After last nights song and dance before the joint houses of congress has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. Will he now start speaking positive. Or is he incapable of that?

Yes, he is incapable. And worse yet (I fear) most Americans are incapable of recognizing it too.

We're coming off a President who did poorly, so I believe that so many are willing to take "anything different" :(

has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. ?Hello 450:

The following CBS poll tells you what the people really thinks about their president:

CBS News and Knowledge Networks held a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 people who watched President Obama give his address to Congress to gauge their reaction in the minutes after the president's speech.

Though the results are not yet final, here are the preliminary findings.

Seventy-nine percent of speech watchers approve of President Obama's plans for dealing with the economic crisis. Before the speech, 62 percent approved.

Fifty-two of speech watchers think the president's economic plans will help them personally. Thirty-five thought so before the speech.

Seventy-five percent of speech watchers now say they were able to get a good understanding of Barack Obama's economic plans, compared to 61 percent before the speech.

Seventy-three percent of speech watchers think President Obama's plans will make the economy better. Twelve percent think they will make them worse, while 15 percent think they will make no difference.

Seventy-nine percent of speech watchers are optimistic about the next four years with Mr. Obama as president. Seventy-one percent said they were optimistic before the speech.

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I know you feel isolated, 450.

excon

Hello again koolaid sipper,
Yet for another day the Dow is down another 132 points. If there is so much confidence in nobamas ability please tell me why the stock market is down so far since he took orifice?

There are some people who can't deal with reality, donn; I guess you are one of them... only happy talk for you!

Sane Americans know that we were put into an untenable position by BUSH's No(KNOW)Nothing politics of the last 8 years and here we stand on the bring of disaster, complete disaster.

If you still have money in the stock market, you are a fool. The signs were there for a *long time*, and the worst has not yet occurred.

We have to face our problems... *first*, is our dependece on foreign oil... the Confederate Party's Reagan ignored the problem as all Presidents did after him, and now we import more oil than we did in 1980, and an oilman just left the White HOuse and left Americans is a world of trouble.

Decent Americans are not as stupid as you think... happy talk would not work in the face of reality.

Don is neither "out of reality" or isolated. It does not surprise me that people are eager for socialism after all that our country has been through in the past 4-8 years.

But hey, who am I to argue? I know well that majority rules... so more power to y'all who embrace this new regime.

Don't be a pathetic crybaby whiner, Rich(and other's here).

Spend time learning about reality instead of following the hate speech that is *easiest* for you to understand... don't be lazy fear and hatemonger at the ***most critical time in American history***.

EDUCATE YOURSELVES!

You take that as crying? Hate speech?

You must be replying in the wrong thread.

It does not surprise me that people are eager for socialism after all that our country has been through in the past 4-8 years.Socialism has been made out to be a bad word by the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd.

"In America, it is widely unpopular to associate oneself with a socialistic ideology. Americans use the word “socialism” to imply negative connotations to a political theory most know little about. Commonly categorized with Nazism and communism, the idea of socialism in America is derogative and unappealing.Americans frown upon any social and political structure not based solely on the foundations of capitalism. Social welfare assumes a bad name because it contradicts the greed of a capitalistic society in which people are left to fend for themselves.Socialism should be understood for what it is: an idealistic governmental system that stresses the importance of social welfare. " source (http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20759)

Right back at you Choux, It was Carter that started the downfall by his insistence that everybody deserved a home of their own. Did not matter if they could afford to make payments on it or not. Followed by Clinton and that idiot Janet Reno pushing the banks further by threats of punishing them for not giving enough questionable loans to people who could not reasonably make an effort of repayment. Oh and don't forget the head of the banking committee the last two years, that goof ball Barnie Frank who has taken kick backs from freddie and fannie. Or who has for the last 10 or so years been cooking the books at freddie and fannie to make millions in bonuses? People like Jamie Gorelick that's who! Get off your high horse, This mess was created by the government and is further being perpetrated by the same political hacks that have been in congress for the last 20-30-40 years. Get them all out and replace then with honest people is the only solution.

Get them all out and replace then with honest people is the only solution.Good luck with that! Remember you live in the USA where greed is good. :)

"Socialism" is what it is.

I did not say it's "bad".

I don't want it, but if it's what voters want then I know that I can either live with it or move.

Where is the hate speech or crying in that?

