There have been a number of questions posted about the shadow people phenomenon. Have any of you tried to find or contact the shadow people? I am wondering if anyone here has investigated this phenomenon themselves, or knows someone who has?

I have started looking into this for the last month or so. If there is anyone who would like to team up so we can investigate this together, drop me a line. I'd ideally like to work with other people with shamanic or psychic training and abilities, although different perspectives, such as the more skeptical/ghosthunter approach, are welcome, too.

So far, my investigation through shamanic journeywork and dreamwork supports the idea that they are alien, from another realm or dimension. They seem to be exploring, learning about earth, learning about us. What they plan to do once they feel their knowledge is complete remains to be seen. I've been finding them in the upper worlds, but not very high up. The level is close, just a little way above the midworlds. They move fast, too fast to see or follow easily. I have to up my resonance frequency (not sure how else to describe it), then I can see them and track them.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.

That is a very good theory. I like that.

That is a very good theory. I like that.

So, want to join the Justice League, then? And defend our world against invading aliens? ;) Anyone who is a "space case" has the credentials in my book!

Thanks, I'd love to but it is a little far away for me to drive.I live in Southern California. The reason for the name "Space Case" is on account of being chosen to have been allowed to see one of those beautiful ,yet scary Flying Saucers with my own eyes. Matter of fact, two of my sisters and my brother were also allowed to witness it. Pretty scary at the time,but I sure wish I could see it again. Unbelievable! Also our Dad was the first origonal designers of the Columbia Space Shuttle.He then went on to present the design for the plane of the future, known as the Stealth. He loved the shape of the Flying Wing,and that is how the shape of the Stealth came to be.All of that plus being finely in tuned with the spirit world could only mean one thing, "Space Case"!

[QUOTE=sandyspacecase]Thanks, I'd love to but it is a little far away for me to drive.QUOTE]

Actually I was envisioning working with people around the country/world. While someday it would be nice for us to have a hidden base filled with supercomputers and our special supersonic jet (perhaps designed by your family), we can start just getting together by e-mail (or astrally, if we prefer). All tongue-in-cheek allusions to the works of Stan Lee aside, we live in interesting times, and if enough people who are "finely tuned to the spirit world" got together, we might be able to make a difference. The shadow people are only one topic we could collectively address.

Whatcha think?

I could do that. Yes, I have seen shadow people in my house. I usually get mad at them for peeking around corners at me. They are very sneeky but I know they are there,and they know I know. There is at least a couple of them ,maybe three that I catch peeping at me . They make me mad and I tell them to stuff it.

So far, my investigation through shamanic journeywork and dreamwork supports the idea that they are alien, from another realm or dimension. They seem to be exploring, learning about earth, learning about us. What they plan to do once they feel their knowledge is complete remains to be seen. I've been finding them in the upper worlds, but not very high up. The level is close, just a little way above the midworlds. They move fast, too fast to see or follow easily. I have to up my resonance frequency (not sure how else to describe it), then I can see them and track them.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.
Any chance you could send/show me how you came to your hunches i.e your work and its results, and how you came to think they are alien or even that there are shadow people? Also what do you mean by upper and mid worlds? Thanks

I would like to join my husband thinks "ive lost my mind" but he doesn't realize all the abnormal things that have happened to me throughout my life.

I was wondering if any of you have actually seen a flying saucer? And Alder,how did you ever come to that idea ? Things like that ,Shadow People were never seen by me before seeing that Saucer or space car. Lostandlonely ,what have you been through that might seen abnomal? I like Alders idea of another demention,and it very well could be true.

Things moving, seeing and hearing things, pulling people into my dreams and they wake up with the same dream. And some more

Cool! Well Alder, when am I going to hear more about your Idea?

Sorry to have been incommunicado for a while guys. My father had surgery and I've been helping take care of him. Kind of a more than full time job. Anyway, he's improving, and I'm getting back to my regular life a bit, which is nice.

Thanks to all of you who have checked in. I'll be happy to share the experiences I've had with the shadow people so far. The last one was much as you describe, Sandy. One of them followed me home (can I keep him, ma?). It was moving fast around my bedroom like a bat, or the shadow of a bat, on the walls and ceiling. I didn't exactly get mad at it, but I took hold of my spirit staff and kind of stared it down.

Lostandlonely--interesting gift of dreamwalking. Particularly that you don't see yourself as walking into their dreams, but of pulling them into yours. I am a Dreamer, too.

Alder,
Glad Pop is doing well. Gee guy's, you talk about dreams, mine are so vivid
I start sleepwalking big time! I even walked a representitive around our pool while he was giving me an estamite on putting in new tiles! Thought I was dreaming,but oh my god, I actually did that . Oh course I didn't find out until I phoned him to ask why he hadn't shown up for our appointment. He thought I was crazy that I didn't remember one single thing about it. Another time, While at work, I witnessed a thief stealing from my tool department. I just can't let a thief steal from me ,so I went in hot pursuit and started chasing him. I started running as fast as I could as he was gaining distance from me. Just as I picked up speed, I hit the living room wall ! What a wake up! I split my head wide open but waited until the next morning to get stiches. It took eighteen to sew me back together again. Sleepwalking only started after I was allowed to see one of their saucers. Their Flying Transport Units that is. I always wondered if that had something to do about it. Other times,things I dream about come true. It is like somebody with inside information tells me about it before hand. Some of these things aren't very pleasant and wished I couldn't know about them. Then there is stupid stuff ,like being able to tell what my sister is holding in her hands while on the phone . She lives three hundred and fifty miles away. She seems kind of supprized when what I tell her is exactly what she has . As for all those people running around in my house, they are playing tricks on me . They take stuff that I just set down,then when I go to pick it up again, it is gone. (Oooh!) After searching for what I had,There it will be in plain sight again. They love to run around just so I can see them out of the corner of my eyes,then are gone when I look. I do have a bad boy though, and he loves the ouija board I made. He also loves to spell dirty ,nasty words. I don't like that guy very much. I do have a photograph of two very evil things that I caught on my phones camera. If I could figure out how to add it on,I would. Those things are evil,as one has the head of a horse with wings,the other has horns on it's head. They are standing on top of a brick or block wall overlooking a graveyard. Wished you could tell me what you think of the picture.

I've had occasional sleepwalking and hypnagogic type stuff happening to me since I was little. Maybe "narcoleptic" is just another word for "shaman in training"? ;)

I've been dreaming true, i.e. dreaming things and then they happened in the waking world, since I was a child, too. I'll see if I can get a chance today to post what I've experienced checking out the shadow folks (and having them check out me) so far. My most recent incident, when one came into my house, happened in a hypnagogic state.

One of the questions I wanted to develop in this discussion is whether we want to continue to use this forum. Maybe an e-mail group or something would work better. It would be nice to be able to upload photos and things. Also there's the question of how public we want this container to be. It has occurred to me that maybe the shadow dudes know how to surf the web (or have human allies who do).

You know,theymust.

Thanks to all three of you who checked in. Pleasure to meet you!

Lost, I do want to hear more about your dreaming ability. Have you done anything along the lines of training or honing that natural talent? Hope your husband can be understanding about it all. I'm blessed with a spouse who is quite openminded about my crazy life.

Albear, to answer your question, when people do shamanic journeying or spirit traveling, no matter where they are or in what cultural tradition, they have remarkably similar experiences (which lends credence to the idea that where they are going is a real place). The usual place to go to in a journey is the lower worlds, worlds you get to by going down into a hole or cave or hollow tree or wishing well or whatever. Then there are the worlds here, the mid-worlds, and the upper worlds that you access by flying up into the air. Looking at the brochures and what-not of various shamanic teachers, it seems that most consider upper world journeying to be a bit more advanced. They usually teach it later in the program. I agree with that (I have seen beginners get airsick on their first upperworld journeys). So, anyway, when I said "I found them in the upper worlds, but a low-upper level," I was kind of talking jargon. The problem with doing this kind of spiritual work is that modern American English just doesn't have very good terms for a lot of this. I find that my friends and I spend a lot of time asking each other, What do you mean by that?

Sandy--that spirit that spells swears on your ouija board is a stitch! Maybe it wants to try out for the part of Peeves in the next Harry Potter movie...

Ok, here's what I've been up to so far with regard to the shadow people. I started hearing about them on this site and elsewhere, and became curious. A lot of people seem to say they sense these things are different than human ghosts, and my hunch was that's so. Just a hunch, but sometimes that small inner voice is worth listening to.

So I decided to investigate, but then just sat back for a few weeks to let the Universe show me where to start. I've hinted to some of the people who have written in to this site about shadow people that I'd like to visit them (in the flesh or otherwise) and check it out, but so far no one's taken me up on the offer.

So after I had sat with this intention for a couple of weeks, I had a dream one night.

The dream focused on plumbing, pipes, septic tanks, real "Dirty Jobs" kind of stuff. I think the symbolism there is that I was shifting my consciousness to a very primal or "underground" level, getting into the infrastructure of reality. But then there were these swarms of black dots, about the size and shape of medicine capsules but black, all flying through the air like a school of fish swimming. At one point they were going into or coming out of a broken pipe.

I had the sense that these were shadow people, or something like the shadow people's germs, or maybe mitochondria. I tried to contact them, touch them, help them somehow, and they turned gold. Or rather they were still black, but with a gold shinyness.

In the dream I had a strong sense that these were good things, that it would be very bad if they got lost or disappeared. When I woke up, I felt very energized by having been in contact with them.

About a week after this dream, it felt like the time was right to do some journeywork on this, so I set up sacred space around me, called on my power animals and various spirit guides, told them the intention of the journey, and began drumming to enter shamanic trance.

