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CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 01:13 PM
:confused: just got a 96 honda civic ex auto from this guy that couldn't get it started... I got it for cheap... my question is why does it just crank but won't start... he told me he was driving it and it just died on him... he replaced the whole distributer... I don't know if it's the relay,map sensor ,fuel pump?? Please help.. I do know where to start?? :-(

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 03:31 PM
You likely got a steal! Perform the tests, in Sections A and B below, and you'll love your new purchase even more, once you get it running:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563.html

If the Check Engine Light comes on and goes off after two seconds, when the ignition switch is turned to ON, I would focus on the Ignition Control Module (ICM) and coil. The previous owner may have installed an inferior aftermarket distributor. We have had many new aftermarket distributors not work on Hondas.

If there are no codes being thrown, the problem is likely distributor-related. There's a good shot replacing the ICM and coil will solve the problem:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563-4.html#post265896

You should have the car back on the road in no time.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 04:00 PM
The whole distributer was replaced with an oem one from junk yard... any othr options

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 04:04 PM
Go through all of the tests in Sections A and B, beginning by checking all under-dash and under-hood fuses:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563-3.html#post252145

Even though it was an OEM distributor housing, I bet the ICM and/or the coil are bad.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 04:09 PM
Ill explain exactly what I experienced
Ok: when I turn the key to on the engine light goes on and turns off in 2 second.. and I could hear the fuel pump and the click from the main relay... and it cranks but don't catch... I check for spark on all four wire and I have spark... what are the chances that I could be my main relay or my computer...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 04:18 PM
Since the CEL comes on and goes out normally, the odds are it is NOT main relay or ECM-related. Even more so, I suspect the distributor. ICMs and coils are very problematic on Hondas. It's possible to have spark, but it doesn't spark at the right time, if there's a problem with the ICM or distributor housing. AutoZone can test ICMs for free.

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 04:22 PM
I recommend replacing the ICM, coil, and main relay, however, on all Hondas that have 120,000 miles or 10 years on them.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 04:23 PM
So I should take off my whole distributer to auto zone and have them check it..? I'm not really clear on the distributer? So I don't have to get a new one just replace the coil... sorry to ask this but what does the ICM.. WHERE is it and what do I take to auto zone..?

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 04:28 PM
So I still replace the main relay..? OK what is the ICM.. COIL?? IM SORRY FOR THIS...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 04:50 PM
If you got a really, really good deal on the car, I would replace the distributor with a new, Genuine Honda distributor. It will come with a new Ignition Control Module and coil. Most Honda distributors go out around 90,000 miles, due to bearing failure. If you replace the whole distributor and main relay, you will likely restore like-new performance and reliability to the car. Shop online and get the best price you can for these components.

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:00 PM
You may want to get an experienced friend or mechanic to help you with the work.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 05:01 PM
I'm going over my friend s house now to put my main relay on his car to see if his car starts that way ill know if it's the main relay.. He has the same car same year... is this a good idea?? And then I'm going to take my coil to auto zone to get it check ill keep updated.. ill sigh on tonight and let you know what the results were... ok...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:05 PM
AutoZone can usually test ICMs, not coils. Still, I have known of many ICMs that AutoZone has tested and said were okay that ended up being bad. That's why I would go new. Since your CEL comes on and goes out after 2 seconds, when the ignition switch is turned to ON, I wouldn't pull the main relay out at this point. I'm pretty certain your problem is solely with the distributor. If there are no codes being thrown, and you put a gun to my head and said you have one chance to diagnose what's wrong, I would say replace the ICM and coil. Replacing ICMs and coils is bread and butter business for most Honda dealers--they replace many every day.

Alternatively, if your friend has the same engine, install his distributor in your car.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 05:10 PM
I called them and they said they can't test the distributer only the coil... mmm ill call another autozone... so do I take apart my distributer or no what do I need to test

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:24 PM
Follow the link I gave you on how to replace the ICM and coil. Remove the coil first from the distributor, then the ICM. Most AZO stores can test ICMs on their Well's Machine. Again, I don't place much faith in bench testing these components, since I've seen many instances where they test okay but don't work. Now, I prefer to recommend that people just replace the ICM and coil. ICMs have sophisticated computer chips inside and they, along with coils, get destroyed by heat. Be sure to read about applying heat-transfer silicone grease to the back of the ICM.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 05:32 PM
Yeah the icm is $101 the ignition coil is$89 total $198 a distributer at auto zone is $209 might as well get the new one... ill get it done and get back to you... hope this fixs it... ill let you know...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:33 PM
Okay. That solution will be easier for you. Be sure to mark the distributor housing and mount, before you remove it, in order that the timing will be fairly close when you install the new one. This link will tell you what you need to do:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563-4.html#post288473

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 05:44 PM
What you mean a line housing and mount I read the link but I don't get it

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:50 PM
Take a metal ruler and awl and mark a line across the top of the distributor base mount (above top mounting bolt) and the corresponding point on the engine. Then, mark the new distributor base mount and align the two marks, when you install the new distributor. This will ensure the timing is very close.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 05:56 PM
What can happen if the timing is wrong

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 21, 2008, 05:58 PM
You will likely get it close enough, which can be fine-tuned later. However, it can affect performance by having the timing too far retarded or too advanced.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 21, 2008, 06:03 PM
OK ill try it thanks

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
OK hear is the deal... I took my distributer off and it turns out that the distributer is for a 98 honda civic 4 door non v-tec... my car is a 96two door honda civic ex 1.6l vtec I looked on the distributer and it shows this TD-80U... I searched this part and it tells me this is for a 97 -98 non v-tec.. counld this be why my car won't start and can you tell me the model number I should have... the model number I found on the distributer it's self... please help...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 22, 2008, 01:08 PM
That could do it. Call Honda and get the part no. for the distributor your car should have.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 22, 2008, 01:43 PM
I did they said it the same one for 96 98 they were telling me it might be the timing.. what you think??

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 22, 2008, 05:09 PM
Possible, but not likely.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 22, 2008, 08:02 PM
OK well most people including yourself has told me is the ignition coil so that's what I'm going to replace... ill let you know if I fixed my problem.?

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 24, 2008, 02:45 PM
OK update... I change the distributer and got new plugs and wires but its still doing the same thing... any other thing it could be?? Is there a ceartain way to install the distributer... maybe I installed in wrong... I heard there is a timing on that>?? I don't know out of options PLEASE TXGRESSEMONKEY... HELP ME...

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 24, 2008, 06:50 PM
If you installed a brand new distribubor and it still doesn't start, go back and perform all the tests in Sections A and B of the Sticky. Be sure to check all under-dash and under-hood fuses with a test light or multimeter.

CLUB2CIVIC
Oct 25, 2008, 02:30 PM
OK its running now... I just took it to honda... it turns out tha my timing belt was off by 5 teeth so
They took it off and ajusted the timing an good to go... I only paid $118

TxGreaseMonkey
Oct 25, 2008, 02:33 PM
Pretty amazing. Do you know how it got off by 5 teeth? Regardless, you got a good deal on the car.