... or something like that (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94799).


On Feb. 20, 2009, Missouri's Department of Public Safety issued a report to all law enforcement in the state entitled "Missouri Information Analysis Center Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement."

The report linked people holding conservative views on immigration, abortion, the U.N. the New World Order, etc. to dangerous and violent "militias" that Missouri law enforcement were instructed to be on guard against. Conservative opinions were demonized and made the subject of law enforcement scrutiny.

The report was leaked. National and state public reaction was strong and negative, and Missouri retracted the report and apologized.

This victory was short lived. The substance of the report is back, this time distributed to "federal, state, local, and tribal counterterrorism and law enforcement officials ..." by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as an "assessment" dated April 7, 2009, entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."

The entire assessment is available at the Roger Hedgecock website.

The assessment states it was "prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division" and "coordinated with the FBI."

It admits that "The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic right wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence." Nonetheless, it states that "right wing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about ... the economic downturn and the election of the first African-American President ..."

The report elaborates that... "right wing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms and use."

Sources say the report (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf) was in the works for a year, but I don't buy it... not in it's present form. If DHS were concerned about extremist groups worried over issues such as the economy and the wars, etc. they would have been issuing reports on all the left-wing extremism over the past 8 years, have you seen or heard of any? The report reads like a pure propaganda piece coughed up like a fur ball. It even has the gall to warn against the threat from returning soldiers being recruited to the cause:


(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

Perhaps if the President wouldn't stage fake photo-ops with the military (http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/11/obamas-potemkin-military-receptionno-scandal-troops-plan-who-will-take-what-questions-from-bushhuge-scandal-reader-post/) they wouldn't be so disgruntled. Go ahead laugh, I'm sure you didn't think Bush's Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq was fake (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/04/weekinreview/04berk.html?ex=1089518400&en=5faf03945091b706&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE) like the NY Times did, did you? This report which "has no specific information "is political BS of the highest order... but go ahead, tell me it's spot on. Then furnish some solutions.

Update: The American Legion is not happy (http://ourvoice.legion.org/story/1543/legion-dhs-americans-are-not-enemy) about it:


American Legion National Commander David K. Rehbein sent Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano a letter of protest concerning a recent report by the Department of Homeland Security which suggested veterans were more likely to commit terrorist acts than nonveterans. The letter is below.


Secretary Janet Napolitano
Department of Homeland Security
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528



April 13, 2009


Dear Secretary Napolitano,

On behalf of the 2.6 million-member American Legion, I am stating my concern about your April 7 report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence and Recruitment."

First, I want to assure you that The American Legion has long shared your concern about white supremacist and anti-government groups. In 1923, when the Ku Klux Klan still yielded unspeakable influence in this country, The American Legion passed Resolution 407. It resolved, in part, "...we consider any individual, group of individuals or organizations, which creates, or fosters racial, religious or class strife among our people, or which takes into their own hands the enforcement of law, determination of guilt, or infliction of punishment, to be un-American, a menace to our liberties, and destructive to our fundamental law..."

The best that I can say about your recent report is that it is incomplete. The report states, without any statistical evidence, "The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

The American Legion is well aware and horrified at the pain inflicted during the Oklahoma City bombing, but Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation's uniform during wartime. To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical "disgruntled military veteran" is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam.


Your report states that "Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages." Secretary Napolitano, this is more than a perception to those who have lost their job. Would you categorize union members as "Right Wing extremists"?

In spite of this incomplete, and, I fear, politically-biased report, The American Legion and the Department of Homeland Security share many common and crucial interests, such as the Citizen Corps and disaster preparedness. Since you are a graduate of New Mexico Girls State, I trust that you are very familiar with The American Legion. I would be happy to meet with you at a time of mutual convenience to discuss issues such as border security and the war on terrorism. I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are.



Sincerely,

David K. Rehbein
National Commander
The American Legion

And Jeff Foxworthy said ;You might be a Right-wing extremist if .......

Has DHS confirmed this report is real ? It sure looks authentic . According the Washington Times the "White House " is putting distance between itself and the report .

The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned."

But DHS says it is being fair and balanced .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

This is out of the Clintoon playbook . Back then it was right wing "militias " that were the threat.

They plan on rounding them all up at the tea parties tomorrow.

That is if you are one of those Krugman identified right-wing billionaires like Armey and Fox News http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)


The report identifies possible terrorists in folks who are "...antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

So much for the left meme "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"


I fear your Guv Perry is on this hit list now that he came out in favor of Federalism .

From Drudge earlier today :


Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states' rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states' rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government's constitutionally designated powers and impede the states' right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.

Hello:

Is this more of the "fairness doctrine" sky that's falling, or have you found a new sky caving in upon us called "put the conservatives into re-education camps" sky?

excon

We did not write the 10 page report DHS sent to police depts.

I know this will go nowhere with certain among us, but Michelle Malkin said (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/14/confirme-the-obama-dhs-hit-job-on-conservatives-is-real/) the DHS "press office got back to me and verified that the document is indeed for real." And by the way, Roger Hedgecock isn't just some "right-wing extremist" blogger, he's the former mayor of San Diego, CA. I have no reason at this point to doubt it's validity.

And no ex, I think the report speaks for itself. One that repeatedly is based on "no specific information" targeting possible right-wing bogey men via non-specific "chatter" sounds like the Obama administration demonstrating the "sky that's falling" mentality, not me.

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I wanted to send the picture, but couldn't get it to work for me.

It is a nice protrait of Obama in a gun shop. The caption said "Firearms salesman of the year".

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/firearms-salesman.jpg (http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/firearms-salesman.jpg)

Careful tom and Gal, people may be watching.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2675936167_f732f5940c.jpg

Look out, my own state of Texas will soon be on the VRWC extremist list...

Gov. Perry Perry asserts Texas’ Tenth Amendment rights

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It's a good thing we have all those concealed weapons

Hello:

Is this more of the "fairness doctrine" sky that's falling, or have you found a new sky caving in upon us called "put the conservatives into re-education camps" sky?

Now to address the "fairness doctrine" portion of your post, I offer you the left's vision of "fairness" in their own words (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/cheney-rove-and-fleischer_b_176346.html).


One of the greatest achievements of Barack Obama's presidential campaign was its domination of Internet communications, which fused Netroots connectivity with Grassroots political organizing. The Huffington Post and other progressive news and information sites, along with MoveOn.org and other Internet organizing networks, played a key role in this dramatic shift in communications technology away from the Right and toward progressive social change.

We need to lock in this advantage...

A chunk of the Obama Administration's stimulus money is aimed at laying down Internet connections in areas that are underserved. This expansion and upgrading of the nation's Internet cable system should make it possible for millions of people to by-pass the filter of giant media corporations and access alternative information that undermines the Cheney-Rove-Fleischer revisionist narrative of the George W. Bush legacy. We have a very rare opportunity right now to lock in a progressive advantage in Internet communications, information sharing, and Netroots mobilizing.

Let's remind you of the Orwellian language they use, "fairness," media "diversity," "neutrality." Which of these most closely embodies the phrase "lock in this advantage?"

Yes, speaking of lanuage.

No more global war on terror - lest we offend the radical jihadists. It is now man caused disaster. Which in itself is sexist. Why not human?

Then, not even a creeping incrementalism, to veterans being the enemy?

Legion objects to vets as terror risk - Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/legion-objects-to-vets-as-terror-risk/)

Are they referring to the potential veterans that rescued Captain Phillips and saved the face of the nation and Obama from embarrassment?:confused::eek:

Obama has a relationship with a known left wing terrorist in Bill Ayers and now his administration labels the "right wing" the enemy!!