I recall I had some discussion with my power animals about safety, about how "hidden" to be in doing this. Essentially, I wanted to observe, but not interact with the shadow beings in this first journey. (this is typical--my power animals often spend some time at the beginning of a journey helping me get clear on exactly what the intention is).

So I went to a Nexus that accesses many different worlds and spoke to the guardian of the place, telling him I wanted to go to where the shadow people are. He directed me upwards, but not an extremely high level. I sensed the shadow people (SP's) were going by, but they were rushing past at tremendous speed, blowing me away as they zipped by. Every time I tried to see them, get close, the force of their passing kind of knocked me away, discombobulated me, so I was losing intention, almost falling out of the trance entirely. I checked in with my power animals and they had me focus on them instead of the shadow people as the shadow people went by. They encouraged me to hold tight to my alder staff, and just get back to the basics of shamanic journeywork: focus, attention, intention, trust.

I try again, but I still get knocked aside as they blow by. I ask the power animals why the SP's are in such a hurry. My power animals connect with me and help me get "revved up." My metabolism, synapses, vibration are pushed up above normal human level, not quite to the SP's level, so I won't fully materialize to the SP's (my animals thought that would be good for two reasons--first, it's hard on a human to get going that fast, and second, then the SP's wouldn't notice me as much; to them I'd be like a shadow or a ghost).

So the SP's flew by and instead of being blown away, I “drifted” in their wake, sucked along behind. We came suddenly into a dining room/kitchen of an ordinary house or apartment. At first I thought maybe it was my own house, but then I saw there was a "bar" style kitchen counter between the living room and kitchen. It looked like a typical modern apartment, one or two bedroom. There were 4 or 5 shadow people there, exploring. The human owner of the apartment seemed to be out, perhaps asleep back in the bedroom? The shadow people were looking in the cupboards, the cookie jar, checking out the sofa and the computer desk. I was trying to get a sense whether they were just curious or looking for something in particular.

One of them came toward me. It was wearing a cloak or something, with crinkly folds of dark material that covered its whole body. I very gently sent a small flicker of energy toward it. The energy touched the lower part of its cloak (knee level) and that part got silvery shiny for a moment. I thought perhaps that more energy would make it gold, like the shadow people pills in my dream, but I didn't want to engage it that directly. I checked with my power animals, and they were also hesitant about trying to make contact.

So then I came back to myself, doing the usual things one does like making sure I retraced my steps getting back. I thought a little about doing something tricky to cover my tracks or create a boundary to keep them from following me back to my house, but I didn't. I should warn you guys, that's typical behavior for me. I hate to say reckless... My friend/mentor Lang calls me a "curiosity killed the cat kind of guy." I figured I would just see whether they were able to detect that I had been spying on them, and see whether they would follow me home.

So nothing happened for about a week or two, but then last week, just before going to Portland for my dad's surgery, I woke up one night but was still in a dream state (I'm sure you know what that's like). I saw something flickering around the ceiling and walls of the bedroom. It was a little dark clot of shadow, but had a spot of light to it, like a raccoon's eye. My first thought was it was a bat, a waking world live bat that had gotten in the house. So I jumped out of bed and turned on the lamp, and didn't see it there on the wall, but I could see it there on the dream level, so I realized it wasn't a waking world creature.

I summoned my staff to my hand and just sort of stood there and watched it, not threatening it or driving it away, but giving it a kind of steely-eyed Clint Eastwood look that said, only things that have good intention are welcome in my house and around my family, got it? As I became more centered, less startled, it slipped away into the dark.

So what I feel from them is that they are alien, they aren't from around here. They seem to not like bright electric light very much. Human willpower, if focused, seems to be stronger than they are, although I don't know anyone who has really gone head to head with them to find out. It may be possible to try to make contact with them, exchange information, maybe exchange some kind of goodwill gifts. I have the definite hunch that while these things have been around for a long time, they are becoming more active as our world becomes less stable.

So that's my input to date. At this point, here are my questions:

1. What do we do next?

2. Who is "we" in that first question? Do we keep this as a loose association where anyone who wants to can drop by and give some input, and then go their merry way? Or do we form a more defined group of the people who are willing to be part of the project? Related to that is the question I mentioned in my last post: How visible/public do we want to be?

3. Are we re-inventing the wheel? I don't want to start from scratch if there is already someone out there doing this. We could build on their work, share info, maybe even team up with them if they are friendly. Does anyone have some free time to explore around on the internet and see if you can find anyone besides us who is looking into the shadow people phenomenon?

Hope to hear from y'all soon!

Alder

Hi Alder,

It seems to me you have gone very far in your journey and have come up with a lot of great assumptions and educated theories. During your meditation and travel have you meditated with Moldivate as suggested previously? Also you wear Moldivate in combination with Fluorite (Magnifier) that you can attract energy to discover the answers to your questions. I know we talked about this before you made your post and I still maintain what I said about them. Since I have relatively horrible experiences with them Alder for some reason they want to attack me? I pose a threat…I have never met a friendly one…maybe it's me or my energy or maybe I was born on a different star planet some time in my past life? I have interacted with them most of my life; they where the cause of my night tremors. So I don't relate to the peak-a-boo experiences or what are you doing here? Snooping through my things? Notice how two weeks after your initial shamanic journey it came to your home and you said “only positive influences are allowed in my home and around my family can stay” and it went away.

To me, I still draw the conclusion that they are searching for something on this earth and in having said that we can't deny that our history goes back millenniums. So what are they looking for? Something lost in time here on earth? Or in depths of the ocean? Honestly, Alder, I think it is more then what we can conceive... could they be waging or preparing for war? The war in heaven, the first battle, the war on earth, the second battle…then finally a New Heaven and New Earth! Or does anyone believe in that anymore? I am so sure people will think I am crazy and that's ok…we all have a right to believe or take the human logical (scientifically speaking) approach (there is always an explanation for something phenomenal). Maybe some think we just have an overactive imagination? I just stick to the concept that we should all agree to disagree.

I can join you through meditation state, you seem a lot more advanced then me and maybe can play as a guide while I attract and interact with them and if anything should go out of our control…you can pull me out.

1. I think we should launch a site (since internet is one of the most powerful medias)…you live too far away for me or I would say lets start up or own Paranormal State (I love that show). Anyhow, it can start up small then build it into some sort of association for all those in the field (with benefits and incentives. Here we can launch information regarding all phenomena including discoveries/findings, cases, client feedback, help line for clients, footnotes, references and Para-professionals (we are talking about something that will include investment).

2. We, are anyone who wants to join, oh and I just answered this through my first answer with regards to association. Basically, to keep some sort of a commitment we could register it as a legitimate company and have a Board of Members…once this launches and the test site has proven to be successful of course.
3. I just goggled it and there are associations…but not the type of association I have in mind. Each one is different/unique and some sites are undeveloped. I think you have a lot to offer to the table…more then some intrigued and/or inexperienced investigator.

Question to you is how serious and how much time are you willing to dedicate to this?

I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people... I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people...I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

Welcome, Spyderglass! As you can see, we're just in the process of getting organized, here. But we'd love to hear about your experiences, and help if you feel you need help. Can you tell us about your encounters, either on this thread or in a private message to me or April (hope you don't mind me volunteering you, April), if you prefer to not be so public?

My son sees shadow people as well as I. Sometimes it's a black shadowy cat and other times it the man in the hat. Ive been followed as a child by a "man" who could open a locked door with no key and stand there staring at me as a kid. It happened 5 times one summer and as a far as 13 hrs from the first occurrence. Then the dreams of being bit by a vampire and waking up with permant fang marks on my chest where in my dream it bite me. I was around 8 at the time and still have them at 25 in the same place. I remember one dream where I was wearing a pink sweater and blue jeans in the middle of the summer and then everything was set on fire people were running and screaming then a red demon with black horns and fire for eyes appeared and said "first ill get them and then im coming for you" Then there is being attacked in my dreams and waking up with marks on my body where I was attacked. It got to the point where I started pulling people into my dream for comfort. I would scream there name over and over and say come to me or help me then a white wall would appear and a white door. I would open the door and there would be the person I called for, I have watched myself die several times where it is me, then when I'm about to die I switch to third person.

I have died as a child and my spirit animal which is a white cat/tiger was sitting on my chest holing my soul in my body. I remember it very clearly. I spiked a sudden fever on one of my many trips home from seeing my father and had to be left at my grandparents because my parents feared that I wouldn't survive the trip home. I "woke up" couldn't move could hear everything around me. Everything was white and the curtins where blowing like the window was open but it wasn't. Looked outside and everything had a golden tint to it, Saw something jumping through the window. Looked down and cats were jumping through the window and one cat I landed on my chest. The whited most beautiful cat I have ever seen with sapphire eyes landed on my chest. I could feel the weight of him in my chest. I tried to scream but I couldn't and was comforted with it being there.

When my grandmother died, my dad and I both had an angel speak to us mine said "hush child dont cry your grandmother is going to be ok" and his said "your dad needs you now" It was at 2:13 am. When I woke up that morning my uncle told me my grandmother had passed at 2:13am and I said I know. He looked at me weird.

Welcome, Spyderglass! As you can see, we're just in the process of getting organized, here. But we'd love to hear about your experiences, and help if you feel you need help. Can you tell us about your encounters, either on this thread or in a private message to me or April (hope you don't mind me volunteering you, April), if you prefer to not be so public?

Nope... not at all.

I thought I was the only one who saw shadow people...I have only seen them outside though.
I don't know how I would go about investigating them.

