View Full Version : "I'm a cop - look what I can do."
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Romefalls19
Aug 27, 2008, 11:20 AM
Doesn't look like the US so who knows what will happen... Cops are getting out of hand these days
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 11:27 AM
It's from Denver, yesterday.
Romefalls19
Aug 27, 2008, 11:28 AM
Wow they don't enforce a dress code there then. Around here cops uniforms must fit snuggly and be pressed and look well done.
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 11:49 AM
Did he hit her with his baton and push her? I didn't see that she provoked that kind of force. Interesting that when the news was interviewing her, they hauled her away. What kind of protest was this anyway?
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 11:51 AM
It was a peaceful protest at the DNC. I believe the group is called Code Pink but that's not that relevant here.
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 12:03 PM
Should be stripped of his badge! But then again maybe we are only seeing what the creator of this video wants us to see and not the entire deal! He's in riot gear and trained to handle hostle protests. Either way, she wasn't armed and all but 100lbs. Perhaps there's a law in Denver for wearing all that pink.. kidding!
I will have to Google this, I haven't heard anything about this.
BABRAM
Aug 27, 2008, 12:29 PM
Judging from what I could make out in the video, the police officer didn't appear to be under physical attack. Assuming that was all there is to the situation, the officer commanded her to move, and might had taken some verbal abuse in return, but his response to her obstinance was not code. Protocol at that point should be to warn her once more, and then subdued her in handcuffs. Usually in protests, the city issues permits and provides zoned areas. However, if a protest is conducted illegally without permission of the municipal, i.e. blocking normal public accessible areas such as streets, there are some routine arrests and if the police really need to move a crowd a direction using force, they use their shields in line movement steps and tear gas if absolutely necessary.
Fr_Chuck
Aug 27, 2008, 12:39 PM
Bad thing of clips, you don't see what happened prior to cause all of this, and to be honest did not sound so "peaceful" was there things being thrown, were they ordered to go back and refused ( refusal of police order allows force to be used to push them back)
I would say that without seeing the entire thing, not a most likely edited version I will say most likely they were reacting to the need for force by actions of a unruly crowd.
Romefalls19
Aug 27, 2008, 12:41 PM
Bad cop - No doughnut
BABRAM
Aug 27, 2008, 12:45 PM
bad thing of clips, you don't see what happened prior to cause all of this, and to be honest did not sound so "peaceful" was there things being thrown, were they ordered to go back and refused ( refusal of police order allows force to be used to push them back)
I would say that without seeing the entire thing, not a most likely edited version I will say most likely they were reacting to the need for force by actions of a unruly crowd.
Good point. It's only a short clip.
Just for information purposes and anybody wondering: Code Pink is neither necessarily Democrat or Republican based, but their protest in general is against the war in Iraq, and any possible bombing of future countries, such as Iran. Code Pink is also planning on being at the Republican convention.
George_1950
Aug 27, 2008, 12:54 PM
One thing we can say: she has the courage of her convictions. I hope she is OK.
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 01:26 PM
I was wondering how someone would justify knocking down an unarmed 100lb woman with a baton.
I wonder why they didn't arrest her until later when she was speaking to the media? Plus they grabbed her quite forcefully didn't they?
Is all this stuff OK in the US?
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 01:35 PM
May I just play the women card here. These women are for peace and compassion. Women for peace, if you will, so what justifies the heavy armor? Or the assult? They are women activists excercising their freedom of speech.
George_1950
Aug 27, 2008, 02:07 PM
We will need more information; I note that there appears to be a bullhorn next to where the lady is on the ground. I don't think a cop would strike a woman for profanity, but he might if she shouted into his ear; but that is just a thought. This is why we have courts.
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 02:12 PM
More here: Police Trap Peaceful Protesters in Denver | American News Project (http://newsproject.org/videos/113)
bushg
Aug 27, 2008, 02:17 PM
She's a white woman so no one will probably care!
*edit* that is enough to do anything about it.
tomder55
Aug 27, 2008, 02:43 PM
Got to agree with Fr Chuck ; the taunts and other activities prior to “the incident” never seem to make it to the tape.
I can't wait to hear all the Obots complaining about the harsh treatment by law enforcement at their convention.
The Code Pinkos should go home . The Recreate 68 movement(with it's promise of anarchy and riots ) has been a complete dud . Not even one tear gas or taser incident . What a yawner.
