From Politico: "...Politico has learned that tomorrow Americans United for Change, a liberal group, will begin airing radio ads in three states Obama won — Ohio, Pennsylvania and Nevada — with a tough question aimed at the GOP senators there: Will you side with Obama or Rush Limbaugh?...
"'Every Republican voted with Limbaugh — and against creating 4 million new American jobs. We can understand why a extreme partisan like Rush Limbaugh wants President Obama’s Jobs program to fail — but the members of Congress elected to represent the citizens in their districts? That’s another matter. Now the Obama plan goes to the Senate, and the question is: Will our Senator'—here the ad is tailored by state to name George Voinovich in Ohio, Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania, and John Ensign in Nevada—'side with Rush Limbaugh too?'"
Let us remember that liberals don't need a single conservative vote if the stimulus-pork-bill gets to the floor of the senate.

Unfortunately there are enough Republicans in the Senate who are more than ready to make their reputations by how often they cross the aisle and vote with the Democrats. When the smoke clears the Dems. Will have the "bipartisan legislation" CYA when this budget increase disquised as a stimulus plan fails to improve the economy.

And in two years we can get rid of those liberals once and for all. Starting in Nevada with Harry Reid.
Remember this very clearly, The current congress under the leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi currently have an approval rating of around 8%. That should mean to every citizen of the United States that every member of congress is vulnerable and needs to be replaced as soon as possible,

And in two years we can get rid of those liberals once and for all. Starting in Nevada with Harry Reid.

As George Bush showed so very well, we can't defeat liberals by agreeing with them. Check this: "The president (Obama) has a winning political formula. Show up for all the big fights and get the rhetoric right, because the base needs the big fights and the rhetoric. If only Republicans could match this style." National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/)

McCarthy has some good points. It helps that President Obama had a compliant press that did not put Holder and Geitner on the front page for days at a time . It also helps that the conservative meme since the election (except Rush Limbaugh ) was that they had to help him succeed . The Republican standard bearer in the last election was one of the 1st to whip the ranks into line. He will lead the "gang of (fill in the number) " who will vote for this bucket list legislation because the over-hyped 'crisis' trumps partisanship.

Let us remember that liberals don't need a single conservative vote if the stimulus-pork-bill gets to the floor of the senate.Hello George:

That would be because conservatives LOST the ability make law, when their conservative economic philosophy went into the dumper along with the economy (and caused conservatives to LOSE the election - BIGTIME).

I don't know about you, but cheering for a FAILED and BANKRUPT economic policy is kind of nutty. But, what do I know?

excon

And what would've happened if candidate Obama and the Democrats had campaigned that the plan for the economy was to rapidly increase budgetary spending to the tune of over $ trillion ;fill the budget with every pork provision the Democrats can conceive and get it passed in his 1st week in office ?

My guess is that perhaps the election would've been different .

The things I heard from the Democrats and Obama was "tax cuts" for ninety something precent of Americans and ushering in a new era of fiscal responsibility .

The things I heard from the Democrats and Obama was "tax cuts" for ninety something precent of Americans and ushering in a new era of fiscal responsibility .Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap...

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

Calling the current economic mess the 'Bush depression' is nutty. Bush has been, at most, a believer of a 'mixed' economy, and certainly not a capitalist, except in name only.

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

Sorry EC you are again wrong!
President Bush had a pretty good economy throughout his entire 8 years in office, It was not until the last two years with a Democrat run congress that things went into the toilet as you say. Who has an 8% approval rating? It is the demogog let congress by the biggest spender of all nancy peliso who demands a monster personal jet to fly her home every weekend. Please wake up and smell the poo you are spewing and quit reading the newspapers. They are giving you a dark stain on your reputation

Calling the current economic mess the 'Bush depression' is nutty. Dude, you just started a thread calling all liberals nutty, you're in no position to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

And sadly it is all a lie about Rush, his comment was that if Obama was trying to make this a socialist nation, he hoped he failed, he never said he wanted the job programs to fail.

Shows how scared the libs are,

Dude, you just started a thread calling all liberals nutty, you're in no position to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

I'll just refer you to this observation about the 'Bush depression'; I mean, that would be giving him a lot of credit, or blame. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/time-americans-take-streets-308015.html

And sadly it is all a lie about Rush, his comment was that if Obama was trying to make this a socialist nation, he hoped he failed, he never said he wanted the job programs to fail.

It's no lie, you are distorting it. From his own site: Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html)


Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

Bush depression ? Lol next you'll be giving us the malaise speech .

Oh yeah I know that it serves the Obot's interest and agenda to talk down the economy. But depression ?

We have not had enough bad quarters yet to qualify a recession yet. Yes the last quarter of 2008 had negative growth of 3.8% and the 2nd quarter was down 0.5 % ;but overall 2008 still had positive GDP growth. Currently unemployment is about 7.6% ;not even approaching 1970s double digits.

By comparison during the 1930s Depression, unemployment was 25% and wages were cut in half on average for people who held jobs. . Total U.S. economic output fell from $103 to $55 billion and world fell 65% .

I guess since we haven't experienced anything except expansion since Reagan we have forgotten . But you'll know when you are in a "depression" .

And of court the othe part of the statement

"Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? "

Who is "them"? And what is wrong with liberalism?

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

What disconnect? We're disconnected for refreshing folk's memories on Obama's campaign rhetoric and promises? Gee, I've heard as recently as last week about how Bush promised bipartisanship in 2000, we can't speak of promises made a few months ago after the economy tanked?

In the final debate, just after saying "we are experiencing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression," he wanted to "provide a tax credit for every company that's creating a job right here in America." What does sodding the National Mall have to do with tax credits for businesses.