This is too rich, unbelievable.




G&P

There is no linked study in this[/u] to prove their case. Where are the numbers, the data, the statistical analysis to prove there assertations?

There is no linked scientific study with numbers, data, and statistical analysis in this (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf) to prove their case. This is pure propaganda.





G&P

Are they referring to the potential veterans that rescued Captain Phillips and saved the face of the nation and Obama from embarrasment?:confused::eek:

G&P

Just out of interest, how did they save Obama from embarrassment?

If it were not for the US military, the Navy Seals in this case, Captain Phillips may still be a hostage or dead.

Obama did not literally pull the trigger did he?
Did Obama TALK the pirates into giving up Captain Phillips?

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You know why returning veterans may be more conservative?

If OIF and OEF veterans, like my brother in law, don't have to pay taxes while serving there, they really know the effect of taxes on take home pay.

Conservatives empathize with that, while liberals will tell them that they need to "spread the wealth" more [ to those who don't pay taxes or to Wallstreet bankers ].

Conservatives believe in the second amendment, liberals want more "gun control."
Imagine you are a returning veteran faced with these viewpoints. Your "gun" is what made it possible to kill the enemy, and keep you and your buddies alive, which viewpoint will you favor?

By singling out "conservative" viewpoints without proof of actual terrorist activity isn't this government violating First Amendment rights? You are guilty for thinking the "wrong" way?

All the major terrorist happen to be Islamic, would the Obama administration be for profiling Muslims?


This is really outrageous.










G&P

What about returning ACORN activists from the campaign trail?

Oh that's right, they were unemployed and living on campus or in a half-way house before the election…

What about returning ACORN activists from the campaign trail?

Oh that’s right, they were unemployed and living on campus or in a half-way house before the election…

And soon they'll be census workers.

I usually don't get on the computer before work but I wanted to post this

Most recent report from the Department of Homeland Security and Big Sis Janet Napolitano goes even further. It ends on an ominous note. It says, “DHS … will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization. This isn't change we can believe in. This is Janet Reno on steroids.

The iron heel is starting to come down. The Homeland Security Department and these fusion centers were not created by Obama, but were created by George W. Bush. And while Obama may ultimately be responsible for suppressing third parties and anybody else whose thinking is out of line with the Marxist mainstream, it was Bush that started the process. So I don't want to hear from lock step Republicans who insist that this is all Obama's doing. Both sides are to blame. Bush started it, but Obama may finish it, with Big Sis at his side.

Even the Communist ACLU has responded to some of these reports by saying that it crosses the line and shows a disregard for civil liberties. So dissidents on the left and dissidents on the right agree for once. But the government media complex, the Bush-Obama crowd, seems to be just fine with the idea of sending you up the river if you support a third party or oppose gay marriage. They're OK with putting you under surveillance if you have, quote, subversive literature, unquote. Or if you happen to support the wrong Republican member of Congress, look out; your next vote may be your last.


But you beat me to it. I have been warning people since the 70's that our own government was going to turn on US.

In 2002 when Homeland Security was formed I told people "DO NOT trust them!"
Maybe we need to test ourselves to see how high up on this terrorist list we rate.

Left-wingers are a threat to the nation's security. They prefer to invent right-wing extremists and worry about the last 3 KKK members in the USA instead of focusing on real dangers like Islamic extremism and piracy.

Right wing extremists

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Steve

Did you see Salon's take on Perry ? He's desperate so he is appealing to the fringe.
Rick Perry embraces the fringe - War Room - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/04/14/perry/index.html)

Saph
DHS may or may not be a needed agency and fusion centers sharing data and information strikes me as a good thing.
If the Obama administration is distorting the intent then it is a real stretch to place blame in President Bush's lap. I read nothing in their mandate that criminalizes dissent. The document states that there is no actual threat of violence. But people who disagree with the administrations policies on enforcing immigration laws, economic bailouts, gun bans, trade agreements are domestic terrorists.
Further ;the audacity (that word from the title of his 2nd "autobiography" was prescient in predicting the course he would take once elected ) to finger returning vets is stomach turning . It lumps someone like Texas Governor Rick Perry (as well as Jindal ,Palin and Mark Sanford )into the same group as the white supremists.
They seem to fear returning vets and people who put on tri-cornered hats to protest excess taxation more than the perps who create man caused disasters.

If my reading The US Constitution, The Federalist Papers, Friedrich Hayek's The Road to Serfdom , Atlas Shrugged makes me an enemy of the State then perhaps Jefferson's claim about the thirsty liberty tree is accurate.

Steve

Did you see Salon's take on Perry ? He's desperate so he is appealing to the fringe.
Rick Perry embraces the fringe - War Room - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/04/14/perry/index.html)

Except for calling us “the fringe” he’s right, Perry is the consummate campaigner and he clearly feels threatened by Kay, who is also suddenly rediscovering her conservatism. But, I’d love to get a guy like Koppelman and force him to live among us right-wing “fringe” extremists (citizens) in Texas for a while.

Hello wingers:

I'm willing to watch your tea bag day with an open mind... And, if that's what it winds up being, fine... But, I'm going to keep my eye out for your fringe groups, and who's leading them.

Beck has been showing Nazi's marching... Bachmann is warning her constitutants to be ARMED. Limprod still wants Obama to fail... Somebody is telling the wingers that Obama is going confiscate their guns...

Now, I know you don't understand that that kind of talk riles up some of your off the wall wingnuts... But, the rest of us do.

excon

Off subject... I saw Beck in passing when he was on CNN(I think) and thought him a bore . I have not watched him on FOX but he must've really changed his act if he is becoming this popular.

Ex, who exactly is telling us that Obama is going to confiscate our guns? Beck? Bachmann? Limbaugh? O'Reilly? Hannity? Who?

Bachmann's statement, though a poor choice of words, was not literal. Do you think we right-wing extremists (citizens) are so stupid that we're going to hear something like that and go beserk? Please, gimme a break. We are just as appalled at the kind of "right-wing extremists" that ARE a threat as you are.

And like tom, I find Beck boring also, but were you (or anyone else that despised Bush) as appalled over Nazi imagery and accusations (http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+nazi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) when he was president? I didn't think so.

But I am beginning to worry about you, in the first post you thought we were the chicken littles and in the second, you're sounding a little like one yourself.

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Good timing, NK. Two of us have already called Beck boring. Is he supposed to be representing us?

Hello again NK:

Thanks for that...

So, for you people who think video games and Hollywood movies cause violence, this doesn't??

Silly righty's..

excon

Good timing, NK. Two of us have already called Beck boring. Is he supposed to be representing us?Hello again, Steve:

You're missing the point... If the lefty's who issued the report you're complaining about knew the two of YOU, then they never would have done so...

But, the point is not about you. It's about your weird right wing brethren who LOVE Beck, and believe he's telling the truth...

excon

Hello again NK:

Thanks for that....

So, for you people who think video games and Hollywood movies cause violence, this doesn't????

Silly righty's..

Ex, I love to play a little Halo before watching Terminator 2. Seems most of the arguments I hear about such come from "scientific" studies, not we "righty's." And we don't like science remember?

Hello again, Steve:

You're missing the point... If the lefty's who issued the report you're complaining about knew the two of YOU, then they never would have done so...

But, the point is not about you. It's about your weird right wing brethren who LOVE Beck, and believe he's telling the truth...

