Being gay is a gift from God.
Being gay is your divine right
You are the image and likeness of God just as you are.

I was just watching Oprah, and one of the guest, a pastor said to a gay man (on skype) that being gay was a gift from God.
Oprah responded "You are the only pastor I've ever known that believed that."
After that, the other guest pastor chimed in... Make that two, I believe that too.

I felt this was an uplifting thought for all the gays out there that believe something is "wrong" with them. You are who you are, God made you who you are. I hope that message gets out to a lot of people that may be feeling shame. Also to parents, that may have shunned their gay children or turned them away. I hope hearts are touched by this.

Notice I put this under spirituality, not religion. Most religious types are too busy picking the bible apart to use as a tool to support their agenda, that they lose the bigger picture. That is to live as "godly" as possible. Be kind, be respectful, be loving.

I'm interested in what others think.

I toatally agree. People aren't gay because they want to be. Its not a choice that they can make. I believe that it is a gift that god dave that divine person. I think all gays' should embrace who they are and be proud! I believe that gays have every right to be with another person that they enjoy spendng there time with and should be able to spend the rest of their life with that person if they please. Being gay is a gift because its something that most people can't even understand.

As guess as long as you are not talking about the christian god that they are a gift to some god.

Since of course you can't be a gift if you go against the teachings of that god.

I honestly do not think that being gay is a sin.

PPL do NOT want to be gay it is NOT a choice that someone wants to make.

I honestly do not know one gay person that wanted to be gay.

nobody wants to go through life being confused and made fun of all the time. And getting beat up.

. Why would you even believe that God would create someone to be a sinner the rest of there life because they feel soemthign that they can't even control.


GOD loves all of his children. If they have faith though he opens them into his life.

I know a lot of gay christians and they have faith in the lord jesus christ. They believe that jesus died on the cross for all of they're sins.
They believe that god loves them and made them special in every way just like he made me and you. And just like he loves me and you.



I don't know why people don't get it that gay people don't want to be gay. Its not a decision that they just make one day. Its something that they can't even control.


who in the heck that loves the lord jesus christ and goes to church everyday would want to be gay if its sinning. Answer me that question.



I'm not going to make this a argument or debate everyone has there beliefs. This is how I see it.

I know lots of gay people.
They go to church every Sunday. And they love the lord and they belief the lord loves them. Now why would a person that goes to church every Sunday and prays to our father want to be a sinner?


do you really think that gay christians wake up one day and say you know what I might go to church everyday but since go thinks being gay is a sin I am going to be gay. And hey why not I love being made fun of and tormented for my whole life because I'm gay. So lets do it! And while were at it my father wouldn't want me to be gay and he would this own me so lets go do that to!



does any of that make sense to you because its not supposed to.

I think what's been understood by Bible readers as homosexuality is really something very different. St. Paul made up the word arsenokoitai (possibly really meaning sex offenders or male temple prostitutes) in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Had Paul meant "homosexuals," he would have used the word paiderasste, the Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.

Jesus in Matt 15:18-20 said: "...those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man..." Homosexual behavior is not mentioned.

So now Oprah is your god simply because she found a couple of "pastors" who say it is OK to go against the teachings of God. There is one denomination who has ordained homosexuals as pastors. Does that make it right? Not according to the bible, the inspired word of God. And not according to the rest of the christian community. Homosexual acts, that is a sexual act between two men, two women is a sin according to the word of God. God does however say that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. So you can be a homosexual or feel that you are homosexual and as long as you are not doing anything about it, God will still love you.
Bye the way, please name these two pastors?

So if you were born hetrosexual is that something that you can control? Just as you would expect that homosexuality is a behavior that can be controlled?

Being born hetrosexual does that make you better then others because you were born and that your natural feeling were not considered a sin? God states it is not our position to judge others, it's his position, are you not creating your own sin by judging homosexuals?

I agree that God makes you in his image. I also think that God gives us the right of free will. I have nothing against people being gay and I think God loves gay, straight, whatever no matter what, but I don't think that physically that it was meant for certain people to be gay. I guess I enjoy the idea that girls have babies and boys help.