I saw a video of some protesters getting in cops on bicycles faces begging to get arrested . The cops did not react despite the provocation.
NK ,You ask if this stuff is OK in the US and I say that I'm sure there will be an investigation ,and a bandaid for any scrapes or wounded ego this protester incured. Perhaps she will retain John Edwards to represent her.
asking
Aug 27, 2008, 03:12 PM
This is apparently what happened:
An Associated Press photographer at the scene said the officer pushed the woman back with his baton as other officers ordered protesters to stay away from a golf cart being used to ferry police. The woman went back to the police and said, "Do it again."
That's when the officer pushed the woman to the ground and ordered her to back off, calling her a "b****." The exchange can be heard on a video captured by a photographer with the Rocky Mountain News.
MichaelMoore.com : 2 demonstrators detained in Denver demonstration (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12155)
I did hear her say "Do it again" on the tape posted here.
Still no doughnut though...
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 03:32 PM
If he was pushing her back, perhaps they were entering into a restricted area. She did say do it again after the push, but it doesn't justify the assult.
George_1950
Aug 27, 2008, 03:34 PM
And we thought the cops in Beijing were tough: "DENVER--Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel."
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5670682)
ABC News: ABC Reporter Arrested in Denver Taking Pictures of Senators, Big Donors (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1)
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 04:06 PM
I can't wait to hear all the Obots complaining about the harsh treatment by law enforcement at their convention.
The Code Pinkos should go home . The Recreate 68 movement(with it's promise of anarchy and riots ) has been a complete dud . Does it matter who it is that protests? Does your constitution discriminate against that?
asking
Aug 27, 2008, 04:18 PM
And we thought the cops in Beijing were tough:
ABC News: ABC Reporter Arrested in Denver Taking Pictures of Senators, Big Donors (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1)
Holy cow!
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 04:22 PM
Land of the free indeed!
progunr
Aug 27, 2008, 04:27 PM
Police brutality happens everyday, in every country, to every race and sex.
What point are you trying to make?
This really is nothing new or unheard of, is it?
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 04:31 PM
Cool, I'm happy you're comfortable with it, some people aren't.
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 04:31 PM
True, its nothing new, the point is that it happens its images like these that remind everyone how inappropriate it really is. Geez... were's your compasion?
progunr
Aug 27, 2008, 04:38 PM
My compassion is at home with my wife and our cat, and with the rest of my friends and family.
I didn't say anything about being comfortable with it, actually I'm not comfortable, or uncomfortable, it is just a fact of life that has no impact on me personally.
I say that anyone who gets in the face of a cop, and demands "do it again" gets exactly what they asked for, right or wrong.
I'll bet she thinks twice before she does that again.
George_1950
Aug 27, 2008, 04:45 PM
... Geez... were's your compasion?
Where is the constitution? Clearly, not in Denver.
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 04:50 PM
I can't believe the garbage coming out of your mouth, your compassion is at home with your wife and cat... LOL.. These people are fighting for something they believe in. Got what she deserved... maybe, but you condone that type of force? Trust me you wife and cat did not give you freedom of speech.
akez
Aug 27, 2008, 04:51 PM
It took people like these to fight for their beliefs
Fr_Chuck
Aug 27, 2008, 04:52 PM
Let me see if perhaps the news crews were tresspassing in some area that was taped off and they were told to leave and would not do that,
Again I doubt we will ever hear in the news the truth of this
progunr
Aug 27, 2008, 04:58 PM
I can't believe the garbage coming out of your mouth, your compassion is at home with your wife and cat...LOL.. These people are fighting for something they believe in. Got what she deserved... maybe, but you condone that type of force? Trust me you wife and cat did not give you freedom of speech.
Neither did you!
If you dumbmasses would quit putting words in my mouth, the garbage coming out would be reduced by 90%.
Did you see anything I typed that said I condone this behavior? No.
All I'm saying is this kind of crap happens everyday, everywhere, right or wrong, it happens, and it usually happens to those who want to "prove" that they can say or do anything they please, even getting in the face of an armed cop, who's adrenaline is running full force, and demanding that he "DO IT AGAIN".
Sorry, that is not how you protest, peacefully, that is a excellent example of what you do when you want to get knocked on your butt.