Well thanks, but my point remains. You know of course I live in an oasis of conservatism, so MOST of my friends are conservatives. I'm sure some of them even watch Beck, and you know what? They're all just people. We even have liberal friends.

Hello again:

Here's some more from Salon, Glen Greenwald in particular:

"All of the enabling legislation underlying this Surveillance State -- from the Patriot Act to the Military Commissions Act, from the various FISA "reforms" to massive increases in domestic "counter-Terrorism" programs -- are the spawns of the very right-wing movement that today is petrified that this is all being directed at them.

When you cheer on a Surveillance State, you have no grounds to complain when it turns its eyes on you. If you create a massive and wildly empowered domestic surveillance apparatus, it's going to monitor and investigate domestic political activity. That's its nature.

I'd love to know how many of the participants in today's right-wing self-victim orgy uttered a peep of protest about any of this, from 2005."

excon

I will repeat my reply to Saph

DHS may or may not be a needed agency and fusion centers sharing data and information strikes me as a good thing.
If the Obama administration is distorting the intent then it is a real stretch to place blame in President Bush's lap. I read nothing in their mandate that criminalizes dissent. The document states that there is no actual threat of violence. But people who disagree with the administrations policies on enforcing immigration laws, economic bailouts, gun bans, trade agreements are domestic terrorists.

Further ;the audacity (that word from the title of his 2nd "autobiography" was prescient in predicting the course he would take once elected ) to finger returning vets is stomach turning . It lumps someone like Texas Governor Rick Perry (as well as Jindal ,Palin and Mark Sanford )into the same group as the white supremists.
They seem to fear returning vets and people who put on tri-cornered hats to protest excess taxation more than the perps who create man caused disasters. (foreign terrorists who attack from inside the country )

Hello again, tom:

If the report from Homeland Security had targeted growing left-wing extremist activity, would you be protesting, or would you be saying, RIGHT ON?

You don't have to answer.

excon

Yeah actually I do .

Here is a part of the report :

Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.

(as if it is inevidible that right wingers will begin their preparations )

Rhetoric such as calls for revolution and hate speech from the Radical Left has been over the top for many decades. The most I have done is call them moonbats . I have not called for their arrest detention or even survaillance . I have limited my concerns to vigilance against Jihadist plotting to murder inside the country .

Hello again, tom:

If the report from Homeland Security had targeted growing left-wing extremist activity, would you be protesting, or would you be saying, RIGHT ON?

You don't have to answer.

I'm not tom, but my question is if that were the case, would the media jump on the story? Or how about, how many congressmen would immediately demand an investigation and call for Bush's head to roll?

Maybe if some of the crazy righty's (not all of you are crazy) didn't drive around with this on your cars maybe we wouldn't be looking at you as a threat.

Maybe if some of the crazy righty's (not all of you are crazy) didn't drive around with this on your cars maybe we wouldn't be looking at you as a threat.

Spit, is that any worse than this?

http://images4.cafepress.com/product/12112144v1_350x350_Front.jpg

At least the liberal hunting permit was funny.

Or this gem for sale on a liberal site http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/125/y1634_125.gif (http://www.stickergiant.com/support-our-troops_y1634.html)

How many people you know own lions. How many people you know own guns? That is the difference.

We didn't need the troops to over throw you guys. You messed that up all on your own.

Or these...

http://www.progressivebumperstickers.com/liberal_bs/550.gif
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I got to admit though, I'm surprised they're still selling this one: http://www.progressivebumperstickers.com/liberal_bs/118.gif

Sun Sept 20 Giants @Dallas to open the new stadium!! This game starts a 3 week road trip by the Giants . I wonder what the NFL is up to ?

How many people you know own lions. How many people you know own guns? That is the difference.

The difference is one is funny, the other isn't. No one is out hunting liberals, Christians really were thrown to the lions.

How many Christians were fed to lions in America speech? And when was the last time ANY Christian was fed to a lion?

Sun Sept 20 Giants @Dallas to open the new stadium !!! This game starts a 3 week road trip by the Giants . I wonder what the NFL is up to ?

Yep, we get you guys for the first home game. Don't complain though, the Cowboys schedule looks pretty rough, too.

I just don't understand why they keep putting the Raiders on the 2nd game of the first Monday night. How many times do we need to see them get blown out.

How many Christians were fed to lions in America speech? And when was the last time ANY Christian was fed to a lion?

None in America that I know of, and quite a long time ago... but has that ever stopped anyone from throwing the Crusades in our face? Or witch burnings? Or slavery? How many of you that have been to Texas feel threatened by us gun totin', bible thumping, liberal hating bitter Christians while walking down the street? Come to my town and who do you think is going to serve you at the restaurant, sell you a bottle of wine, make sure your hotel stay was enjoyable, protect you on the streets? Yep, us.

That is why I don't go to the south.

That is why I don't go to the south.

Why, you're afraid of friendly people, good service and good food? That's rather bizarre, Spit.

I just reread my post and realized I didn't paste the entire thing. I said I have no problem with the people in the south it is just to hot for me. That is why I don't go to the south. Sorry about that Speech.

I just reread my post and realized I didn't paste the entire thing. I said I have no problem with the people in the south it is just to hot for me. That is why i don't go to the south. Sorry about that Speech.

Now that I can buy. Although, that depends on where in the south you go. Here it's mostly windy, but either the heat and humidity or all that wind could be enough to drive someone to a little extremism. So blame global warming, not the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. :D

I actually have been going to the south a lot lately for work. Thought I was going to have go to TX two weeks ago but it got called off. I have to work outside most of the time and that heat kills me I sweat so much I literally have to bring 2 shirts for one day. It is really nasty. Great people so friendly and funny. Not like Philly man half the people up here wouldn't even spit on you if you were on fire.

Great people so friendly and funny. Not like Philly man half the people up here wouldn't even spit on you if you were on fire.

Aha, exactly. Great people that are funny and friendly sounds nothing like an extremist threat. And by the way, we no longer go to Cowboys games when Philly comes to town, I've never seen such rude, crude, foul, unfriendly fans as I have at an Eagles game. Give me Redskins fans any day... even Giants or Steelers fans. ;)

Speech I don't go to eagles games because of Eagles fan. I absolutely hate Eagles fans.

And right on cue, college leftists rear their ugly, violent heads (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/15/fiasco-amnesty-thugs-break-glass-shut-down-tancredo-at-unc/).

And for contrast, check out the CNN reporter being "harassed" (http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/cnn_reporter_harassed_at_chicago_tea_party/) by the "anti-government, anti-CNN" "right-wing" TEA party crowd in Chicago.

One side is just asking to be heard while the other (hint-the liberals in both videos) is demonstrating intolerance and trying to silence the other. Which is the threat?

Yeah it is a shame how they are saying that the rich Republicans paid for the tea party whenever ACCORN and other lefties DO pay for protesters to disrupt things.
WE had grassroots they have astroturf.
Why do they refuse to see the tea party for exactly what it is

AMERICAN'S wanting a government that is BY the people and FOR the people.

AMERICAN'S wanting a government that is BY the people and FOR the people.Hello Saph:

I guess you missed the last election...

excon

Here's something else to compare all that right-wing extremism to, a Gaza war protest in San Francisco (http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/) in January sponsored by ANSWER coalition among others.

http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/IMG_0231.JPG

http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/IMG_0272.JPG

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http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/IMG_0221.JPG

I'm not sure how people trying to "End Racism" can rationalize their open, hostile anti-Semitism but why quibble? I'd think that people who believe "every Zionazi is a miiltary target" and want to "globalize the intifada" are more of a threat than returning vets that have served their country with great sacrifice.