His second plan was "let's help families right away by providing them a tax cut -- a middle-class tax cut for people making less than $200,000, and let's allow them to access their IRA accounts without penalty if they're experiencing a crisis." How does millions for the arts and groups like ACORN fit that criteria?

He then emphasized again, "I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent," followed by "Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks, because they are the drivers of the economy." A billion dollars for Amtrak, is that the kind of small business he was referring to? Or how about the $600 million for purchase of federal vehicles?

He added, "And we've got to get the financial package working much quicker than it has been working." Since most of this money won't be spent until 2010 or later, how is that quicker?

And finally, this gem, "What I want to emphasize, though, is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as- you-go. Every dollar that I've proposed, I've proposed an additional cut so that it matches." Is that in this "stimulus" package?

We're not disconnected at all, we intend to hold him accountable just as you intend to still hold Bush accountable.

Sorry EC you are again wrong!
President Bush had a pretty good economy throughout his entire 8 years in office, It was not until the last two years with a Democrat run congress that things went into the toilet as you say. Who has an 8% approval rating? It is the demogog let congress by the biggest spender of all nancy peliso who demands a monster personal jet to fly her home every weekend. Please wake up and smell the poo you are spewing and quit reading the newspapers. They are giving you a dark stain on your reputation

Whatever you call economic growth during the Bush Presidency was bought on the credit card of the national debt and deficit spending. Geez...I could create jobs in my town if someone let me spend money I don't have.

The bill for the reckless spending of money we didn't have and turning a blind eye to those in the financial services sector while they lined their pockets bundling worthless paper into investment vehicles finally caught up with Bush. His only mistake is that it caught up with him 4 months too early so he couldn't blame it on the Democrats.

This vote was just the tip of the iceberg. Obama wants to recreate the RTC of the 1980s S&L days under what they are calling a "bad bank" . He's going to want the Republicans in the fold for that vote for the political cover also .

That means he will continue to invite Republicans in for Schmooze secessions like cocktails and wagyu steaks... or SuperBowl parties in the Oval office with tropical themes (80 degrees or more ) .

It is not then in his interest to have the stupids in Congress threaten the Republicans Senators over their upcoming budget vote. Time for President Obama to show madame Mimi and Harry Reid who's the boss (if he really is)

How soon people forget who is running congress and has been for the past two years. It was not until the dumbocrats took control of congress that energy prices skyrocketed, the banking mess broke loose, and the economy collapsed. Who are you going to blame next week?
Remember only 52.8% of voters elected Mr. wonderful. That is not a landslide by any stretch of the imagination.
Do any of you actually remember who was in office when inflation was double digit, and interest rates were 21%?

... dumbocrats ... Mr. wonderful:rolleyes:

Here's the transcript in context:


RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's got to say it.

Were the liberals out there hoping Bush succeeded or were they out there trying to destroy him before he was even inaugurated? Why do we have to play the game by their rules? Why do we have to accept the premise here that because of the historical nature of his presidency, that we want him to succeed? This is affirmative action, if we do that. We want to promote failure, we want to promote incompetence, we want to stand by and not object to what he's doing simply because of the color of his skin? Sorry. I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are. Well, I know, I know. I am the last man standing.

Like I've never heard ANYTHING like that in the past 8 years out of the mouths (and from the pens) of the left. What, it wasn't YOUR country you were concerned about when you wanted Bush to fail? You weren't concerned about your kids, your grand kids, your nieces and nephews when you wanted Bush to fail? It wasn't you who scoffed at the notion that we should respect the office when Bush was president? It wasn't you involved in that search-and-destroy mission back in 2000? Please, spare us the outrage, Rush is right.

Not only is he right, but time has shown that 'compassionate conservatism' is a flop. I'm afraid that Rush is too close to Bush to adequately describe the damage done to the conservative movement and the country.

Update: It seems Michael Steele has won the position as RNC chairman (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/30/rnc-chair-voting-now-underway/), which brings to mind a past incident. In 2005 when he was running for the Senate he was trashed by the left, had Oreos thrown at him, was called an "uncle Tom" and had his credit report hijacked. Democrats justified this pathetic behavior toward a qualified black candidate:


Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.

Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an “Uncle Tom” and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.

Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report — the only Republican candidate so targeted.

But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with “pointing out the obvious.”

Same goes for Rush, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious, and in an infinitely less offensive manner than the left attacked Michael Steele.

'If Republicans continue to act like Democrats they will live a long time in the political wilderness. If they rediscover their true identity and unite behind a conservative standard bearer, America may experience a second "Reagan Revolution".' When Republicans Act Like Democrats | Conservative Outpost (http://conservativeoutpost.com/when_republicans_act_democrats)

Here is how nutty liberals are...

Lisa Gladden, Maryland State Senator- It matters not if MD is broke, what matters is Obama is President…

By PUMA Pundit • January 17, 2009

The more people set Obama up as a some sort of savior, the bigger the dissapointment they are going to get.

Lisa Gladden has been in the Maryland State Senate since 2002, winning re-election in 2006, so she is not exactly a political neophyte. She is also a lawyer so she is not exactly an ignoramus.

Anyway, here is her statement in full

“It doesn't matter that the State of Maryland is broke, as long as Barack Obama is the President of the United States, it is going to be great”

Meanwhile, hours earlier, the Governor of Maryland, Martin O'Malley had notified the legislature (which Gladden is a member of) that between 500 and 1,000 state workers shall be laid off to close a $1.9 billion budget shortfall.