So now Oprah is your god simply because she found a couple of "pastors" who say it is OK to go against the teachings of God. There is one denomination who has ordained homosexuals as pastors. Does that make it right? Not according to the bible, the inspired word of God. And not according to the rest of the christian community. Homosexual acts, that is a sexual act between two men, two women is a sin according to the word of God. God does however say that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. So you can be a homosexual or feel that you are homosexual and as long as you are not doing anything about it, God will still love you.
Bye the way, please name these two pastors?

My understanding is that God will still love you even if you do do something about it. Is God's love conditional? If so, then divorcies can't get God's love and what's worse is they can't stop being divorcies. Since all sin is equal and we all sin; repeatedly. Are we to be denied God's love? And how are we diffferent from practicing homosexuals if we continue to sin in our daily lives? The answer is we are not any different, we all sin and the point of Christianity is that Jesus died for those past, present and future sins. So long as you believe in Him, you will be saved. Practicing homosexuals can be saved, and many are. If you don't believe that is possible because they continue to sin: A) Why would you deny them the ultimate gift from God B) Why can can't they be saved, and heterosexuals can and they continue to sin?

It has been my understanding that you can pretty much find any pastor to agree with a specific belief that you have. That's what makes the whole religion thing so fragmented and confrontational at times.

So now Oprah is your god simply because she found a couple of "pastors" who say it is OK to go against the teachings of God. There is one denomination who has ordained homosexuals as pastors. Does that make it right? Not according to the bible, the inspired word of God. And not according to the rest of the christian community. Homosexual acts, that is a sexual act between two men, two women is a sin according to the word of God. God does however say that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. So you can be a homosexual or feel that you are homosexual and as long as you are not doing anything about it, God will still love you.
Bye the way, please name these two pastors?

Who said Oprah was God? Did I miss something?

Who said "go against the teachings of God? What they said is that " being gay is a gift from God." I think that means that your life and everything that you are is a gift from God.

You continue to say "not according to the bible" Don't you understand that the bible is just a history book, written by flawed people, supposedly inspired by God. Says who? What makes it more "truth" than what you find in your heart where God resides WITHIN you, not "out there" somewhere.

The phrase "love the sinner, not the sin" just gets on my nerves. Why ? Because it's the token response that christians toss out there so they can judge others but yet still keep one foot in their god camp. It is like in the south. You can say any bad thing you want, as long as you end it with "bless her heart". " Sally sure keeps a messy house, bless her heart.":eek:

You said God will still love you IF you are gay, but not "doing" anything. Gods love is never contingent. IF is not in Gods vocab. Stop painting god so small. :rolleyes:

It has been my understanding that you can pretty much find any pastor to agree with a specific belief that you have. That's what makes the whole religion thing so fragmented and confrontational at times.

Yep, pastors are just people too. Listen to what others say, hear them out, read up on different perspectives, but ultimately YOU have to form your own beliefs based on what resonates as truth in your own heart. Religions are "boxed sets" of ideas, stories, beliefs that are spoon fed to you. Maybe some people need to be told what is real, I trust my own gut to filter out the clutter and leave the basics.

Who said Oprah was God? Did I miss something?

Who said "go against the teachings of God? What they said is that " being gay is a gift from God." I think that means that your life and everything that you are is a gift from God. Then I guess you do not believe in the Bible. It is NOT just an historical document. It is the inspired word of God. and if you do not believe that then there is no further use in discussing this as the secular world thinks there is nothing wrong with himosexuality.

You continue to say "not according to the bible" Don't you understand that the bible is just a history book, written by flawed people, supposedly inspired by God. Says who? What makes it more "truth" than what you find in your heart where God resides WITHIN you, not "out there" somewhere.

The phrase "love the sinner, not the sin" just gets on my nerves. Why ? Because it's the token response that christians toss out there so they can judge others but yet still keep one foot in their god camp. It is like in the south. You can say any bad thing you want, as long as you end it with "bless her heart". " Sally sure keeps a messy house, bless her heart.":eek:Sorry, again that is what MY bible teaches. Love the sinner, but hate the sin

You said God will still love you IF you are gay, but not "doing" anything. Gods love is never contingent. IF is not in Gods vocab. Stop painting god so small. :rolleyes:
No, what I said was that god still loves you. But when you sin he hates the sin. There is no way you can be in fellowship with God and sin at the same time. But you will continue to believe what you want to believe, so have a nice life!

No, what I said was that god still loves you. But when you sin he hates the sin. There is no way you can be in fellowship with God and sin at the same time. But you will continue to believe what you want to believe, so have a nice life!

