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dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 01:45 PM
Why do you vote/support the candinate you vote/support? How did you support them?

I am doing this as a little research, I hope you guys don´t think that this is a personal question, like some do... But since everything here is anonymous...

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 02:00 PM
Since I am not old enough to vote, I have to stay at supporting. I support the McCain/Palin campaign because I believe they will bring change to America.

Why?
a) McCain will lower our taxes in the time of our economic crisis. He will not raise taxes on business or tend toward isolationist trade policies. Those were the failed policies of the Great Depression.
b) McCain will promote all of our domestic sources of energy including drilling, nuclear, and clean coal and our renewable sources. This means he will bbreak our dependence on foreign oil, which will cut prices at the pump and keep us safe.
c) McCain´s health care plan is about equalizing the tax structures and offer alternatives to all inclusive state mandates that drive up the cost. Obama´s plan would make the economic crisis worst.
d) McCain´s education plan will remove barriers to qualified tutor´s, attract and reward good teachers.
e) McCain as commander in chief will help us win Iraq. He is able to understand the strategy and put us in lead ove Iraq.
f) McCain will not spread the wealth around and won´t take "your piece of pie and put it on his own plate". He supports the concept of the American Dream, unlike Obama who is a hidden socialist.

I have been making phone calls, reprinting flyers and spent hours walking door to door to support my candidate. Not mentioning putting a McCain/Palin sign on my frontyard and buying (and wearing) his T-Shirts and button-pins.

(Sorry for any errors, I have 8 good fingers, plus two huge, hurt ones... )

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 02:02 PM
Now it´s your turn :)

BMI
Nov 3, 2008, 02:18 PM
YES!!

McCain will WIN in Iraq. How much more peaceful and wonderful the world is since the war. All of North America should feel so much more secure knowing the evil that has threatened the world for so long has been eradicated.

I believe that since McCain is certainly nothing like Bush that America will grow and further it's status as the world's peacekeepers and fighters of evil.

I only pray that America vote's for change:)

BMI
Nov 3, 2008, 02:29 PM
Obviously I would support 'BAMA in case anyone took me seriously.

spitvenom
Nov 3, 2008, 02:33 PM
I support Obama for the following reason's.

1.) John McCain didn't even bother to vote on Equal Pay Bill. I have a mom, a sister, a fiancée, and Aunts who work very hard and deserve to get paid as much as a man.

2.) I make less then $200,000 a year so I get a tax break from Obama. I think people who make 200,000 should pay more taxes it is only fair. You can see how much you will save against McCain's plan by clicking this link (http://taxcut.barackobama.com/)

3.) I believe homosexuals should have the same rights as any married heterosexual couple.

4.) I am Pro Choice.

5.) It is High time we got out of Iraq 10 billion dollars a month there. We need that money here for schools, hospitals, roads, health care.

6.) If McCain gets elected my job will not be able to afford the taxes on my health care (since no one has EVER taxed health care from your job in the history of the US) so they will drop it. I researched it for myself and I really can't get any health insurance with $2,500 tax credit that McCain will give me, So that is more money out of my pocket.

7.) Last but certainly not least Sarah Palin. Even typing her name sends an ice cold shiver down my spine. It makes me sick that she just attacks attacks and attacks and then when she says something so stupid she blames Katie Couric, because you know Katie Couric is such a hard hitting reporter.

So there are just a few reasons but whoever you support just Remember to vote Nov 4th. That is if you are old enough to vote. Unless you registered through ACORN then Vote as many times as you can.

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 02:37 PM
I pray for McCain´s victory. We, as a nation, need John McCain for president. He is the best choice, that has been offered. Let´s hope for the Bradley effect, OK?

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 02:40 PM
2.) I make less then $200,000 a year so I get a tax break from Obama. I think people who make 200,000 should pay more taxes it is only fair. You can see how much you will save against McCain's plan by clicking this link (http://taxcut.barackobama.com/)

What if you start making more money?

spitvenom
Nov 3, 2008, 02:52 PM
Then I pay my fair share, Please tell me what is wrong with that. I don't see why people are so against helping other people. If I made 200,000 and I got taxed more at least I would know some of the money will help some poor kid get health insurance. If it helps to get better education to children that is fine with me also. Are you saying you are against those two reason?