If it doesn't matter that the state faces a two billion dollar deficit and state employees will lose their jobs, but it matters that Barack Obama is president, then this woman has issues more complex than this article can ponder.

Incidentally, it is not that she is giddy about Barack because they are both black, she claimed “party trumps race ” when she played the race card against Michael Steel the GOP candidate for MD governor in 2005…

In this case the woman is just disconnected from reality, a trait exhibited by many an Obama follower…

“It doesn't matter that the State of Maryland is broke, as long as Barack Obama is the President of the United States, it is going to be great”

LOL, that's priceless. Absolutely insane, but priceless.

Whatever you call economic growth during the Bush Presidency was bought on the credit card of the national debt and deficit spending. Geez...I could create jobs in my town if someone let me spend money I don't have.

The bill for the reckless spending of money we didn't have and turning a blind eye to those in the financial services sector while they lined their pockets bundling worthless paper into investment vehicles finally caught up with Bush. His only mistake is that it caught up with him 4 months too early so he couldn't blame it on the Democrats.


Then you should be against this "stimulus"

Where do you think 850 billion is going to come from?

The treasury will print it as fast as they can and further devalue the dollar, which hurts us all. Hopefully it won't destabilize trust in the US, what if the Chinese start trying to cash in T bonds?


Even the AP can point out the pork :


The Associated Press: Analysis: Stimulus bill that's not all stimulating (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1My6TPNaWoH2OBg5nek-mHA7SxAD961OHA80)




There's $345 million for Agriculture Department computers, $650 million for TV converter boxes, $15 billion for college scholarships — worthy, perhaps, but not likely to put many Americans back to work quickly...


There's $1 billion to deal with Census problems and $88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building next year. The Senate would devote $2.1 billion to pay off a looming shortfall in public housing accounts, $870 million to combat the flu and $400 million to slow the spread of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases such as chlamydia








G&P

Steve

Steele was trashed mercilessly by the Schmuckster Schumer's goon squad . I look forward for his vigorous payback although I don't think he will go as far as having dumpster divers looking for opponents Social Security information.

I remember it well, tom. This should prove interesting. The Kossacks are already on the attack (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/30/192159/943):


he is just a ditto head. Nothing of but same GOP sh** pipe.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/flagcommunity/michael-steele-web.jpg


Do They Have to Copy Everything?

First it was the selection of psycho Palin, so they'd have a "woman" (term used loosely here) on the ticket, in an embarrassing attempt to to show-off to the media and prove that they too, can have a "woman" running in presidential politics. And the media ate it up with a spoon.

Now, they've "elected" this idiot Steele, so they can try to show-off to the media that they, too, can have an African-American in a senior position. And the media are eating it up with a spoon.

The Republicans coupled with the mainstream media are the most pathetic, embarrassing, neurotic, transparent, self-absorbed, moronic group of wackos in existence.

Peace.

Nice signoff, very appropriate.

The media, Obama and the Democrats are clueless... or think we are.


President Barack Obama on Saturday promised (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEx3tiPJhZQLVqjNmHR_oP6FZMuwD962DTR00) to lower mortgage costs, offer job-creating loans for small businesses, get credit flowing and rein in free-spending executives as he readies a new road map for spending billions from the second installment of the financial rescue plan...

Obama said Geithner soon would announce a new strategy "for reviving our financial system that gets credit flowing to businesses and families. We'll help lower mortgage costs and extend loans to small businesses so they can create jobs. We'll ensure that CEOs are not draining funds that should be advancing our recovery."

He said his administration "will insist on unprecedented transparency, rigorous oversight and clear accountability so taxpayers know how their money is being spent and whether it is achieving results... "

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., planned to discuss Obama's legislative agenda during a White House visit Monday evening, an administration official said.

"Rarely in history has our country faced economic problems as devastating as this crisis," the president said. "Now is the time for those of us in Washington to live up to our responsibilities."

I'm all for accountability on how business uses the bailout funds, but how about reining in free-spending politicians and demanding "unprecedented transparency, rigorous oversight and clear accountability so taxpayers know how their money is being spent and whether it is achieving results" from them for starters?

I'm all for accountability on how business uses the bailout funds, but how about reining in free-spending politicians and demanding "unprecedented transparency, rigorous oversight and clear accountability so taxpayers know how their money is being spent and whether it is achieving results" from them for starters?Hello again, Steve:

Sooooo, when the dufus and his buddy Paulson gave away $850 BILLION with NO accountability, that was OK...

But, Obama better not do that. Gosh sakes, Steve.

excon

The problem is that It is more like comparing Obama's stimulus with Bush's bailouts. N0BODY was happy with Bush's bailouts!
Republicans do not see where Obama's stimulus will create jobs and fix America.

The problem is that It is more like comparing Obama's stimulus with Bush's bailouts. N0BODY was happy with Bush's bailouts!
Republicans do not see where Obama's stimulus will create jobs and fix America.

I concur with you NoHelp.

So far the Obama's stimulus package makes no sense whatsoever as far as getting any money down to the little people, the backbone of America. But I guess the "After school snacks" and "Condoms for everyone" are for the little people as rich people don't need either. Gee, that's really nice. Give the kiddies an after school snack (of what pray tell? The Regan vegetable - ketchup?) and let everyone else have condoms so they can retire to their bedrooms (or wherever) and have sex, sex, and more sex to take their minds off this financial mess. Now that's really clever if you ask me! Bread and condoms instead of Bread and Circuses - or just about the same thing when you come down to it.

So far the stimulus plan has nothing to do with real jobs for real Americans... unless I missed something here.