No, what you said is this, and I quote...

So you can be a homosexual or feel that you are homosexual and as long as you are not doing anything about it, God will still love you.
Bye the way, please name these two pastors?

... as long as you are not doing anything about it, God will still love you. That's conditional, tell me how it is not.
And I know that love the sinner, not the sin is in the bible, and boy howdy, it's turned out to be a great line when wagging your "church lady" finger (remember SNL?) at someone.

I'm getting down right mean and my god tells me I am going about this debate the wrong way. I think I'll walk away for awhile and re-adjust mu attitude. From your "have a nice life" statement, maybe you should too. We are not pleasing god with our angry attitudes.

God does however say that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin.Apparently you may be wrong about that:
Hate The Sin, Love The Sinner | GraceThruFaith (http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner/)
And Does God Hate The Sin And The Sinner? | GraceThruFaith (http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/does-god-hate-the-sin-and-the-sinner/)

There is no way you can be in fellowship with God and sin at the same time.

I guess you aren't in fellowship with God then either. In fact, nobody on this planet is as we all sin.

Your argument does not hold up.

Apparently you may be wrong about that:
Hate The Sin, Love The Sinner | GraceThruFaith (http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner/)
and Does God Hate The Sin And The Sinner? | GraceThruFaith (http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/does-god-hate-the-sin-and-the-sinner/)

From my reading of those that is exactly what I was trying to say.
Matthew 6:24 (King James Version)

24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

There is no way you can be in fellowship with God and sin at the same time.
That means all Christians are in big trouble a lot, an awful lot.

Would it surprise you to know that "homosexual" in the Bible is not what we know is a homosexual? Maybe it's time we talk about Baal worship and pantheism and male & female temple prostitutes and some of the Hebrew and Greek words that were translated incorrectly because of the times and the culture.

A gift... I wouldn't call it that. A test of strength maybe.

It's nice to know that people have started to become open-minded. We can only hope that everyone realizes that no matter how they interpret the bible, they can't say they "know" being gay is a choice until they experience it themselves.

I would think that it would be easy to state anything is truly a gift from God.

Even the worst sinners could be considered a gift from God considering God is the reason they have life. Life in itself is a gift from God.

From a religious point of view... every branch will handle the issue according to "their practice" be it Catholic, Christian, Lutheran, Buddhism, Hinduism and Muslim... whatever and just as the individual has a free right to do what it is they want; so does practicing religion... I am Catholic and sit on the fence on this issue and I don't agree with the way the Church politically got involved with the gays. There are so many things in controversy sometimes its hard to believe in what you are told. Mary Magdalen (which if proven will also change the definition of priest (priestess) and that priests could have families of their own), so much is being swept under the rug from religious practitioners and participants and the fact that the bible has been re-written so many times. In any event, I am a flexible, reasonable person and I really don't care about the gay situation (do what you want and live on). There needs to be a balance besides there are bigger issues out there that need to be addressed.

From a spiritual point of view the fact is we are all made in his image no one is more gifted then anyone else - we all have purpose... but I don't believe that we have much of a choice here on earth, I feel like it was all premeditated and "meant to be" and that we are all here to teach and learn from each other - the wheel of life has been set in motion the day you where conceived. Bottom line is you can't change who or what you are... and what we define as normal is who's idea? Are you normal? I am not... I am unique and different just like each and everyone else on this planet because no one is the same - what does that say about yourself? You are special and you are loved. I think it goes too far when labeling it a gift! We are ALL gifted. The bottom line is... live your life to your hearts desire, be true to yourself, be righteous, follow the 10 commandments and live as a servant to each other with pure good intent and we would be fine. I would rather obliterate war/genocide/hate/fear/hunger/murder/pedophilia then concern myself with gay's and their rights... truth of the matter is you have a right to be gay so be that... no need to be ashamed and majority of us don't care what you do with your life "its your life".

Amen, Brother!

Just because we do not think or want something to be a sin does not make it a non sin. The Bible says Gods ways are higher than our ways and our righteousness is as filthy rags to God.
People argue that being gay is not a sin but the Bible teaches that anything outside of a married man and wife is sin so why would being gay be less of a sin than fornication or adultery?
The Bible says that gossip and gluttony are sins too
God doesn't degree sin like being gay is the ultimate sin.

