We have been married for almost 20 years. Our sex life has only been so so for all of them. I have had what I would call good sex with women before her so unfortunately I know what I am missing.

Sex with her is always about her and never just about me. We spend 20 minutes bringing her to orgasm with various uncomfortable positions. By the time she is done I am ready to explode so I get to do what makes me happy for the remaining 30 seconds. If she doesn't orgasm after 20 minutes or more she becomes very frustrated and then just lies there "allowing" me to finish.

Needles to say, we have NEVER had a quickie or anything spontaneous as this may result in us having to be quick about it and her not orgasming.

I am very giving in bed and always want to make sure my partner is satisfied even at my own expense. I guess I just expect the same every once in a while.

Is it too much to ask that sex be all about me every once in a while?

Here is another good example that I dwell on constantly. Years back, I asked for a BJ while I was driving. She fondled me for 45 minutes or more but no BJ. I eventually worked up the courage to ask if it was going to happen and her response was "what about me" Well, I had two choices. Pull over and have our usual crappy sex or put up with a raging erection for the rest of the trip. I pulled over and was finished in about 2 seconds which really upset her and we didn't speak the rest of the trip.

We have talked about this a dozen times or so over the last 20 years and each conversation ends with her saying she understand but nothing changes.

What to do?

Try a 69 you will both get pleasure out of that, take in turns going on top(my boyfriend says the same thing as you so you are not alone LOL) hope this helps. Good luck

THere are lots of different positions... you can try them and find what works better for both of you.

I think you both need to talk a lot more... not argue, not accuse but talk.

It doesn't really HAVE to be about either of you, it should be more about both of you.

Sounds to me like this is an issue that has been boiling in the back of your mind for a really long time. Get over it! Maybe you need to get some professional help to help you deal with this. Sex in a happy and loving relationship is not the most important thing in the world.

I would send her a link to this post. She will probably get it then. You were very clear about how your feeling in this post. Have you ever spoken to her about this with so much detail? Let her know you are not satisfied with sex. Just tell her what you want and if it doesn't start happening keep it in your pants. If she can't and isn't willing please you she doenst deserve to have sex with you. Just masterbate until she's willing to put some effort into your sex life. Some sex workshops for married couples in your area might be a great idea to spice up your sex life.

Maybe if you write it down, exactly how you feel as you've done here. I'd probably leave out the BJ story as it may come across as blaming although I understand that you were trying to illustrate a point, and show it to her.

Sometimes when emotions are right there in front of us in black and white it is easier to let them take their full toll and meaning.

Maybe..

Thanks for all the replies. Some good suggestions. I have spoken to here in excruciating detail and included the BJ story as an illustration. I am never accusatory or angry when we speak.

One more thing that really confuses me is she is so giving in every other aspect of our life. She worries that I won't like a dinner that she has selected, or that her part of the housework is up to par for me. She will go out of her way to make sure gifts on special occasions are just what I was looking for. I have told her time and time again that those things aren't at all as important as a satisfying sexual experience once in a while and still nothing.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughts and suggestions.

BTW, I have been to see a couple of different therapist over the years working through some of my issues as well.

I think the key is finding the right tone and words that she might respond to. Everyone is more responsive when asked just the right way.

I don't believe she is a bad person at heart... its all a matter of getting her to see this one thing from a different perspective.

She actually sounds like my wife in some respects. What is her background? Was she raised in a repressive religious home?

I think the key is finding the right tone and words that she might respond to. Everyone is more responsive when asked just the right way.

I don't believe she is a bad person at heart....its all a matter of getting her to see this one thing from a different perspective.

Yeh I agree. Although I'm assuming during 20 years of marriage, you've nevertheless considered every possible tactic, tone and approach you can and more than anybody here could ever suggest in a thread.

Have you suggested counselling? Maybe because she's only heard it from you for all these years, she fails to take it seriously any more. Perhaps hearing it from another person, and a different perspective, especially a professional one, would help her to understand.

I know some people aren't that willing to want to talk about their personal business and perhaps she is too proud, but (I know it's a cliché and easy to say, but it's true) if she loves you, she should try to meet you halfway with a view to a resolution. Because what she's doing right now is a bit selfish.

Obvious question I know, but have you made it clear how serious this problem is for you and how much it affects you? Because the problem may be that she doesn't even think there's much of a problem.

Yeh I agree. Although I'm assuming during 20 years of marriage, you've nevertheless considered every possible tactic, tone and approach you can and more than anybody here could ever suggest in a thread.

Have you suggested counselling? Maybe because she's only heard it from you for all these years, she fails to take it seriously any more. Perhaps hearing it from another person, and a different perspective, especially a professional one, would help her to understand.