If Obama starts trying to dismantle the Federal Reserve as I've read recently - look out! We'll sure have Biden as Pres sooner than I'd like to think. And I really want to go upchuck at that thought, believe me.

If Obama starts trying to dismantle the Federal Reserve as I've read recently - look out!! We'll sure have Biden as Pres sooner than I'd like to think. And I really want to go upchuck at that thought, believe me.

Interesting comment on the Federal Reserve, wasn't it the Republican - Ron Paul - who has been touting for years for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve? Isn't that a more right wing position? Yet you are against it because you heard that President Obama may be for it?

Things get more interesting every day in right wing land. Remember he did promise to be more bipartisan ;)

Hello again, Steve:

Sooooo, when the dufus and his buddy Paulson gave away $850 BILLION with NO accountability, that was ok....

But, Obama better not do that. Gosh sakes, Steve.

excon

Gosh sakes, ex, you've sure gotten testy since the Messiah's inauguration. That might have some weight to it IF I had ever approved of Bush and Paulson's giveaways. Since I didn't, I've been entirely consistent.

Gosh sakes, ex, you've sure gotten testy since the Messiah's inauguration. That might have some weight to it IF I had ever approved of Bush and Paulson's giveaways. Since I didn't, I've been entirely consistent.

Amen!

Speaking of nutty liberals, Barney Frank said congress will consider legislation that not only limits executive pay to bailout recipients but to "all U.S. companies (http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090203/REG/902039977/1003/TOC&template=printart)."

How does the federal government micromanaging ALL U.S. companies sit with you guys complaining about no government oversight? It's the government and they're here to help, right?

They've got our back, all right.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1aaaatheft.jpg

HE means to shut everyone up: "You've got some economists and some folks who think they're economists. By the way, these days everybody thinks they're economists," he joked." Obama bemoans: Everyone's an economist (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96675KG0&show_article=1)

"You've got some economists and some folks who think they're economists. By the way, these days everybody thinks they're economists," he joked.He's right of course.

He's right of course.

Thus spake the LEADER: '"These (unemployment) numbers demand action. It is inexcusable and irresponsible for any of us to get bogged down in distraction, delay or politics as usual while millions of Americans are being put out of work," Obama said bluntly. "Now is the time for Congress to act."' Damn that constitution! Damn those Senate and House rules, at least the ones we can't overlook!

Thus spake the LEADER:"spake"? Isn't that old English Bible talk? You are a prophet for Obama? Is this what Jesus would do?

I think he meant "thus saith the One." I don't know what Jesus has to do with this but it doesn't take a prophet to copy and paste Obama's own words (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy).

My favorite word he uses is "irreversible " . He says unless the bucketlist is passed the recession might prove irreversible (more politics of fear).What is that supposed to mean ? Even the Great Depression was reversible .

What he means is that once he expands govt. spending it will be almost irreversible . The Dems will never shrink the size of gvt on their own accord.

It's the same demagogery being spun by the radical global environmentalists.

I think he meant "thus saith the One." I don't know what Jesus has to do with this but it doesn't take a prophet to copy and paste Obama's own words (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy).
I checked your link and at no point do they say "thus saith the One" which sounds like someone reading from some old religious book. Where did you get that from?

I checked your link and at no point do they say "thus saith the One" which sounds like someone reading from some old religious book. Where did you get that from?

Think about it NK. You're sharp enough to figure it out.

And as of this morning, the stimulus package, all one trillion dollars of it has only a 38% approval rating of the people and Mr nobama has slipped to 61%
We'll talk again when he hits 35%

Speaking of nutty liberals, Barney Frank said congress will consider legislation that not only limits executive pay to bailout recipients but to "all U.S. companies (http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090203/REG/902039977/1003/TOC&template=printart)."

How does the federal government micromanaging ALL U.S. companies sit with you guys complaining about no government oversight? It's the government and they're here to help, right?

I wonder what the supposed libertarians think of this?

When will they get to pro - athelete or actor / actresses, or TV star [ oprah? ] salaries.

Remember, all you folks waiting for the politicians to save you, they know best and they know and want to control how much you make.





G&P

I wonder, really, who Obama thinks will eventually pay this incomprehensible amount of money.

Judging by his recent appointments, the Democrats DON'T BELIEVE IN PAYING TAXES!!

Let us remember that liberals don't need a single conservative vote if the stimulus-pork-bill gets to the floor of the senate.


Forty-two percent of the stimulus includes tax cuts. Now you'd think that would make the Pubs happy, but not so. What they want to do is argue and fight and continue to show total disregard for the middle and lower classes, which by the way, have been suffering the most for the past eight years. McCain is so lost on the Senate floor that he is often befuddled, confused, and Cheney like. G-d help the U.S. if we continue to elect these old uneducated goats.

There is less infrastructure spending on this bill than was used in Boston's Big Dig.

Leave it to the Senate to come up with a" bipartisan compromise " where they claim they trimmed $50 billion from the legistation and it still costs more than the bill that came out of the House . The "deliberative body" at it's best!!

This site breaks down some of the projects ;their costs ,and how stimulating they will be regarding job creation.
Stimulus Watch: Keeping an Eye on Economic Recovery Spending (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/)

As you can see there is plenty of room for trimming garbage out of it. There is a rush to get this done so Obama can have a photo-op signing it on Lincoln's birthday.That is a poor rational for passing bad legislation .

The lies about the urgency have got to go. Most of the provisions in the bill should be added and debated in the regular omnibus spending legislation. Get the pork out of the bill and I will have no trouble supporting it.