NeedKarma
Aug 27, 2008, 05:00 PM
Sorry, that is not how you protest, peacefully, that is a excellent example of what you do when you want to get knocked on your butt.It's the sheep mentality like this that is allowing your country to become a police state. Good luck with that!
asking
Aug 27, 2008, 07:40 PM
it is just a fact of life that has no impact on me personally.
Let's say it did affect you personally.
Imagine if a cop was trying to tell you to do something you didn't want to do--let's say your wife calls you to say she and the cat are trapped in a burning house, but the police officer says you can't approach within a quarter mile of the house, which is in a burning neighborhood. You get upset and try to talk to him and he shouts at you to get back. You don't, because you want to talk to him. He strikes you, knocking you down, and arrests you, sending you to jail for the night.
Would you feel that's just the way things are and you pretty much deserved it for getting in his face?
N0help4u
Aug 27, 2008, 09:01 PM
Yeah police brutality and authorities do abuse their power. I think it is sad when it is only recognized when it is something of that level while the everyday citizen is told they just have to live with it, ain't nothing you can do about it. Just pay your unfair fine and do your unfair time and go on like nothing happened.
asking
Aug 27, 2008, 09:10 PM
I agree. When a middle class looking white woman gets hit with a baton in front of a camera or an ABC camera man gets busted for standing on the sidewalk we see it for what it is, but when it's someone else, it's just as bad and there are no cameras to witness it, no one to be outraged, and no major corporation to bail the person out or defend them in court.
N0help4u
Aug 27, 2008, 09:14 PM
I am seeing it more and more and it is going to get worse. People insist "They must of done something to deserve it'' Just wait until it is somebody they know... or even THEM... then they will see!
inthebox
Aug 28, 2008, 12:08 AM
The code pink video:
The cop was wrong for that 39 sec clip.
We don't know what went on prior? Did she spit on him, or throw something? In some jurisdictions that constitutes assault.
The longer video:
If they are informed of where they can protest and it is illegal to protest in the areas that they were in - well that is a consequence you accept. Just like ignoring one way or stop signs.
The edited video shows these protestors standing and getting in the face of the cops - not smart.
If they were truly "peaceful" protestors why did they not just sit down, link arms, sing kumbaya and let the cops carry them away?
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 03:11 AM
NK you are such a hypocrite
AFP: Police shooting sparks riots in Montreal's Haitian quarter (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hbunN-IeFGANi4UUmCJILEzmFLEw)
My advice to the cop is choke up and follow through with a slight uppercut .
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 03:37 AM
NK you are such a hypocrite
AFP: Police shooting sparks riots in Montreal's Haitian quarter (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hbunN-IeFGANi4UUmCJILEzmFLEw)
My advice to the cop is choke up and follow through with a slight uppercut .From the article you quoted:
Rioters torched cars and three police officers were injured late Sunday in a heavily Haitian district of Montreal, according to police and media reports Monday.More than 500 police were deployed and six people were arrested in the riots, which erupted after the police shot dead an 18-year-old man on Saturday.
...
Police have launched an investigation into the shooting, which occurred in an area which frequently sees clashes between street gangs.
How is that comparable to peaceful protesters? Of course I knew you would back up the cops, the old school people do, they just roll over and take it... until it affects them. You are safe hiding behind your keyboard every day, some people actually go out in the real world and make their feelings known.
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 03:43 AM
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tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 03:54 AM
NK I have participated in protests and demonstrations and have gone to government to make public statements .I have actively campaigned for and against candidates .
At all of these events if a cop told me to move back or disperse I would've gladly done so .This cop was not refusing her right to peacefully demonstrate .
Tell me all the times you have confronted police and refused to do what they have reasonably told you to do.
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 03:57 AM
reasonably I believe that is a point up for debate, whether they were using reasonable tactics in the face of... well no threat at all.
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 04:15 AM
You don't know that do you ? I watched other video of protesters provoking cops and begging to get arrested.
But what is clear is that this protester crossed the line . The only debatable point is if the tactics the cop used after that was necessary.
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 04:27 AM
But what is clear is that this protester crossed the line . How? I know it seems real clear to you but it isn't for me.
progunr
Aug 28, 2008, 07:03 AM
Let's say it did affect you personally.
