It states basically that either party may cancel the contract with a registered written letter giving a 30 day notice from the date of the letter.

Pricing made simple; Once you have determined your price per sq ft. Figure your total $$$ on a per day basis, then annualize that, example; $100.00 per day, one day per week is; $100.00 X 52 weeks = $5,200.00. Then divide that $5,200.00 by 12 months to arrive at your monthly charge (Remember, almost all commercial business is priced and billed... monthly) In this case... $433.33 per month.


One or two days per week when bidding a job is very much alike in figuring the price. The main factor is extending it annually 1 day/week x 52 is 52, 2 days per week is 104, etc. then divide it by 12 months.

What is that sentence?
Do i have to insert it?
I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract....

Please see my post 328 and 330.

Ok I understand!
I did not include an end date at all


Here's the prices I have in my contract

5898sq ft X .09= 530.82 per month

5010 x .09= 450.90 per month

2902 sq ft x .09 =261.18 per month

I was a little confused by your wording before that's why I asked...
Then when I seen the 104.. I udnerstood 104 for the two days a week then the 52 for the one day a week

Ok I understand!
I did not include an end date at all


Heres the prices I have in my contract

5898sq ft X .09= 530.82 per month

5010 x .09= 450.90 per month

2902 sq ft x .09 =261.18 per month

Bidding is always precarious Clean, other bidders sometimes just bid a price mainly to get the job... and when they do, they say "OMG...what are we going to do now????'

They are always around and they really either don't understand planning the job out with labor, costs and profit... or they just don't give a damn until it is too late and they don't have the money and time invested in the job to do it as required.

Now that the economy is bad, they are coming out of the woodwork and I love to come up against them they are easy to undermine... but a pain in the *ss...

I can't tell you how many times I may have lost a job because the prospect took a chance with the very low price... and then a couple months later I would get a call from the client and he would ask... 'Is your price still good? NOOOOOOO... my price went up 25%... ha ha.:rolleyes:

I wish you good luck, it is always fun to win a bid...

Stringer

Nice avatars, you two!

Thanks!

Nice avatars, you two!

Thanks!

Changed to this for a while for the forum thread, I'll probably go back again to another one.

I might change to a different famous musician, but I'm not sure about that. I waited a long time before I came up with the best one to represent basically the type of personality that I have.

Thanks!

I might change to a different famous musician, but I'm not sure about that. I waited a long time before I came up with the best one to represent basically the type of personality that I have.

Thanks!

No... don't, I really like this one. :)

Alrightttttttttt
So I dropped of the contracts
And its waiting time...
Oh by the way I have to redo one of the contracts and bring them back tomorrow...
Because the Prop manager told me before that she wanted a single contract for the two offices and the building maintenance together
... now she emailed me and told me they have to be separate...
Its looking good at the moment though

She said she needs them separate because her accounting departments need them for payment...

Hmmmm does that mean I won?
Well see

Btw both of you guys thanks for all the help...
Stringer I couldn't have done it without you man
Thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnn

Alrightttttttttt
so i dropped of the contracts
and its waiting time...
oh by the way I have to redo one of the contracts and bring them back tomorrow...
because the Prop manager told me before that she wanted a single contract for the two offices and the building maintainence together
....now she emailed me and told me they have to be seperate....
its looking good at the moment though

she said she needs them seperate because her accounting departments need them for payment....

hmmmm does that mean I won?
well see

Btw both of you guys thanks for all the help....
Stringer I couldnt have done it without you man
Thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnn

Thanks, Clough and I are in your corner, but let's not jinx it... lets hold on saying anything... just think positive.

Well lets hope this is a battle well won..
I even invested 15 dollars and had all the contracts binded at kinkos
In your face cindys cleaning hehe jkin

I already told my fiancé we are celebrating with a bottle of wine when we hear the good news hehe

Soooooooooooooooooo
Stringer
I made only two small adjustments to my prices I figured out if I lowered the prices on two of the properties I would actually be working for no reason if someone were to clean for me...
So I actually decided to lower my bid to .07 on tow of them...
I emailed her the response..
She did seem to pleased but she said they are reviewing all contracts today and would give me a call back,,
I'm in business to make money not work for free "I wanted to say"

Thank You for rall the help and support on the matter...
Ill let you know what the results are a little bit later

Soooooooooooooooooo
Stringer
I made only two small adjustments to my prices i figured out if i lowered the prices on two of the properties I would actually be working for no reason if someone were to clean for me....
So I actually decided to lower my bid to .07 on tow of them ...
I emailed her the reponse..
she did seem to pleased but she said they are reviewing all contracts today and would give me a call back,,,
im in business to make money not work for free "I wanted to say"

Thank You fo rall the help and support on the matter...
Ill let you know what the results are a little bit later

Yep... like I said prior, P. M.'s can be ruthless... What they say and what the true is are sometimes two different matters.