I don't see where it will stimulate any economy or anything.
It looks like it mainly helps people working for the government jobs.
I don't see where it creates jobs for the average unemployed people.
I heard that much of the money will also go to George Sorros ACCORN,
The National Endowment for the Arts, STD education, food stamps,

I agree with Galveston this will backfire when it has to be funded.
I heard New York had to lay off 14,000 school teachers in order to compensate for their 'overspending'
Where is the money going to come from in the long run without hurting the economy in other areas?
It is worse than robbing Peter to pay Paul!

Forty-two percent of the stimulus includes tax cuts. Now you'd think that would make the Pubs happy, but not so. What they want to do is argue and fight and continue to show total disregard for the middle and lower classes, which by the way, have been suffering the most for the past eight years. McCain is so lost on the Senate floor that he is often befuddled, confused, and Cheney like. G-d help the U.S. if we continue to elect these old uneducated goats.

Um, doorbells (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/view/8982)?

Um, doorbells (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/view/8982)?


The DEMS have to nurse the PUBS into acceptance. That's not an easy task. They were Bushed for the past eight years and are now showing signs of failure dependency. I mean the PUBS balked at newer bridges and renovations to historic sites, any meaningful infrastructure, so hey! now the elderly will have a bell to ring every time an angel gets his wings. ;)

The DEMS have to nurse the PUBS into acceptance. That's not an easy task. They were Bushed for the past eight years and are now showing signs of failure dependency. I mean the PUBS balked at newer bridges and renovations to historic sites, any meaningful infrastructure, so hey!, now the elderly will have a bell to ring every time an angel gets his wings. ;)

"Nursing" my arse, this bill is crap.

Today on Quinn & Rose they were talking about something even more scary hidden in the stimulus. They said that hidden in the "free" medical plan is a grid that determines IF THEY feel somebody should receive things like surgical procedures. If THEY feel that the amount outweighs your life expectancy then you do not qualify for the operation.

"Nursing" my arse, this bill is crap.


A lot of bills are crap. Welcome to America. Greasing somebody's palm shouldn't be any surprise. I suspect you saw the last five seconds before halftime of the Super Bowl. Anytime loads of lettuce is involved things can happen. The PUBS do so for top percentage wage earners and the DEMS will throw money at anything. There's no revelation here.

A lot of bills are crap. Welcome to America. Greasing somebody's palm shouldn't be any surprise. I suspect you saw the last five seconds before halftime of the Super Bowl. Anytime loads of lettuce is involved things can happen. The PUBS do so for top percentage wage earners and the DEMS will throw money at anything. There's no revelation here.

So you're FOR the crap. That's no revelation either, Bobby.

Speaking of feces: "Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report."
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations - HUMAN EVENTS (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30667)

Hello George:

It was Obama who talked about bi-partisanship - not the congress. I know, it's a drag to be shut out...

But, your presidential candidate, John McCain, admitted on camera that shutting out the opposition WAS the way THEY did it when THEY were in control. And, of course, that's exactly what they DID. So, you'll excuse me if I don't take your wounded outrage too seriously...

But, I reiterate... That lefty Pelosi never promised bi-partisanship, and she ain't delivering it either...

Like I said, being shut out sucks... Maybe if you had won enough votes to make your party MATTER, but you didn't, did you?

excon

So you're FOR the crap. That's no revelation either, Bobby.


Stephen B. Quickdraw, your so fast to react off the cuff. Your wife deserves a gold medal for having the patience to put up with your bloated heat. Most of the adult voting public already knows the stimulus package needs to focus on meat and cut the fat! Especially the bad cholestrol fat, example: doorbell bills. The fact is though we need to stimulate the economy, or suffer the consequnces by passively watching more people head to the unemployment line. I recognize WE are going to get some fat, both from the Pubs and Dems, just with a different approach of excuses that will effect certain classes. At times your way to narrow minded for me, nothing personal though.

Stephen B. Quickdraw, your so fast to react off the cuff. Your wife deserves a gold medal for having the patience to put up with your bloated heat.

Bobby, leave my wife out of this. Perhaps if I hadn't been familiar with your politics already it might be "off the cuff," but since I am familiar I find it fascinating that you would be so willing to justify whatever crap the Dems throw our way. I'm sure if this crap were coming from Bush your tone would be entirely different. I on the other hand am not willing to just throw up my arms and say "oh, what the hell, we're going to crap anyway so let's bring on the Generational Theft Act of 2009." I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.

Please name just one example where government has EVER been able to stimulate anything? Except maybe it's own over inflated ego.
If the government really really wanted to stimulate the economy, why not cut taxes for a year? Or how about getting out of the way of business so they could actually conduct business?
Whether people ant to admit or not, it was tax cuts that got us out of the last mess that the carter administration got us into. Yes, both sides have equal blame for the mess we are in now. It was not just one man, it was the entire Congress, BOTH HOUSES made this mess, and now they are ramming more of the same down the throats of us all. Who is going to pay for this? Our children and their children sadly.

Stimulus? Provide funds for banks to lend? What if Obama and crew have yelled "wolf" so loudly and long that potential home buyers are AFRAID to buy at this time? How do you correct this? The increase in unemployment began just after the election. The left has scared too many people into survival mode. Of course, those on the public dole are not scared. Probably because they do not understand!

Bobby, leave my wife out of this. Perhaps if I hadn't been familiar with your politics already it might be "off the cuff," but since I am familiar I find it fascinating that you would be so willing to justify whatever crap the Dems throw our way. I'm sure if this crap were coming from Bush your tone would be entirely different. I on the other hand am not willing to just throw up my arms and say "oh, what the hell, we're going to crap anyway so let's bring on the Generational Theft Act of 2009." I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.