The Bible says that gossip and gluttony are sins too .Then pretty much no one is getting to heaven. LOL!

Then pretty much no one is getting to heaven. LOL!

Everybody sins but it is the ones who turn to God and ask forgiveness and seek to do His will.
Christians DO sin. The Bible says anybody that says they do not sin is a liar.

Everybody sins but it is the ones who turn to God and ask forgiveness and seek to do His will.
Christians DO sin. The Bible says anybody that says they do not sin is a liar.

The argument I've heard is that practicing homosexuals can't be true Christian's because even if they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, you can't be saved if you continually sin. Since no sin is greater than another, it would be like a murderer accepting Jesus and then continuing to murder but claiming to be saved and forgiven. My understanding from Christian's is that you can't be willfully sinning and be saved. You have to willfully want to turn from your sin and make an effort through prayer and your own actions to change your ways.

Did you know that the divorce rate is around 50%. Did you also know that the divorce rate amongst Christian's is also around 50%.

My point is, since divorce is a sin and forever after if you have intercourse with another person even if you remarry; you are an adulterer. Once you are divorced you can't turn away from the sin unless you choose to never remarry and remain celebate for the rest of your life. So every divorced couple who has remarried is willfully practicing adultery, which means they cannot be saved. There are a lot of divorced people, previously divorced and remarried people in Churches today that believe they are saved and they are welcomed. Why can't a practicing homosexual couple be as welcomed at church and also be saved?

Every time the remarried person makes love to their new partner they are no longer seeking God's will, and are actively sinning against "the word of God' with no real intention of giving it up.

There is no difference between a remarried divorce person and a practicing homosexual in terms of biblical sins. So it seems clear that the Christian approach to homosexuality is discriminatory and hateful since the same rules don't apply to other Christian sinners.

Why does it surprise a Christian that their faith is under attack when it is so hypocritical and dangerous in that it incites hate.

The thing is that if they do not turn to God and they continue in their sin then they are no more forgiven than the adulter or any other sinner.

We, homosexuals, gossipers, liars or whatever need to come to God and then allow God to clean our life up. People put the cart before the horse and want the sinner to be sin free and THEN come to Jesus when it is the other way around.

The thing is that if they do not turn to God and they continue in their sin then they are no more forgiven than the adulter or any other sinner.

We, homosexuals, gossipers, liars or whatever need to come to God and then allow God to clean our life up. People put the cart before the horse and want the sinner to be sin free and THEN come to Jesus when it is the other way around.

My point is though that a remarried person has no hope to follow God's will, unless they stop making love to his new wife. If they come to God and have God clean up their life does it mean all these people who entered a new covenant in a second marriage before God will eventually have to renounce it in order to follow God's will? Even if that Union helps the children and is loving?

Texas,
Have you noticed that the "christians that love the gay but hate the gayness" keep avoiding the point that you are making. The re-married point. I get exactly what you are saying. You can't pick your abominations from your bible.

I believe that when you are truly in touch with your core Christ-like inner being, your own "sin radar" will go off. If it does not go off, then you are living in alignment with God. With this highly sophisticated sin radar, the bible is moot. It's really a lot of hear say anyway. In fact my radar is going off right now because I am not responding with the right attitude. This radar is very finely tuned.

My intent is not to offend anyone, so do not get offended.

Whether following the theory of God or the theory of evolutuion, in no way is homosexuality a gift to anyone. According to evolution, a species must reproduce in order to perpetuate that species. According to God, go forth and multiply. Homosexuality does not carry the necessary fuctions in order to do this. Therefore, it is not a gift. If life is a gift, and I'm assuming everyone here believes theirs is, it was surely not brought to be by homosexuality.
We are all designed, either by God or nature, to mate with the opposite sex. Simply put, a male reproduction organ cannot fit inside that of another male reproduction organ, and the female reproduction organ cannot insert into another female reproduction organ. So therefore, how can anyone have been born homosexual.
In either two arguments, homosexuality is a choice only.

Thank you Cozyk for putting this here.
I also believe that being gay is a gift because gaymen are not afraid to show their female side and seem to have their male and female side in a good balance. My daughter from 12 recently said mom why are all the nice men gay? So I explained the male and female side and it could be that reason that they understand women better because they are much more open to the energy of female and practise it themselves.

Peace and love in oneness!