No, a lot of people report this, but the interesting thing is how everyone's experience is so unique. Everyone who has encountered them (or can have an open mind) can offer some unusual information to contribute to the entire concept. A lot of people report them outside so what you are saying is completely valid and many people also report them flying from trees to buildings. I would like to hear about more of your stories... if you will? Since I have had nothing but potentially threatening experiences it does not mean they are demonic or anything alike... it could be a useful tool in research. I think you should journal it... more detail is recalled if you write it down and sometimes you can get a little extra help from your guides with additional pointers and ideas. When you do encounter them, observe them and watch how you feel... what is processing through your mind. I think that might be a good start.

Alder, Hello. I'm new to this site. I found it while looking for people investigating shadow people. I believe I know a bit about them and have wanted very badly to do a serious investigation of them but lack funds or mobility to do so. I do notice that there are a lot of versions of shadow people that I have never heard of or encounterd such as demonic or men in top hats etc. I only am interested in the short speedy little guys. There are breed types of them and I do believe them to be other-dimensional and terrified of humans as well as blinded by light. Unlike others on this site and yourself I know nothing of shamanism or new age beliefs. I guess I'm rather down to earth but have had so many run-ins with these little fellas that it's become a bit of an obsession to learn more. I have recorded them running around on my wood floors but alas I don't believe they are capable of speech. I also don't believe they have any ulterior motives what so ever in moving into homes. They just pick a house and stay in the dark corners until seen then panic and move somewhere else. I think they are simple creatures more like playful nervous puppies then plotting and planning creatures. The larger ones (3 1/2 feet) prefer to stay as far from humans as possible and choose abandoned warehouses, prisons, hospitals or homes for the darkness. Maybe you have all moved to a new site to talk but if not I would enjoy some discussion on them.

Alder, sent you a PM, you too April.
Hey Alder could you forward that message to
April? I told her it would be cool- It all relates
To these shadow people.

Spyderglass, I think you were telling me that Alder sent me a private message. I hate to admit it but I am techno challenged and have no clue how to find it! I have clicked on everything I can think of but cannot locate any message. How about a clue for a computer dummy.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.
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I've recently started doing Vipassana Meditation, after which I usually fall into some kind of "state" and leave the medtitaion, a kind of deep place where I get information, sometimes a word is literally spray-painted before me, with a resulting connection to my life, like an answer.

This time, an unusual thing happened, during meditation. And I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"

It spooked me a bit because I heard it distictly, and thought what is this?
It's black and shadowy, so it must be negative, but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

I searched the net and found the concept of "Shadow People" which somehow fits, but I saw and heard him in meditation, unlike all the internet info where people see them in everday "reality" of at night.

Anyone have any insight, any info I'd appreciate your views.

Thanks

No Mokrie, sent a message to April Wine and Alder. All of the shadow people that I have seen were tall and slender, but if they are shadows couldn't they change shape? Are they lost shadows looking for the humans they were attached to? (Humans that passed away). Could they have adapted their own awareness from being in contact with humans?

Dogstar, I don't think you saw shadow people. Maybe your guides were introducing themselves?

I've recently started doing Vipassana Meditation, after which I usually fall into some kind of "state" and leave the medtitaion, a kind of deep place where I get information, sometimes a word is literally spray-painted before me, with a resulting connection to my life, like an answer.

This time, an unusual thing happened, during meditation. And I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"

It spooked me a bit because I heard it distictly, and thought what is this?
It's black and shadowy, so it must be negative, but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

I searched the net and found the concept of "Shadow People" which somehow fits, but I saw and heard him in meditation, unlike all the internet info where people see them in everday "reality" of at night.

Anyone have any insight, any info I'd appreciate your views.

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This one is quite hard to assess... I have been thinking about it and I don't think they are your "personal" guides... and I don't think they are shadow people. For some reason they where trying to connect to you and they have reasons for doing so. I don't believe it is negative because you inidcated you where comfortable so, what do they want? What destiny? Or fate? You indicated that you where trying different meditation techniques and is there anything you have been contimplating about for sometime? A dilema? Or is it hard to make decisions in some area of your personal life? Are you making any spiritual quests or discoveries? If I was you I would ground the meditation and go back. Since you get answers point blank... get the answers to the questions you are seeking.

I have been to that state too... it was wonderful... until I was met something similar to what you describe... black fog and like an angry sob it encircled me in my state. As you know sometimes its hard to get back... you can't just pull out of it, it's contolled. I prayed and got out of there to open my eyes and it went around the corners of the celiing and took all my white candles. I did not feel it was good... but was it truly bad or was it just me facing my own demons. Just something for you to consider and explore because the next time I went in I was grounded... essentually that means... safe and I confronted it. It was probably one of the most scarest thing I have faced because it changed and faces came out of it... I knew that even if they where my own demons... they really scared me and I don't want that influence in my life so I commanded it. I have felt better ever since.

Good grief! It's wonderful to have this much interest. Let's see if I can get caught up with everyone.

Spyderglass, yes, I got your message about some of your experiences. Thanks for that. Sent a reply just now. To everyone, if you want to share something with us, it is totally up to you whether it is something you want to post here for everyone to see, or whether you want to communicate with us privately.

Mokrie, you are the only person I know besides myself who has formed the clear personal intention of setting out to learn more about shadow people specifically. Very cool. And I'm delighted that you didn't approach it from a shamanic or psychic paradigm. The only way we can get perspective and insight about something is to look at it from different angles. If you want to go on working with us, we'd be glad to have you. Send me a private message and I'll let you know my e-mail and we can work from there. We're still in the process of forming the group, figuring out what it is and what it's for as an organization. The way you send me a private message is by moving the arrow over my name with your mouse and clicking it. This opens a little window with different options, including sending a private message.

Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas. In shamanism we have a saying, "Everything is a dream, and all dreams are real." We also have a saying, "Who dreams this dream?" When I'm told something by someone, even an apparently wise and powerful spirit, I retain the freedom to say, "That may be your dream for me and for the world, but I don't have to make it my own." No matter who tells you your destiny, you remain free to weave that destiny how you will. If you have a guru or teacher, check in with that person about how to relate to this being that "claims" it knows your destiny.

Lostandlonely, I know the wall of white mist you speak of. When I was a child I used to dream about a house, sort of like the F.L. Wright Waterfall House. On a lower level, one wall was a wall of white mist. I always sensed that if I went through it, I'd be in someone else's dream. But I was never able to--I'd just wake up. I haven't tried to go there since growing up and learning my art as a Dreamer. I suppose I could if I tried, but that would fall under the heading of another of my favorite sayings, "Power must follow knowledge and serve need." Before I intruded on someone else's dreams, or called them into mine, I would want to be sure who it was, and I would have to have a very good reason for it. I want to talk with you more personally about the other subjects you raise. I'll write to you privately. K?

Whew! I really am enjoying the askmehelpdesk community, and particularly this smaller community of people who have joined this thread. Welcome to you all. To anyone wanting to work with us (so far, "us", the people who have definitively said they want to work together in continuing the investigation, is April and I), let us know. We are still in the discussion of what our group is, how it should be called, who all is in it, how we will communicate with each other, and exactly what we should do next. Anyone who joins now can jump into that discussion. And feel free to share your questions and experiences here even if you aren't looking to join the investigation project. All are welcome!

I'll do what I can to help in the investigation

Alder, I am very serious about study and investigation of shadow people not to be confused with shadows of dead people. I clicked on your name and all that came up was view all of your posts and it said you have no contact information. I really hope to find a way to speak with you as I don't want to give out all information publicly.

My msg wasn't very clear. But I have seen and am aware of the showdow people. I have had contact with them several times...You are right about them being here for the Transformation....or shift that is happening. THey are here on assignment and won't be here long as far as I have been told so far.
Shar

You've spoken with them! You're the first person I've met who has actually communicated. Can you tell us the whole story? How you encountered them, when and where and how they spoke to you? Not sure how to put this--is there a trick to it? Is there some ritual you use for getting in contact with them, or a trance or shift of state of mind that you use to be on the level where you can see and interact with them?

Thanks for writing, Shar! Look forward to hearing more.

I don't care what any one says any being with the ability to freeze a person as well as time its self is evil in my book. They hold a person down with some stragne thing every fear wells up inside the person. Then they speak in strange languages not heard by many humans. They are not good as some people theorize. Think I'm crazy I really don't care. Where do you think the grim reaper legend came from. Why else do you think normal people who see them only see them around the times of deaths of friends or family.

These creatures are popping up more and more in movies and peoples dreams. Movies such as "Ghosts" "THe deaths of ian stone" I've been looking into them for years and all I find is evil.

I've seen them many times, never in any time of death. I think they are a part of life, just as much as we are.

We have to remember that movies are a business and the object is to sell tickets. In reality we don't all jump cars over tractor trailers or repel down skyscrapers. Movies are entertainment and have nothing to do with reality. What sells tickets are scarey creatures or over the top action. To base opinions on movies or TV is to buy into fantasy and can drive you crazy.

People don't come up with creatures like those they have to have something to base there opinions on. IM not basing these creatures off movies I'm basing them on off what I've seen

Thank you for your input, Kyle. I am one who often cites what I call "the modern mythopoetic cycle" (aka pop culture) in my spiritual and magickal work, sometimes to the chagrin of my fellow magicians. (I've even been accused of being flippant or not taking the work seriously because I suggested we could do something the way I read it in Harry Potter). So I do think you have a point that modern books and films often reflect the cultural dreams (if you need good authority for this proposition, try Joseph Campbell).