I know some people aren't that willing to want to talk about their personal business and perhaps she is too proud, but (I know it's a cliché and easy to say, but it's true) if she loves you, she should try to meet you halfway with a view to a resolution. Because what she's doing right now is a bit selfish.

Obvious question I know, but have you made it clear how serious this problem is for you and how much it affects you? Because the problem may be that she doesn't even think there's much of a problem.

Its hard to get specific on WHAT to say and HOW to say it because there are so many variables. What might be the ticket for one woman might send another over the edge, etc... everyone has their buttons, the good ones and the bad ones. Only the husband if he has been observant over the years will know what she responds well to and how it should be presented. We have to assume he has, but sadly all too many guys don't, just as too many women don't as well. That's why so many end up divorced.

You have to find a day she is in really good spirits, and find a tone and words she can't take offense to that she steers herself into the conclusion you wish and not push her to it where she will get defensive.

Delicate thing there and it takes the intimate knowledge of a spouse all married couples should have developed.

The thing is this: It is NOT a problem for her. At all.

So she can't see why it's a problem for you.

No matter how often you try to explain it to her, she isn't going to get it, because it's not HER problem.

So... either convince her to get counseling with you, or make it HER problem too. Every time something is just about her, refuse to give in to making it JUST about her again until it's just about YOU in exchange.

Jees Synnen,

That's lovely but not necessarily a bad idea!! :)

I sounds to me like hidden(or not so hidden) resentments on both sides are making for a bad sexual atmosphere. Passionless and mechanical.

If you two don't have tender feelings for each other somewhere, but instead relate from the emotion of anger, in my opinion, just quit the unpleasantness. It sounds depressing to me.

You all are not going to live forever.

I say get some couple's counselling to get back "that loving feeling"... if not, make an agreement to have a sexless. But friendly, marriage... and each get better sex elsewhere.

How often do you have sexual relations? My boyfriend is so offended about the times he wants sex to be "just about him". It's not that the fact bothers me as much as we only have time and energy for one another once, possibly twice a week, so if it's only about him then I am waiting that much longer to be satisfied and it seems very selfish on his part.

Our solution is to ensure that we are active enough that when he asks for a session that is exclusively about him there will be a time that I will be taken care of with him in the very near future so that it's not just that much longer I have to wait for our next encounter. Even a quickie can get a woman worked up and its not fair to work her up and tell her oh well either. You have to make it pleasurable for the both of you.

Maybe she feels inadequate and is afraid that she won't pleasure you in the way you want. Since you stated she is so giving and caring in other respects. I can understand the BJ story. Not all women enjoy performing oral sex on a man. However, could you possibly inch her in the direction you want to go by giving her some nighty that you would want to see her in? If she wears it, go on and on about how happy that made you. Write her a kinky letter and ask her to act it out with you. In the mean time... has there been some cheating issues?

I may want to say that I've been married for 17 years... and dated for quite a few years before that.

I've never felt a need for the act with a woman to be "about me" . If you want it to be about YOU then go maturbate.

I am very sorry that your marriage has suffered because of this. It is difficult posting your problems on here, let alone with some of the replies people give you.

Sex is important, no matter what some people say. From the sounds of things, she does love you because of the evidence of the things she does for you. So you can take comfort knowing it is a lust issue, not a love issue.

Perhaps nothing has changed because she doesn't know what it feels like. Have you thought of treating her to some of her medicine (not vengefully, but educationally)? Maybe for a few weeks you can either refrain from sex, or maybe you can have your pleasure without thinking of her too much.

When something erupts from her, frustration or a complaint, you can gently point out that it has been that way for you for 20 years. Make sure she knows its not revenge.

Sex is about the two of you, not "her" or "me". I know it's a complicated issue, and thanks for sharing.

Were the two of you having sex before the two of you got married? If so, then maybe you would've known she was a selfish lover.

I must admit that sex isn't everything in a married but it does count and as you stated you always been the giver in this department so if she doesn't want to take the necessary steps to satisfy you, I don't think she'll ever change. Especially if she doesn't want a third party to interne or isn't paying attention to your concerns on this issue.

I'm wondering about a couple of things.

If she is an otherwise loving, loyal, agreeable, fun loving, healthy, normal female, her expertise, or lack of, isn't a reason to fault her for not satisfying you.

If you had not been as experienced as you said you were before marriage, and knew what better sex was, there wouldn't be a problem right? You would not be expecting more, in other words, if you've never had it better than what is is now.

If you have a good relationship otherwise, address the issue. It's bothering you, and needs to come to some sort of resolve, it is no less important than any other problem that puts a wedge between couples.