Here is what she said... Im not going to sell myself short for these people... Current economic situation... you were right all along my friend...

Our first responsibility is to the properties that employ our services; and considering our current economic situation, pricing is always a priority. I personally believe that pricing should not affect a companies quality of service. Thank you for taking the time to submit the proposal for each of the properties requested; however, we will be awarding the contracts to another company who was able to negotiate pricing to be comparable to our current contracts. Again, your time and consideration in this matter has been greatly appreciated.

Im not some Cindys Cleaning...

Here is what she said....Im not going to sell myself short for these ppl.... Current economic situation ...you were right all along my friend...

Our first responsibility is to the properties that employ our services; and considering our current economic situation, pricing is always a priority. I personally believe that pricing should not affect a companies quality of service. Thank you for taking the time to submit the proposal for each of the properties requested; however, we will be awarding the contracts to another company who was able to negotiate pricing to be comparable to our current contracts. Again, your time and consideration in this matter has been greatly appreciated.

Well, you are probably better off in the long run. It was great experience, not only with the pricing and proposal information but how it can be out there.

My advice... get back up on that horse now...

Wohooooooo
IM saddlin up for another shot
I got my ol horsey ready for round 5
Hehe
May I ask.. what percentage of bids do you win.. im curious :-P

Wohooooooo
IM saddlin up for another shot
I got my ol horsey ready for round 5
hehe
may I ask..what percentage of bids do you win..im curious :-P

Our business is somewhat unique, you make a cold call and try to give a proposal. If it doesn't work then that building will be there for a long time (it is reusable in a sense) so you keep contact about every six months. Owners change, people change, etc... Some however like P. M.'s we have dropped from the call list, unless they call us.

In a nutshell... 100 cold calls; 15 - 20 interviews; 3 - 6 proposals; 2 - 3 sales... on average.

Also, usually from initial contact it is usually 3 months to contract; bid time, decision time, when the present contract expires... (3 months usually).

Hehe I feel Ya stringer
At first I was skeptical and didn't understand why you hated pms so much
Now I know!! They are CHEAP
You were right all along... was that price I gave them a good price you think?
The funny thing was two of my proposals were only about 45-60 dollars higher than their older budget...
Which to me isn't bad since they just got out of a two year contract... and the others were only about 75 dollars higher...

Hehe I feel Ya stringer
at first i was skeptical and didnt understand why u hated pms so much
now I know !!! They are CHEAP
You were right all along.... was that price I gave them a good price you think?
the funny thing was two of my proposals were only about 45-60 dollars higher than their older budget.....
which to me isnt bad since they just got out of a two year contract.... and the others were only about 75 dollars higher....

Yeah, I 'm sure that there are some good P.M.'s out there.

That is a perfect example, you were only talking about maybe $175.00 more a month. Let them have it, you don't need the pain... and trust me there will be pain... they will complain a lot.

This economy has forced a lot of companies to tighten their belts... it is now give and take on both sides. I am experiencing it a lot in all fields/markets.

Your pricing was very competitive. For future pricing of medium density Class B and C buildings use that as a keystone,

I am going to go to our emails last night about pricing and copy and paste them here to possibly help other people.

Thanks,

Stringer

Yes. I was also going to post your email but was unsure about what to post. You did say a few things in there I was unsure about hehe

Hi stringer I was wondering do you have an office for your business or do u run operations from your home?

Yes. I was also going to post your email but was unsure about what to post. You did say a few things in there I was unsure about hehe

No problem... Clean, here is what I think is pertinent:

Stringer........

"I do not trust property management companies (period). What you quoted will give them the job done properly and allow you manageable profit. That being said, you know that the choice is yours.

Answer this; Are you going to be doing the cleaning yourself? Or are you going to be paying someone to do all this? (Important in my calculations…..) Because, if you are doing this yourself then anything above your expenses (including all taxes) is profit for you, no payout to workers.