Hello again, wingers:

I don't know. What's that old Republican saw you use when the government spies on people?? Isn't it kind of like this? "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about"? I think it IS!

So, what are you worried about? Isn't a government who spies on its people something you support?? I think it IS.

Silly righty's.

excon

Hello again, Righty's:

It was reported today that the National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year.

Several intelligence officials, as well as lawyers briefed about the matter, said the N.S.A. had been engaged in “overcollection” of domestic communications of Americans. They described the practice as significant and systemic...

Until I hear one of you raise hell about THIS, I've got NO SYMPATHY for you - not an iota.

excon

Ex, if you believe the reports I just read the Obama administration has “reined in” the NSA so everything’s apparently cool. And that’s part of the problem. The media (and you guys) were all over Bush at every turn. Where are they now? Where’s the outrage at Obama continuing – even expanding in some instances - the same Bush policies that drew the outrage? You ask where were we then, well where is everyone now? When can both sides agree that enough is enough?

I think we can agree that for our safety certain things have to be done - while not trampling the rights of law abiding American citizens. OK? The point of the “domestic” surveillance was supposed to be international communications. They’d better have a damned good reason to monitor purely domestic communications, agreed? Yeah it would pi$$ me off if I knew the feds were monitoring my emails and listening to my calls because I am a loyal American and I’m not a threat.

So who is a threat? Shouldn’t we reserve scrutiny for those who are? That’s my point in this thread, why are we targeting conservatives – groups or people with such threatening views as being opposed to abortion and returning vets for instance – for “no specific” reason? The only similar reports from DHS on left-leaning extremists have been on animal rights/environmental wackos. You know, the ones that spike trees and destroy research labs. You don’t think large groups of people that are openly hostile to Jews, anarchists, militant gays such as those that targeted churches and businesses in California last year and violent, leftist students deserve a closer look?

Ain’t going to happen, because the left would rather have a domestic war with their conservative enemy than confront a real threat.

Where are all the lefties ? I thought dissent was patriotic?

Is it only liberal dissent that is patriotic and conservatives are not allowed free speech rights?

Did the Bush administration's DHS ever propose that liberal thinking veterans were at risk for becoming terrorists?



G&P

It was reported today that the National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year.

Well President Obama Barack did say he was going to end the threat of privacy.

He is trying to trap some of those Rightwing Extremists.

Or perhaps we have more terrorists, and their supporters in the US than previously thought, which is why more wiretapps/intercepts were needed.

So who is a threat? Shouldn't we reserve scrutiny for those who are? That's my point in this thread, why are we targeting conservatives – groups or people with such threatening views as being opposed to abortion and returning vets for instance – for “no specific” reason?

Ain't gonna happen, because the left would rather have a domestic war with their conservative enemy than confront a real threat.Hello again, tom:

And, my point in this thread, is that when we violate the Constitution to target ONE group, you shouldn't be surprised when your group is next.

Plus, if you think my opposition to domestic spying is based upon my view of conservatives, instead of my support for the Constitution, you haven't been paying attention.

excon

Hello again, tom:

And, my point in this thread, is that when we violate the Constitution to target ONE group, you shouldn't be surprised when your group is next.

Tom is the Giants fan. But who's surprised? I'm not, nothing the left does surprises me.


Plus, if you think my opposition to domestic spying is based upon my view of conservatives, instead of my support for the Constitution, you haven't been paying attention.


Exactly. So where did your outrage go based on that support for the constitution?

Exactly. So where did your outrage go based on that support for the constitution?Hello again, Steve:

You want me to rehash my disdain for the Patriot Act? Ok, Steve, just for you...

It's an abomination for the government to violate the Constitution to spy on ANY group.

You don't really think I'm one way about that, do you? Nahh, you don't.


But who's surprised? I'm not, nothing the left does surprises me.Who opened the door? It certainly wasn't the LEFT.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You want me to rehash my disdain for the Patriot Act? Ok, Steve, just for you...

It's an abomination for the government to violate the Constitution to spy on ANY group.

You don't really think I'm one way about that, do you? Nahh, you don't.

Who opened the door? It certainly wasn't the LEFT.

Excon

Who did, the Dufus?


The Hypocritical War on Terrorism (http://www.fff.org/freedom/1296d.asp)
By James Bovard, December 1996

President Clinton is continuing to agitate for new powers to suppress terrorists. He is demanding more powers for wiretaps, more powers to prevent people from using encryption for their e-mail, more powers to classify normal crimes as terrorist offenses, and so forth. As usual, Clinton's solution to every problem is more power for himself and his cronies. Clinton has scorned opponents of his terrorist proposals, claiming that they want to "turn America into a safe house for terrorists."

It is difficult to understand how politicians can denounce any private opposition to increased federal power when the government is already rampaging in many areas of the nation. The drug war has resulted in a pervasive use of National Guard units for oppressive search-and-destroy missions against suspected marijuana growers in many states. Using the military for law-enforcement purposes is very effective, since soldiers are more efficient than regular police because they often openly scorn the Fourth Amendment and other constitutional rights.

It is important to recognize the hypocrisy of government officials regarding illegal actions that result in the deaths of many civilians. In the days after the Oklahoma City bombing, the Clinton administration launched a full-court press to whitewash federal action at Waco. When a journalist stated in April 1995 on Cable Network News that he considered the 1993 Waco federal attack a terrorist act, Labor Secretary Robert Reich rushed to distinguish between what the feds did at Waco and the bombing at Oklahoma City: "We are talking about acts of violence that are not sanctioned by the government — that are not official." Reich sounded as if the government has a moral magic wand that can automatically absolve law-enforcement officials of any abuse, regardless of how many dead babies are left when the smoke clears. Atrocities committed by the government cannot really be considered to be atrocities — instead, they are merely policy errors — or, more accurately, public-relations mistakes.

Clinton, in the days after the Oklahoma City bombing, called for Americans to "all be careful about the kind of language that we use and the kind of incendiary talk we have." Yet it was federal officials who demonized the "cult members" at Waco long before the feds themselves were demonized over their actions at Waco. At the 1994 trial of the Davidian survivors, federal prosecutors compared David Koresh to Hitler and Stalin and declared that the 11 defendants "are as much religious terrorists as the people who blew up the barracks in Lebanon, the people who blew up the World Trade Center in New York and Pan Am 103." Yet, four ATF agents stated after the raid that federal agents may have fired first at the Davidians at the original 1993 raid. The government's vilification of the defendants was rejected by the jury and contributed to the perception that the government, like some right-wing zealots, was fanatical about Waco.

Neither the BATF nor the FBI ever made any efforts to apologize for their abuses at Waco. Indeed, the BATF last year rehired two agents (with back pay) who had been fired for lying about whether they knew that Koresh was expecting the initial BATF raid. And no one should forget that, before the embers of the dead children had a chance to cool at Waco, BATF officials raced in and proudly planted their flag atop the smoldering ruins.

The Clinton administration's attitude towards terrorism — massive, deadly force used against innocent civilians — was epitomized at the House Waco hearings in the summer of 1995. The highlight of Attorney General Janet Reno's eight hours of testimony on August 1, 1995, was her revelation that the 54-ton tank that smashed through the Davidian compound should not be considered a military vehicle — instead, it was just "like a good rent-a-car." Apparently the Justice Department had purchased the damage waiver and didn't worry about getting a few scratches or blood stains on those tanks.

