I live by the Bible and the Bible only. If something can't be proved with the Bible I won't believe it. Can someone give me any Biblical evidence that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday?

The Bible says that the day of the Sabbath no longer matters and that no one is to judge anyone with respect to the day of the Sabbath, because the Sabbath was prophetic of the coming of Christ and is fulfilled in Him.

Col 2:15-17
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
NKJV

The Bible says that the day of the Sabbath no longer matters and that no one is to judge anyone with respect to the day of the Sabbath, because the Sabbath was prophetic of the coming of Christ and is fulfilled in Him.

Col 2:15-17
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
NKJV

All that says to me is that we shouldn't judge others on those things. I agree that we shouldn't judge others, but this text says nothing about changing of the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Have you read this thread: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christianity/why-sabbath-day-changed-saturday-sunday-255389.html ?

All that says to me is that we shouldn't judge others on those things. I agree that we shouldn't judge others, but this text says nothing about changing of the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Who said that it was changed? I was pointing out that there is no longer a requirement to be concerned about which day of the week the day of rest is on.

All that says to me is that we shouldn't judge others on those things. I agree that we shouldn't judge others, but this text says nothing about changing of the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

For Catholics that is a matter of Church authority:

Matthew 18 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

This is seen even in Apostolic Times that the Church began to assemble on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday:

Acts Of Apostles 20 7 And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.

Sincerely,

De Maria

For Catholics that is a matter of Church authority:

Matthew 18 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

This is seen even in Apostolic Times that the Church began to assemble on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday:

Acts Of Apostles 20 7 And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.



The question appears to be a general one, not a denomination specific question.

Who said that it was changed? I was pointing out that there is no longer a requirement to be concerned about which day of the week the day of rest is on.

Ok, so if it wasn't changed, why do nearly all Christians choose Sunday as their day of worship over Saturday? Those same Christians call Sunday "the Sabbath". Also, the text you gave says nothing about the Sabbath day not being required anymore. It just says that we shouldn't judge those who don't worship on the day that you do. It doesn't say that the Sabbath isn't important or that it doesn't matter what day you choose, it just says not to judge

For Catholics that is a matter of Church authority:

Matthew 18 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

This is seen even in Apostolic Times that the Church began to assemble on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday:

Acts Of Apostles 20 7 And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Thanks for the answer De Maria. I'm just curious, what do you think the text in Matthew is saying exactly? Also, the Bible verse in Acts 20 doesn't say that they were worshiping, it is just saying that they gathered to break bread. People gather on the first day of the week all the time for prayer meetings, bible studies and whatnot, but when I read this, I don't get the impression that they are worshiping as on the Sabbath day

Ok, so if it wasn't changed, why do nearly all Christians choose Sunday as their day of worship over Saturday?

The reason that Christians typically worship on Sunday is because we find that was that practice of the early church in scripture:

Acts 20:7-8
7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
NKJV

1 Cor 16:2-3
2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
NKJV


Those same Christians call Sunday "the Sabbath".

Sabbath simply means an intermission, a break, or a rest. Therefore calling it a Sabbath if that is what they use it for is technically accurate. I agree that it is not the Sabbath that is spoken of in the Old Testament - I will get to that in a moment - but it is a Sabbath.

As a related aside, I find that many people who feel that the Sabbath is important to keep are only referring to one of the Sabbaths - the seventh day (Saturday), but these same people typically do not keep the other Sabbaths which were commanded in Old Covenant law.


Also, the text you gave says nothing about the Sabbath day not being required anymore. It just says that we shouldn't judge those who don't worship on the day that you do. It doesn't say that the Sabbath isn't important or that it doesn't matter what day you choose, it just says not to judge

But the point is that of those who keep or don't keep the Sabbath are not subject to judgment for choosing to not keep Saturday as the Sabbath, clearly it is no longer required to be kept on that day.

Now, to understand why the Sabbath no longer needs to be kept, we need to examine what scripture says the purpose of the Sabbath was, and indeed, since this is part of the law, what the purpose of the law is. Another member on this thread pointed you to another recent thread on the same topic, and I would highly recommend that you read through that thread (it is short) to avoid unnecessary repetition.

The Sabbath was prophetic of Christ. Just as Passover was prophetic of the sacrifice of His blood for our sins.

That is what scripture tells us in these passages:

Col 2:16-18
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 wWhich are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
NKJV

The fact that He established the prophesies of Christ's coming in the Old Testament rituals speaks volumes about God's perfect knowledge.