Mr. Hot-Head, she has to live with you, I don't. You're not going to cut all the fat on the Hill, they simply see it as negotiations, although regardles that it's at our expense. I'm speaking about both parties. BTW theft didn't bother you enough to stop voting for Bush, TWICE! And YES, at times, you are narrow minded.

Mr. Hot-Head, she has to live with you, I don't. You're not going to cut all the fat on the Hill, they simply see it as negotiations, although regardles that it's at our expense. I'm speaking about both parties. BTW theft didn't bother you enough to stop voting for Bush, TWICE! And YES, at times, you are narrow minded.

Call me (incorrectly as it is) what you like, but I don't drag your family into this so leave my wife out of it. Nobody said "cut all the fat," but I know a horrible bill when I see one and this is about as horrible as they come. Considering the alternative, I no qualms about my votes... especially seeing how the Dems are screwing things up so badly so quickly.

Call me (incorrectly as it is) what you like, but I don't drag your family into this so leave my wife out of it. Nobody said "cut all the fat," but I know a horrible bill when I see one and this is about as horrible as they come. Considering the alternative, I no qualms about my votes...especially seeing how the Dems are screwing things up so badly so quickly.


Screwed up what so quickly? If you're trying to make a case for the PUBS to return to power with the many seats they've lost, forget it. I'm still laughing at their stubbornness and demise. If anything they will continue to wallow in their uneducated drivel, their unhealthy biases, and then sink even further. The pendulum is swinging the other direction and not necessarily to my satisfaction either. But I find it very typical of you and few others to gum the board to death without any provocative solutions.

Screwed up what so quickly?! If you're trying to make a case for the PUBS to return to power with the many seats they've lost, forget it. I'm still laughing at their stubbornness and demise. If anything they will continue to wallow in their uneducated drivel, their unhealthy biases, and then sink even further. The pendulum is swinging the other direction and not necessarily to my satisfaction either. But I find it very typical of you and few others to gum the board to death without any provocative solutions.

I guess you missed this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/another-unpatriotic-democrat-according-bidens-definition-312404-5.html#post1542759). The public thinks random people picked out of a phone book could do a better job on the economy than this congress, so you be the big man and convince them how great a job they're doing and how wonderful this "provocative" spending bill is.

I guess you missed this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/another-unpatriotic-democrat-according-bidens-definition-312404-5.html#post1542759). The public thinks random people picked out of a phone book could do a better job on the economy than this congress, so you be the big man and convince them how great a job they're doing and how wonderful this "provocative" spending bill is.


And where was your solution?? Are you really this boring all the time? Please! If I could send had sent Pelosi and GW Bush on a one way ticket into deep space, I'd done so years ago. In fact it should be a large enough shuttle to accommodate most of the DEM and PUB elected congress.

And of court the othe part of the statement

"Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? "

WHAT?? :confused:

Gee Bobby, I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution? That makes as much sense as asking this congress, Obama, his tax cheats and those administration officials that were laughed at (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/geithner-incompetent-316057.html#post1542369) to come up with a solution. Would you want your plumber to do your next colonoscopy? I’m guessing not because even though you aren’t a gastroenterologist you probably know that wouldn’t be a good idea. I may not be an economist but I know a truly horrible “solution” when I see one.

Gee Bobby, I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution? I may not be an economist but I know a truly horrible “solution” when I see one.

NO you don't. You voted for GW Bush a second time. And you voted for John McCain even after the senile old windbag admitted that economics was not his strong suit.

NO you don't. You voted for GW Bush a second time. And you voted for John McCain even after the senile old windbag admitted that economics was not his strong suit.

If you'd pull your head out for a minute you might actually be able to comprehend. I never claimed Bush or McCain were the solution to anything. In fact, unlike the clueless Democrat constituency that's so blindly in love with Obama I don't put ANY hope in government. But they did and this is the pathetic mess they're getting for it and they deserve it... but the rest of us don't and our kids and grandkids certainly don't deserve to have their future stolen from them by these idiots running the show now. Time will tell the story, and I fully expect to be vindicated for my opposition to this "stimulus" package.

Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."

Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."

Sadly, it seems that the same people who's positions don't change keep arguing over and over again. At times I wonder why I spend my energy here (and I expend much less than most in the political topics).

I would like to say, in the narrow window of my time at this site I have found that Speech is one of the few who can actually articulate, understand and even empathize with his opponents position while arguing what he thinks is right. As for the parroting, we all do it to some degree as our respective media information sources fill the dead space between the facts with opinion that we aren't always immune from.

I would like to say though that I finally get how disappointed and upset Bush supporters have been over the attacks on him; whether they were deserved or not, and I have been a harsh Bush critic. Now that my candidate is President, it's not easy to see him attacked by his opponents. I suppose some of the K'vetching on the part of the now loyal opposition is in part payback for the rough ride Bush had.

Anyway, most people need a place to get their thoughts out; what good are they doing if they are kept bottled up in your head... :D (I think we all hope that with enough talk we will change some minds; maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday; in part to affirm ourselves and to be able to say I told you so to one more person. The ego, such a greedy little bugger... lol.

Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."

LOL, seems you've become so enamored with insulting me in the past year that you don't actually know what I've said, like this extremely partisan, biased thought just a few posts ago...


I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/liberals-really-nutty-already-310651-7.html#post1542418), but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.