# 1: I would say this, in my opinion, figure how much time it will take you to complete EACH job on a daily basis.
# 2: With average density in the areas to be cleaned…you should be able to clean on average around 3,000 sq ft per hour. Divide this into the sq ft for each area and you will get the time it will take you to clean that specific area. If you are using workers to do this then minimum wage (loaded ) is just under $9.00 per hour in Illinois.

Example; say it takes 1 ½ hours to do a specific area = 1 ½ X $9.00 = $13.50 actual labor cost to clean it. Do you get the picture? I usually use about 17 to 25% for equipment and chemicals on top of this. For your administrative costs (taxes and other…): another 25 to 30%. See where that bottoms out for each job.

Then get back to me with your figures….in a break out for each and every one of these…

It is nice to know what their budget is and what the other company was charging….but I smell a dead fish here…. For her to be this NICE and to give you the 'present' pricing because she likes you so much and simply wants to work with you…..well, maybe? Their job is to cut or maintain all cost, especially now….she could be baiting you….because she knows you are new to commercial possibly…?

She is 'selling' you now…'buyer beware.' I can't say that this is true, but my experience of over 30 years doing this…….:(

Bottom line is: IF, you can work up your new total figures and compare them to hers and still make a decent profit (20 to 25% on smaller jobs like this) for each and every one of these…then possibly go with it. If for some reason after you do your due diligence and your figures are below hers then I would obviously use hers. I would tell her that you worked hard to 'squeeze' your figures and managed to match hers…tell her nothing else, the more info you give her the more she has to use against you if needed later.

If you are going to do this work yourself then you may have more wiggle room.

When we are finished with this email, I want you to 'copy' it and paste it on your thread please." - Stringer


Cleaningman23......

"Hi Lloyd,
I do understand where you are coming from, but for some reason they keep dangling more opportunities in front of my face. Which to me, can open up into other companies than them. I am in this business to make a profit though and will refuse to work for nothing. I have calculated that some days I would bring a worker and work besides him possibly cutting my labor cost by 20%. These are the figures I have calculated so far with your equation.

Suite 105= 1.67 HRS X 9.00 per hr= $15.03 labor
Same building(same day of cleaning) Network= .96 HRS X 9.00 = $8.64 labor
Those two would total to about $23.67 per week or $94.68 per month for labor

Suite A and B= 1.13 HRS X $9.00 per hr= $10.17
XXXXXX Building .82 hrs X $9.00 hr=$7.38
Those two would total $17.55 per day cleaned or $70.20 per month

Both of those together will be $164.88 Per month labor and less if I were to work along.

Now would the admin fees and equipment be on top of the over cost for all the jobs? Or individually?

Thanks again"



Stringer.....

"On top of…..simply take the percentage you want to add to the labor: (percentage??) X the labor for each thing….supplies, equipment, profit…. Then get a total monthly for each job. Then evaluate that against her figures. Then if hers is higher…use hers…if not then you have a problem."

Hehe I am hoping this post will be the old post on how to start a thrift store... only 20,000 more views to go hehee

Hi stringer I was wondering do you have an office for your business or do u run operations from your home?

Both... We have a staffed office and I have a complete separate office in my home with all my personal and business files. I set my 'home office' up several years ago, much more convenient for me as I work many ungodly hours. Many times I am in here doing follow up letters or proposals at 3-4 am.

But all official business; staff meetings, invoicing, accounts payable, sales meetings, supplier meetings, etc are always handled at our main office... it's about 1500 sq ft with5 offices and a conference/video room that seats 12.

Hehe I am hoping this post will be the old post on how to start a thrift store....only 20,000 more views to go hehee

:confused: Thrift Store? Please explain...

Sounds Cozy
Hehe One day I will be there!
Besides that If you go to the main page under small business and click Views or responses tab at the top...
It will show the highest amount...
And there is something that has a thrift store... with clough... as the last responder...

Over 20,000 views

Sounds Cozy
hehe One day I will be there!
Besides that If you go to the main page under small business and click Views or responses tab at the top....
It will show the highest amount .....
and there is something that has a thrift store......with clough ....as the last responder.........

over 20,000 views

Hi Clean, I went there, found the 'thrift store' but there were not 20,000 views?

Really this is what I got...
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Still confused although I would like to see the thread. Please just copy the thread address at the top of the page on this thread and paste it here... K?

Ok here you go.. it is not 20k posts but 20k views
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/small-business/how-start-thrift-store-5144.html

Hey I was thinking about getting up on the horse tomorrow and hitting up the cold calling...