Imagine if a cop was trying to tell you to do something you didn't want to do--let's say your wife calls you to say she and the cat are trapped in a burning house, but the police officer says you can't approach within a quarter mile of the house, which is in a burning neighborhood. You get upset and try to talk to him and he shouts at you to get back. You don't, because you want to talk to him. He strikes you, knocking you down, and arrests you, sending you to jail for the night.
Would you feel that's just the way things are and you pretty much deserved it for getting in his face?
That has to be the most childish comparison I've seen yet!
You got to be kidding me, is there no level you will stoop to, to try to make your point?
A better example would be "I'm protesting, and a group of cops tells me I have to move back behind the line. OK, I move back behind the line and continue my peaceful protest.
I DON'T get in the cops face, after he has already given me a little push to motivate me to follow his instructions, and yell 'DO IT AGAIN"! That is just plain STUPID.
Geezz, I've heard of apples to oranges, but that one was more like apples to dog poop!
excon
Aug 28, 2008, 07:24 AM
Hello:
Cops suck.
excon
progunr
Aug 28, 2008, 07:31 AM
Hello:
Cops suck.
excon
I agree.
Right up to the point where YOU or someone in YOUR FAMILY needs one.
Then they don't suck so bad.
excon
Aug 28, 2008, 07:36 AM
Hello again, prog:
Tis true... If somebody was breaking into my house, I wouldn't call a hippie.
excon
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 07:40 AM
American Thinker: The broken dream of police brutality in Denver (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_broken_dream_of_police_bru.html)
excon
Aug 28, 2008, 07:49 AM
Hello tom:
Quoting right wing publications doesn't make points with me. Besides, your point, MISSES the point entirely. It doesn't matter how many times the cops were good. It only matters when they're bad.
You're one of the people who wonder why the press doesn't print good news. Can't help you there.
excon
George_1950
Aug 28, 2008, 09:33 AM
Has Obama referred this alleged violation of rights to the Justice Department, like he does those that criticize him? Or is Obama a part of this problem?
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 09:37 AM
George,
I believe it was ordered by McCain.
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 09:42 AM
The incident that George linked to involved reporters trying to tape Democrat delegates going into a special interest hosted party. Obama (Zeus ) has said that the new Democrat party would not be beholden to special interests .
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 09:46 AM
Ex the fact is that recreate 68 went to Denver with the expressed and very public expectation of causing trouble and provoking the police to react .I think what was witnessed on the video is restraint... a perfectly executed bunt instead of a swing for the fence. The girl was quite a flopper judging from the video. She gets a 10 for her dive.
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 09:50 AM
Tom, you've hit a new low. Congrats. I truly see you as a wife beater now.
progunr
Aug 28, 2008, 10:22 AM
Ex the fact is that recreate 68 went to Denver with the expressed and very public expectation of causing trouble and provoking the police to react .I think what was witnessed on the video is restraint ....a perfectly executed bunt instead of a swing for the fence. The girl was quite a flopper judging from the video. She gets a 10 for her dive.
Since we can't see how much road rash she got, I lean more towards maybe a 8.75.
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 10:27 AM
I'd be too afraid to beat my wife. Got to sleep some time...
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 10:37 AM
Yup, that's what I expected - keyboard courage.
tomder55
Aug 28, 2008, 10:56 AM
Do you think it takes courage to be a wife beater ?
NeedKarma
Aug 28, 2008, 11:04 AM
I think it doesn't take courage to say that a 100 pound woman wasn't hit hard enough in your opinion.
To answer your question, no, it doesn't take courage to hit your wife. Any weeny could do it.
asking
Aug 28, 2008, 11:37 AM
I think it doesn't take courage to say that a 100 pound woman wasn't hit hard enough in your opinion.
To answer your question, no, it doesn't take courage to hit your wife. Any weeny could do it.
As a former hittee, I can vouch for the cowardice of wife beaters, at least some of them. My ex is not at all brave around other men. But he was bigger than me and it was easy for him to hurt me. In time, I learned to exploit his cowardice to protect myself.
As for the video, true the cop "only" pushed her down with his nightstick, but I don't imagine that whack felt very good. I just re watched the video and I am convinced he really did send her flying. Having been knocked around a little, that looked realistic. First off, it's simple conservation of momentum. (Like a car hitting a bicycle instead of another car.) Second, she didn't have time to push herself away. The cop is the one who sent her flying. Big guys tend to underestimate their own impact on people much smaller.