Indeed, we also see in Galatians 3 and others that Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. The law (including the laws about the Sabbaths) were put in place to point us to Christ.

The Sabbath was part of the law which was fulfilled in Christ.

Matt 5:17-18
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
NKJV

The remainder of the law also serves a purpose which is to show us how far we are from meeting God's standards

Gal 3:19-22
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
NKJV

And the fact that we cannot be saved through the law because no one have ever kept the law perfectly (Rom 3:23).

That is why Jesus has to come. But once we have received Him as Lord and Saviour, we no longer are under the law because the law has been written in our hearts through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
NKJV

The law is for the unrighteous (unsaved), not those who are saved:

1 Tim 1:8-11
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
NKJV

We no longer are under the letter of the law which we could not obey, but rather the Holy Spirit indwells us and helps us to obey the spirit of the law.

Jer 31:33-34
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
NKJV

And because we who are saved are no longer under the law, and the law (specifically the Sabbath since that it the topic of your question), we are no longer judged according to whether we keep the Sabbaths or when we kept the Sabbaths. We who are in Christ have received the fulfillment of our Sabbath rest in Jesus.

People gather on the first day of the week all the time for prayer meetings, bible studies and whatnot, but when I read this, I don't get the impression that they are worshiping as on the Sabbath day

Why do you think that people in the Old testament worshiped on the Sabbath? Note what God says here about what they are to do:

Ex 16:29-30
Or the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
NKJV

Thanks for the answer De Maria. I'm just curious, what do you think the text in Matthew is saying exactly?

Jesus is giving the Church His authority on earth.


Also, the Bible verse in Acts 20 doesn't say that they were worshiping,

When read in light of Church tradition, this verse means that the Apostles were already worshipping on the first day of the week. The term breaking of bread is very specific to the procedure used by the Priest after the prayer of consecration. Therefore, there is no mistaking that this is an example of the Mass.

The Liturgy of the Mass has always been first the reading of Scripture and then the "breaking of the bread" otherwise known as Communion, the participation in the Eucharistic sacrifice.

Here's the rest of the context of that verse:

Acts Of Apostles 20 7 And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight....11 Then going up, and breaking bread and tasting, and having talked a long time to them, until daylight, so he departed.

Note how first he taught and then he broke bread and tasted. We only get a taste of the consecrated bread and a taste of the consecrated wine.

Here's another more brief description of the Mass.
Acts Of Apostles 2 42 And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.


it is just saying that they gathered to break bread. People gather on the first day of the week all the time for prayer meetings, bible studies and whatnot, but when I read this, I don't get the impression that they are worshiping as on the Sabbath day

We interpret it differently. In the Catholic Church, we consider the Eucharist the source and summit of our faith and although our pasch is offered daily, Catholics must gather at least once a week to worship God. Here St. Paul compares the penalty for missing the weekly Jewish assembly on the Sabbath with missing the Christian assembly. How can I tell? Because the Jewish weekly assembly did not offer sacrifice but only the reading of Scripture and prayer. Whereas, in the Christian assembly we participate in the Flesh and Blood of our Lord:

Hebrews 10 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with clean water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering (for he is faithful that hath promised), 24 And let us consider one another, to provoke unto charity and to good works: 25 Not forsaking our assembly, as some are accustomed; but comforting one another, and so much the more as you see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. 28 A man making void the law of Moses, dieth without any mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 How much more, do you think he deserveth worse punishments, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath esteemed the blood of the testament unclean, by which he was sanctified, and hath offered an affront to the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Why do you think that people in the Old testament worshiped on the Sabbath? Note what God says here about what they are to do:

Ex 16:29-30
or the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
NKJV

They read the Scriptures and taught on the Sabbath.

Mark 1 21 And they entered into Capharnaum, and forthwith upon the sabbath days going into the synagogue, he taught them.

Mark 6 2 And when the sabbath was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were in admiration at his doctrine, saying: How came this man by all these things? and what wisdom is this that is given to him, and such mighty works as are wrought by his hands?

Luke 4 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he was brought up: and he went into the synagogue, according to his custom, on the sabbath day; and he rose up to read.

Luke 4 31 And he went down into Capharnaum, a city of Galilee, and there he taught them on the sabbath days.

Luke 6 6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue, and taught. And there was a man, whose right hand was withered.

Acts Of Apostles 13 27 For they that inhabited Jerusalem, and the rulers thereof, not knowing him, nor the voices of the prophets, which are read every sabbath, judging him have fulfilled them.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Jesus is giving the Church His authority on earth.

