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Bougher
Dec 19, 2008, 07:48 PM
I read another post on here similar to mine. My furnace is on and everything, but cold air is coming out of the ducts. The post said to try tapping the gas valve (in case it is stuck). That didn't work. Also, I read that there is supposed to be 24 VDC on the valve prior to lighting off the machine. My question is: where do I take these readings? Thanks for the help.

KISS
Dec 19, 2008, 08:02 PM
24 VAC. Not DC

Depends on the valve.

hvac1000
Dec 19, 2008, 08:06 PM
Post exact model and brand.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 06:25 AM
This is what I saw on the sticker:

SV9501M2528
Reg 3.5 Adj 3-5 range
24V 50/60HZ
0706D3C12 19025475

I know my problem is somewhere in the ignition area. The rotary pump at the suction is working and air is sucked through the filter. The outlet pumps are working, but cold air is coming out of the ducts. I don't know if I was supposed to see a flame at the ignition area, but I didn't.

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 06:48 AM
What you posted looks like it came from a Honeywell Smart Valve control, not the actual model of the furnace.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 06:50 AM
Okay. I don't know what that tells me.

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 06:52 AM
Post exact model and brand.We need more info. It's like telling us your car has Champion spark plugs; okay, but what kind of car is it?

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 06:56 AM
The label on the case of the furnace says:

Excel Comfort Systems, Inc.
Model #: MPGA050B3
Serial #: 6239940024
20251801B

It's a forced air furnace with natural gas

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 07:14 AM
There we go... okay, start here: do you have a voltmeter? Locate the pressure switch (typically a small canister, two or three wires and a small hose connected to it), and check for voltage between terminals after inducer starts.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 07:36 AM
I see the small hose, but two sets of wires. One set was for control, the other for the ignitor. Also, I don't know where the terminals are. I'm so confused.

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 07:48 AM
Confused? Good, that's the first lesson, recognize your disposition-you're well on your way here. Success is one step closer... you are looking at the Smart Valve. Remember this for later. Keep looking for the pressure switch, the hose will most likely be rubber, approx. 3/8" diameter.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 07:53 AM
Okay, but I still don't know where the terminals are.

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 08:06 AM
Where the wires are connected. If they are recessed into switch body you may have to back the wires off a little. Or, try this: remove the wires and use your multimeter to check for continuity between terminals with inducer running.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 09:46 AM
I found a troubleshooting guide for the valve that helped locate the test terminals. It had me check the 24V common to hot, which gave me about 27 VAC. It also had me test 24V common to 24V thermostat/pressure switch. When I turned the P/S to ON, the reading jumped to around 15VAC but dropped back to 0VAC. Is the voltage supposed to stay high like the other? Or is it supposed to drop again?

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 01:42 PM
Voltage should be all or nothing. Partial voltage indicates some resistance in the circuit that shouldn't be there. Did you check the pressure switch yet?

hvac1000
Dec 20, 2008, 03:22 PM
Voltage should be all or nothing. Partial voltage indicates some resistance in the circuit that shouldn't be there. Did you check the pressure switch yet?


Take a look at this to troubleshoot.

Bougher
Dec 20, 2008, 06:03 PM
That is the same troubleshooting guide I was using. The common to pressure switch voltage is what was giving my the spike and 0 reading. It tells me a bunch of stuff to check, but I'm not entirely sure how to check all that stuff.

KC13
Dec 20, 2008, 06:31 PM
At some point you may have to just bite the bullet and call in a pro. Not all problems can be solved over the internet in spite of the massive conglomeration of infinite genuis available here.:(

hvac1000
Dec 20, 2008, 07:07 PM
At some point you may have to just bite the bullet and call in a pro. Not all problems can be solved over the internet in spite of the massive conglomeration of infinite genuis available here.:(

Agree

Bougher
Dec 21, 2008, 10:40 AM
I called the pros. I told them what I've done so far and they said to see if the pressure switch is clogged. I took off the pressure switch and blew in it and I heard the bellows move, so I know it isn't clogged. I hooked it back up and tried to check for a voltage while the furnace was on, but I got nothing. I am supposed to see a voltage, right?

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 10:49 AM
Did you follow the troubleshooting guide posted by hvac1000 yesterday? This is what a pro would do...

hvac1000
Dec 21, 2008, 12:15 PM
Some people never listen or learn..

Bougher
Dec 21, 2008, 01:24 PM
Like I said earlier, I was already using the same troubleshooting guide. After a series of resistance checks, I am pretty sure the rollout is the problem. Another problem is that I don't know what a rollout is.

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 01:32 PM
A rollout switch is typically installed near the main burners to sense over-temperature if the flames are straying away from target area. They are almost always of the type that requires manual reset or replacement. Look for a small device with 2 wires and a reset button in the center.

Bougher
Dec 21, 2008, 02:15 PM
Would the button pop out if it tripped? I found two of them, but the middle button won't push in (see question above), but it'll rotate. Does this mean it isn't tripped?

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 02:18 PM
If they don't click when pressed, they didn't pop open. Internal oxidation is another possibility. Do any look like they have ever been wet?

Bougher
Dec 21, 2008, 02:21 PM
I don't know. Where can I buy new ones at?

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 02:26 PM
Don't start changing parts to find your problem. That can get needlessly expensive fast, and there goes the money you thought you were saving by doing it yourself.

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 02:33 PM
What led you to speculate that a rollout switch may be the problem? I reviewed the troubleshooting chart linked by hvac1000 and I see no suggestions that specify this part. No offense, but if you have a voltmeter, eyes, and the ability to understand English, this flow chart is a snap to follow. Perhaps a pro should be called in.

Bougher
Dec 21, 2008, 05:41 PM
It was the limit switch. I was having trouble finding it, since I didn't know what it looked like. Now I know, and it's only going to cost me ~20 bucks. Thanks for your help everybody. Peace.

hvac1000
Dec 21, 2008, 05:44 PM
If the limit switch tripped that usually means there is a problem that caused it to trip. Keep an eye on it after the replacement.

KC13
Dec 21, 2008, 06:24 PM
If a resettable limit switch trips, is doesn't necessarily mean the switch is bad, it means something occurred to cause it to trip. As hvac1000 said, keep an eye on it.