Has anyone else seen this rumor?":

snopes.com: Joe Biden Stepping Down for Hillary Clinton (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp)

Rumor, nothing but rumor.

The Republicans are pulling all stops out, I see...
Is there panic in their ranks??

:rolleyes:

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Hello Rick:

It ain't going to happen. It would be an admission by the Dems that Sarah Palin appeals to the same women that Hillary appeals to. That just isn't so. It's what the Republicans HOPE is so. That's why they chose her, but it ain't. Or at least that's what they SAID. The fact is, she appeals to the right wing base, and the right wing are NOT Hillary supporters.

In addition, a move such as that would be viewed as a losers ploy - sort of like a hail Mary pass - sort of like what McCain did in choosing Palin in the first place. And, he did it BECAUSE he's losing. It was strictly a political ploy too. It has NOTHING to do with "country first". It has to do with McCain first. But, I digress.

Obama is winning. He doesn't need a hail Mary. All he has to do is NOT make a mistake. McCain is self destructing. If our recent crisis would have been about security instead of the economy, McCain would have been ahead.

excon

I agree, it is only a rumor.

First of all, Hillary and Obama can't get along.

Second, Obama can't admit what a political mistake it was to choose Biden over Hillary.

Third, neither Hillary nor Obama are willing to play 2nd fiddle to the other.

Ain't going to happen.

Elliot

I mentioned that rumor in this posting :
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politics/democratic-party-soft-win-election-261022.html

Bobby said I was on some kind of narcotics.

Bill Clinton shot the rumor down today on The View. People that start rumors like this (or perpetuate such rumors) are so far from reality they have to be in an altered state.

Rumor

I seen it brought up on CNN one day, but the reporter knew it wasn't true. She just trying to show that the parties are starting to play dirty. It was a report that was taken out of context.

I got this e-mail today (will not vouch for accuracy or source) :

Let me share some info with you that I have gotten from excellent sources within the DNC:
On or about October 5 Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2. [This will avoid Hillary having to bear an hour of unflattering side-by-side comparison to Sarah Palin.]
There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. Generally, the feeling is that we should all get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem" cited in those articles was an aneurysm. Probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this Obama strategy will be a go.
Therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.
So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the Obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post it on websites and blogs - etc etc
Lastly, I have put an excerpt from Rudy Giuliani's speech at the 2008 RNC below - it seems to address this very issue: "Well, I'll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I'd want to get that VEEP thing in writing!!! " (How Prophetic)


Question: Does this maneuver fall under the category of

Change! Change we can believe in!
Change we can hardly believe!
Change - because Sarah's whipping my !
Change - because picking that Old White Lifelong Liar Guy was a boneheaded blunder!
All of the above?
So is this the traditional "October Surprise"? I can just imagine what deals the Clintons are getting - in writing - to go along with this scam! At least her campaign debt will be paid off, - probably with a bonus. Probably Bill gets to be SecState after all. Maybe Chelsea gets to fill Hillary's Senate seat. The possibilities are mind-boggling!
But given what happens to the friends of the Clintons, - Obama should ask for a lot more Secret Service protection!
Ain't Democracy fun!?

Question: Does this maneuver fall under the category of

Change! Change we can believe in!
Change we can hardly believe!
Change - because Sarah’s whipping my !
Change - because picking that Old White Lifelong Liar Guy was a boneheaded blunder!
All of the above?Hello again, tom:

C: This rumor/"maneuver", falls into the category of Republican hope.

excon

send this info out to as many people as you can - post it on websites and blogs
That should be your cue that it's a load of crap. I mean c'mon "forward this to all your friends"?? Geez.

Like I said ;I did not vouch for accuracy or source. But I do vouch for the person who sent it to me.

Biden has messed up again. One of Obama's commercials mocking McCain was, in Biden's opinion "Terrible".

... but after a [no doubt] butt chewing by O. he changed his story:
The Associated Press: Biden says ad mocking McCain is 'terrible' (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5idAu75NA23JLRYgG20wf4pAowpGAD93C985O0)

It would not surprise me at all, based on all the evidence (and certainly not foremost the Hillary rumor) to see Obama's running mate change for whatever reason.

... not predicting it - just saying in advance that I would not be surprised :)

Wasn't it Rudy Giuliani who suggested at the RNC that Biden get that whole VP thing in writing because Obama has never taken a position he didn't change? Maybe his joke will turn out to be prophetic.

Elliot

... because Obama has never taken a position he didn't change? Can't the same be said for McCain? Why yes, yes it can.

Interesting . The Politico points out that Obama and Biden have had a couple of public disagreements in the last week.
Obama may scale back promises - Mike Allen - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13779.html)


Obama was interviewed by Lauer on Monday in Green Bay, Wis.