Keep in mind that this refers to the body of Christ, not a denomination or church organization. Though your denomination may have traditions, The Church follows what scripture says, and not that of your denomination or any other denomination.

They read the Scriptures and taught on the Sabbath.

Keep in mind that this was Judaism under the Pharisees.

Rest on the seventh day, it does not matter whether it is on a Saturday or Sunday. As long as one day is set aside per week to rest.

The disciples broke bread together many times, not just on Sunday or Saturday for that matter, but there was no hint of the changing of the weekly rest. Paul, Barnabas and all the other apostles kept the seventh day sabbath, so the notion that because they met one day to break bread means the holy day wasn't kept is a fallacy. Read in Acts chapter 13 for example. The Jews listened every Sabbath in the synagogue to hear the word of God. Then, if you read into verse 44, it describes the "whole city", Gentiles as well as Jews, coming to the synagogue to listen to the word of God. Also, one simple instance when the Sabbath was mentioned in the New Testament, which the Sunday keepers like to say that the Sabbath is the only commandment not restated in the new testament, is when Mary Magdalene comes to embalm the body of Jesus in Luke 23:56. They actually stopped embalming the saviour of the world to keep the commandment! I stop to think of how I don't even guard the edges of the Sabbath when something isn't important, much less something of this magnitude! This simple example shows that even after the work of Christ was fulfilled as the spotless lamb, the commandment still holds. Regarding laying aside money on the first day of the week; since when is that a commandment to keep holy the first day? He's merely talking about setting the money aside so he can pick it up and take it to the believers in Jerusalem. This is a weak argument. We do not keep the monthly, yearly, or other periodic Sabbaths because they were given as part of the law of Moses for the Israelites. Hebrew as I understand, does not have another word for rest that would differentiate the weekly Sabbath from the ceremonial Sabbath. One key element of the Sabbath that many Sunday keepers don't take into account is this: the Sabbath was given at creation, in Genesis 2, BEFORE sin entered the world, just as Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted before sin. If something was made before sin, why would there be a need to change it? Also, he is trying to say that we should FORGET the only commandment that begins with the word REMEMBER, referring to creation. But keep the other 9? It's not logical. He then begins to get into the law/grace debate. He essentially is saying in a roundabout way that the law is abolished. Of course, he must quote scripture when he states that we're under grace, but he is saying the law is gone. Remember the story of Joseph and Potifar's wife? Joseph new adultery was a sin. This was LONG before the ten commandments were written. How did he know? God's law was passed down the ages from father to son by word of mouth. Moses had a lot of new rules given to him at Sinai, but he had a lot of old rules restated as well. The clean and unclean meats law is one good example. Noah was instructed to lead the clean animals in by sevens and the unclean by twos. Noah was not Jewish! He came long before Abraham and the Jewish nation. The Sabbath pointed back to God's creative genius, hence the first word of the 4th commandment, "REMEMBER". The Sabbath was not a shadow, because it came before the system of shadows was instated. Another thought: did God need to rest on the 7th day? He's God. He doesn't sleep, nor needs to. He did this for our benefit, so that we might follow his example. Galatians 3, that he quotes, says "the law was added because of our transgressions." It was added because we didn't obey Him in the first place! He got tired of us disobeying his word that was verbally passed down, so He wrote it on stone so we wouldn't forget it! Then, because we still wouldn't obey it, he wrote the same law on our hearts and gave us the Holy Spirit to give us power to obey it! But still... some people just refuse to obey even now! Unbelievable! There is ceremonial law and then there is the everlasting covenenant described in Deuteronomy as the 10 commandments. We must not get them confused. The ten commandments will never be erased, for they were not a shadow. The ceremonial laws were shadows, because they had us jumping through all the hoops to show us how a perfect sacrifice must be treated. Another great point on the law and the keeping of the law: If we don't believe that we have a Redeemer who not only conquered sin's consequences for us, but also gives us the power to conquer sin's power in our lives, then we are essentially saying our deciever is stronger than our Redeemer! Sobering words, huh? And if we say sin is just too strong, and God's law is just too hard to follow, then exactly which sin is it that has you by the throat and you have no power to resist? We are called to be holy, just as our Father is holy. Read in Romans where Paul directly says "do not sin. But if you sin, you have an intercessor that you can plead to." (not an exact quote) We can come directly to our High Priest. Why? Because he calls us priests of a royal priesthood (1 Peter) We don't have to plead a literal lambs blood, but we plead Christ's. The lamb was the shadow of the real LAMB. And regarding the letter of the law versus the "spirit" of the law. Name one law that you can break the letter but not the spirit. You murder someone with a happy spirit? You cheat on your wife with a fantastic woman of God? You steal something from the rich and give it to the poor? LUDICROUS! Do you get the idea? It's impossible to obey the spirit and not the letter. This is Jesuit teaching. They teach that as long as your needs are met, you can have someone steal something from you and it's OK. etc. Remember, not all those who cry Lord! Lord! Will be saved. One last FANTASTIC point that I'll make before I go to bed. We are saved by the grace of God, but only by believing that Christ truly took away your sins and the power of sin in your life. This is Faith. We do not earn the gift by our works. The salvation is given by the goodness of God's heart. BUT, we CAN lose the gift by our works. Understand? We receive it out of no merit of our own, but we can lose it by not obeying and following Christ's example. If we do not make an effort to "come out of her my people" then we are essentially choosing the world over the Saviour. He takes us back over and over again, but the time comes when the line is drawn. Read about Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 14. They were saved at one point, then they strayed away and were burnt with "eternal hellfire." This was to be an example of what the wicked as well as the lukewarm will inherit if they don't repent and turn from sin.