Any places in perticular that you recommend my friend?

Hey I was thinking about gettin up on the horse tomorrow and hittin up the cold calling.....

any places in perticular that you recommend my friend?

Clean, that whole south side is ripe in my opinion. Actually that is part of my son's area, you may bump into him tomorrow...

As I mentioned before, since you are just moving into the commercial market I would go after small local banks (talk to me later about bidding banks... somewhat different), small privately owned buildings (3-5,000 sq ft), possibly retail...

Ok here ya go.. it is not 20k posts but 20k views
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/small-business/how-start-thrift-store-5144.html

Yeah, that thread is over 5 years old... and closed last year... by Clough. Good thing too, it went on for almost 4 years. :eek:

Clean, that whole south side is ripe in my opinion. Actually that is part of my son's area, you may bump into him tomorrow....

As I mentioned before, since you are just moving into the commercial market I would go after small local banks (talk to me later about bidding banks...somewhat different), small privately owned buildings (3-5,000 sq ft), possibly retail.....

Your son?
Does dirt dusters have some competition here on the southside?

I actually walked into a few banks here on the south side and they explained to me that CORPORATE... does the hiring...
That is a area I am interested in...
How do you get on these corporate lists and how do they get certain companies on their lists??
I have a follow to make in a month or so with a residential customer... she said her office was accepting bid is in August...

Your son?
Does dirt dusters have some competition here on the southside?

I actually walked into a few banks here on the south side and they explained to me that CORPORATE...does the hiring...
That is a area I am interested in...
how do you get on these corporate lists and how do they get certain companies on their lists???
I have a follow up to make in a month or so with a residential customer... she said her office was accepting bid is in august....

Presently I suggest that you go after SMALLER LOCAL banks. You are not large enough to do chain banks as yet. The requirement for corporate bank chains usually are; you already have banks that you are doing and can reference, usually minimum 5 years in business, and background checks on you and all your personnel, etc. And the bid out usually 10 to 30 banks at a time. Usually there is a bond required too, and the expense for equipment, upfront labor, supplies, etc on a multiple location bid is a hugh cost. Even if you could qualify you would probably overextend yourself I believe. not just in dollars but in management capabilities and quality control. We decided not to bid a Harris bank bid that was for 45 locations even though we were qualified. We were just too stretched at the time.

There are a lot of the other buildings that I posted previously that you can get and build your business upon.

Byran, my son's sales area is from Roosevelt Road south... he has gotten business in Orland Park, Tiinley Park, Calument City, Lockport, Romeoville Joliet, Downers Grove, Bolingbrook, Naperville and pretty much a lot of other towns... he has talent and is a damn good salesman. But his written report/plan for the rest of the week said that he would be in the Calument City, Orland Park areas and around. Last year (2008) he wrote about $100,000.00 per month in new business. Between his salary and commissions he is pulling in about $175,000.00 per year.

Getting leads from friends, business associates and other people is a great way to get new business. When we started over 17 years ago 60% of our new business was from referrals. But nothing beats... 20 new personal cold calls (on the street) a day.

Stringer...
HAPPY FATHERS DAY! HEHE
How was your weekend! Mine Went great!

Your advice of cold calling has blessed me with another lead!
I walked into a graphic studio in a industrial zone this past weekend(10,000 Sq Ft)
I met the owner and he explained that he would contact me Monday or if not have me call him...
He was currently in the process of accepting bids!! Which excited me!
Also, I walked into a smaller bank.. as you said.. and they said they just signed a contract last week...
So I missed them..
I also got a lead for a fedex kinkos when I was in there.. stating that they had a prior cleaning service and the guy disappeared... so they may need one... im suppose to talk to the manager... next week or so...

COLD CALLING WORKS!! Thank You Guys!

Stringer....
HAPPY FATHERS DAY! HEHE
How was your weekend! Mine Went great!

Your advice of cold calling has blessed me with another lead!
I walked into a graphic studio in a industrial zone this past weekend(10,000 Sq Ft)
I met the owner and he explained that he would contact me monday or if not have me call him....
He was currently in the process of accepting bids!!! Which excited me!
Also, I walked into a smaller bank.. as u said.. and they said they just signed a contract last week...
So i missed them ..
I also got a lead for a fedex kinkos when i was in there..stating that they had a prior cleaning service and the guy disappeared...so they may need one...im suppose to talk to the manager...next week or so...