Also I want to assure you that I serve the Goddess, the Lady of Life, and if something is evil, I will defend the Earth against it. However, even if these creatures are associated with human death, that does not make them evil. Even in the movie "Ghost", I do not see why we should assume that the spirits that drag evil souls into hell are themselves evil. Michaelangelo painted his namesake, the Archangel Michael, doing that job in St. Peter's Basilica. Most people would not call the Archangel Michael evil (at least to his face).

Death and evil are two different things. I'll save you all my philosophical yammering on that issue. And many people, like Spyderglass, have seen these in a context having nothing to do with human death. Interestingly, though, there was a post just the other day on the "psychics" board from someone who started seeing shadow people after her father's death.

You know, folks, Kyle may have a point. These creatures do bear some resemblance to the dementors of the Rawlingverse. I sensed them at my house the other day, and I did feel a sort of paralyzing fear in my chest. That surprised me. As some of you may have guessed, I can be more than a little bit arrogant and reckless in my work, and I'm cocky enough to greet most things that go bump in the night without batting an eye. So it is a little strange these things had the ability to wig me out. It took me a couple of minutes to shake it off.

There are creatures that feed on human fear and pain. I have faced those before. Are the shadow people that sort of spirit? I'm not sure. They seem to respond to human energy on some level (as I found in my shamanic journey to track them down).

I'm really hoping askShardotcom will give us more input about them.

Whoa! I just noticed that the post from askShardotcom, in which she claimed the shadow people had told her that they are here on earth briefly as part of a major Transformation of our planet, has been mysteriously deleted. How very X-Files!

Holy crap she's even been deleted from the member's list!

Hmm. Let me try Askshar.com-that's weird. Maybe she did something bad on another post?

Spiritual guidance website.

Kylezazu--I wish to extend my apology as my answer to you was condecending and thoughtless. Yes much of our fiction and mythology has it's basis in fact and often truth even though most people would never admit it as that's too frightening for them to handle. The thing to remember is any evil feeds on fear. If we can conquer our fear we can face down anything and win.

Im sorry if I came off strong on the subject. Its just that I have seen these creatures up close and personal. Ive woken up on several occations to them hovering over me or sevewral standing around me. They whisper in strange words that terrify me, I'm actually looking into it to see if it has anything to do with tounges from christianity. But the thing is they actually make it so you can't move. Scientist have tried to say that it is sleep paralysis. I don't by that being asleep and having something feel likeit is sitting on your chest is not the same thing. My girlfreind has even started saying she's been having weird ecounters similar to mine since we started dating. She really freaked me out when she told me soemthing was freezing her and making her terrified as it spoke in a strange language.

Also as to the movies... I believe that humans are really tapped out in the creation department. I don't think that there creations are based off there own ideas anymore. SO many culktures speak of creatures so similar its scary. Vampires for example were spoken of legends in europe before they ever crossed the seas. At the same time legends of Camoratz the Bat God was spoken in central america by the mayans. Its just my belief that everything in the fairy tales does have a spec of truth to them, even if its not the same thing there is something to base it off. I truly believe these shadow people are evil. And no I won't say it to Michaels face I respect him too much. Uriel, the ark angel of death who I think is the grim reaper legend on the other hand I'm not so sure about. Im starting to theorize that these shadow people may have something to do with him.

I know this may sound strange but do you guys know of nephilim, if not I will explain. They angel came down to earth and mated with females (genesis 6:4) great hers and creatures were born known as the nephilim. IF the grim reeper steriotype is true about uriel, wouldn't the shadow people fit the picture of the sons and daughters of uriel. Just a thought... In the bible it says God destroyed the nephilim with the flood, who's to say more nephilim were not conceived. And if they were evil then, they might still be evil.

Sorry this is just my approach to explaining these creatures. Sorry if I am offending anyone by speaking my christian views.

Kylezazu, If you were raised christian then of course everything you experience will be viewed from a christian viewpoint. From what you describe with the weight on your chest it sounds like vampires. Not the movie Dracula but the in between worlds type that drain the living of energy in order to maintain their existence. Believe it or not they usually are not evil though they can scare the bejeebers out of you. Most offten they are deceased relatives or friends that don't want to leave the world and people they love or care about. They have no clue that they are causing harm they only know they feel better after being near you. Since they work on a psychic level and not a human level you can repel them with your mind by being honest and telling them you care about their well being and want them to go where they will never have to be alone or afraid again. That you wish them happiness and that they are causing you harm even though they don't mean to. This actually happens to many more people then you imagine and often within 6 months of a family or friends death. The fact that they appear as shadows or dark figures is also nothing to be frightened by. It, sort of like looking at an old photograph negative. Everything in the photo that was white looks black and everything that was black looks white. If we were to enter their realm they would be in living color and live people would look like shadows to us. It's just a matter of perspective. Try talking to them in a friendly caring way and you can do this in your mind if your unable to speak out loud. What the heck it's worth a try. Oh and if it is an entity that is fond of you it will also go to see your girlfriend out of courtesy.

I understqand what you are saying but forgive me if I'm skeptical of it. I really don't think they are human spirits. I really do believe in a fine line between white and black... between good and evil. These things know what they are doing, and they are not any friends of mine. On a dream level I run from them, in a physical level I am terrifed. I don't quite believe in vampire magic as in the movies dracula. I believe in vampires on a biological approach such as it being a strange strain of the zombie virus or other ideas like that. I do believe in the supernatural though.

To jump back into the conversation...

Kyle have you tried any means to keep these creatures at bay? I would assume you would prefer something from your faith tradition--crosses, blessings, holy water maybe? (BTW I was raised Catholic, and still am, albeit with a lot of other stuff thrown in that most people would probably say is incompatible). If so, how did it work?

If you are willing to step outside the strictly Christian tradition, we could discuss doing some shamanic work around this. Shamanism technically doesn't belong to any religion, any more than medicine or music.

I've never been too sure what a vampire is myself. I tend to use the term "vampirism" more, meaning the act of feeding off someone else's energy or life. There are living human beings who do that, either trained in some magical art or simply doing it unconsciously (ever met someone like that, who just drains everyone around them?). And I could certainly see how the spirit of a deceased human could engage in that behavior, as Mokrie describes. Once I was helping a couple of child ghosts, and discovered they were being kept in a state of fear and pain by some other creature (did I mention this in an earlier post? Sorry if I'm repeating myself) that was a real dark nasty thing. I didn't think it was or had ever been human, but then, I didn't stop to ask it. It was all I could do to keep it from attacking me.

Weird you should mention the nephilim. I was thinking about them just the other day. You see, I have some past life memories, going back quite a long way to a time when I was one of a group of people who lived in a dimension parallel to earth. We left our home as the gateway between it and earth was closing, and have dwelt here ever since. It was hard for us to explain to primitive humans about the multi-dimensional gateway thing. We just used the analogy of it being like an island that sank under the sea. But, yes, back in the day we were both very powerful and very arrogant, and meddled with the earth beings as we saw fit. And since coming here we've migrated all over this planet, into every human culture. So by this point, everyone alive is of the nephilim to some extent. You all have a little of the Old Blood, the DNA and the mitochondria and a sliver of the Light of "the ones who came from there" (as we call ourselves).

I know what I just said may not jive with your beliefs (and may even make you think I'm straight nuts). But it is weird that I was thinking of that verse from Genesis just yesterday, and then you mentioned it like that. In my way of life, synchronicities like that mean something. Although it can be a trick figuring out what.

And I suppose it is only fair to disclose to the folks who are participating in this discussion that I don't consider myself entirely human. I believe the term usually used on the internet is "otherkin." So it is fair for you to ask, if it came down to conflict between shadow people and humans, where would my own allegiance lie? If it turned out that they are beings on a different level of reality, just impacting earth's level enough to cast a shadow here, and they did turn out to be my distant kin--the ones who stayed behind when the gateway closed, well...

Once again... there pure evil and yes I know the difference. I dotn understand what you were saying but its fine that's not really relevant. I think you were speaking for psychic vampires... I'm not stupid, I know a lot of things I've never learned if that makes any sense. I believe the gift is called the gift of knowing or soemthign like that among the gifts of the spirit in the bible (not sure if you are familiar with them) As to what you were saying about your faith a mix of different religons I kind of know what you mean I believe every religon is connected like a certain theory I'm making concerning the Greek Gods as actually fallen or other typews of angels. Similarties such as Ezequal the fallen angel who gave the gift of predicting weather to humans to zues the god of the sky or Boreas the god of wind. Or even Atlas and Azriel, or even kronos and uriel. They all share very similar characteristics. Anyway I haven't quite seen shadow people lately but when I saw them frequently I did try crosses and holy water and what not even protection spells (if they even worked) didn't do me much good. Im concerned that some dof the reports I get from other people who see them, report seeing them as very close to human shape standing aroudn them, as if they are doing something. Im concerned that they are in fact doing something in ritual sense or something else. I'm concerned they might be plannings omethign bigger then we know. This might sound a little parnoid but... The mayan callender so far has predicted 3 of there 4 great changes corectly. And the final one is coming up. Now with the elections of who I presonaly will think become the antichrist coming up I don't know. Something is going on. I just know what. Any imput?

I saw them when I was a child an 'innocent' and I never feared them. Maybe they feed off fear? If they are here to get things ready, then they have been getting things ready for 20 years. The Mayans believed that everything happens in cycles, circles. They believed that 'the end of the world' had happened before, and would happen again when the stars were in the correct alignment. Maybe there will be a disaster in 2012, maybe the shadow people are harbingers of a disaster like the Mothman. I don't think anyone knows for sure, that is why Alder started this thread, to see what these shadow-people are all about. Maybe the only reason I see them as a fact of life is because they have always been a part of mine. Maybe they are afraid of YOU for some reason, and that's why you have been singled out. Have you ever tried just ignoring them? Until you stop seeing them?