Thank you Cozyk for putting this here.
I also believe that being gay is a gift because gaymen are not afraid to show their female side and seem to have their male and female side in a good balance. My daughter from 12 recently said mom why are all the nice men gay? So I explained the male and female side and it could be that reason that they understand women better because they are much more open to the energy of female and practise it themselves.

Peace and love in oneness!

I'm a nice man, and was a nice boy and I'm not gay. That's a pretty broad brush your daughter is using. Furthermore, when I was a young teen I was almost raped by a gay man, that's not nice it's predatory and wrong by any standard.

There are good and bad men hetero and homo; however I would agree based on the gay men I have known in my life that they may be able to speak the language of women more easily than men as they seemed to be more emotional.

Hi there Texasparent, of course you are right about good and bad men hetero and homo and I don't want to give hetero man a bad name, on the contrary, most of my friends are male and hetero and I have always worked a lot with men because of my technical profession. I have heard a lot of women saying the line: why are all nice men gay? But I guess they never said this to a hetero man or they have had bad experiences with hetero men. This is why I looked up hearing this from my 12 year old daughter.
My daughter was saying this because on TV we see a lot of gaymen in shows doing hair, make up, clothing, house make overs.
We see gaymen always having fun, helping people with their insecurities and I think my daughter sees that as gaymen always trying to get things in harmony and that they talk more about feelings than most hetero men do.
We are from Amsterdam a gay city and I can't help it but my daughter gets along better with gaymen than hetero, but maybe its because she is in the age of being interested more in looks, clothing and feelings.

Its sad that you have had a bad experience being almost raped by a gay man but I have had the same experience with hetero men. My best friend committed suicide because he was gay and not accepted.
When we talk about being gay is a gift of God there is a positive sight to it and maybe we hetero people can learn from that.
You said that gay men seem to be more emotional and I guess that it is the positive part because our emotions are important in our lives. Here are some examples from Goleman's 1995 book emotional intelligence. For survival; our emotions have the potential to serve us as a delicate and sophisticated internal guidance system. Our emotions alert us when natural human need is not being met. For decision making, our emotions are a valuable source of information. Our emotions help us make decisions. Studies show that when a persons emotional connections are severed in the brain, he can not make even simple decisions, Why? Because he doesn't know how he will feel about his choices. For boundery setting; when we feel uncomfortable with a persons behavior, our emotions alert us. If we learn to trust our emotions and feel confident expressing ourselves we can let the person know we feel uncomfortable as soon as we are aware of our feeling. This will help us set bounderies which are necessary to protect our physical and mental health. Our emotions help us communicate with others and the better we can identify our emotions, the easier it will be to determine what is needed to be happy. Unity; our emotions are perhaps the greatest potential source of uniting all members of the human species. Clearly, our various religious, cultural and political beliefs have not united us. Far too often, in fact, they have tragically and even fatally divided us. Emotions, on the other hand, are universal. Charles Darwin wrote about this years ago in one of his lesser-known books called "The expression of Emotion in Man and Animal. The emotions of empathy, compassion, cooperation and forgiveness for instance, all have the potential to unite us as a species. It seem fair to say that, generally speaking: Beliefs divide us, Emotions unite us!

Take whatever is coming to you
Let the beauty of it move you!

Why is it necessary to equate right or wrong, with religion in the first place. Why is it if religion says it's okay, or not okay, we presume that because it is under the banner of 'religion' then it must be right?

I personally don't think religion has anything to do with spirituality, nor can religion decide who is spiritual and who is not. Being religious does not 'qualify' anybody to judge another.

All people possess some idea of their spiritual selves. We are all spiritual beings, and it isn't because a church decided that you qualify. We are all equal in our spiritual orientation, no one can claim to be more spiritual than any other.

Spirituality, goes beyond those organizations that decide what is right, or wrong.

What difference does it make if a gay person is religious or not. They are who they are, and likely far more enlightened to be able to surpass the limitations of those that judge them in the first place,

Why can't we just accept people the way they are. Why do we either qualify it with being correct, or wrong and sinful. It is up to no person to judge another's sexual orientation.

To do so is just plain arrogant.

As one of the few people posting in this thread who actually happens to be gay, I can vouch for one thing- it's not a choice. For those who say it is, I ask you this- when did you "choose" to be straight? When did you say to yourself, "gee...I'm really hot for my friend Bob, but I'll do the" right" thing and marry a girl?". I guarantee you didn't.