The world has definitely been turned upside down when opposing nonsense from either party is partisan and biased. It's especially interesting to see ardent Bush, McCain and "anyone who may have voted for them" bashers complain of the "k'vetching" around here. But if it all bores you then no one is asking you to stick around, we'll do just fine in keeping up the tradition of holding the powers that be accountable without you.

And by the way, I didn't realize my ability to form my own opinion of an awful spending bill and use the word "vindication" without assistance was "parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency." I know guys like you don't believe we're able to think for ourselves but I am, and I do give credit where credit is due.

P.S. Thanks again Tex, people such as yourself make it a pleasure to be around here.

Seems to me that the bipartisan reaction to the President's overall performance to date ;including the Geithner poor performance is generally negative.

Take Howard Kurtz from the Washington Compost.
Howard Kurtz - Vote of No Confidence - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/11/AR2009021100922.html)
He has quotes from different sources ,many who are supportive of the President ,who suggest a certain skepticism about his plan's possible effect.

According to Kurtz ,the markets, nor the Left or Right like it. But we are apparently not permitted to voice our concerns. We should shut up because he "won" .
I don't think so.

Seems to me that the bipartisan reaction to the President's overall performance to date ;including the Geithner poor performance is generally negative.

It's funny, but I seem to recall an awful lot of howling about the public's disenchantment with the Iraq war and Bush himself as being a reason we should submit to the majority opinion. Yet under Obama the public's opinion doesn't matter. The winds sure shift suddenly.


According to Kurtz ,the markets, nor the Left or Right like it. But we are apparently not permitted to voice our concerns. We should shut up because he "won" .
I don't think so.

Everybody is in favour of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people’s idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. -Winston Churchill

Oh darn, Retail sales rebounded unexpectedly in January (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29158095/).


"The January report shows strong increases in sales of automobiles and in general merchandise stores... January's increase in retail sales was the biggest since November 2007.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast January retail sales to fall by 0.8 percent. Excluding motor vehicles, sales had been predicted to drop by 0.5 percent."

Let the spin begin...

Let the spin begin...Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didn't even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

excon

Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didnt even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

That was good, lol. The shame is I'm sure some will actually believe that :D

Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didnt even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

excon


Yet, within five minutes of the opening bell the stock market has dropped over 150 points today! YUP! Sure is a lot of confidence that the pork bill will do anything other than prolong the recession, likely make it deeper, and grow government bigger than it already is

Maybe Too Little, Always Too Late (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23bartlett.html?_r=1)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/23/opinion/23opchart.600.jpg

By BRUCE BARTLETT
Published: January 23, 2008

The history of anti-recession efforts is that they are almost always initiated too late to do any good. This chart, based on recession timelines from the National Bureau of Economic Research, shows the enactment of stimulus plans is a fairly accurate indicator that we have hit the bottom of the business cycle, meaning the economy will improve even if the government does nothing. — Bruce Bartlett, author of “Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But as Rahmbo says, you can't waste a good crisis.

Down more ? I have to admit ;these buying opportunities are becoming tempting.

down more ? I have to admit ;these buying opportunities are becoming tempting.

And with that extra $13 think of all you can buy.

Roflmao

Sadly, it seems that the same people who's positions don't change keep arguing over and over again. At times I wonder why I spend my energy here (and I expend much less than most in the political topics).


For myself, it's an extra of vacation day, and it's relatively cheap.


I would like to say, in the narrow window of my time at this site I have found that Speech is one of the few who can actually articulate, understand and even empathize with his opponents position while arguing what he thinks is right. As for the parroting, we all do it to some degree as our respective media information sources fill the dead space between the facts with opinion that we aren't always immune from.

TP, nothing personal, but while I agree with you in part, I'm just not as easily amused.



I would like to say though that I finally get how disappointed and upset Bush supporters have been over the attacks on him; whether they were deserved or not, and I have been a harsh Bush critic. Now that my candidate is President, it's not easy to see him attacked by his opponents. I suppose some of the K'vetching on the part of the now loyal opposition is in part payback for the rough ride Bush had.


Yes! They are in their own little world of partisan politics. People in the unemployment just want work. People at the soup kitchen just want to eat. As a registered Independent I can be the harshest critic of Obama, and I voted for him. However he just got into office three weeks ago with a huge catastrophe to sort through.


Anyway, most people need a place to get their thoughts out; what good are they doing if they are kept bottled up in your head...:D (I think we all hope that with enough talk we will change some minds; maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday; in part to affirm ourselves and to be able to say I told you so to one more person. The ego, such a greedy little bugger....lol.

Bullseye! If this site starts awarding checks based on egos they'll need government assistance, a bailout plan, or go broke.





The world has definitely been turned upside down when opposing nonsense from either party is partisan and biased. It's especially interesting to see ardent Bush, McCain and "anyone who may have voted for them" bashers complain of the "k'vetching" around here. But if it all bores you then no one is asking you to stick around, we'll do just fine in keeping up the tradition of holding the powers that be accountable without you.


I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution?

Because otherwise you have no tangible credibility. And BTW accountability starts with ones own person. Personally I find it difficult to be highly critical of a situation, or decision, if in return I don't offer an alternative solution. We (the public) wouldn't even do that with our on children.

Yes! They are in their own little world of partisan politics. People in the unemployment just want work. People at the soup kitchen just want to eat. As a registered Independent I can be the harshest critic of Obama, and I voted for him. However he just got into office three weeks ago with a huge catastrophe to sort through.

LOL, you crack me up Bobby. It's as if we should just chuck our beliefs aside and accept that partisanship is OK as long as it's tilted your direction.


Bullseye! If this site starts awarding checks based on egos they'll need government assistance, a bailout plan, or go broke.