COLD CALLING WORKS!!! Thank You Guys!

That is great Clean, if only more people listened...

I am not one that says; 'told you... ' he hee... but...

With all the advice you given me and you to clough.. I realized that the jobs don't come to you!
You have to go to the jobs and get them hehe..
Hopefully more people will listen to your advice and see that hey maybe every one in twenty ends up with a lead of some sort...
Thanks again!

I am going to get to bed though for tnite!
Got to get up early to sell a car in the morning!
I will keep you updated on how everything goes!

I am back! MY Birthday was yesterday and was all over the place..
How have you guys been

I have appt to look at that 10,000 sq ft studio...

The owner said they are finishing up construction but afterwards he wants me to do a post construction clean up... and then he wants me to scrub his concrete so they can lay a green screen down... I have a buffer with concrete attachment...

He said he is also interested in a cleaning contract after everything is done...

Any idea on what to charge stringer?

Hi, guys!

I'm sorry that I haven't been around! Have been ill and computer connection to the Internet has been really bad!

Thanks!

Sounds Cozy
hehe One day I will be there!
Besides that If you go to the main page under small business and click Views or responses tab at the top....
It will show the highest amount .....
and there is something that has a thrift store......with clough ....as the last responder.........

over 20,000 views

I've read some posts but still don't get it why the thrift store thread came up on this thread. :confused:

Thanks!

I am back!!
It was yesterday and was all over the place..
how have you guys been

I have appt to look at that 10,000 sq ft studio....

the owner said they are finishing up construction but afterwards he wants me to do a post construction clean up... and then he wants me to scrub his concrete so they can lay a green screen down...i have a a buffer with concrete attachment....

he said he is also interested in a cleaning contract after everything is done...

any idea on what to charge stringer?

Probably Clean, but I need more information...

Will all the 'heavy things' be removed prior to your constr clng? (Large pieces of concrete, wood, HVAC, rubble, etc) or will you have to remove these items? If so, will there be a construction dumpster there for your use? (Costs plenty to get rid of this stuff if there is no constr dumpster.)

What does the construction clean up consist of exactly? (Windows, any stripping and refinishing, carpet cleaning, etc.)

What is your time line... how much of a 'window' do you have to do the clean up?

What is the exact sq ft of the concrete area?

Is the concrete roughed in or smooth finished?

Let me know these things Clean...

And if you like any of these answers, please indicate this in the tab below, thanks... :)

Stringer

Hi Guys,
I am back.
I went and took a look at the location the other day and did some measurements of the area he wants to be cleaned...
The only problem was that the guy was not there and I had to ask someone else...
The concrete is a smooth finish... I measured it to be around 1,866 sq ft of area of concrete that he wants scrubbed...

But I am not sure of what he exactly wanted because he had left.. so I do have to obtain more information...
I will be contacting him tomorrow to come out and take a look once again...

My question is... for scrubbing of the concrete... what will be the best to do this... I have a floor buffer but this room looks like it needs something bigger to clean it.

I suppose we will have to clean up the construction debris up also...
They had poly laid on the ground... I guess the finishing up the celing though...

First things first Clean...

Nothing is a simple answer. If the concrete is smooth, use a black or green pad. If the concrete is rough, use a nylon or poly brush. Depending on how much soil, use a degreaser or stripper, cut back to about 20-30:1. Rinse thoroughly. Might have to dry overnight depending on what is going on it. Single disk floor machine with wet vac or 20" auto scrubber would be good.

Open or congested area? Nooks and crannies or one big room?

Using a single disc and wet vac, 2 guys about 1.5 to 2 hours per 1000 sq ft. Using an auto scrubber, one guy about 30-45 minutes with a double scrub. Important. Put chemical down, let it work, scrub and pick up.

When you have more 'concrete' (no pun intended) information about the rest of the clean up, let me know.

Stringer

Ok...
I know you were telling to use a degreaser or stripper with a black or green pad... Now the current floor machine I have is a Commercial Oreck Orbitor... not a single disc wet vac... or floor machine.. do you think that I should rent a machine?
The total amount of concrete is 1,866 ft and smooth... it is a real open area with high ceilings and at the moment there is poly laid down on the floor so it is not getting dirtied at the moment...
So that is the exact details I got.. how may I go about with pricing the concrete... I don't want to charge too less but I don't want to over charge him...