I don't want it...But you already have it: the bailouts started by Bush, your roads, your fire stations, educational system, etc...

Socialism has been made out to be a bad word by the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd.

"In America, it is widely unpopular to associate oneself with a socialistic ideology. Americans use the word “socialism” to imply negative connotations to a political theory most know little about. Commonly categorized with Nazism and communism, the idea of socialism in America is derogative and unappealing.Americans frown upon any social and political structure not based solely on the foundations of capitalism. Social welfare assumes a bad name because it contradicts the greed of a capitalistic society in which people are left to fend for themselves.Socialism should be understood for what it is: an idealistic governmental system that stresses the importance of social welfare. " source (http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20759)

I guess you failed school huh? This country was not founded on socialistic principals, It was founded as a democratic society. As such people are free to make of it what they want. If you choose to get a good education, work hard and make a lot of money in the process that is democracy. Under your theory, if you go to school ( paid for by someone else) and work at a meaningful job,( give to you by the government) given just enough money to sustain yourself while the "elite" in government live on caviar and steak, that is OK?

Donn DOESN'T know Facts, and Rich is a whiner engaged in hate speech against Democrats. They listen to that liar Rush Limbaugh of the Confederate Party for their material.

I'm not going to argue with liars and whiners, Need Karma, I got lots of constructive things to do... I'm moving next week!
Keep the liars and haters in line and IN REALITY. :)

I guess you failed school huh?
It's weird, I could swear that I saw you posting on the christianity boards being all holier than thou, and look how you speak to people...

This country was not founded on socialistic principals, It was founded as a democratic society. As such people are free to make of it what they want. If you choose to get a good education, work hard and make a lot of money in the process that is democracy. Under your theory, if you go to school ( paid for by someone else) and work at a meaningful job,( give to you by the government) given just enough money to sustain yourself while the "elite" in government live on caviar and steak, that is OK?None of what you said I agree with. What you do is called a strawman argument and is reserved for those who have a weak or no argument.

Rich is a whiner engaged in hate speech against Democrats

Shame on you. I hate Rush and I've not whined.

So you think disagreement is hate speech?

Shame on you, I've not said anything hateful.

I'm the daughter of a farmer from Arkansas. I was raised a Southern Democrat and Bill Clinton was my governor all during my youth and through high school. (Still have my autographed photo, too.)

Once, the Democrats were the party of the working man. They now seem to be the party of people always wanting something they didn't earn. I came from a world where if you didn't work, you didn't eat - meaning if you didn't give to the common good you didn't get anything out.

Once I married and moved out I realized the Democrats didn't represent me. I left home and married at 19, never finished college and scraped by. We saved, bought a house, worked 2 jobs each, had kids and got a bigger house. We never asked for help from the government - not even unemployment.

I thought for a while that the Republican party was the answer. Found out they are no different from the Democrats when they have all the power. Want to know the difference betweent the parties? Democrats help their friends and Republicans help their friends. The rest of us pay for it.

I don't really have a party. The one that comes closest is the Libertarian party, but no one takes them seriously.

It just chaps my fanny to hear a co-worker plan how she is going to spend her multi-thousand dollar tax return (thank you EIC) when she is pregnant with baby #3 from daddy #3 and to top it all off is on 3 government programs.

My hubby and I were handed a $4k tax bill on top of what we have already paid. Those of us who have busted out collective butts over the years and have followed the rules and not gone into incredible debt just get a little resentful now and again when we're told to suck it up and get ready to pay for someone else's irresponsibility.

Rick Chou likes to stir the pot . If you asked her for specific times you used hate speech she could not and would not provide it

Chou likes to stir the pot . if you asked her for specific times you used hate speech she could not and would not provide it

I recognize that. That's why she has not responded since. Anyone who can read english recognizes that I have not been hateful with my words.

Disappointed, yes.
Disagreeing, yes.
Hateful, pathetic or "crying", no.

Ok, you don't have to believe me about this but this comes from a very reputable source that I had suspected was happening all along during televised speeches...

When the speech is first televised, the audio portion is embedded with signals that cause the listener to agree with the speaker. This is done only when the speech is telecast live. It is not embedded with these audio signals on rebroadcast.

My 25 year old son and I were watching O during his live appeal for passing the stimulus package. He turned to me and said "Oh, he's not so bad". I fell off my chair at that statement! My son and I can see through his hogwash. My son did say other things totally out of character for him to say about O. He "came to" about 12 hours later.