The Democrat attacked Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for initially opposing the federal government's intervention to save insurance giant AIG.

"I think what has been clear during this entire past 10 days is John McCain has not had clarity and a grasp on the situation," Obama said.

But Lauer pointed out that Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), had initially said the same thing -- on "Today," no less.

"I think that in that situation, I think Joe should have waited, as well," Obama said.

And this :

It's very rare for one ticket mate to publicly second-guess the other. But on the “CBS Evening News” on Monday, Biden had chastised his own campaign for a TV ad portraying McCain as a computer illiterate. Biden backed off his criticism of the ad in a statement the campaign released three hours later.


Hmmmmmm .

interesting . The Politico points out that Obama and Biden have had a couple of public disagreements in the last week. ...

Joe Voter sees it too. Frankly I'm glad that O picked the bumbling and oft too honest Biden as his running mate. It will help the right side :)

Speaking of Biden messing up again...


Biden garbles Depression history (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_garbles_Depression_history.html?showall)

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"

Maybe Hoover was in New Pennsylvania at the time?

Haha, and don't forget that his state was a slave state :)

... but hey, what do I know. Maybe it was and I just wasn't aware of that fact.

I've been wrong before. I did not know until a few years ago that Al Gore "took the initiative in creating the Internet" :)

McCain invented the Blackberry! :D

No he didn't. I did! :)

McCain invented the Blackberry! :D

He never made such a claim, NK.


NBC Takes Dig at McCain Tech-Savvy, Distorts Adviser’s Blackberry Comments (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2008/09/17/nbc-takes-dig-mccain-tech-savvy-distorts-adviser-s-blackberry-comments)
Photo of Jeff Poor.
By Jeff Poor (Bio | Archive)
September 17, 2008 - 12:03 ET

Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, Ariz. has acknowledged his technological shortcomings, but some in the media continue to portray him as a techno-phobe with no meaningful contributions to that sector of the economy.

The September 16 "NBC Nightly News" examined McCain's rhetoric on the campaign trail in the wake of a serious banking crisis. Correspondent Kelly O'Donnell reported one campaign advisor cited McCain's legislative effort opening the door to technological advancements as evidence of his ability to steer Americans through the turbulent time.

"And Brian, when an adviser today was stressing John McCain's economic credentials, he told reporters that McCain quote ‘helped make this little miracle happen' - the Blackberry or cell phone - citing his work on the Commerce Committee," O'Donnell said.

O'Donnell was referring to remarks made by McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin, which now many media outlets have distorted make it seem McCain claimed to have invented the Blackberry.

"He did this," Holtz-Eakin said in Miami on September 16, while holding up a Blackberry. "The premier innovation in the past 15 years comes right through the Commerce Committee. You're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create and that's what he did."

Rather than explore McCain's work on the Commerce committee and any influence he may have had over technological innovations, O'Donnell dismissed the adviser's claim as a mistake.

O'Donnell's segment and other reports about McCain claiming to have invented the Blackberry are similar to mimicking an anti-McCain ad bashing approved by Barack Obama.

"He admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail, still doesn't understand the economy and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class," the TV ad said.

The media had previously been complimentary to McCain's tech savvy - prior to his 2008 presidential bid.

"In 2000, Forbes magazine called him the ‘Senate's savviest technologist,'" Goldberg wrote. "That same year, Slate's Jacob Weisberg gushed that McCain was the most ‘cybersavvy' of all the presidential candidates that year, a crop that included none other than Al Gore. Being chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, Weisberg explained, ‘forced him to learn about the Internet early on, and young Web entrepreneurs such as Jerry Yang and Jeff Bezos fascinate him.'"

He never made such a claim, NK.God you're easy to bait. LOL! Of course he didn't, he can't even use a computer without aid. Just like Gore never claimed he invented the internet but you didn't right that wrong quote did you?

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God you're easy to bait. LOL! Of course he didn't, he can't even use a computer without aid. Just like Gore never claimed he invented the internet but you didn't right that wrong quote did you?

You give yourself way too much credit. The whole Gore thing is old news and if anyone still believes he claimed to invent the internet they should get out more (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp). I have no problem acknowledging his contributions because I have no problem acknowledging facts. How about you?

P.S. Why should I really care if McCain is computer savvy? Neither is my dad... but he's the most intelligent person I know and he can fix or build damn near anything.

The Left have to nit-pick since there are not enough real issues to address on the Pub side. When they do find something, their own candidate is less informed than the opposition.

God you're easy to bait. LOL! Of course he didn't, he can't even use a computer without aid. Just like Gore never claimed he invented the internet but you didn't right that wrong quote did you?