If by ignore you mean pull the covers over my head yeah I've tried that they just stand there sometimes staring at me. I know this is probably irrevlevent but my friend who has been having major contact with these creatures and describes them the same way I do just happens to have the exact birthday as me down to the last hour. Don't think its relevant just thought id add it. Circles 4 circles, this is the final one of the mayan callender, and each for there circles has predicted some great change or disaster in how the earth worked. Ive read all the throys from... hell alien invasions to changes in the earths electrical current and gravitational pull from the two poles. Everyone's predicted something and what ever its been has been in the planning for a lot longer then 20 years. We are at a major life changing event in the next few years. Whether it's the rise of the antichrist or the collapse of earths gravity, hell for all we know it could be the end of are sun (not likely) eternal eclipse mabe. For example if the earths gravitational pull would for some reason alter the moons path say to stationary it could put us in some type of eternal eclipse blocking out the sun. Just mixing a fewe theorys anyway I'm sorry that is not the point. THE PO

Int is that these shadow people I believe may have a significant role if not the casuers then something they are evil I intend to find out what they want. Hey alder I know you have been asked this before, but what's an inner animal spirit?

They say if you look into the darkness long enough it will start to look back. There is always the possibility that the more we fear evil the more we have the ability to give it form. If you don't think of any entity as evil it just may change it's actions or your perception of it will change.

int is that these shadow people i believe may have a significant role if not the casuers then something they are evil i intend to find out what they want. Hey alder i know you have been asked this befor, but whats an inner animal spirit?

I wouldn't claim to be an authority on the subject of evil, Kyle, so I don't know whether these beings are evil. I can only look at my own life, and the times I have caused harm by acting out of rage or fear or pain or foolish pride. That is evil. My own sense of the shadow people was an alien-ness, not anything malignant. And then there's Spyderglass, who says that to her they seem neither malignant or alien. While I think they are somehow connected to the changes I sense taking place in our world, Mokrie does not see that correlation. I live in a multi-dimensional enough universe that I don't require one right answer.

I do not discount the paralysis experience you describe when they have been near you. Other people have reported the same, although there are plenty of people who have seen or even touched them who did not. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I felt a little of that same thing one time when I was close to them. But I cannot conclude from this that they are evil. Some people are allergic to the dander of cats, others aren't. I wouldn't say that makes cats evil (though they have been accused of evil and witchcraft more than once in our history). I have yet to conclude the shadow beings are doing this to hurt you. It may simply be a side effect of their presence to which you are more sensitive than some.

April also mentioned she had felt they were attacking her, but as she described it further, it sounded like it may have been their possibly ham handed attempt to communicate.

Well, that's why I want to investigate them. I want to know what they want, what they are doing. Are they trying to influence the human universe, and if so, is it an influence I would support or oppose? Ideally we will find someone who knows how to talk to them, or learn to communicate with them ourselves.

But for me, I equate evil with selfishly causing harm. People like Bush are too quick to call others evil. Evil is when a free-willed being chooses to act in a way that denies the connection that being shares with all beings, everywhere. A cougar that attacks a jogger is not denying the Oneness of being, quite the opposite! But that doesn't mean I sprinkle Adolph's on my body and go jogging in cougar country. Some things are dangerous and need to be treated with respect. But evil, well, until I've walked a mile in their robes and fedoras, I don't know that I can say. I judge spirits by the content of their character, not the color of their ectoplasm. ;)

Sorry, Kyle. I have a tricksterish sense of humor. But that does not mean I belittle your ideas. Nothing could be further. I can see you have considered these issues carefully and thought about them deeply. A voice of caution like yours is helpful. If we do learn to communicate and cooperate with these beings, it's good to remember these kind of cautions; to stop and check ourselves and see whether we are being tricked or co-opted into doing something with an ultimate goal (or a means) that is unsound.

Oh, you asked about power animals. Power animals are a kind of guardian angel that takes animal form for some reason. In many cultures all around the world, when someone enters a shamanic trance (by drumming, fasting, taking sweat, ingesting entheogenic herbs, or some other means), they encounter this kind of animal companion to help and guide them.

I think that when you give something power, or call it evil. That is what it becomes to you. The only reason I disagree with you is because I have never had bad experiences like you have. That doesn't mean that you are wrong, or that I am wrong. I just think that you have to have good to have evil-and the other way around. The brighter the flame the blacker the shadow.

Look I'm not going to argue good or evil anymore with you guys it's a go no where conversation. (not trying to sound mean ro anything it just is) Anyway my belief is that they are evil, or perhaps possible we are talking of two different beings. A non poisonous snake and a poisinous snake are very much different, no matter hwo much they look the same. The creatures I have seen are evil.

For the advance in research my encounters with them have had other effects I just remember from years ago. They can some how make me enter rem almost immediately after I shut my eyes. They have some how entered my dreams. This might sound crazy but when I dream I have been known to be able to wake up in my fdream and countiously make choices while dreaming. They have been there chasing me. Im sorry but I feel they are evil and are here for an evil purpose. My friend and I really believe they are dmeons or some oither evil being. I found a story I wrote when I was little that talks of dark angels coming in from other demensions and messing with this reality trying to spread there evil. This is very similar. So everyone knows I write about things I see. I wrote stroies about apociliptic bible versus when I was little before I ever really understood thing sdaid in church. Its weird but I really feel that these creatures if not demons are some otehrsort of evil from either are reality or another but they really are evil, this will be my last post of this topic of whether they are good or evil. I check in time to time with my views and to see others.

Ok, I always like playing devils advocate. If we think about it there are human serial killers. There are psychopaths. There are sociopaths that are unable to feel empathy, pity or guilt. If the human realm has such beings then it is entirely possible that other worlds or dimensions has the equivalent. With this in mind it is then entirely possible that evil in these contexts exists there. If they cross over to here they may be responsible for the fear of demons or creatures of nightmares. Their brothers that look just like them may be benign or friendly but once humans encounter the bad ones they are all painted with the same brush. How'm I dooin?

You are definitely dooin' :)

Hi. I would love to team up with you. I had actually posted something about wanting to get more experience in the paranormal. If you are interested, please let me know. Amber

Hi. I would love to team up with you. I had actually posted something about wanting to get more experience in the paranormal. If you are interested, please let me know. Amber

Amberlachelle, Thank you for the compliment. (You think I am in the know) All I know for sure about the paranormal is that our rules of logic don't apply. There are no guide books only guesses. Every time someone is sure they have found an answer the next person has an opposite answer. We are all seeking understanding. I am surpect of anyone that is too sure of anything involving paranormal events as the biggest mistake we humans can make is to try to pin the unknown down like a butterlfly. Please feel free to join in the conversation because this helps to organize thoughts and compare notes.

OK, I had to add this because I hallucinated the post from Amber had "mokrie" at the beginning. I just embarrassed myself. EGO gone wild.

Hey here's a thought what if these shadowmen are a type of psychic vampire, or a form of astral projection from a psychic vampire. When some creatures feed of an organism they inject a type of poson that paralyzes there victims. What if the fear felt while the shadow creature aroudn that makes it difficult tomove is actually a type of poison that allows them to feed of energies. Just a thought

Uh, didn't I say they sounded like vampires before? Or maybe I hallucinated that too...

Mokrie you need to lay off the magic mushrooms ;)
Just joshin' you

Good one spyderglass! Sometimes I wonder when I eat mushroom soup----

Kyle, I see you have been on the defense on this post regarding good v. evil. I am Catholic and I share your view and understand your posts very well. Only you and your intuition can answer the questions you have and I can see in your answers to your questions that you are sure of what you feel, regardless of how others want to see it. Good for you! I am exactly the same way and I have had similar and violent circumstances growing up... ever since I was 2.

I also believe in energy balance and the change from positive to negative. I understand how others may read the post and draw out the conclusion that your consciousness is feeding access energy these negative feelings giving power and magnetic force to cause poltergeists and what may feel like evil spirits/attacks. No doubt I believe that fear feeds and I believe positive energy (light work) and personal inner strength can rid of such conditions. It is also known that in the process of feeding fear and negative energy to environmental energy (access) that this could actually attract demons and spirits alike. The more negative ions are in the air, the more spiritual activity you will receive, so in actuality what you are saying is valid and I agree with you.

Growing up I knew what was evil and what was good and till this day I can tell you that this does exist. Everyone has different talents and unless you can get a hold of what you have Kyle…you will struggle with it your whole life. I have embraced it and have expanded my beliefs beyond Catholicism and found a new concept in addition to my origin faith. I still am Catholic but a refined one and I can't just be a normal person…I am not a normal person. Your experiences of the shadow people are similar to mine, I am attacked. Just the other night, OH MY GOD did I ever have the WORST dream in my LIFE, I have never had a dream so terrifying…it was about my daughter and I am not at liberty to discuss anymore other then she died. Initially when I woke up the shadow ran out of my room like a bat out of hell, I began to pray and say thanks that it was a dream…but I couldn't stop crying I was traumatized and angry so I followed it and stepped out in the garage. Sure enough there he was…sitting on the stairs…he looked at me. I said to him, “Unless you have a good explanation of why you did this you should be ashamed of yourself playing on my emotions. This practical joke of yours is not funny and if you have no cause, you are banned from here; I abolish you from this home and everyone in it! Leave now and leave in the same sadness and grief you have caused me.” His foggy figure of a man (sitting like a man and I saw the shapes of legs) just vanished like smoke! Vampire? Shadow Person? Messenger from the void? What was this?