I'm a lesbian and an atheist. I've been "out" so long, I don't see it as a gift or a curse, it's just who I am. Anyone who can't handle it matters not to me. While I didn't choose to be gay, I wouldn't change it, either. It's hard-wired into me, it's one of the parts that make up the whole of me. For those gay people who believe in god, I think that most of them believe that god made them that way. If not, it would make god one real sadistic s.o.b. wouldn't it? Who would want to worship that?

My intent is not to offend anyone, so do not get offended.

Whether following the theory of God or the theory of evolutuion, in no way is homosexuality a gift to anyone. According to evolution, a species must reproduce in order to perpetuate that species. According to God, go forth and multiply. Homosexuality does not carry the necessary fuctions in order to do this. Therefore, it is not a gift. If life is a gift, and I'm assuming everyone here believes theirs is, it was surely not brought to be by homosexuality.
We are all designed, either by God or nature, to mate with the opposite sex. Simply put, a male reproduction organ cannot fit inside that of another male reproduction organ, and the female reproduction organ cannot insert into another female reproduction organ. So therefore, how can anyone have been born homosexual.
In either two arguements, homosexuality is a choice only.

I totally agree with you 100%, you hit it right on the money!

Why is it neccesary to equate right or wrong, with religion in the first place. Why is it if religion says it's okay, or not okay, we presume that because it is under the banner of 'religion' then it must be right?

I personally don't think religion has anything to do with spirituality, nor can religion decide who is spiritual and who is not. Being religious does not 'qualify' anybody to judge another.

All people possess some idea of their spiritual selves. We are all spiritual beings, and it isn't because a church decided that you qualify. We are all equal in our spiritual orientation, no one can claim to be more spiritual than any other.

Spirituality, goes beyond those organizations that decide what is right, or wrong.

What difference does it make if a gay person is religious or not. They are who they are, and likely far more enlightened to be able to surpass the limitations of those that judge them in the first place, .

Why can't we just accept people the way they are. Why do we either qualify it with being correct, or wrong and sinful. It is up to no person to judge another's sexual orientation.

To do so is just plain arrogant.

Duh!? Why did I say DISagree when I so clearly agree? Sorry for the confusion.:confused::o::D

I totally agree with you 100%, you hit it right on the money!

For reproduction , yes. For attraction, unfortunately it is not that cut and dry. We can't explain WHY some people are attracted to the same sex, we just know they are. I think it be more "christian" (a word I dislike more and more) of us to accept people for who they are. WHO and why we love is not what is important. What is important is that we do love.
I am for any love that creates caring, sharing and nurturing in this world where intolerance, judgment, and division are rampant.;)

For reproduction , yes. For attraction, unfortunately it is not that cut and dry. We can't explain WHY some people are attracted to the same sex, we just know they are. I think it be more "christian" (a word I dislike more and more) of us to accept people for who they are. WHO and why we love is not what is important. What is important is that we do love.
I am for any love that creates caring, sharing and nurturing in this world where intolerance, judgment, and division are rampant.;)

I am not saying that I can explain why some people are attracted to the same sex. I don't think there is an explanation. I have nothing against gay people. My best friend is gay and I accept him for who he is as a person, and I love him dearly. I am a christian. I do not judge, I am just saying that I don't believe that it is a gift from God to be gay.

As one of the few people posting in this thread who actually happens to be gay, I can vouch for one thing- it's not a choice. For those who say it is, I ask you this- when did you "choose" to be straight? When did you say to yourself, "gee...I'm really hot for my friend Bob, but I'll do the" right" thing and marry a girl?". I guarantee you didn't.

I'm a lesbian and an atheist. I've been "out" so long, I don't see it as a gift or a curse, it's just who I am. Anyone who can't handle it matters not to me. While I didn't choose to be gay, I wouldn't change it, either. It's hard-wired into me, it's one of the parts that make up the whole of me. For those gay people who believe in god, I think that most of them believe that god made them that way. If not, it would make god one real sadistic s.o.b., wouldn't it? Who would want to worship that?

It warms my heart to see that gays are at peace with themselves more and more and have come a long way from the days of Rock Hudson, Sargent, and others years ago.
I think it would be so sad if you had to walk around hiding who you are and living a lie.
We still have a way to go, but at least we are going in the right direction.