Such an observation by Reno does not inspire confidence in the Justice Department's moderation in its future operations. The news media fawned all over Reno for her testimony and almost all the journalists failed to report Reno's "rent-a-car" comment. Yet, this comment goes to the heart of why Waco continues to outrage millions of Americans. The federal government used military force against American women and children — and then tried to cover up its violence and to pooh-pooh any critics. What are a few 54-ton tanks smashing into a home and gassing children among friends, anyhow?

Further evidence of the political abuse of the terrorist issue comes from comments by FBI Director Louis Freeh last year. Freeh repeatedly portrayed the new wiretap powers as vital in the fight against terrorism. But a report by the Administrative Office of the United States Courts in May revealed that the FBI and other federal agencies have dismally failed to use existing legal authority against domestic terrorist groups. Though the federal and state governments imposed a record number of wiretaps in 1994 (1,154), not a single wiretap was installed in the pursuit of arsonists, bombers, or gun-law violators. No such wiretap against alleged terrorists has been requested since 1988. The vast majority of wiretaps were targeted against drug and gambling criminals.

Further evidence of Clinton's hunger for more power is clear in his proposed antiterrorism bill. David Kopel and Joseph Olson recently observed in the Oklahoma City Law Review :

"The new terrorism bill defines virtually any crime as 'terrorism,' whether or not related to actual terrorism. 'Terrorist' offenses are defined as follows: any assault with a dangerous weapon, assault causing serious bodily injury, or any killing, kidnapping, or maiming, or any unlawful destruction of property. Snapping someone's pencil, breaking someone's arm in a bar fight, threatening someone with a knife, or burning down an outhouse would all be considered 'terrorist' offenses. Any attempt to perpetrate any of these terrorist crimes would be subject to the same punishment as a completed offense. Even a threat to commit the offense (i.e., 'One of these days, I'm going to snap your pencil') is likewise labeled 'terrorism.' The extra federal power created by the legislation is superfluous to genuine anti-terrorism. It was already a serious federal felony to make a real terrorist threat, as by threatening to set off a bomb, or to assassinate the president."

Clinton and Democratic congressional candidates this year are making political hay over the fact that the Republicans have not yet kowtowed to this particular Clinton power-grab.

Clinton's proposed antiterrorism legislation also greatly expands federal wiretap authority. The Clinton administration wiretap legislation would allow the use of illegal wiretaps in federal court and would also allow "roving wiretaps" — covering a large number of pay phones in the hopes of catching some lawbreaker. There is widespread fear among both liberals and conservatives that the Clinton administration could use the new wiretap authority to go after vast numbers of critics of government policy who pose no threat of violence.

Clinton's proposed legislation would allow wiretaps against suspected violators of any federal law. Jamie Gorelick, a deputy assistant attorney general, fanned such flames on May 3, 1995, when she told House International Relations Committee that tax protesters could be one type of "criminal" targeted by the expanded wiretap authority. Democratic Rep. Robert Scott of Virginia, questioning Louis Freeh on the same subject, asked, "Where would you have drawn the line to differentiate that tax protester from any other person that's just mad about paying taxes? I mean, are you going to subject them all to wiretaps to find out?" Freeh responded, "No, we wouldn't have the resources to do that." Yet, since the antiterrorism legislation will greatly expand the FBI's resources, far more tax protesters could presumably be tapped in the future. Private-property advocates who denounce the abuses of the Fish and Wildlife Service could be another easy target for the expanded wiretap authority.

The Clinton administration also announced that it had issued a new interpretation of the guidelines under which the FBI surveils domestic political organizations. The revised guidelines will give the FBI a green light to infiltrate far more private groups and political organizations. Assistant Attorney General Gorelick told the Senate Judiciary Committee that even "without a reasonable indication of a crime, a preliminary indication can be undertaken" and "you could use informants and you could collect information, and then determine whether you have reasonable indication for a full-fledged investigation."

Freeh gave a most expansive definition of terrorism in a speech last year to the American Jewish Committee: "Terrorism is the work of people and groups seeking to further their causes through fear and intimidation." By this definition, vast numbers of cynical Americans — for instance, individuals who call talk radio shows and denounce government abuses — could be classified as terrorists. And the payments to all the potential informants could really drive up the old federal budget deficit.

And Freeh has been either manipulative or naïve when he speaks of public concern about government abuses. Freeh declared on May 13, "To my amazement, there are voices that . . . claim repression by government — and fear of government. . . . Sadly, I am astounded at these developments, as I think most Americans are." Once again, Freeh implies that the only decent attitude any American should have toward his government is blind trust, if not blind adoration. It is especially ludicrous for an FBI chief to express amazement at people's fear of the government, when the FBI itself trampled many citizens' rights in the 1950s and 1960s with burglaries, illegal wiretaps, character assassination, and intimidation, and when the FBI has yet to admit any misconduct in the cold-blooded killing of Vicki Weaver.

Who opened the door? It certainly wasn't the LEFT

Ummm not exactly true. Clintoon used wiretaps on political "enemies" rivals using Eschelon. 60 Minutes did a report about it in 2000.

Further fuel for the fire...


MEDIA, Pa. - April 8, 2009 (WPVI) -- A Penn State training video showing educators how to deal with troublesome students has some veterans hopping mad (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=6752255).

The controversial video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspC-sIm_P0) has since been pulled from Penn State's webpage, but the outrage continues to mount, even among those who founded the American Veteran's Museum.

"It's a product of ignorance, people who don't know veterans, haven't served in the military of don't have that kind of experience with veterans," Pennsylvania State Representative Bryan Lentz said.

Lentz, who served in Iraq with the Army, is among those terribly disturbed by the since removed video designed to show instructors how to cope with "worrisome student behaviors."

In the video, the instructor tells the department head he is still having a problem with a student.

The department head responds, "The veteran?"

The instructor goes on to explain to the department head that she's very nervous because the veteran student has confronted her about the poor grades he's receiving.

The instructor says to the student, "This isn't a personal thing against you."

The student responds, ": I think it is, you've made it very clear in your class how you feel about the war and you're taking it out on me."

The instructor says, "My personal beliefs have nothing to do with the way I treat you."

Joe Dymond, who served in Iraq with the Marine Corp, is disturbed that the video portrays veterans as monsters.

"Instead of teaching understanding and compassion, our educators are teaching that veterans coming back from this war are someone to be feared, someone to be scared of," Dymond said.

Robert Pavone, who served with the Army in Iraq, calls it stereotyping.

"It kind of hurts you inside, like why would anyone portray us like that?" Pavone said.

Media Mayor Bob McMahon, who served in Vietnam, remembers how his colleagues were treated coming back from the war back in the 60's and says, 'here we go again.'

"Here we are with a college, a college that just doesn't understand what it's like to serve in combat and therefore they have a perception that they probably didn't realize was created in Vietnam," McMahon said.

Tonight, the university released a statement saying, "The video has been pulled and that there was certainly no intent to suggest that any particular student group was inclined toward worrisome behavior. Our portrayal of the student as a veteran may be viewed by some as unfairly stereotyping members of this important constituency. We certainly regret any misperception."

For its part, a university spokeswoman says they are grateful for all the feedback they have received, and that it has been an important learning opportunity for them, one they will use to better serve their veteran students.

Imagine if the video were about a black student, or a homosexual, a Muslim? Nah, the video would have been in support of them and not the teacher.

The Obama house characterization of conservatives is ARROGANT.

This is really bi-partisanship at its finest!

So much for the great unifier.