Ok ...
I know you were telling to use a degreaser or stripper with a black or green pad... Now the current floor machine I have is a Commercial Oreck Orbitor .... not a single disc wet vac...or floor machine.. do you think that I should rent a machine?
The total amount of concrete is 1,866 ft and smooth... it is a real open area with high ceilings and at the moment there is poly laid down on the floor so it is not getting dirtied at the moment.....
so that is the exact details i got .. how may i go about with pricing the concrete... I dont want to charge too less but i dont want to over charge him...

Definitely! Rent a single disc machine AND the right size pads if you want the job to go well and do a good job. I would not use any other type of machine.

Based upon the hours I gave you above to do 1,0000 sq ftper hour, I would figure between 4 hours for 'clean' and 5 or 6 for 'dirty.

Figure your loaded hourly rate and price accordingly.

Important... let the chemical down to work... but do not let it dry and remember to rinse well.

When are you to do the job?

Stringer

Hi, Cleaningman23!

Do you still want any help with advertising?

Thanks!

Definitely! Rent a single disc machine AND the right size pads if you want the job to go well and do a good job. I would not use any other type of machine.

Based upon the hours I gave you above to do 1,0000 sq ftper hour, I would figure between 4 hours for 'clean' and 5 or 6 for 'dirty.

Figure your loaded hourly rate and price accordingly.

Important...let the chemical down to work...but do not let it dry and remember to rinse well.

When are you to do the job?

Stringer

Well I am suppose to deliver the pricing to him today or tomorrow.. I am going to take it over there tomorrow though... now
They are finishing the construction this week I believe...
You said "1,0000" per hour or did you mean 1,000 per hour..


If it is 1,000 sq ft per hour


I am going to figure it out to be around close to two hours...

Now is the pricing going to be sq footage? Or hourly? I am unsure where I am going on that

Hi, Cleaningman23!

Do you still want any help with advertising?

Thanks!

Hi Clough!How have you been!
Yes! Most Definitely ! I need to get this online ads back on track I am slacking!
Please let me know next time you will be on... and I will be on...

I will most def be on tnite if you want to work on it!

Thanks Again!
James

well I am suppose to deliver the pricing to him today or tomorrow .. i am going to take it over there tomorrow though... now
they are finishing the construction this week i believe....
you said "1,0000" per hour or did you mean 1,000 per hour..?


If it is 1,000 sq ft per hour


I am going to figure it out to be around close to two hours....

Now is the pricing going to be sq footage?? or hourly?? I am unsure where I am going on that

Your pricing as always...

Personally, I would use $0.11 sq ft as a safe competitive price; 1,866 sq ft X $0.11 = $205.00, only a suggestion as there is other profitable work available here also... correct?

I just got back... came through your area from Merrillville, In.

Won't be available until later tonight, granddaughter's birthday party.

Stringer

Yes. There is other Profitable work so I agree with you with the pricing..
Oh you were out in Merriville?
Did you you ever get that hospital you were talking about a little bit ago?
I have have driver out about 45 minutes from my area to big commercial industrial zones and have had no luck recently... many had said they have their family do it or I have to Book an appointment with the perosn in charge of cleaning?

Have you come across the situation?

I have have driver out about 45 minutes from my area to big commercial industrial zones and have had no luck recently... many had said they have their family do it or I have to Book an appointment with the perosn in charge of cleaning?

Not sure that I understand your question?

Yes, we are in negotiations. It looks like it may take a couple/few months now... but it is progressing nicely, thank you.

Stringer

Oh I apologize...
I had walked into a few places out in the bolingbrook area "Industrial Commercial Areas" and when I walked in.. Some of the secretaries were kind of not telling me if they did or did not have cleaning services and they explained to me that I had to make a appointment to meet the person in charge to speak with him...

Oh i apologize....
I had walked into a few places out in the bolingbrook area "Industrial Commercial Areas" and when I walked in.. some of the secretaries were kinda not telling me if they did or did not have cleaning services and they explained to me that I had to make a appointment to meet the person in charge to speak with him....

Yep... those are all my accounts and they are trained to take care of me... :D

Awww cmon let me get some of them... are you serious?
I'm scraping over here for one single commercial job and your sitting back controlling your Mc Donalds Empire..

I still wonder to this day how all these damn foreigners steal all the jobs... everywhere I go has all ma and pa polish cleaning crews...