The disciples broke bread together many times, not just on Sunday or Saturday for that matter, but there was no hint of the changing of the weekly rest.

I don't know if you have been reading, but I don't believe anyone is saying that the day of rest was changed. It was fulfilled in Christ, as scripture says, and we are no longer to judge anyone based upon the Sabbaths.

BTW, if you want your responses to be read in detail, might I suggest that you break it up into paragraphs.

Biblical evidence that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday?

I don't see this as something that really matters, and yes the bible does say so.

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord... Romans 14:5-6

I think all God cares about here is that you worship Him, not what day.

It's not like we changed the Law of Moses. Jesus simply fulfilled it. It still stands for those who are still UNDER it and not fully walking by Grace and being led fully by the Holy Spirit.

The Ten Commandments still tell us the will of God. But, as Jesus said, the complete fulfilling of those commandments is summed up in "loving God above all things and loving your neihbor as yourseld". If one is still under Moses, then they have to keep every commandment perfectly, all the time, for every moment of their life OR they are still under its curse!

Those in Christ Jesus are led by His Spirit and will always seek to do the will of God. But we are not under the curse of the Law:

Rom 8:1-4
8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
NIV

This verse is difficult to understand by those still seeking self-righteousness. And self-righteousness is easily discerned in those who wish to have "condemnation" for those who don't do as they believe and practice.

Rom 9:30-32

30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness , have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness , has not attained it. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works.
NIV

Rom 10:1-4
10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness . 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
NIV

Why would anyone want to remain UNDER the Law when they know the freedom in Christ? Those in Christ don't limit ourselves to ONE DAY in our worship of our loving God. We see His wonderful power in what He accomplished in six day, but we honor that creation every day.

Why would anyone want to remain UNDER the Law when they know the freedom in Christ? Those in Christ don't limit ourselves to ONE DAY in our worship of our loving God. We see His wonderful power in what He accomplished in six day, but we honor that creation every day.

On the sabbath issue it come down to loyalty
The two institution that was establish at creation was marriage and the sabbath. The Ten commandment #4 the only one that starts
Off with REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY, so it does matter what day you keep. Good website is www.sabbathtruth.com/or.org

On the sabbath issue it come down to loyalty
the two institution that was establish at creation was marriage and the sabbath. The Ten commandment #4 the only one that starts
off with REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY, so it does matter what day you keep. Good website is www.sabbathtruth.com/or.org


Again, you are quoting and trying to live by the Law, not under grace.
MK2;27 "Jesus said unto them," the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of man is Lord even on the sabbath""
If my interpretation of this passage is correct, it tells me that it does not matter two whits what day/days you choose to worship the Lord on.

After the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus the disciples met on the first day of the week (Sunday) to remember him or break bread, or have communion. I think DeMaria gave the verse I am thinking of:

Acts 20:7 (King James Version)

7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,


That is the reason we meet on Sundays... that and the fact that we are no longer under the law. We are under a new covenent.

It is amazing to me how from one thread to another, The Word can be the Truth in what we search our hearts to find and hold stedfast in doing.

We have to consider that what one individual's conscience mind has found as right and wrong, does become the conviction which is a strong belief within their heart.

We are told not to judge the hearts of others. And this does example how each has their own conscience mind, and the heart which Christ knows.