Yeah, this is how the left "unifies." Right on the heels of this ridiculous report, Democrats are smearing conservatives (http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/04/house_democrat_leaders_tea_par.asp) both openly and secretly over the tea parties.


But in an interview on Fox TV in San Francisco, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) chalked up the GOP grass-roots effort as “AstroTurf.”

“This initiative is funded by the high end; we call it AstroTurf, it's not really a grass-roots movement. It's AstroTurf by some of the wealthiest people in America to keep the focus on tax cuts for the rich instead of for the great middle class,” Pelosi said.

What a load of crap coming from people that have perfected the art of "astroturf" protests. It gets better though...


Other House Democratic leaders took a different tack: One senior aide has been circulating a document to the media that debunks the effort as one driven by corporate lobbyists and attended by neo-Nazis...

In addition, the tea parties are “not really all about average citizens,” the document continues, saying neo-Nazis, militias, secessionists and racists are attending them. The tea parties are also not peaceful, since reporters in Cincinnati had to seek “police protection” during one of the events, it states.

Where's the video footage of these "not peaceful" protests? Surely someone had a camera rolling on it. Where are the masses of neo-Nazis, miltias and racists that attended? You mean that one guy that called Obama a fascist? Yeah, roll the footage next to a San Francisco gay pride parade.

Or how about this from Congressman Schakowsky of Illinois?


CHICAGO, IL (April 15, 2009) – Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-IL, released the following statement (http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/il09_schakowsky/pr_teaparties_04_15_09.shtml) in response to “tea parties” being held on Tax Day.

“The ‘tea parties’ being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs. It’s despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt. Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians.”

What's shameful and despicable is the utter contempt Democrats like you show for your constituents.

we call it AstroTurf

There are some subjects the left should not dredge up .

"When I was a younger man and had a life, I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."
Bill Clintoon

It's like the irony of Ted Kennedy giving the President a "water dog" .

My friend says that the lefties are claiming that the 'Republicans' are recruiting KKK members and they are bigger and stronger than ever because they aren't happy that we have a black President.
I figure there had at least 30, thousand at the tea parties yesterday and how many that couldn't attend because of work.
I know this is not a race thing!
I also heard the governor of Texas say that he is ready and willing to secede from the U.S. A. if they have to because he says he refuses to become a socialist state.

Texas does not have a secession provision in it's constitution . The original 1845 constitution said that Texas could enter as a State in the United States or in 5 states subdivided from the Texas Republic . Texas as a state, nor any of those subdivided states had the right to secede from the Union.

Both the idea of a United States of America and before that an Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union more than implied that the states were forever bound together in destiny and fate into a indissolvable union .

Some of the greatest champions of limited gvt in the early years of the nation were very clear that they did not intend for the States to have secession rights.Andrew Jackson stated during the nullification crisis that The Constitution,derives its whole authority from the people, not the States. The States “retained all the power they did not grant. But each State, having expressly parted with so many powers as to constitute, jointly with the other States, a single nation, can not, from that period, possess any right to secede, because such secession does not break a league, but destroys the unity of a nation.”

Madison made it clear he was wary of any misinterpretation that the sovereignty retained by the States, as stated in the Tenth Amendment, implied the power of nullification, or secession.When Washington gave the Constitution to Congress he said" In all our deliberations we kept steadily in our view that which appears to us the greatest interest of every true American, the consolidation of our Union, in which is involved our prosperity, felicity, perhaps our national existence.”

there are some subjects the left should not dredge up .

"When I was a younger man and had a life, I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."
Bill Clintoon

It's like the irony of Ted Kennedy giving the President a "water dog" .

Nice pickup, tom.

Hello:

Seems to me that secession, being treason, is worth investigating. Now, I don't know if I'd want to call Texas a right wing fringe group, but the Republican governor is trying to make it that way.

excon

Hello:

Seems to me that secession, being treason, is worth investigating. Now, I don't know if I'd wanna call Texas a right wing fringe group, but the Republican governor is trying to make it that way.

As noted before, Gov. Goodhair is just a politician and he feels threatened by Kay Bailey Hutchinson so he's ramping up the rhetoric, because Texans - not extremists - but Texans ARE an independent lot just as he said. But, is there anything in the constitution that says a state can't secede? Wasn't our country's revolution a secession from Great Britain? Some folks in Vermont seemed to think it a good idea (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/30/AR2007033002076.html) a couple of years ago.

Texas and Montana both have a clause in their joining the United States that they can secessed if they feel the United States is not following the constitution and our freedoms for the people.
So if and when they do --I might just make Texas my new place to live.

Hello again,

No, they can't secede. It's TREASON! Tom wrote why above.

excon

Hello again,

No, they can't secede. It's TREASON!! Tom wrote why above.

excon

How you going to charge an entire state with treason? Just curious. I mean, are the feds going to attack us or what? Note: I'm not arguing for secession.

I always heard they could.
I think that the government pushing socializism and dictatorship on us is a form of treason.
They send our military to fight for our freedom and now they want to claim we are the terrorists if we believe in freedom of speech and Americans rights.
So we sit here and see how far they will push this and then one day it is going to come to even many lefties realizing what we got ourselves into then they will wish they had stopped things before they got that far.

On treason from article II of the constitution:


Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

How does secession fit that definition?

Steve ;correct .In fact there was no secession during the so called Civil War .It was in fact a revolution.Lincoln had no choice as President but to wage the war.

In a March 15, 1833 letter to Daniel Webster congratulating him on a speech opposing nullification, Madison discussed “revolution” versus “secession”:


I return my thanks for the copy of your late very powerful Speech in the Senate of the United S. It crushes "nullification" and must hasten the abandonment of "Secession." But this dodges the blow by confounding the claim to secede at will, with the right of seceding from intolerable oppression. The former answers itself, being a violation, without cause, of a faith solemnly pledged. The latter is another name only for revolution, about which there is no theoretic controversy.
Right of Revolution: James Madison to Daniel Webster (http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.html)

Now that we've settled secession, back to the unhinged leftist view of conservatives. And seriously, I want to know when reasonable people are going to hold them accountable on their hypocrisy and the dangerous, intolerant BS they spew just like you do Ann Coulter. The latest from Janeane Garafalo (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/04/16/garofalo-tea-partiers-are-all-racists-who-hate-black-president) (and her pathetic buddy KO).

Garafalo said the tea parties were about one thing, racism.


JANEANE GAROFALO: Thank you. You know, there's nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they're not quite certain what he's saying. It sounds right and then it doesn't make sense. Which, let's be very honest about what this is about. It's not about bashing Democrats, it's not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don't know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that. And you know, you can tell these type of right wingers anything and they'll believe it, except the truth. You tell them the truth and they become -- it's like showing Frankenstein's monster fire. They become confused, and angry and highly volatile. That guy, causing them feelings they don't know, because their limbic brain, we've discussed this before, the limbic brain inside a right-winger or Republican or conservative or your average white power activist, the limbic brain is much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person, and it's pushing against the frontal lobe. So their synapses are misfiring. Is Bernie Goldberg listening?

OLBERMANN: Russ.

GAROFALO: Because Bernie might not have heard this when I said this the first time. So, Bernie, this is for you. It is a neurological problem we're dealing with.

OLBERMAN: Well, what do we do about it, though? I mean, our friend in Pensacola there who played them like a $3 fiddle and led them right down the garden path with nothing but facts and then they went, wait a minute, that doesn't sound like Rush Limbaugh. If you can't get them to make that last leap to what are we all doing here, Howard Johnson is wrong, how do you break through that?