On top of it... I ran into a medical center cleaned by the nototious "Cardinal Cleaning" hehe

awww cmon let me get some of em...are you serious?
im scraping over here for one single commercial job and your sitting back controlling your Mc Donalds Empire..

I still wonder to this day how all these damn foreigners steal all the jobs .... everywhere I go has all ma and pa polish cleaning crews...

on top of it...i ran into a medical center cleaned by the nototious "Cardinal Cleaning" hehe

Yeah, they (Cardinal) give me a bit of bad air occasionally... they are also in Indiana. Actually they do a pretty good job overall, he is a tough competitor...

You will experience this "ma & Pa" thing because you both are going after the same size markets...

When you start to get larger and need crews trust me you will be damn happy that the Polish and Hispanics are willing to do the cleaning. "Americans do not want to clean toilets" even in this economy Clean. AND even if they do now, as soon as things get a little better they will leave you... fast. Most are excellent workers, we only hire those that are legal, we check thoroughly there is NO other way to do it. I wouldn't anyway, but the government is clamping down on employers that hire illegals.. big time.

Most often with the medium and larger size jobs you will only get a name, phone number and possibly an email address on your initial call. Then you call and set up the appointments, like I mentioned once before. But, sometimes you get lucky and walk into one that will see you right away... it happens.

I think I know where you are coming from hehe... Did you at one time clean toilets stringer? What made you go into this business if I may ask...

I did go into a new medical building out and they told me they were in the process of bidding and the man in charge was out of town.. so I gave them my card... and stopped int here again and they said he was still out of town... They did not have any of his cards... how will I got about this...

I think I know where you are coming from hehe...Did you at one time clean toilets stringer? What made you go into this business if I may ask ....

I did go into a new medical building out and they told me they were in the process of bidding and the man in charge was out of town .. so I gave them my card... and stopped int here again and they said he was still out of town.... They did not have any of his cards ...how will i got about this....

Along the way I have cleaned many and not just toilets. If you do not know how to do everything including carpets, VCT, stone, windows, general cleaning --- everything you will probably fail eventually.

I worked for another large company started in sales went to sales manager to VP of sales and was fired. Started this 17 years ago and it has grown since then. Each night I have about 200 full time people working.

I think I know where you are coming from hehe...Did you at one time clean toilets stringer? What made you go into this business if I may ask ....

I did go into a new medical building out and they told me they were in the process of bidding and the man in charge was out of town .. so I gave them my card... and stopped int here again and they said he was still out of town.... They did not have any of his cards ...how will i got about this....

Do you have the man's name and phone number? You have the name of the company and the address right?

I would do two things at this point;

Call him, tell him who you are, your company and phoine number and that you are very interested in tendering a proposal on the cleaning. If you get his voice mail, leave a very brief message saying the same thing... except; tell him that you will also call him back as this is important to him and you. AND, leave your phone number twice. After you introduce yourself and again just before you say goodbye... say it slowly and distinctly.

Also, send him a brief (seriously-brief) letter on your letterhead, state your company's name and what you do. (One small paragraph)

Second paragraph of letter; "I'm sure you realize that the appearance of your building is important in many ways? Especially to a for profit company... Clean and sanitized is synonymous with health."

"I am looking forward to the opportunity of providing quality service for your building." "I will contact you to gather the information necessary to offer my bid."

"Thank you."

Your name
Company name

This whole letter should be only about 1/3 of the total page, short and easy to read...

Stringer

2 phone numbers (landline and your cell

Hi stringer...
Sorry for the late response I have been having some PC issues lately...
How have you been I hope all is well!

Back to business
All right me and my single employee stoppe din the building on Friday and his secretary was there and said she was under strict supervision not give his number out...
I did get his name and cannot find an address online for it...
She also said she would promise that she would have him call me today and the call never came... I think I may stop in there again tomorrow if I Have time or stop in there on wendsday...

I also contacted a bank and talke dot the person in charge with the cleaning.. she stated that she was satisfied with her current cleaning but said to send her a synopsis of my company and she would keep me in mind if she ever becomes this satisfied with her current provider any ideas?

By the way I do not have a landline hehe...

It is a cell for my main business... I hope this doesn't hinder things at all...

Yes, when a sales call has reached a certain point and it is teetering on nothing going to happen, you have nothing to lose. I would stop at this place again and say that you were in the area, sooooo...

Many use the 'I'll keep it in my file' as and excuse to get rid of you... it usually ends up in the 'round file.'