He asked some friends of his who are able to detect these audio signals and they confirmed what I had thought had happened to him. He was susceptible to these audio signals and yes, they are quite real.

Ever wonder why everyone just loved the stupid program American Idol and would talk about it ad nauseum for days after the show? It had the same type of embedded audio signals in the show. If you had the special equipment needed you could actually "see" these added audio signals that are embedded into these kind of shows. O's handlers obviously know of these embedded signals and what they can do.

Ok, I'm sure you are going to think I'm off the deep end, but I would not go out on a limb like this unless I thought ONE MEMBER here would believe me. You have no idea who I know either.

Think about it for a moment. Why would people even say that O would pay their mortgage, fill their gas tank and other stupid statements that are totally unrealistic if they were thinking clearly? They wouldn't.

So bash away, but while you do bash me, consider this... I just told you the truth.

When the speech is first televised, the audio portion is embedded with signals that cause the listener to agree with the speaker.hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha!

So don't believe me NK I don't care about what you or your fellow shoplifting Canadian friends think.

Oh sorry I didn't know you were being serious. Carry on.

You obviously have no idea about Electronics warfare. It is used by the US, Russia, etc. You have no idea what you are making fun of.

Both my brothers are Electrical Engineers and I work in IT. I know a little.

Back to dependence on foreign oil.

I, for one am really tired of this horse puckey abut the "oilman" being responsible for this foreign dependence.

It has been the Dems who have CONSISTENTLY blocked every effort to fully utilitize our own oil resourses, and as for coal, HORRORS. Even though we have the technology to burn coal cleanly and we have more of it than anyone, or so I hear.

Our problem here is that the nuts who populate the environmental sub culture have WAY too much influence in Washington.

Now we are going to solve the problem of energy by spending who knows how many billions on wind and solar. These MAY provide a significant percentage of our power needs SOMEDAY, but for the foreseeable future, they are going to be a huge rat hole down which too much money will run.

After last nights song and dance before the joint houses of congress has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. Will he now start speaking positive. Or is he incapable of that?

I did not watch but the first several minutes last night, then I had more important things to do.

Can someone explain to me how if during the past 8 years we've been through a recession, 9/11, continued operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bursting of the housing and credit markets... how spending over a trillion dollars is going to help?

You can blame the Bush administration all you want but what has Obama done but play the "catastrophe" card to get a porky spending bill passed and expand the government.

As to socialism - is Venezuela what we are hoping to be?









G&P

As of Thursday the Dow is down another 100 points. At this rate it will be below 7000 by Friday closing. Lots of confidence there! What do you think the bottom will be,5000?6000?

Couldn't resist posting this cartoon from a British newspaper. Says a lot here.

These links are for those individuals who don't believe in EMF Brain Stimulation (or Electronic Warfare) that I referred to earlier in this post:

Open Source Internet Intelligence Service: NSA Conducting Electronic Warfare on US Citizens? (http://osiis.blogspot.com/2006/05/nsa-conducting-electronic-warfare-on.html)
American Chronicle | Is the NSA Conducting Electronic Warfare On Americans? (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/9752)
Domestic Surveillance and Mind Control Technology (http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/SigintInfo.htm)
Psiterror: Контент / English / Monarch: The New Phoenix Program (Part two) (http://psiterror.ru/p/content/content.php?content.92.7)

It is real. Read these articles for yourself and decide otherwise.

These are just a handful of articles available on the net about this subject.

So I would suggest NK and his relatives are not up with the latest technology available. Also, are they military? I highly doubt it if they pooh pooh this technology.

Man you should read your links before you post them.

Link #1: a blog posting with no references whatsoever
Link #2: was going to be his testimony but nothing ever came of it did it? It certainly doesn't refer to "audio portion is embedded with signals that cause the listener to agree with the speaker" as you posit.
Link #3: is a copy/paste of the content of link#2
Link #4: is a russian site (whose .ru domains I try to avoid), there are 6,319 words on that page, which ones support your theory?

"For electronic surveillance purposes electrical activity in the speech center of the brain can be translated into the subject's verbal thoughts. RNM can send encoded signals to the brain's auditory cortex thus allowing audio communications direct to the brain (bypassing the ears)."