From my experience and in my opinion only, Vampires are a life force sucking negative energy to create balance. If an individual is imbalanced they will come and will grow thus causing what can get to the worst stages of poltergeists. This energy can attract demons since the individual is of a weak state and easily influenced. This is breeding grounds for more fear thus causing paranormal phenomena and physical symptoms. Initially their intent is not to harm you but to help you; to take away your fear and anxiety. Anyone of us that has the ability to cause such reaction is actually gifted and if you do not get a grip of it you can potentially end up mentally ill or healthcare professionals will say you're mentally ill…the unfortunate potential of the indigo children. Since we see with our third eye we are susceptible to mental illness if we do not control either extreme.

Messengers come in all shapes and sizes as Dogstar had his/her experience in one of their posts. It may be scary but sometimes all they are doing is helping. We have so many helpers in other dimensions here on earth trapped in space and time. I believe that the universe has no space and has no time it is simply nothing and so that is where they are. Remember that everything must have balance and so we have heaven v. hell, good v. evil, positive v. negative…how do you see it? What do you believe? Everyone is entitled to see it as they will as everyone believes in something dissimilar or similar, cultured from diverse countries; the beauty of indifference. Such an immense topic for everyone as I am sure everyone here is extremely passionate with their view.

With my search in Shadow People, I have noticed improvement of my connections by remaining neutral but the challenge for me is frequency control. Working on it and I am not attacked anymore. I am still not getting positive results, but better results. They are rather toying with me…maybe I amuse them? I think they are very interested in our emotions…this could be the reason why I sent the shadow man off with my energy emotions…I felt he was displeased when he left. I feel they are searching for control of some sort, held by nature and they do play with animals frequently (earth bound seekers). Maybe they are searching for the very life force that exists in us, only they are looking in the wrong places. I know that they rarely communicate but will make connections with some. I can identify with experiences similar to Kyle. They seem to be trying to deliver messages its just we are not listening and need to change the frequency. I tried to force the shadow man to answer me but he left with no explanation leaving me to believe that his intention was to see my reaction and feel (or try to understand) the connection between human relations (my daughter and I). This shadow man has revealed itself to my daughter as she pointed above my head on the ceiling and say's “No mummy No” for sometime that night. It was actually the same evening prior to the nightmare. From my observation of her and in my recent visions they appear black and hideous with no particular shape…only form is given; if form is desired. In my vision I seen the natural form it was smoggy and had tennicals this is how they absorb information…only face is given if face is desired. I think giving form is our way of coping with something we do not understand and so they adapt to us as it is not their intention to make us fear them. In actuality we are not suppose to see them and when discovered they could become eventful…maybe this is what I am getting? But then why are they trying to directly communicate with some of us? They truly are not products of the earth, spirit or energy worlds and may be less aware then we think. If they truly are extra terrestrial what is it that they could possibly want? They are so advanced but so oblivious. Since we are children of the light, could they be children of the dark?…Seeking us as we seek them but connected in some odd sense.

I have great respect for all different beliefs and religious views in regard to anything paranormal. I myself tend to take the simple view of things as I believe as humans we can tend to think something to death and give meaning to something that has not proven that it had any meaning. As people we want to make sense of everything so we reach into our personal views and try to wrap them around that which we don't understand. To me, if you look at all the forms of life on planet earth, then it is possible that just as many types of life exists in other dimensions or planes. Sometimes a shadow can be the other dimensional version of a monkey or even a big tick. Think about it. A huge shadow that attaches to you that is just a tick on another plane. Maybe half of the things seen by humans are given more credit then it's due and it has no motive or even intellect. It's just a tick. I realize this is a very dissappointing view point as most people are actually more comfortable with a very complex answer. Somehow it just seems more interesting. Still I think it would be very possible for another dimension to have a rich and varied animal, insect, and humanoid population just as we do. Every shadow being seen by different people could really be totally different species. Some could just be curious, some hungry, some territorial and upset by us and some just want to cuddle or mate. My view may not be the norm but it certainly could be a possibility. It may take a century of investigation to really learn what is true.

I guess we will never really know Morkie but that is the beauty of indifference. This is true, what would we find if we could see other dimensions? How many dimensions are there?

This is actually a very scientific approach just as it is spiritual... the problem is most people can only believe what they see and what is proven. Mostly science is composed of theory and probability. Spirituality deals more with creativity and intuition... easier to disprove and harder to believe. I do feel that science to some is a religion to a point and that is why we rely on it so much but it can't sustain all fundamental ideas and concepts. One thing I do know is that energy and matter is a scientific concept as it is spiritual. We can release it and absorb energy (Auras, Reki etc)... there was a test done on ice; one was given negative energy (emotions) and the other positive. It evidenced that the ice given positive energy had frozen up with beautiful shapes and iridescent colors whereas the negative ice did freeze up abnormally. Plants, if we give it love and talk to them they grow abundant and beautiful. So just as the spirit world I think we can manage to give off frequency vibrations in forms of energy and send them out through these dimensions attracting or repelling. If we can control and understand our plain we could potentially understand more of others as you mentioned. I really like the idea of energy and light work I have found positive results especially in Reki and rock therapy treatment. Everything to me is energy and if we could control it, well, maybe we would be extra terrestrial eventually... the laws of physics would be redefined. Aside from positive v. negative energy , I also believe in good v. evil and know that there is something more out there as the spirit world because they communicate to me, because nothing... not even the energy can explain the things we all went through growing up, sisters would agree. See the shadow people like some spirits show intelligence they think for themselves which leads me to believe that it could not be a larger animal type species from another dimension... this is not what I am getting. So I would have to disagree with you Morkie, I honestly don't think your concept is a simple approach... it is just as complicated as others :). But again we believe in what we will and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it... its just a new ideas to challenge everyone's beliefs and open our minds to new concepts. I really do find what you are saying very interesting and would like to hear more. Oh and no one is really crazy here... thats why I like this site :) besides its hard to make these type of connections outside in our normal lives because people will think we are crazy.

Morkie, not sure if you have my email... but I really want to hear more about your theory of dimensions and your experiences in general.

Sorry but I don't have your email. The reason I believe what I do is I have seen shadow beings quite a few times and close up and they were different types and some more ape like. Others have seen taller and more human types. Some have encountered evil types. This is why I came to the conclusion that just like our world has many types of people, and they can be good or bad. We also have animal life here. Why is it such a stretch to believe that other worlds also has such diversity. This is why each person has such a unique experience. There may be many dimensions with life of sorts. This is why I don't think it's possible to try to classify shadow beings as any one type. Mokrie

This one is quite hard to assess... I have been thinking about it and I don't think they are your "personal" guides... and I don't think they are shadow people. For some reason they where trying to connect to you and they have reasons for doing so. I don't believe it is negative because you indicated you where comfortable so, what do they want? What destiny? Or fate? You indicated that you where trying different meditation techniques and is there anything you have been contemplating about for sometime? A dilemma? Or is it hard to make decisions in some area of your personal life? Are you making any spiritual quests or discoveries? If I was you I would ground the meditation and go back. Since you get answers point blank... get the answers to the questions you are seeking.

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Thanks for your reply, yeah, I don't think they're my guides or shadow people now that I've read a bit more about them... but, but I'm not convinced they aren't negative... even though I didn't feel they were... it's strange and will take more time to figure out..

Usually when I have a dilemma I get info as I've pointed out... but this was a paradox.
To me the dilemmas were significant in importance but have found that one greater dilemma above all is a spiritual one...
To answer all of your questions, yes I've been on a spiritual quest, to my surprise, meaning that it wasn't conscious, rather as if my sub-conscious were leading me...
I ended up in Asia with a career change, turning my back on my passion for the first time in my life really and have discovered that the new "career move" isn't what has been keeping me in Asia, rather it's been the opportunity for in depth spiritual study... for big changes in my person... let me stop because I could go on forever...

Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
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Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself.

In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space..

I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana

BACK TO MY EARLIER POST:
I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"
... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state.

I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc.
And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light

Dogstar, thanks. Hard to say whether what you saw is the same sort of creature we are trying to investigate. It's not a tradition in which I have delved deeply, but my understanding is Vipissana meditation is meditation without seed, without even a mantra or image to focus on, just inner silence and stillness. Correct? Or am I way off base? It sounds like when you come out of that, you are in a very receptive state. "To hear, one must be silent." You get that silent, you could hear all sorts of things. Receptivity is good, but you might want to check out some of my recent posts on the subject of ouija boards. There's such a thing as being too receptive. If you do it without strong enough boundaries, it's like posting your credit card number on your website. You don't know who or what could take advantage of the access you are creating. The Eastern traditions you are following have ways of dealing with that. There's some specific references in the Tao Te Ching I like that apply. Since you seem to have tapped in to a natural talent of psychic or spiritual sensitivity, you may want to work on honing that, learning to set an intention before you meditate of what specific information you intend to get when you come out. But be careful with this. To quote Ecclesiastes, "With knowledge comes sadness, and with wisdom, much vexation." Honor the gift, and seek to know only what you need to know. Specifically, if you set the intention of wanting this person who appeared to you to come back, so that you can talk with him in more detail, you will want to have some way of taking what he says with a grain of salt. Not every being who claims to want to help you is totally on the level. Most are, but they still want to help you because it suits their agendas.
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Thanks for your reply, yes I'm in agreement with all you say... let me first say that I started with vipassana because I get too much information, and wanted to learn how to control that as well as do some healing and find peace within myself.