Should anyone elect to fast from meat that was not created to receive as noted in law. Then we are not to judge..

Should anyone care to put forth the act of righteousness which is considered works of man, I feel they walk the best that they can in the attempt of walking in Christ in His way chosen of the heart. It is known as, Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Christ walked in His Father way, under the law of command in perfection to obedience. We acknowledge that we by Christ are given the same command of obedience by the teachings of the law, and told to follow His way, hearing His voice. Christ said, He would put the law into the hearts of those who follow. The law being the light under my feet, and the word is the lamp. We are to rejoice in the lamp of righteousness for He is the way. (2 Sa 22:29)

Can be still sin of the flesh, yes, but by the grace of God we are saved.

Our warfare on earth is noted in: II Corinthains 10
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Christ fulfilled by allowing us to see His Way. His walk on earth.

My heart of convcition is to walk in Rest of Christ who is my sabbath everyday.. But I also know in my heart that Sunday is a day of praise and worship within the house of God.. Those that traveled in the days of scripture did so as a heart felt desire to hear the Word of God.

I live by the Bible and the Bible only. If something can't be proved with the Bible I won't believe it. Can someone give me any Biblical evidence that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday?


With all due respect to your statement and to your beliefs I am of the opinion that you are not actually fully meaning what you say.
In the first place we have to remember the O.T. was written (or, if you so prefer, inspired by God) so that the people living 4 or 5000 years ago could understand what it was saying. The N.T is different, because Jesus’ Message, through the Gospels, is as clear now as it was 2000 years ago.
The question of historical accuracy is sometimes a complicated one, and there are many reasons why each instance deserves to be treated on its own merit.
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“Moreover, it is dangerous to do too much speculating about ancient history when we attempt to reconstruct the settings of and allusions in biblical literature. For example, Gamaliel may well have been referring to a now unknown Theudas. His audience may have known the reference but we, separated by millennia, may have no extant record of the person or event. With this particular example, there is the added complexity that Gamaliel is quoted as having said this, but he is not affirmed as having been accurate in his historical data. If Gamaliel said this but was wrong in his chronology, it would not impugn the truth of the text”

Regarding authorship, some relies on tradition, some on internal evidence. It may help to remember that until the modern age of printing, most information was not transmitted in writing. Moreover, scholars strongly debate the dating of references both within and outside the Bible. If it is correct to say that the first written reference to Moses’ authorship of the Pentateuch is post-exilic, that does not mean that it was not a traditional attribution long before then. In any event, there are internal references to Mosaic authorship in the Pentateuch, such as the mention of Moses writing down all that the Lord had told him (Ex. 24:4; cf. Deut. 31:9,22). Presumably, this refers to a large body of material, such as the book of the covenant and the regulations for building the temple, among other things. Also, to say that Moses is the author of the Pentateuch is not necessarily to say that he penned every word it, but may include the idea that the books were substantially composed and approved under his direction and authorization. In any event, most interpreters understand Jesus and the New Testament to confirm Mosaic authorship (see Mark 10:5; 12:19-27 [//Luke 20:28-38]; John 1:45; 5:46). The need for belief in Mosaic authorship pertains not only to submission to New Testament revelation (if one agrees in this understanding of the New Testament), but also to properly locating the Pentateuch in its historical setting in order that its purpose and meaning might be properly understood and applied”.

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You probably DO NOT BELIEVE that the creation was just a matter of 6 days, as the Genesis mentions, do you? Only the age of our planet has been estimated to be of 4 billion years...

It may be that there really was an Adam and Eve,, although it is hard to believe the were the very first humans, now that there is scientific evidence of human beings close to a million years ago, in Kenya.

It may be, instead, that the Adam and Eve story is a way to
describe the actual, true condition of the human race as one that is not as God intended us to be.

Come what may, this should interfere at all in our faith in God, which is way above these inaccuracies due, as explained above, to the time when the Scriptures were written.

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Originally Posted by Tj3
The Bible says that the day of the Sabbath no longer matters and that no one is to judge anyone with respect to the day of the Sabbath, because the Sabbath was prophetic of the coming of Christ and is fulfilled in Him.

Col 2:15-17
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
NKJV

All that says to me is that we shouldn't judge others on those things. I agree that we shouldn't judge others, but this text says nothing about changing of the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.