Expecting the first check are you?


Because otherwise you have no tangible credibility.

I see, even though I'm not an expert in economics my putting forth a solution will give me "tangible credibility." The fact that your plumber knows how to use a snake gives him enough "tangible credibility" to perform your colonoscopy, too. It's odd that in your world refraining from offering a solution to things one is not an expert in means a loss of credibility. Most people see that as a virtue.

I have no doubt if I did offer a solution you'd howl about my not being an expert, so in your mind you win either way. I'll ask management here to get another check ready for you.


And BTW accountability starts with ones own person. Personally I find it difficult to be highly critical of a situation, or decision, if in return I don't offer an alternative solution. We (the public) wouldn't even do that with our on children.

Good for you. I don't find it difficult at all to have and express an opinion on a current events board. I'll take full responsibility for every one of them, good, bad or anywhere in between. Now that's accountability.

How about a little perspective from the experts:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_djgssszshgM/SZPopHu6GEI/AAAAAAAAAzg/R5LBzirmy4s/s1600/budget%2Bdeficit.gif

How about a little perspective from the experts:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_djgssszshgM/SZPopHu6GEI/AAAAAAAAAzg/R5LBzirmy4s/s1600/budget%2Bdeficit.gif

Not accessible...

I see, even though I'm not an expert in economics my putting forth a solution will give me "tangible credibility." The fact that your plumber knows how to use a snake gives him enough "tangible credibility" to perform your colonoscopy, too. It's odd that in your world refraining from offering a solution to things one is not an expert in means a loss of credibility. Most people see that as a virtue.

I have no doubt if I did offer a solution you'd howl about my not being an expert, so in your mind you win either way. I'll ask management here to get another check ready for you.

Good for you. I don't find it difficult at all to have and express an opinion on a current events board. I'll take full responsibility for every one of them, good, bad or anywhere in between. Now that's accountability.


Stevie-

For one, you confused virtue for ignorance. As for the rest, that was a premature mess of non correlated gibberish mixed with poor excuses.

Stevie-

For one, you confused virtue for ignorance. As for the rest, that was a premature mess of non correlated gibberish mixed with poor excuses.

Bobby, you really should stop listening to those voices inside your head.

Not accessible....

It wasn’t meant to be accessible, George, it’s rather self-explanatory.

Bobby, you really should stop listening to those voices inside your head.

That's your religion, not mine.

I think the OP points out a truth; that is, the Left will never be happy until ALL voices of opposition are silenced. This is the approach of totalitarian governments, and we should be very afraid of that.
Not being an expert, I am forced to rely on my own observations for my own opinions.
Right now, I'm wavering between two opinions about Obama.
He is either evil with a definite totalatarilan agenda or he is a dangerous buffoon.
I kind of lean toward the latter though.
Hey, don't unload on me here. My opinion is just as valid as yours is.

That's your religion, not mine.

Wow, attacking my religion now. I bet you consider that a virtue.

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

Yeah, but it isn't nearly as juvenile as Congress' behavior.

Wow, attacking my religion now. I bet you consider that a virtue.


It factually came from the Christians New Testament.

It factually came from the Christians New Testament.

You'll have to be more specific. You mean something like in Joel, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions"?

Or say in Numbers, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream"?

Yeah, but it isn't nearly as juvenile as Congress' behavior.

I beg to differ

You'll have to be more specific. You mean something like in Joel, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions"?

Or say in Numbers, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream"?





Those two stories from the Tanakh had nothing to do with schizophrenic / paranoia / demonology. The story of "Legion" is from your New Testament books; Mark and Luke. You didn't know that??

Those two stories from the Tanakh had nothing to do with schizophrenic / paranoia / demonology. The story of "Legion" is from your New Testament books; Mark and Luke. You didn't know that???

I see, you mean like the evil spirit or madness that troubled Saul.

I see, you mean like the evil spirit or madness that troubled Saul.


No. That was one spirit, not "voices." Voices as your referred to is plural. Lucky for you my vacation ends today. The lady earlier mentioned bullying earlier and I can see why she said such. Give it a rest, Stevie.

"Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted on Thursday that none of his Senate colleagues would "have the chance" to read the entire final version of the $790-billion stimulus bill before the bill comes up for a final vote in Congress." CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote (http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43478)

No. That was one spirit, not "voices." Voices as your referred to is plural. Lucky for you my vacation ends today. The lady earlier mentioned bullying earlier and I can see why she said such. Give it a rest, Stevie.

LOL, so claiming that mental illness is a phenomenon whose origins are in Christianity isn't bullying. It's a shame Bobby, I'm certain she was talking to you, too.

George betch you Lousyberg still votes for it.

You're insecure. Give it rest, Stevie.

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

My view is that 'politics' is, actually, 'civil' warfare, the arena where ideas become law. Politics is entertaining and consequential, and we should strive to maintain levity and a sense of humor. Dems want Pubs to fail, and vice versa. It doesn't mean we should restrain our search for truth and justice.
Check this: "What Judd Gregg showed today is that he's not willing to swap his integrity for a place in the Cabinet. When the administration insisted on gutting Commerce Department supervision of the Census and putting it under direct White House political control, it stung Gregg. And when the administration set aside its own principles of "temporary, targeted and timely" stimulus measures to embrace a big spending measure full of programs that Gregg has opposed since coming to Congress, New Hampshire's senior senator realized that he was window dressing and that the administration had a greater interest in grabbing his Senate seat in 2010 than in listening to his counsel today." washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/12/AR2009021203232.html?hpid=opinionsbox1) I find this entertaining, for the most part.