Hey,

I just saw this old post from Entity:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/skin-lightening/have-gotten-too-white-216842-3.html

People, I cannot believe you believed that he really "depigged" without even seeing a "before" picture of him!! He could be very well a Persian (or Persian descendant Indian (They are called "Parsi" in India) and most of the Persian people have very white/pale skin (which is as white as the one in the picture in that posting). He claims that he is Indian but how can you know that he is not from that minority of Indians who have light skin, or just a Persian guy pretending to be an Indian who depigged (or a light skinned Latino). In fact, his facial properties (like eyes, eye brows and nose/mouth shape.. etc) looks like very Persian to me... I have many Persian friends here... The moment I saw his photo, I was like "Very likely this guy is Persian".. and as I said most Persian people have very, very white skin (I wish my skin colour were like them too... I have always liked Persian people's characteristics: very white skin but on the other hand very dark black hair.. I love the resulting contrast :) )



So, someone also can find a Persian friend and post his/her pictures as "Hey, look at me, how white I became now...I depigged using this product.... blah blah"... Or, forget about a Persian person, someone can find pictures of an African American albino person and claim that he/she depigged using this product... (Does anyone remember the famous Latoya Wilson photos?? Have you ever wondered why there is not even one "before" photo of her? She could be in fact an albino (ie. Born like that)) and some people might be trying to get our money and health from us...

I don't know.. In the case of monobenzone there is so many conflicting arguments/results/discussions all over the net, in different forums... I am confused guys... Does anyone seem to have a "real" before & after photos? (Ummm, don't tell me Sam's photos... because his before picture is under very dark light conditions and very likely when he had some tan.. and after photos are always under very bright light (very likely during winter when he lost his tan)... I am not even sure if we should trust on the photos completely.. Since, with the help of Photoshop one can create miracles recently...

I am so confused about all these conflicting ideas about monobenzone... confused and worried and afraid to start trying it on myself... Too bad, all the other possible lightening agents seems only being a temporary one (ie. One has to keep using it all her/his life)... I wish there was something natural, harmless and permanent!

Peace,

Dave

There are many posts on this board warning of specific products and specific companies. It would be nice if somebody could go through and do a list of all these warnings.
Many say that some lighten unevenly. Some are just plain scams.

Entity have shown a before pic in another forum

Chandani,
Is it possible for you to post a link to his before pic?

I google'd the keywords: { entity, mono, monobenzone, arbutin } but nothing came up...

Chandani,
Could you please share with us the Entity's before photo? Or, if you know him personally, would you kindly ask him if he is willing to share with us his before photo?

Another member of this forum just shared the following information/anecdote with us in another thread (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/skin-lightening/end-monobenzone-journey-284741-5.html ):

"Dave, I am glad that you are here. You seem to be the logical voice of reason. I am also a science person and need reliable facts. I have seen those pics of "Entity" on another forum. I have seen two pictures of his "after" depigmentaton, but have never seen a before pic. I personally asked him for a before picture and the only thing that he posted was a picture of some famous actor who was "supposedly" the same complexion as he was before. I became suspicious and he mysteriously disappeared. I am very weary and cautious of all of those forums and mono selling sites. You just don't know who to trust. I like that you have been doing your reseach on monobenzone. That is the ONLY way for you to be informed and make wise decisions. Yes, one huge problem that doctors were having with vitiligo patients, was the fact that monobenzone is so unstable. You could be possibly depigged for years and all of a sudden little brown spots start reoccurring. Also, doctors suggest that you keep using mono a least a few times a week after you successfully depigged and that you should always stay out of the sun."
-clueless2008




So, now I am really wondering Entity's "before" photo? Today, I googled more, but I could not find any... Maybe I am just a bit unlucky...

I am a science person, hence it is not easy for me to believe just "words" of some people without any proof... It is so frustrating that, I have not seen any one case of a non-vitiligo person depigged successfully with mono.

Yeah, there are some "famous" photos circulating around:

1) The photos of Sam: Many people had stated that he is in fact trying to scam people, at different forums. I do not know him personally and I have never used any products from him, so I don't know if this is true or not. But the photos of him circulating around: The famous "Before and After" photos are not very persuading. Because, his before picture is taken under very dark light conditions, and his "after" photos are always under bright light. Even a normal person's skin colour will look very different under different light conditions.Plus, his "before" picture might be just from a summer time where he had some "tan" and his after photos could be the ones during winter when he lost his tan. Losing his tan + taking the photos under bright light makes you lighter. I know this from my own personal experience.

2) The famous "Latoya" person. There has never been a "before" photo of her. Hence, she could be an albino person (ie. Born like that), or maybe she had a very severe vitiligo (like more than 80 % of her body areas) which makes her depig with mono very easily & successfully.

I have been reading many different skin lightening forums and in nearly each of those forums, it has been found out that some people who claim that they are getting "amazing" results from monobenzone were either scammers (like "Sheralcrow" aka "Marnishia Wilson" aka "Charles Chatman" (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/skin-lightening/confirmed-scam-artist-alert-203817.html) or the forum administrators had found out that some people had several user names at one IP address, or some people trying to promote their mono or trying to tell lies about their competitors to get more costumers themselves.

So, I could not find "one" reliable before and after picture. I wish I have seen one.

On the other hand, there is the following scientific journal paper

Depigmentation therapy
Jean L. Bolognia , Kim Lapia , & Sandra Somma
Department of Dermatology, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut
Volume 14 Issue 1, Pages 29 - 34, Journal of Dermatologic Therapy

There are are photos of some people, who were a vitiligo patient. And, one of them were depigged successfully, and she remained depigged for 5 years, but after 5 years she developed brown spots all over her body. Or, there was a another photo of a vitiligo patient, who had also depigged successfully but after sometime later he got "unprotected" sun exposure and there were hundreds of brown/black spots all over his body. (Sorry, I cannot put those photos here, since they are under copyright, but people who have acces to that online journal can Google for it and see for themselves)

so, I do not know... Until someone comes forward with some "Realistic" before & after photos (which are taken under similar light conditions and which are not digitally manupulated (ie. Photosopped) (in fact, it is nearlly impossbile to detect if someone had photoshopped the photos or not... so, even in this case,one can never be 100% sure))
I am not sure if a non-vitiligo person can "succesfully" (ie. Evenly... etc) depig using monobenzone or not...

Please, do not start accusations that I might be a seller of another product... etc. I am not... I frankly not.. I also wish as much as you guys that mono could in fact also
depig non-vitiligo people too... and I would be willing to try it, if some people can come up with more "convincing" results... but now, I am a bit concerned and worried... I hope there is a way for us to obtain the ligthening affect we want.. Personaly, I would love to obtain that "pale white" look... I don't know, I am confused... In the case of mono one person is saying "2 x 2 is 4", the other is arguing "No, it is 5", another one is saying "No, 2 x 2 is 100. Please buy mono from me and make me richer", some other one is saying "No, 2 x 2 is zero...Dont waste your hope/health/skin"

The truth for the case 2 x2 is, of course, 4; but for the monobenzone:I don't know who is saying the truth, who is a seller, who is just creating some fictional stories... I am sure there are some people who are very honest and saying the 100% truth, but the problem is I do not know who are those honest people... I am frustrated...