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 03:05 PM
spitvenom...

I had this feeling you would eat "SPREADABLE WEALTH" on your toast...

Why do you think money should be redistributed? How do you know that the poor kid actually gets its health insurance? Same with education...

McCain too has a plan with health care. Obama´s is too open ended... This could hurt our economy during the crisis.

As for education, McCain has a plan too. He will pay bonuses too teachers who work well, so that more kids have a good education and don´t necessarily have to go to a private school.

And he can achieve all this, without "spreading the wealth around". Now you tell me what's wrong with that...

homebirthmom
Nov 3, 2008, 03:14 PM
I personally support Obama. I will keep most of my views to myself, only because I don't think this is a debate, just an opinion poll, as the OP wanted it.
I do however believe we need to get our butts out of IRAQ. Bring the troops home.

dave146
Nov 3, 2008, 03:18 PM
Yes... my cousin was in Iraq... he has lost his right leg.

BABRAM
Nov 3, 2008, 11:06 PM
This in part, is why I already early voted for Barack Obama.


1. Without my wife's full time income, personally my family benefits categorically from Barack Obama's tax policy breakdown. The link below also provides a graph.

How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008 (http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm)

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- John McCain and Barack Obama have starkly different philosophies about tax policy - how to raise the revenue needed to support government programs, spur growth and ensure economic fairness.

But voters really want to know one thing: How would the presidential candidates' views trickle down to their tax bills? A report released Wednesday by a nonpartisan policy group in Washington, D.C., takes a big first step toward answering that question.

According to the Tax Policy Center's findings, the common assumptions most people make about the plans of McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Obama, the Democrats' pick, are not wildly off-base.

McCain: The average taxpayer in every income group would see a lower tax bill, but high-income taxpayers would benefit more than everyone else.

Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most - in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.

Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain's tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama's could add as much as $3.3 trillion.

The reason: neither plan would raise the amount of revenue expected under current tax policy - which assumes all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire by 2011. And neither plan would raise enough to cover expected government costs during those 10 years.

"Distributionally, they're markedly different. But in terms of their impact on revenue, the two plans are not terribly different," said Roberton Williams, principal research associate at the Tax Policy Center and the former deputy assistant director for tax analysis at the Congressional Budget Office.

A closer look

In addition to making the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, McCain says he would double the exemption for dependents, lower the corporate tax rate, make expensing rules more generous for small businesses and lessen the bite of the estate tax and Alternative Minimum tax.

The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $1,200. That means their after-tax income would rise by 2%.

But those in the lowest income groups would only see their after-tax income rise by less than 1% (or between $19 and $319). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with incomes of at least $603,000 - would see a boost in after-tax income of 3.4%, or more than $40,000.

Obama's plan would keep the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts in place for everyone except those making more than roughly $250,000, and he would increase the capital gains tax.

Obama would also introduce new tax breaks for lower and middle-income groups. Such breaks include expanding the earned income tax credit, giving those making less than $150,000 a $500 tax credit per person on the first $8,100 in income, giving those making under $75,000 a 50% federal match on the first $1,000 of savings, and exempting seniors making less than $50,000 from having to pay income tax.

Like McCain, Obama would lessen the bite of the estate tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax, but to a lesser degree.

The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $160 under Obama's plan. That means their after-tax income would rise by 0.3%.

But those in the lowest-income groups would enjoy the biggest after-tax income rise as a percentage of income - between 2.4% and 5.5% (worth between $567 and $1,042). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with at least $603,000 in income - would see a dramatic decline in their after-tax income - a drop of 8.7%, or $116,000.

The campaigns respond

Jason Furman, a newly appointed senior economic adviser to Obama, said his preliminary response is that the report's findings bear out what Obama's campaign has been saying: that he's for the middle class.

"Middle-class families get tax cuts that are three times larger from Obama than from McCain," Furman said. "And the McCain plan gives nearly one-quarter of its benefits to households making more than $2.8 million annually - the top 0.1%."

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior economic adviser to McCain, noted that the report does not take into account the spending reforms - such as eliminating earmarks - that are central to McCain's strategy to support tax relief and help reduce the deficit.