All that says to me is that we shouldn't judge others on those things. I agree that we shouldn't judge others, but this text says nothing about changing of the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

I quoted Tj3 here as well as your response willyb, because I wanted to try and bridge the two ideas presented here. Tj3, I partly agree with your statement above because I think that the spirit of what you are trying to say is that we are gentiles and all of the rules and regulations in the Old Testament are not relevant to believing gentiles... the moral commandments are absolutely relevant but the Sabbath was included as part of the moral commandments given because it was inextricably linked to the covenant. My feeling is that the Sabbath is still in effect today—for the Jews. Here's why I believe that it is. If you refer to Exodus 31, God tells Moses to instruct the Jews in the following way:

"And the Lord said to Moses, 'You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, 'Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'

And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God."

If you carefully read this section of the text, God says that it is a "covenant forever" and a sign "forever between me and the people of Israel." I don't think that the Sabbath was done away with for the Jews, this is why many still keep it today. Now, we are talking about something divisive as obviously most Jews do not believe that Christ is their Messiah. But when God removes the "veil" that is over their eyes, the day will come when they will recognize him as their Messiah and worship him (I mean collectively as a nation, not that individual Jews cannot be believers...clearly there are). That time has not come yet. It seems to me that the celebratory festivals and the Sabbath that God instituted under the Old Covenant have not been done away with. The sacrificial system was "the shadow of the things to come." Moreover, the Sabbath was never for gentiles to keep because as the Exodus account says, God declared it to be a sign between him and the people of Israel only. It was never relevant to gentiles and it will never be. So, quite frankly, to ask the question: is it Saturday or Sunday is really irrelevant. And that is where I also agree with Tj3.

Lastly, I guess the question that emerges then is "what then?" What are gentiles supposed to do? I don't think a big deal is really made about when we are to gather together in the name of Christ. It is as Tj3 said, "one esteems one day greater than the other. But let each man be convinced in his own mind." If God has received one as his servant, who are we to judge the other in such matters? The admonition from the writer of Hebrews is succint and profound, "let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is. But exhort each other, and so much more as you see the day of Christ approaching." To me, we are exhorted to assemble ourselves with others of faith and encourage each other in our walk because the life of faith is difficult and challenging and sometimes we want to quit. We must not forsake meeting with other believers because to do so must mean that somehow we have lost interest in being a disciple of Jesus Christ... and that is a travesty.

So, if we make a big deal about what day we assemble together, it is a big deal because it is a big deal to us. But if we look to the New Testament for a clear direction on what day we are to get together, do you know what answer we get? Silence. Because there's no answer; so I presume the answer is, whatever day as a body of believers we decide to meet. It may even be that we decide not to meet every week. It may be that we decide to meet more than once a week. I don't think it matters but it is more a matter of the collective conscience of the people who avail themselves as members of the believing community to which they are apart of.

That is my opinion, anyway.

I live by the Bible and the Bible only. If something can't be proved with the Bible I won't believe it. Can someone give me any Biblical evidence that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday?

Why don't you just worship everyday to be safe? But seriously though, why in the world would it matter which day you worship God. Were the days even broken down into cycles of seven 24 hour segments in the Bible days?

Why don't you just worship everyday to be safe? But seriously though, why in the world would it matter which day you worship God.

Not judging the heart of conviction, I feel it would be for love in God and wanting to do His Will verses the man's own prideful way



Were the days even broken down into cycles of seven 24 hour segments in the Bible days?

Did the sun go up and did the sun go down? I believe we can say a day was established.

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Not judging the heart of conviction, I feel it would be for love in God and wanting to do His Will verses the man's own prideful way

If it matters that much and is that important, maybe He should have been made more clear and we wouldn't even have to have this debate.



Did the sun go up and did the sun go down? I believe we can say a day was established.

Yes, the sun went up, and down BUT did they start over after it had gone up and down seven times in a row??


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B]Genesis 1:5[/B] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


And did God say, this will be the first day, and after the seventh day, start over again with... the first day?

And did God say, this will be the first day, and after the seventh day, start over again with ...the first day?

God words are that these 7 days would be the generations to the heaven and earth.
So like our own age in time and days are seen in the generations of our family.

The objection would be did God name day one as Monday, or Tuesday ect.. because we understand only that day 7 was the Sabbath.

The calendar of days, months was differenct then from what we use today. As are the zodiac signs at different periods of our's used today. Yet if you care to reference the original of that day, it is possible to see it did exist.


Be assured the days go to years by what God has said.:

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

This of course would a different thread...

willyb78,
In the bible when it speaks of the Christians gathering together on the first day of the week to break bread it means that they worshioed together and celebrated the Eucharist communion.
2000 years later we still break bread together on Sunday.
Peace and kindness,
Fred