It warms my heart to see that gays are at peace with themselves more and more and have come a long way from the days of Rock Hudson, Sargent, and others years ago.
I think it would be so sad if you had to walk around hiding who you are and living a lie.
We still have a way to go, but at least we are going in the right direction.

Make that Sargent. Funny, this thread will not allow me to type Mr Sargent's 1st name. I'll just call him Richard. How about that? You know, the 2nd Darrin on Bewitched. Oh yeah, Robert Reed. AKA Mike Brady on the Brady Bunch, also forced to live a lie or be shunned by society and the industry. What a shame.. I can't believe I couldn't enter Mr Sargent's first name. WOW

Make that Sargent. Funny, this thread will not allow me to type Mr Sargent's 1st name. I'll just call him Richard. How about that? You know, the 2nd Darrin on Bewitched. Oh yeah, Robert Reed. AKA Mike Brady on the Brady Bunch, also forced to live a lie or be shunned by society and the industry. What a shame.. I can't believe I couldn't enter Mr Sargent's first name. WOW


Oh yeah... "Darrin", or "Durwood", as Endora used to call him! So, we can't type "d-ick" here?

I couldn't remember his first name until you posted that Ren lol

I had an Uncle D**k, who wasn't a d**k at all. :)

Oh yeah..."Darrin", or "Durwood", as Endora used to call him! So, we can't type "d-ick" here?That's right, it's part of the censored word list.

This is a beautiful thought and I agree. One more thing I'd like you to take into account is that our spirits are both male and female... therefore, sexuality is what people have made it. In past lives, its very possible we were a different sex... so in turn... at some point, I'm sure everyone would be 'gay'

Well just to throw another spanner into the works, as a bi person I'd like to say that it really doesn't bother me what the religious world do or do not think of my personal decisions.

If I meet my maker, I'll sit down and have a chat, until then.. I'll be making my own decisions based on what I believe as you all have the right to do yourselves.

I honestly do not think that being gay is a sin.

PPL do NOT want to be gay it is NOT a choice that someone wants to make.

I honestly do not kno one gay person that wanted to be gay.

nobody wants to go through life being confused and made fun of all the time. and getting beat up.

. Why would you even belive that God would create someone to be a sinner the rest of there life bc they feel soemthign that they can't even control.


GOD loves all of his children. If they have faith though he opens them into his life.

I kno a lot of gay christians and they have faith in the lord jesus christ. they believe that jesus died on the cross for all of they're sins.
They belive that god loves them and made them special in every way just like he made me and you. and just like he loves me and you.



i dont kno why ppl dont get it taht gay ppl dont want to be gay. its not a desicion that they just make one day. its something that they can't even control.


who in the heck that loves the lord jesus christ and goes to church everyday would want to be gay if its sinning. answer me that question.



im not going to make this a argument or debate everyone has there beliefs. This is how I see it.

I kno lots of gay ppl.
They go to church every Sunday. and they love the lord and they belief the lord loves them. now why would a person that goes to church every sunday and prays to our father want to be a sinner?


do you rly think that gay christians wake up one day and say you kno what i might go to church everyday but since go thinks being gay is a sin i am going to be gay. and hey why not i love being made fun of and tormented for my whole life bc im gay. so lets do it! and while were at it my father wouldnt want me to be gay and he would dis own me so lets go do that to!



does any of that make sense to you bc its not supposed to.

Your argument doesn't make sense. If being gay ISN'T wanted, why would you tell someone it's a gift?

The Bible clearly states that God made them Man and Woman, and that any sex outside of marriage is sin.

People are not born gay. We are all born sinners and homosexuality is sin.

Psalm 51:5
For I was born a sinner—yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “ There is none righteous, no, not one;

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

1 Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching


Notice that those who break promises are just as guilty of sin as those who practice homosexuality? God is holy and cannot tolerate sin of any kind.

Are you gay?


Well if your not, what right do you have to say that one is not born gay?

How can you tell someone with first hand knowledge that they are wrong when you have nothing other than a book to base your convictions on?

My convictions are based on the Holy Spirit and what He speaks to my spirit; on His Word. My experience is that my heart and mind are subject to being deceived by the lies of this world if I choose my own reasoning. Therefore, I choose His understanding and Wisdom.

Nope, not gay, but that doesn't preclude my sins.

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