One of the center's co-directors, William Gale, conceded in a conference call that "if McCain succeeds (in achieving his proposed spending cuts), the fiscal cost of his plan does go down."

But spending cuts can be politically difficult to achieve, said Len Burman, the Tax Policy Center's director.

Holtz-Eakin characterized McCain's plan as one geared toward "reshaping federal bureaucracies and protecting taxpayers' money. [His] plan is based on kicking down doors in Washington, and delivering tax dollars back to the American taxpayers who are struggling with record gas prices, soaring food costs and a down economy."

Not the final word

Williams said the Tax Policy Center analysis should be viewed as a work in progress. Researchers plan to update it as they get more information about the plans from the campaigns and if the candidates introduce new tax policies between now and Election Day.

The center will also incorporate the tax elements of McCain's and Obama's health care proposals when they update their findings.

How the candidates' tax plans would affect economic growth is an open question. "It depends on how the deficits are closed," Burman said.

Tax studies have shown that when tax cuts are deficit funded and they're paid for by raising taxes in the future, "the economy is worse off than if you didn't cut at all," Burman said."


2. The Iraq War and foreign relations. I would had never sent a full scale troop movement into Iraq and neither would had Barack Obama. I'm tired of visiting my second home in SE Asia and seeing scowls on the faces once the natives have figure out that I'm an American. Obama has greater respect and more of a positive perception internationally than other candidiates.

3. Barack Obama demonstrated through a hard fought long primary with Hillary Clinton, and consistently throughout all the debates with McCain, to have the superb temperament of presidential candidate. Of course, which confers the fact that he is highly educated and sets a fine example for the upcoming younger generation. Speaking of education I also like the fact that Obama will reform No Child Left Behind. Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Education (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/)


4. Insurance. Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Health Care (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/)


"Make Health Insurance Work for People and Businesses - Not Just Insurance and Drug Companies.

*Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions so all Americans regardless of their health status or history can get comprehensive benefits at fair and stable premiums.

*Create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to help small businesses provide affordable health insurance to their employees.

*Lower costs for businesses by covering a portion of the catastrophic health costs they pay in return for lower premiums for employees.

*Prevent insurers from overcharging doctors for their malpractice insurance and invest in proven strategies to reduce preventable medical errors.

*Make employer contributions more fair by requiring large employers that do not offer coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of their employees health care.

*Establish a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress that will allow individuals and small businesses to buy affordable health coverage.

*Ensure everyone who needs it will receive a tax credit for their premiums.

Reduce Costs and Save a Typical American Family up to $2,500 as reforms phase in:

*Lower drug costs by allowing the importation of safe medicines from other developed countries, increasing the use of generic drugs in public programs and taking on drug companies that block cheaper generic medicines from the market

*Require hospitals to collect and report health care cost and quality data

*Reduce the costs of catastrophic illnesses for employers and their employees.

*Reform the insurance market to increase competition by taking on anticompetitive activity that drives up prices without improving quality of care.

*The Obama-Biden plan will promote public health. It will require coverage of preventive services, including cancer screenings, and increase state and local preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.

A Commitment to Fiscal Responsibility: Barack Obama will pay for his $50 - $65 billion health care reform effort by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for Americans earning more than $250,000 per year and retaining the estate tax at its 2009 level."

5. Pro-Choice. I prefer the window of decision available to raped victims or when the mother's loss of life is at high risk.

6. Barack Obama is extremely family orientated and faithful to his wife. I accept that he will treat the nation under his leadership the same.

7. Barack Obama's energy plan will help create millions of new jobs.

Barack Obama's Energy Plan Will Create MILLIONS Of American Jobs « Let Us Talk (http://letustalk.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/barack-obamas-energy-plan-will-create-millions-of-american-jobs/)

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | New Energy for America (http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy_more)


Obama specifically wants to address the aging infrastructure in our country that has been too long neglected making way for more new jobs.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Economy (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/)

lil stevie
Nov 3, 2008, 11:25 PM
I vote by president not by party... the democrat government is a good government it allows the fedral govermen to be more involed... in this time of need we need the fedral government 2 help the people.

lil stevie
Nov 3, 2008, 11:28 PM
I know who's going to and I know that the new president is going to be tested for example the berlin wall