I wear protection

http://fermentation.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/tinfoil.jpg

After last nights song and dance before the joint houses of congress has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. Will he now start speaking positive. Or is he incapable of that?

Yeah really what happens to politicians once they are elected they go from one extreme to the other,
Before elected all he did was preach a positive change and we sure got a change from optimistic CHANGE to doom and gloom practically over night.


Do you know what this 3 million dollar commercial is all about?
YouTube - Scarecrow - a GE ad Focuses on Smart Grid Technology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1XqLPa9BoA)

Look at this
smart grid and big brother - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=smart+grid+and+big+brother+&btnG=Search)

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Do you know what this 3 million dollar commercial is all about?
YouTube - Scarecrow - a GE ad Focuses on Smart Grid Technology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1XqLPa9BoA)Smart grid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid)

NK is that the shamwow sales guy in you avitar ? I want to hire him .

It is. He has come up on the radar lately due to his fight against Scientology having ripped him off. He's also the "You'll love my nuts" Slap Chop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPKtBM99kAc) guy.

Smart grid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid)

Yep that is its intent but that is not their ultimate purpose

He's the best sales person in telemarketting today.


How much privacy do you lose ? Right now the utility company monitors my energy usage through the phone line already . My bank has a complete profile of my spending and income (unless I go completely cash)... and that information gets bought and sold. My satellite providers knows my entertainment preferences . And fiber optic transmissions is much more efficient and better than unsightly wires criss-crossing the country that go down every time the wind blows.

I happen to agree with the President that this is an infrastructure project that will benefit the country .

And fiber optic transmissions is much more efficient and better than unsightly wires criss-crossing the country that go down every time the wind blows.


Maybe your guys need practice down here. If they went down every time the wind blew we'd be in the dark 80 percent of the time.

I think McCain could have used Vince right after he flew back to Washington to rescue the economy.

Tom, I hear the Gnats are going after Houshmandzadeh. He can probably catch those balls thrown behind him. :D

Maybe your guys need practice down here. If they went down every time the wind blew we'd be in the dark 80 percent of the time.


Tell that to Kentucky ;the epicenter of a multi-state natural disaster response;a performance that was covered up (Obama's Katrina event ) earlier this month .

Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear called the ice storm "the biggest natural disaster that this state has ever experienced, at least in modern history." He called out the entire National Guard .

A quarter million Americans without power in the dead of winter and FEMA was AWOL .

Obama joked and yucked it up about his kids missing school in D.C while 250,000 Americans froze (some to death ). MSM gave Obama a pass.
The Associated Press: Ice-battered Kentucky pleads for help from storm (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jv320qXrVAVFqDYU3nglqZySw6YgD9621HN03)

tom, I hear the Gnats are going after Houshmandzadeh. He can probably catch those balls thrown behind him. :D

I like it! Get him to catch the errant passes and maybe Dixon learns to hold onto the deep passes .
Who knows how far they'll go ? They also need to get deeper at Linebacker... especially if Pierce becomes collateral damage in the Burress case.Perhaps get line backers who can tackle when Westbrook gets through the D Line.

tell that to Kentucky ;the epicenter of a multi-state natural disaster response;a performance that was covered up (Obama's Katrina event ) earlier this month .

Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear called the ice storm "the biggest natural disaster that this state has ever experienced, at least in modern history." He called out the entire National Guard .

Now ice is a different story altogether, but around here if a power line gets blown down it's usually because a tree was blown over... we get quite the wind in these parts. That's why T. Boone has such an interest in wind power, he's not having much luck buying up our water to ship downstate so he needs another way to bring in the bucks for all that open space he has an interest in. More than likely he doesn't give a hoot about wind energy, he's all about what's best for Boone.


A quarter million Americans without power in the dead of winter and FEMA was AWOL .

Obama joked and yucked it up about his kids missing school in D.C while 250,000 Americans froze (some to death ). MSM gave Obama a pass.
The Associated Press: Ice-battered Kentucky pleads for help from storm (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jv320qXrVAVFqDYU3nglqZySw6YgD9621HN03)

And I swear it was just a couple of weeks ago that someone in the MSM brought up the Bush Florida school moment without mentioning Obama's Kentucky moment.

I like it! Get him to catch the errant passes and maybe Dixon learns to hold onto the deep passes .
Who knows how far they'll go ? They also need to get deeper at Linebacker ...especially if Pierce becomes collateral damage in the Burress case.Perhaps get line backers who can tackle when Westbrook gets through the D Line.