Gore said, as I quoted it, that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet"

Here are scads of sources citing it:
"took the initiative in creating the Internet" - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=%22took+the+initiative+in+creating+the+Internet% 22&btnG=Google+Search)

Do you disagree?

Do you disagree?

mccain + invented blackberry - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mccain+%2B+invented+blackberry&btnG=Search)

What's there to deny? McCain didn't say it.

If we want to count on what others say, then we should take another look at Obama's legislative accomplishments (according to one of his own top guys):

PGeu_4Ekx-o

Wow, it's so much fun how childish this all is. I know McCain didn't say it, just like we all know that Gore didn't invent the internet. Why are you spending time on this?

But the rebuttal to your video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/to-those-who-question-oba_b_87970.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/dear-chris-matt.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4519993

Touché.
Politics. Ain't it great :)

It's interesting - I get to contrast american-style versus canadian-style since we've announced a federal election as well.

So you're getting some good practice :)

While the candidates may do strange things (spot the weird behaviour headline here (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/)) the supporters are not nearly as antagonistic toward each other.

Often here it is the opposite. Take, for example, the rude and even violent protest that went on outside the Republican's Convention.

I'd characterize the supporters going back and forth as being typically uglier than the candidates words and actions themselves.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/DION_SC.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DION_SC.jpg)

Tom, you'd have to understand the French-English / Canada-Québec situation to fully appreciate where that cartoon was published ("La Presse"). Also it appeared on Aug. 13, 1997.
People may have ill will feelings towards a candidate but not towards the supporters of that candidate.

No doubt.

I think you may have a distorted view of the American elections because of the passions of the people on this and other internet sites. The truth is that most Americans are nowhere's near as interested or passionate about the elections . The period between the conventions and the elections are when most people even raise an eyebrow .

My neighbors my guess would be majority Obama supporters . However ,we are very cordial and friendly and have taken political action together despite our philosophical differences at the local level when our shared interests compelled our participation.

Otherwise we are more than content to share a beer and a bar-b-que dinner ,and to generally look out for each other .Normally politics is not the main conversation . This time of year my biggest battles are with my Washington Redskin fanatic neighbor.

Otherwise we are more than content to share a beer and a bar-b-que dinner

Here too :)

I don't make waves with family or close friends. I like the partial anonymity of the internet to voice my real thoughts.

As far as ill feelings towards the politicians goes ;Kissenger said it best :
“ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.”

Good one. And semi related:

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Winston Churchill

Just heard another grassy-knoll type theory about the 'Biden selection . Here's the scenario:

The Bambino decides no-way -no -how can he trust Evita on his ticket. But he needs the Clintoons support so there was a pow-wow. He breaks the news to her ,and to soften the blow solicits her opinion on who he should select that would be mutually acceptable to him and her.

The Clintoons in an act of pure vindictiveness suggest the poision-pill Joe Biden. Back then if you will recall Evita's support was not threatened by the emergence of Sarah Palin so there was no reason to not sabotage the OBama campaign. He would lose the general election freeing her to run an "I told you so " campaign in 2012.

The only unresolved issue in that scenario is if Biden is a willing participant in the plot ;a willful idiot... or is Biden just being Biden?

NK, as tom and Rick noted most of us get along just fine. Heck, I'd even sit down and have a beer and BBQ with you :)

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -H.L. Mencken

That quote doesn't apply to Canadian politics - we don't live in fear here nor do our politicians cultivate that atmosphere.

That quote doesn't apply to Canadian politics - we don't live in fear here nor do our politicians cultivate that atmosphere.

No, you'd rather cultivate it here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/mccain-id-spy-americans-secretly-too-223160.html).

Am I a politician?

you = fail at smearing.

Am I a politician?

you = fail at smearing.

It’s interesting how you nitpick details when it’s expedient for you but ignore them when they’re not. Here’s the point, NK, you throw bombs at us all day then condescendingly portray Canadians including you as above the fray. Politician or not, you obviously enjoy fear-mongering and smearing everything you don’t like about the U.S. including us personally. That’s being a good neighbor isn’t it? I may have to reconsider what I said before, I’m not sure you could set aside your differences long enough to have a beer and get along for a while.

You sound bi-polar. You come out of nowhere and accuse me of being a fear mongerer (sp?) on this site then say you'd have a beer with me. Thank god for the anonymity of the internet at times.

And yes, Canadians are above what you guys do, generally speaking.

You sound bi-polar. You come out of nowhere and accuse me of being a fear mongerer (sp?) on this site then say you'd have a beer with me. Thank god for the anonymity of the internet at times.

And yes, Canadians are above what you guys do, generally speaking.

LOL, right on cue ignoring the details. I tried to show I could set aside our differences before you insulted me with "you = fail at smearing." You have it backwards. So just one question, which of us at least made a gesture of goodwill and which of us ignored it?