GAROFALO: I don't think you do, for most of them. This is a -- it's almost pathological or elevated to a philosophy or lifestyle. And again, this is about racism. It could be any issue, any port in the storm. These guys hate that a black guy is in the White House. But they immigrant bash, they pretend taxes and tea bags, and like I said, most of them probably couldn't tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston tea party, the British imperialism, whatever the history lesson has to be. But these people, all white for the most part, unless there's some people with Stockholm syndrome there.

OLBERMANN: And, I didn't see them, the fact that they weren't near the cameras which is bad strategy on the part of the people that were staging this at Fox.

GAROFALO: True, and Fox News loves to foment this anti-intellectualism because that's their bread and butter. If you have a cerebral electorate, Fox news goes down the toilet, very, very fast. But it is sick and sad to see Neil Cavuto doing that. They've been doing it for years, that's why Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch started this venture, is to disinform and to coarsen and dumb down a certain segment of the electorate. But what is really, I didn't know there were so many racists left. I didn't know that. I -- you know, because as I've said, the Republican hype and the conservative movement has now crystallized into the white power movement.

OLBERMANN: Is that not a bad, long-term political strategy because even though your point is terrifying that there are that many racists left, the flip side of it is there aren't that many racists left.

GAROFALO: They're the minority, but literally tens of people showed up to this thing across the country.

OLBERMANN: But if you spear your television network or your political party towards a bunch of guys looking who are just looking for a reason to yell at the black president, eventually you will marginalize yourself out of business, won't you?

GAROFALO: Here's what the right-wing has in, there's no shortage of the natural resources of ignorance, apathy, hate, fear. As long as those things are in the collective conscious and unconscious, the Republicans will have some votes. Fox News will have some viewers. But what else have they got? If they didn't do that, who is going to watch -- you know what I mean? They have tackled that elusive clam -- you know, the clam, the 18 to 35 clam -- klan. Klan. With a k demo. But, you know, who else is Fox talking to? I mean, what is it urban older white guys? And the girlfriend, and, you know, the women who suffer from Stockholm syndrome gain. There's a lot of Stockholm syndrome, is what I'm saying ultimately. What else do you want to know?

OLBERMANN: What happens if somebody who's at one of these things hurt somebody?

GAROFALO: That is an unfortunate byproduct since the dawn of time of a volatile group like this of the limbic brain. Violence unfortunately may or may not ensue. It always, it's like a, the Republican Party now depends upon immigrant bashing and hating the black guy in the White House. Will people act on that? It's not new. But, you know, Fox doesn't mind fomenting it. Michelle Bachmann doesn't mine fomenting it. Glenn Beck doesn't mind fomenting it.

And obviously she and Olby don't mind fomenting hate while complaining about Republicans fomenting hate. How "cerebral" does one have to be before they can't recognize they're engaging in the EXACT behavior they're simultaneously complaining of? If being cerebral means being an ignorant a$$hole I'll just suffer with my swollen limbic brain.

Suppose for a moment that you have access to virtually unlimited sums of money.
Suppose you hate the US as it has existed for its previous life.
Suppose you wanted to destroy Constitutional rights.

Now suppose you demonize every voice that opposes you, blaming them for every random act of violence that happens.
Suppose you control most of the news outlets.
Suppose you have a divided nation, a virtual powder keg.

Suppose you sacrifice the President, blame conservatives in general for that act.

Suppose great civil unrest breaks out.

Then suppose your allies declare martial law and suspend the Constitution?

All conservatives should pray for the safety, if not the sucess, of Obama.

I know it's far fetched, but history shows that strange things do sometimes happen.

Suppose you sacrifice the President, blame conservatives in general for that act.Hello again, gal:

This is the second time you've mentioned this stupid stuff. Have you seen your doctor lately?

excon

I've had enough with supposing, that's what's wrong with the DHS report. True, the agency did issue a report in January on left-wing extremists, listing specific groups, specific attacks, and the specific threat, unlike the unspecified BS in this report.

However, the left is claiming this is entirely a Bush document in spite of the fact that it's dated April 7th and DHS published it in spite of concerns raised by their own civil liberties officials (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/napolitano_right_wing_extremists_9). There must have been some rush to get this report out... like before the tea parties. No you say? Read on...


Md. Guard Issues Warning to Staff about Local TEA Party Protestors (http://somd.com/news/headlines/2009/9833.shtml)

CALLAWAY, Md. (April 15, 2009) - A document issued by the Maryland National Guard on April 9 warns full-time Guard personnel to be aware of threats from local citizens protesting income taxes during grass roots events known as TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Parties -- one of which was held on Solomons Island March 22. The Guard document, "Planned TEA Party Protests (FPCON Advisory 09-004)," was believed to have first been revealed by a blog called The Jawa Report. A call today to Col. Kohler, Md. National Guard Public Affairs in Baltimore, confirmed the authenticity of the document. The document was officially classified as UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY (U/FOUO).

The Guard document describes the TEA Party protests as a movement. "Numerous entities have formed recently to express displeasure/anger over recent federal/state government actions: more taxes, increased spending, higher deficits, a surge of borrowing to pay for it all, bailout of the financial institutions," stated the document under the heading of SITUATION.

The document appears to treat protestors as potential terrorists. The Point of Contact is identified as "Antiterrorism Program Coordinator" and provides a redacted army.mil email address.

The verbiage in the document advises Guard personnel to prepare for the worst. "Commanders are encouraged to update alert rosters and review emergency evacuation plans/rally points. Ensure all facilities have emergency phone lists posted (i.e. FBI, FIRE, POLICE, HOSPITALS, EMS, ETC…). Be aware of and avoid local protests."

Despite the alarmist warnings in the document, the lead paragraph states, "there is no known direct threat to MDNG facilities and MDNG members, they may become a target of opportunity during plan protest activities throughout Maryland."

The Guard document follows closely on the heels of a Dept. of Homeland Security document, released on April 7 that profiles American citizens who are concerned about gun rights and the "current economic and political climate" as potential rightwing extremists and domestic terrorists. The document is titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" and was recently profiled in a Washington Times article.

Brace yourself for this one, ex:


Yet another Homeland Security document from the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC), leaked to the press in March, profiles vocal supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin as potential domestic terrorists. The so-called MIAC document also cautions police to be aware of citizens carrying a copy of the U.S. Constitution, labeling the document as "political paraphernalia."

Carrying a copy of the constitution - AKA "political paraphernalia" - "constitutes" a potential threat?

Evidently the comments about returning vets was spaghetti thrown at the wall that did not stick. After hearing from the people the outrage over the "footnote " to the DHS doc. DHS Sec Janet Napolitano said yesterday that no offense was intended .

"If there's one part of that report I would rewrite, in the wordsmithing Washingtonese that goes on after the fact, it would be that footnote."

Wordsmithing ? Washintonese ? Gobbledegook!!
I see nothing in her comments that indicates she intends to scrub the doc. Of the content.
And she won't... after all ;Timothy McVeigh was a vet. Napolitano was a prosecutor investigating aspects of the Oklahoma City bombing . It must've left a lasting prejudice in her mind.

Ralph Peters has it right . She needs to be fired!!
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/16/peters_napolitano_janet/


Ron Paul is a little off base on certain issues . That hardly makes him a terrorist .
The Modern Militia Movement-Missouri MIAC Strategic Report 20Feb09 - Magazines & Newspapers, Terrorist, and Reports (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09)-

Lets face the facts ;Obama singled out gun totin bible thumpin red necks during the campaign for derision. None of this should come as a surprise. And besides ;Johnny Jihad was a white dude also .