I'll be glad to send you a big receiver to take Plaxico's place.

But those folks in western KY are primarily white, bible believing, conservative southerners - they can't be victims, or at least politically correct ones.


But the fact is, they had less warning then Katrina, and most of the folks were prepared for this kind of emergency. My wife's 70-80s yo grandparents have food from the garden stocked up, a wood burning stove, fuel, a generator, and younger relatives for support. Did I mention that a lot went to TN or IL till power came back.

For their basic needs they relied on self first and waited for help for community issues like downed power lines and snapped telephone poles etc...









G&P

It doesn't matter if Obama cries doom and gloom or not. For some just the mere mention of his name or a glimpse of his face is enough to shatter the gloom and raise an overwhelming sense of ecstasy (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/02/27/notes022709.DTL). Mark Morford of the SF Chronicle, the guy who called Obama a "Lightworker" and an "enlightened being" is still in... or just looney as a toon. You'll just have to read for it yourself.

President Obama now admits the economy isn't really as bad as he said it was when he was trying to bumrush Congress into passing the bucket list stimulus .


"I don't think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say. Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now,"
Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think' (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96SP30G5&show_article=1)

But in Feb. he was forecasting economic Armageddon if Congress didn't give him everything he wanted immediately:
"A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe and guarantee a longer recession, a less robust recovery, and a more uncertain future."
Obama: Catastrophe coming if Congress doesn't act (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D964UGBG0&show_article=1)

Well what is it ? If it is as rosy as he now says then we really don't need to ramp up spending to turn the economy around. Was the stimulus bill passed on a lie ?

Well what is it ? If it is as rosy as he now says then we really don't need to ramp up spending to turn the economy around. Was the stimulus bill passed on a lie ?

It was the first rule of the Obama administration, "never allow a crisis to go to waste." Now that he has what he wants the fear mongering can stop... for a while... maybe. Yes it was a lie.

Here’s another lie, Obama’s budget forecast. His former Commerce nominee Gregg dressed Geithner down (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/03/12/1833945.aspx)over the numbers yesterday:


It was obvious to most Capitol Hill insiders why President Obama wanted Republican Judd Gregg as a member of his cabinet: He's one of the sharpest money-minds in Congress.

But instead of getting Gregg's counsel within the administration, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner found himself today of the receiving end of Gregg's fiscal conservative wrath.

In a hearing before the Senate Budget Committee Gregg dressed down Geithner with facts, figures, and charts. While always keeping his cool, the exchange was somewhere between a mother's scolding, a drill sergeant's questioning and an attorney's cross examination.

In his opening statement, Gregg politely called the administration's budget forecast a lie.

"The argument that it cuts the debt in half in four years is, ahh, is truly spurious," he told Geithner.

President Obama himself gives Gregg's comments a sense of stinging credibility. When the president introduced Gregg as his nominee for Commerce Secretary last month, he said Gregg is known for is fiscal discipline.

"He shares my deep-seated commitment to guaranteeing that our children inherit a future they can afford," Obama said.

Today, the president's compliment of Gregg turned into an attack on Geithner. Gregg said the budget is essentially "putting on our children's backs a debt they can never get out from underneath."

He added pointedly, "I think we're putting at risk not only our children's future, we're clearly putting at risk the value of a dollar and our ability to sell debt."

When Gregg withdrew his nomination, he said he and the administration were "functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy."

Gregg's opening monologue today would indicate that was a gross understatement.

"The argument that this budget doesn't have tax increases [on everyone] is, I think, an 'Alice in Wonderland' view of the budget," he said.

He challenged the budget's math on cutting the debt: "When you take the deficit and quadruple it and then you cut it and half, that's like taking four steps back and two steps forward. That's not making any progress; you're still going backwards."

Gregg questioned why any foreign country would continue to buy up U.S. debt: "Because if I'm in the international marketplace, and I'm looking at this budget, I'm saying to myself, ‘Where's the discipline? Where's the containment?' There isn't any."

In his withdrawal statement last month, Gregg said, "I expect there will be many issues and initiatives where I can and will work to assure the success of the president's proposals."

The budget doesn't appear to be one of them.

Seems everything about Obama is a lie, smoke and mirrors at the least…and the public is recognizing that (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html) in spite of the spin.