In vipassana you focus on your breath on your abdomen and observe and note various phenomena (pain, everyday thoughts, imagination) this makes it hard for you to get sidetracked, as your goal is to observe and continue with watching your breath... however, you can fall into a trance like state... and see things in a quiet space..

I can see events, have spontaneous lucid dreams and astral travel; fly to places I've never been or get answers without vipassana, its easy for me, sometimes all I have to do is shut my eyes. But it can be exhausting as well, and that's not good, hence the need for vipassana

BACK TO MY EARLIER POST:
I saw a Shadow person, all in black, a tall man, without a hat. (I also had an image of a female hand with painted black nail polish)
The message I heard was: "We are here to help you"
And "We are part of your destiny"
... but my feeling was that it wasn't negative.

So this paradox is perplexing, good feeling but cloaked in black shadow and black nails. I don't feel what I saw or heard were guides or shadow people and even though I didn't feel they were negative, I question if they are... for the very reasons you state.

I'm very open and have had issues with recognizing those with their own agenda, even though I'm a New York girl at heart (street wise). I'm aware I've attracted negative energies because of my open-ness, was very hard to get rid of. Been told often times, my spirit is pure I'm working on boundaries, good intentions, cleaning toxic elements etc.
And yes sadness has been a byproduct, I want happiness now and into the light... thanks for taking the depth and time..

Hey I know I haven't posted anything in a while, just thought I would put my two sense in now that I'm a little calmer about the subject. I know a lot of poepl disagree with me basing my ideas of movies and books, but let just say for example the Movie Transformers.. A group if beings came here searching for soemthing and didn't care if they hurt us, then another group of beings came here searching for that very thing but had enough compasion to protect us. Mabe this relation ship is similar... Just a thought. Another thought is mabe just like in the movie The deaths of ian Stone, these creatures feed off are pain and what not, and a few get ourt of hand. Either way I still feel a negative energy given off these beings, whether or not there intentions are good or evil there still made of shadow and shadow has been looked upon as EVIL. The christian Bible speaks of what I think may be a similar being. In egypt Uriel the Angel of death spread across the land claiming the first born child of each family. And isn't it weird that the Grim Reaper is looked upon a similar version of these shadow men. Ironically The grim reaper is Uriel the arch angel of death. Well that's my two cents.

I'm in Alder. Anything I can do to help. I'm just waiting to actually see our shadow person... not in a photo. Patti

I too think it is the cusp of time and veil thing as you said.
I am not sure but I know that 2012 is connected to the time cusp and the beginning of the end.
The Bible never says we can not know when we are in the end of times, it simply says we will not know when THE HOUR Jesus returns is.

Check out mannafest it tells the end and what happens IS in astronomy.
YouTube - Strange Cosmic Signs from 2012-2015 (part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=451HZpFPGaI)

Hi Alder, i have recently been trying to investigate these "shadow people" it seems as though you are becoming quite the scholar when it comes to them. while i do not support you alien theory -because i have my own- i still think its interesting. i would appreciate it if you would share what you have come to learn, and i would like to talk about different topics as well, that still center around the "shadow people". Instead of talking on this forum, i would like you to contact me via email; [email protected] or if you have a myspace, my URL is /readdy2me

Alder, since talking to you last and sending you my shadow pictures (the shadow on our couch and over my granddaughter) I have twice seen my first black shadow first hand. But believe me it was nothing like a person. If I was to take a guess at what I saw it would be an animal. The first time I saw it, it went across my breakfast nook which is about 4 foot wide. From the wall into the other wall. Then 2 days later, it went from my livingroom chair around the wall into the diningroom. Both times it was so quick! It was about 10 inches tall... about the size of a full grown cat. In fact I thought it was my cat but I looked into my office and there Al sat eating his food. I haven't told my hubby yet... I want to see if he sees it and tells me about it. I'll keep you posted. Patti

I've heard about those, little ones that seem like animals. It seems like there are ones that seem like animals, ones that seem like children (some people say these remind them of goblins or faeries), and ones that seem like adult humans, the latter often wearing robes or wide hats.

One could speculate there are as many species on their plane as there are species of animals on planet earth. In thinking about this, I realize I was assuming that the human sized ones were in charge, but that's a rather species-centric way to look at it. Maybe on their planet, the house cats are the most advanced species. Whatever "advanced" means.

At this point, I'm waiting for my intuition to guide me to the right time, place, and method for contacting them. Of course, I also can't assume they all speak with one voice or that whichever one I talk to can tell me much about the others. Any more than they should assume that I can speak on behalf of all earthlings. ;)

A note to anyone reading my original post in this thread: I wrote "drop me a line," without being specific what I meant. To clarify, I mean please post an answer here on this thread, as opposed to contacting me by any other means. The policy of keeping the conversation here, in a public forum, is a good policy because that way everyone who is interested in the topic can access it.

Patti, would you be so kind as to post the photos to which you are referring here, so that everyone who is asking about shadow beings can see them and compare to things they may have seen.

Hi there! Until I can figure out how to put the photos in here I have put the main one in instead of my photo on the left. That is a picture of my dawgs with the black shadow in between them. I have another one where the shadow moved down a foot or so and then a pic of a shadow over my granddaughter. Since then I have seen, as I mentioned before, small shadows like an animal the size of a cat. P

I used to see shadow people when I was little. I used to wake up in the middle of the night to little tiny people that were pitch black coming from under my bed. I was not scared though. I also saw tall black shadow figures next to my bed on the wall and in my grandfather's kitchen... Hasn't happened since I was like 5 though. They didn't seem threatening to me at all.. but if I saw them now I would freak!

You could count me in. I have seen shadowy figures since I was a child. However there was one time about 15 yrs ago . As I was doing sit ups in my living room . I felt that my son who was 1 1/2yrs old at the time was running up to jump on me . I turned to see him but it was a shadowy figure exactly the same size and the same configuration as my son . I rolled to the side to catch him because I thought it was him. I was in disbelief when nothing landed on me. I got up confused and saw my son sleeping in his crib. From that point on I always felt that maybe these were our spirits that walk as we sleep. It was just a thought in the back of my mind. Since these visions appeared at night during sleep hours. Since I have joined this site I am not very sure as to what this is. Theoretically the other dimension makes a lot of sense also. I would love to finally have peace of mind and understand what they are. They seem to show when I least expect it. If I stay home and focus around the house nothing shows. It seems your mind must be a relaxed state. These are some of my observations.

Hi there! Until i can figure out how to put the photos in here i have put the main one in instead of my photo on the left. That is a picture of my dawgs with the black shadow in between them. I have another one where the shadow moved down a foot or so and then a pic of a shadow over my granddaughter. Since then i have seen, as i mentioned before, small shadows like an animal the size of a cat. P

Hi Patti, I have seen animal like shadows but in gray. At first I thought it was a squirrel ,but it was so fast that you couldn't make it out. But it also would move from one solid object to another.

The night after my grandfather passed away I saw this little shadow that was about the size of a mouse.. It ran from a small closet to the bathroom.. I even heard it hit the wall on the way to the bathroom.. but when I searched the bathroom (which was a 1/2 bathroom it was really tiny) I even looked in the cabinets it was GONE!. My mother who lives in FL (I live in massachusetts) called me a few minutes later telling me she saw a shadow.. the same one I saw! Also I had no mice in my house!

The Shadow People are pretty much harmless. They are indeed from another realm, which one I am not sure because they don't actually speak... well they do but... ugh... it's hard to explain. Anyway, the Shadow People are made up of many different types of spirits, so if you see three of them together, chances are they are not all the same type of spirit. They're just curious about our world for some reason. I don't know why though, with all the chaos and unnecessary killings and what not going on, why would they want to explore earth? LOL, anyway, if you happen to come across a violent Shadow Person, its' probably because it lost a ton of money investing with Bernie Madoff. Ok OK, back to reality. So yeah, these guys are kind of like Faeries, they come and go as they please and are just curious. But unlike the Faeries, the Shadow People don't play practical jokes on you... at least not in my case

Jammix is correct. They are extremely curious about people but very frightened of being seen by us. I do believe they don't fear small children as much as they are similar in size and don't appear to be giants to them. They do live or hide in solid objects like walls or tree trunks. They have never been known to cause any harm and if seen directly they panic and move out. I have found that they do have a sense of humor among their own kind. As for them having a language of this I know nothing as I have tried multiple times to record any sounds they make and have yet to get any verbalizing of any kind.

Hmmm that is interesting.. ive always tried to sum it up to my imagination but I never heard of "shadow people" until now... they were all different some of them were tiny like the size of my hand and last time I saw a whole crap load of them in my grandfathers kitchen they were really really tall the bigger ones liked to mess with me.. like when I knock on a door they would knock back.. . and the little ones showed themselves a lot and seemed to be reallly playfull the only time I saw one during the day was when I was with my uncle and we went to his house.. I saw one sitting in the dark in his bathroomafter I saw them in the kitchen I never saw them again and they looked a little bit scared of me when I walked in on them you know they all looked the same though the big ones and the small ones I wish I could draw on here... they were people but on their heads was like a little pointy curly thing sort of like hair I suppose is the only thing I could compare it tolike one little piece of hair sticking up only it went with the shape of their head.. hard to explain

Jammix is correct. They are extremely curious about people but very frightened of being seen by us. I do believe they don't fear small children as much as they are similar in size and don't appear to be giants to them. They do live or hide in solid objects like walls or tree trunks. They have never been known to cause any harm and if seen directly they panic and move out. I have found that they do have a sense of humor amoung their own kind. As for them having a language of this I know nothing as I have tried multiple times to record any sounds they make and have yet to get any verbalizing of any kind.