Last time my son came home from Iraq about a month ago I was wondering what about the vets how are they going to feel if our country does turn socialist/dictator? I am sure they will not be happy that they fought for our freedom only to return here and see many of our rights are gone.
Mike Savage has some lawsuits now one is for DHS to reveal what is in the classified version.

Oh and my last comment on secession...
It would be treason for any state to break away but what is it called when the government takes away state sovereignty and tells us how everything has to be?

I have no problem with states reasserting their rights described in the 9th and 10th amendments .Where Guv. Perry stated that I'm with him. I also don't for one second believe he takes the idea of secession seriously . But he has to take a little more care in his rhetoric .


My cousin sent me some comments by NCOs over in Iraq over the recent events.
I'd say many of them have a sarcatic overtone
Here are some of the cleaner ones

-I want to thank you for the elite terrorism How-To training.

-So the people fighting terrorism are identified as potential
Terrorists now?

-it is not yet illegal for states or regions to want to maintain
Some degree of individuality. If we wanted a central government to do
Everything without our consent and then charge us for it, we
Would all still be British citizens.

The states are there to be a check
And balance counter-weight when one party controls the legislative
And executive branch.

So what they are saying is that soldiers who have come over here
And to Afghanistan to fight terrorism are going to become what they
Fough against ? HHHHHHmmmmmmmmm I think my bullsh*t meter just went
Off.

I really doubt any state will try to secede until it is too a really bad point whether that is 5 years from now or 20.
Here is a page that looks to me like Montana does have it in writing that they can secede
Montana State Sovereignty Resolution (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2200410/posts)

-So the people fighting terrorism are identified as potential
terrorists now?

-it is not yet illegal for states or regions to want to maintain
some degree of individuality. If we wanted a central government to do
everything without our consent and then charge us for it, we
would all still be British citizens.

The states are there to be a check
and balance counter-weight when one party controls the legislative
and executive branch.

So what they are saying is that soldiers who have come over here
and to Afghanistan to fight terrorism are going to become what they
fough against ? HHHHHHmmmmmmmmm I think my bullsh*t meter just went
off.

Excellent.

Hey Ex, do I call your weird ideas stupid?
Let's play nice now!

Now that we've settled secession, back to the unhinged leftist view of conservatives. And seriously, I want to know when reasonable people are going to hold them accountable on their hypocrisy and the dangerous, intolerant BS they spew just like you do Ann Coulter. The latest from Janeane Garafalo (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/04/16/garofalo-tea-partiers-are-all-racists-who-hate-black-president) (and her pathetic buddy KO).

Garafalo said the tea parties were about one thing, racism.



And obviously she and Olby don't mind fomenting hate while complaining about Republicans fomenting hate. How "cerebral" does one have to be before they can't recognize they're engaging in the EXACT behavior they're simultaneously complaining of? If being cerebral means being an ignorant a$$hole I'll just suffer with my swollen limbic brain.


Garafalo must not realize that people other than white people, can be and are consevative.
That is her own brand of racism.

She may be a good actress, but all she has to do is read words written for her and then emote. Hey that sounds like Obama ;). Does she write anything? A book , a column? Is she capable?




G&P

Gal's comment may have pushed the envelope ,but there is a degree of plausability when considering an administration that openly states a crisis is too good to waste.

A nut job shoots at cops in Pittsburg and he becomes someone who listens to ,and is influenced by Glen Beck comments on Fox. Someone in Mo. With a Ron Paul bumper sticker had better follow the traffic rules to the letter because the State told the troopers to watch that car.

This was the SOP of the Clintonoids also. After Oklahoma City everyone who was critical of Clintoon was practicing the politics of personal destruction. If you opposed the "assault rifle" ban you were a member of a right wing militia.

With this memo and the complicit media ,who's to say that the Obots are not shaping the debate simularily ?

Protesters at "tea parties " become a threat who at a minimum need to be mocked ,ridiculed, demonized and silenced,with vulgar urban dictionary comparisons.

The timing of the memo's release certainly was quite a coincidence. By the time they are through the impression left is that when the tea parties are over ,the tri-cornered hats come off and the white sheets are donned.

I have seen gal's thoughts and variations of it posted both here and throughout the web. I pray the President lives a nice long life and passes away at a ripe old age from natural causes long after his disastrous public career ends... remembered by Americans as a discredited President who over reached at the beginning of his term;and created such a backlash that the American people finally "voted all the bums out" .

what is it called when the government takes away state sovereignty and tells us how everything has to be?Hello Saph:

It's called the Constitution.

excon

Hello Saph:

It's called the Constitution.

excon

Did you miss it, ex? The Constitution is "political paraphernalia (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/conservatives-threaten-homeland-341412-10.html#post1672691)" that makes you suspicious.

Maybe we all need to read the Constitution and pay attention to what it says about powers not expressly given to the federal government are retained by the states. And no, that's not a direct quote.

Seems to me the constitution gives states rights that these politicians want to take away.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/varv04192009a.jpg (http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/varv04192009a.jpg)

You now can peruse the DHS dictionary to find out your status..

YOU MAY BE A DOMESTIC EXTREMIST and not even know it.

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf

Do you write on an 'alternative media site... 'like perhaps AMHD ? You may be either a right wing extremist or a left wing extremist even if there is no advocacy of violence of criminal activity. In fact if you are white or blacks, Christians and Jew, Cuban and Mexican, or just a tax-hating American... you too may be a Domestic Extremist.

The DHS has been recalled by DHS since publication.

You now can peruse the DHS dictionary to find out your status ..

YOU MAY BE A DOMESTIC EXTREMIST and not even know it.

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf

do you write on an 'alternative media site ....'like perhaps AMHD ? You may be either a right wing extremist or a left wing extremist even if there is no advocacy of violence of criminal activity. In fact if you are white or blacks, Christians and Jew, Cuban and Mexican, or just a tax-hating American ...you too may be a Domestic Extremist.

The DHS has been recalled by DHS since publication.

Pretty much anyone but an Islamic extremist may be a terrorist, eh?

Pretty much anyone but an Islamic extremist may be a terrorist, eh?Hello again, Steve:

I wonder how they find out about stuff like that?? Maybe it's because they SPY on us. I wonder where they thought they could do that?? Maybe when the dufus started illegally SPYING on everybody.

Didn't I say something about YOUR group being targeted next if you didn't stop it back THEN??

I DID, and guess what??

excon

I wonder how they find out about stuff like that??? Maybe it's because they SPY on us. I wonder where they thought they could do that??? Maybe when the dufus started illegally SPYING on everybody.

Didn't I say something about YOUR group being targeted next if you didn't stop it back THEN????

I DID, and guess what????

Uh ex, anyone can visit an open board like this, or Free Republic, Hotair, Atlas Shrugs, Powerline, etc. But anyway, you don't honestly think they just started spying on us after 9/11 do you? Or do we have to mention Echelon again? Oops, I did it anyway.

Wow

Alternative media - anyone "extremely" disagreeing with "mass media"

Leftwing extremism - "...opposition to war ...."

- what happened to the First Amendment?



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Direct action - "LAWFUL and unlawful...."



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I wonder where Bill Ayers or ACORN fits into all this ?





G&P

Hello Saph:

It's called the Constitution.

excon

Not so. The US Constitution says that those powers not SPEIFICALLY given to the US remain with the States. Most of what the federal govt is doing is extra-constitutional