Suggest sex therapy. Buy books. Get some good movies, magazines, research off the net. Provide some framework that may lead to a more satisfying sex life- for both of you.

Perhaps she too had better lovers? Maybe there is improvement to be made on both sides of the coin.

Oh Boy can I empathize with your situation but its only been 8 months for me. 20 years?? My God man you deserve a purple heart.

I just think not enough people are exposed to good sex. So they repeat the same maladaptive sexual behavior in their relationships. I never understood the concept "its all about ME sex" but its well known phenomena. The guy gets off not satisfiying the woman and the woman finishes while he's in the shower... or its just accepted that if you don't get off in a certain period then that's your tough luck. Sex is not a shared event. It just seems like a selfish act. I'm currently in a similar relationship and very frustrated. Like you I have been in great sexual relationships in the past.

In order to have great sex both parties must be flexible and giving. It sounds like your wife has had this selfish behavior for 20 years. Its going to be rather hard to break the habit now. Maybe you just need to give up sex all together for it to hit home or seek counseling.

I think I'm confused. How does her wanting to orgasm every time make her selfish? Unless there are times where sex is literally all about her, and you don't climax, I don't see how it is being selfish that she feels you should both climax when you have sex. Because it takes her longer? That's what foreplay is for.

[QUOTE=logicalthinker;1597621]I think I'm confused. How does her wanting to orgasm every time make her selfish? Unless there are times where sex is literally all about her, and you don't climax, I don't see how it is being selfish that she feels you should both climax when you have sex. Because it takes her longer? That's what foreplay is for.[/QUOTE

I think the point he is making is that if the focus is always on her to have an orgasm and she doesn't care if her partner gets an orgasm or is satisfied... that is very selfish. Its great if they both climax together but I don't think according to author she even cares about that. I think he said something about he has 30 seconds to get off her after she orgasms... while she lies there like a fish. Hardly a picture of a person who is enthusiastic about the needs of her partner. One would hope after she orgasms,. she helps him to climax. Either give him BJ, fondle him so that he can climax or orgasm.

I think the point he is making is that if the focus is always on her to have an orgasm and she doesn't care if her partner gets an orgasm or is satisfied....that is very selfish. Its great if they both climax together but I don't think according to author she even cares about that. I think he said something about he has 30 seconds to get off her after she orgasms ...while she lies there like a fish. Hardly a picture of a person who is enthusiastic about the needs of her partner. One would hope after she orgasms, ...she helps him to climax. Either give him BJ, fondle him so that he can climax or orgasm.
That's the way I read it as well. She ONLY cares about HER getting off. She can't be bothered unless she does... and once she does she can't be bothered to see him though it either.

We spend 20 minutes bringing her to orgasm with various uncomfortable positions. By the time she is done i am ready to explode so i get to do what makes me happy for the remaining 30 seconds.

She always allows him to finish, she just want sex to bring her to orgasm as well, not just be all about him.

If she isn't able to orgasm, then she just lays there like a fish until he does, but he is orgasming every time.

She always allows him to finish, she just want sex to bring her to orgasm as well, not just be all about him.

If she isn't able to orgasm, then she just lays there like a fish til he does, but he is orgasming every time.See, therein lies the problem... laying there like a fish.

She's being passive-agressive about it.

Your problem screams out for couples counseling. While twenty minutes is not a long time for a woman to orgasm, her lack of enthusiasm and unwillingness to offer you a "no strings attached" bj every now and again is out of line. She really needs to be able to communicate with you in an open, non passive/agressive way about sex. I hope things improve...

I have a feeling this is something that'd be worked out if she understood that, well, the sex isn't necessarily about whether he gets to come, but whether they both get to enjoy it. Guys need passion too, after all.

It sounds like she's so focused on orgasm, that she might not even be enjoying being with her man. Isn't the idea supposed to be that you're having an enjoyable experience together with your partner?

I personally think that pleasure should be a two way street. It isn't fair for her to be satisfied and you not. You should talk to her... tell her how you feel. Of course I'm not her but if you were my man I would make sure you were totally satisfied and anything that made you happy and turned you on would turn me on too... and I truly mean anything...

I think you sound like the selfish one, not your wife. Sex is not all about one person. It's a two-person act. You lament like it's too much work for you to do 20 minutes of foreplay for your wife which is so sad. You then complain that all your wife would do is 45 minutes of fondling your genitals in the car... but that wasn't good enough because you wanted a blow job.

When is it ever all about your wife? Is there ever a time that she gets to orgasm by your work alone and then you go without? I doubt it, but this is what you think should happen for you as if it's an entitlement. I don't see the act of preparing her body for sex properly (your dreaded and painful 20 minutes) as being all about her.