Thanks for agreeing :)

Your welcome Jammix. It's nice to find someone that seems to understand something that most people don't even believe in. Personally I think shadow people are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to other life forms that exist along side of this world. Please, would you find a way to explain what you meant when you said they speak "in a way".

Your welcome Jammix. It's nice to find someone that seems to understand something that most people don't even believe in. Personally I think shadow people are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to other life forms that exist along side of this world. Please, would you find a way to explain what you meant when you said they speak "in a way".

Sure, I could try. The Shadow People do have a form of communication, but it is no where near english or any other human type of language. Also, they don't speak with their mouths, but with their minds... or at least that's how it seemed to me. When I do see them, I can hear whispers but I don't see their "mouths" moving. I don't know, its weird. The only other relevant example I can give is the Faeries. Some Faeries do have mouths and speak with it, but others do not for some odd reason. Some use telepathy to speak with other Faeries and humans as well. That's the only way I can explain it. If you're still confused, don't worry, so am I.

Jammix, Thank you for your answer. You must be right about their telepathy. Aren't Faeries the woodland dwellers? They are the ones I believe can talk though not to us. Many people have heard whispering in areas of North Europe where Faerie forts and paths are. The American little shadow people are a totally different breed and seem to live in closer proximity to us for some reason. They totally fascinate me and I tried for awhile to make friends with them but blew it when they became too bold and startled me to the point of an involuntary scream. They moved out immediately to my shame.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I think they don't want to be our friends... I think they have no clue who or what we are just as we barely know anything about them. They're like shy little kids. They keep staring at you but when you talk to them they run away.

Jammix, After thinking about what you wrote I've concluded your right. They don't want to be our friends. They have no clue what we are and they are just plain afraid of us. I suppose I can liken it to being on safari and creeping as close as possible to resting lions then running like hell when they notice me. It was silly of me to even think I could make friendly contact. Thanks.

You're welcome. I communicate with enough spirits as it is, I don't think I can handle adding Shadow People to that list lol

GLN685- I think most adults tune out anything that does not fit in the rational everyday world. As kids were all more open and aware. My hope is that there will eventually be some serious scientific study of shadow people. How exactly that could be done is beyond me.

GLN685- I think most adults tune out anything that does not fit in the rational everyday world. As kids were all more open and aware. My hope is that there will eventually be some serious scientific study of shadow people. How exactly that could be done is beyond me.

I think that's a good idea Mokrie, but I don't think it will happen. Science will never accept the fact that there are some things that cannot be explained and that are supernatural. Science always tries to explain everything, and when they can't explain it, rather than man up and say "I don't know" they try and cop-out and say its supernatural or a coincidence. So I don't think science will ever study anything considered "supernatural". But I do think that it's a good idea.

I think thats a good idea Mokrie, but I don't think it will happen. Science will never accept the fact that there are some things that cannot be explained and that are supernatural. Science always tries to explain everything, and when they can't explain it, rather than man up and say "I don't know" they try and cop-out and say its supernatural or a coincidence. So I don't think science will ever study anything considered "supernatural". But I do think that it's a good idea. Sadly I must agree. What bothers me most about that is everything is natural! Shadow people, ghosts, psychic abilities, everything. It just isn't proven to be true by the scientific world YET and it will take longer then it should because of a refusal to even admit it exists to be studied

! Accidental post!

I have always wished that the people who don't believe in spirits, ghosts or shadow people, that it would happen to them. Then they could only lie to themselves.

What is that supposed to mean?

Um... I don't know

I don't know how to contact you but I saw an answer that you know a little about ouiji boards & I was wanting to talk to you about it... I know someone who is experiencing things there whole family actually and I wanted to talk about it with someone who knows a little about ouiji boards... contact me if you can

TEAMOAMOR, All I know is when you use a ouiji board you never know what your going to get-litterally. In my opinion any sane spirit will go to the next life whether on earth or to the next world. The crazys hang around with nothing to do except answer anyone that uses a ouiji board. You open a door for the wackos whether human or otherwise. Tell your friends to toss it.

There have been a number of questions posted about the shadow people phenomenon. Have any of you tried to find or contact the shadow people? I am wondering if anyone here has investigated this phenomenon themselves, or knows someone who has?

I have started looking into this for the last month or so. If there is anyone who would like to team up so we can investigate this together, drop me a line. I'd ideally like to work with other people with shamanic or psychic training and abilities, although different perspectives, such as the more skeptical/ghosthunter approach, are welcome, too.

So far, my investigation through shamanic journeywork and dreamwork supports the idea that they are alien, from another realm or dimension. They seem to be exploring, learning about earth, learning about us. What they plan to do once they feel their knowledge is complete remains to be seen. I've been finding them in the upper worlds, but not very high up. The level is close, just a little way above the midworlds. They move fast, too fast to see or follow easily. I have to up my resonance frequency (not sure how else to describe it), then I can see them and track them.

My hunch is that this phenomenon is related to the fact that we are coming up on a cusp time, a time of great transformation in our world. It seems to be thinning the veil between our world and theirs. But whether they will be a help to us or a problem, I don't know. Anyone curious? There are a lot of ways to do good in the world. This method is a little unusual, I admit, but it may yet prove worthwhile.

We are coming up on a cusp time of great transformation: the age of Aquarius which may be in 2012, 2060, or 2160.

i dont know how to contact you but i saw an answer that you know a lil about ouiji boards & i was wanting to talk to you about it... i know someone who is experiencing things there whole family actually and i wanted to talk about it with someone who knows a lil bout ouiji boards... contact me if you can

If it was me you are trying to get in contact with then you can e-mail me at [email protected] or IM me on AIM at the jammixmaster screen name.

Hi guys I'm new here and id like to say I have seen the true form of a shadow being.

Just been reading through this post, which has been fascinating. I have been experiencing this stuff for years but have not been able to really talk to anyone, as I thought I would probably get the ‘you must be crazy’ response. It feels pretty liberating to find other people who are experiencing this and some great discussions on what it all means. Please excuse me if I raise some silly questions or questions that have been already raised – I’m a bit of a novice here.

I’ve had some good and bad experiences with the ‘other side’ but, it’s these dark entities, which I am not sure if they are the same thing being discussed here, that bother me. I am not afraid majorly of them but just really want to understand more.

It would be great to shed some more light, so to speak, on these things. Are they ghosts? Other types of energies, another type of species – alien or actually, they’ve always been here but existed in another dimension which some can see? Are their intentions curious, helpful, malicious or dependent on the individual? If they exist in another dimension but on Earth, perhaps, they can only see us as well as we see them, as someone else suggested? Are they a mixture of different species?

From experience, I would say that some are certainly intelligent and are very aware of our world. Do they have the ability to be manipulative of people/+ events now and in the past – for good and bad?

Alder, April and co, I would be very interested if you were to set up some email grouping or such.

Best wishes to all.

Has anyone else seen black shadows/clouds over someone else's eyes? I did some years ago, and at the time they were very angry and being hateful. Quite sure it wasn't anything to do with lighting or the such.

I exp these shadow people as you call last month except mine was more like a dark brown or tan shadow and it appeared 3x in one night in just one hour. My door was locked in my room I thought I was losing it all reality goes away when you encounter one your yelling gets controlled like it was just as easy as lowering the TV volume as far as banging on the walls to get some one to hear you in the house is actually quite as useless as yelling I don't know why it appeared to me last month and why I heard 2knocks on my wall 3 times my bed I had a lot happen to me that night and all I know is that I kept thinking it was a dream tell my brother confirmed that I wasn't banging on the wall I was just taping it I am 21yrs old so don't assume I can't hit a wall don't assume I'm some wuss that gets scared off anything because from what I can say I was petrified. I'm not lying I don't want to post the whole story here what u read is just a quick summery of what happened. All I want to know is what did it want or what was it doing. Why me? Because of that now I don't think the other crap when I was 13 to 15 was me going crazy I heard voices near my ear whispering I felt breathing near my ear both when I'm laying down trying to sleep on my bed, 14-15 were when things got scare with the voices it poped out more frequently

I haven't got another exp from it since I refuse to sleep in my room where it happened. I know it sounds like I'm just B.S.ing
But if anything if it would help with research I would sleep in my room that's in the garage with no windows so don't tell me it could have been the lights playing tricks with my eyes, it was pitch blk and the only thing I could see was the shadow person. But I haven't slept in my room ever since then and I refuse to sleep at night especially before 3am

My experience with Shadow People. If anyone can help, I would be most grateful.

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I practiced meditating for a few months during this time my penial gland or purple dot got bigger and more aware. The more I practiced the less I had to focus for this dot to appear.

One day around 4 or 5 in the afternoon about 4 to 5 years ago I was meditating in my bedroom when I sensed that something was behind me through peripheral vision. I saw it for a second or two and it disappeared. All I remember seeing was a face and it was big and white looking with eyes that were big and the faced looked similar to a male humans face. Really strange but prior to this and after I have not encountered it again. I also stopped meditating shortly after not cause I was scared but because I started to hang out with new found friends on a regular basis. My skin is brown I am of indian desent.

Has anyone else seen black shadows/clouds over someone else's eyes? I did some years ago, and at the time they were very angry and being hateful. Quite sure it wasn't anything to do with lighting or the such.



The figure I saw was high up in my room behind me near my closet to the left of me only for a second or two.