Galveston1
Aug 28, 2008, 02:43 PM
Re the arrested reporter. It might be interesting to know who didn't want those pictures taken and why.
Skell
Aug 28, 2008, 06:15 PM
Yeah police brutality and authorities do abuse their power. I think it is sad when it is only recognized when it is something of that level while the everyday citizen is told they just have to live with it, ain't nothing you can do about it. Just pay your unfair fine and do your unfair time and go on like nothing happened.
But isn't this the reason you have an armed society? To stand up to this abuse of power? That's what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!
Skell
Aug 28, 2008, 06:20 PM
Hello:
Cops suck.
excon
Its sad when cops are viewed like this. And I'm not saying your view is wrong. Im not in the US so I don't know whether this is justified or not. From what I see sometimes I'm sure it is. But generally in Oz the public have nothing but respect for the police. Sure some aren't so good people but overall they do a good job and protect us well. We even feel protected enough not to want to carry guns around in our hip pockets.
tomder55
Aug 29, 2008, 02:21 AM
But generally in Oz the public have nothing but respect for the police.
That is true here too .
NeedKarma
Aug 29, 2008, 02:38 AM
That is true here too .I wouldn't say so. Here's the Digg comments to that same video: Digg - Police slam CodePink protester to the ground (http://digg.com/politics/Police_slam_CodePink_protester_to_the_ground)
inthebox
Aug 29, 2008, 08:54 PM
I realize that cops are human beings, and are not perfect, though some think they should always be so and if they are not then "they all suck."
I could not do their job, for their pay, and for what they have to deal with.
God bless them.
N0help4u
Aug 30, 2008, 07:24 AM
But isnt this the reason you have an armed society?? To stand up to this abuse of power?? Thats what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!
Yeah right, who wants to shoot a cop over a $300. Fine or whatever?
People want guns to protect their families against break ins and things like the Trolley Mall
and other random shootings in 'gun free zones'.
excon
Aug 30, 2008, 07:42 AM
But To stand up to this abuse of power?? Thats what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!
Hello Skell:
We're a patient society... But, not TOO patient. If things continue on the present course, I suggest that there will be a time, in the not to distant future, when our guns WILL be used for that very purpose.
We ARE approaching the status of a police state. We no longer have privacy rights via the 4th Amendment. We no longer may show our displeasure with the government via the 1st Amendment. We no longer have habeas corpus rights via the 5th Amendment.
When it dawns on us that this ain't good, we MIGHT come around, or we'll lose what we've got.
excon
N0help4u
Aug 30, 2008, 07:48 AM
I agree with Ex 100% and I DO see that happening within the next 4 1/2 to 8 yrs.
Right now the general American public is too asleep and complacent to see what is happening right under their noses because it hasn't effected them personally YET.
They say well it is only the 'criminal element' that cops go after so they must of done something to deserve it.
The people that ARE being effected feel too powerless right now.
Skell
Aug 31, 2008, 05:17 PM
in 'gun free zones'.
Does such a place exist?
N0help4u
Aug 31, 2008, 05:19 PM
Yeah we have gun free zones in schools, hospitals, malls, office buildings, work places, problem is if somebody decides they want to kill themselves and take a bunch of people out with them those are the exact places they go for with their guns.
Skell
Aug 31, 2008, 05:29 PM
Hello Skell:
We're a patient society...... But, not TOO patient. If things continue on the present course, I suggest that there will be a time, in the not to distant future, when our guns WILL be used for that very purpose.
We ARE approaching the status of a police state. We no longer have privacy rights via the 4th Amendment. We no longer may show our displeasure with the government via the 1st Amendment. We no longer have habeas corpus rights via the 5th Amendment.
When it dawns on us that this ain't good, we MIGHT come around, or we'll lose what we've got.
excon
I suppose the problem as I see it is a lot of people for some reason ARE happy with how you are being governed. Take for example a lot of the people here at AMHD. I'm sure it is a fairly accurate reflection on the society as a whole? If so will this mean only half the people will revolt? What about the other half?
Credendovidis
Aug 31, 2008, 05:37 PM
All I've seen so far in this thread only supports the decision on this side of the great pond not to allow anyone to possess and/or carry weapons , unless under strict controls for specific limited use (on fire ranges or for hunting).
Not even most of the police forces carry guns, and are often even more successful in fighting crime that in gun-overloaded US of A.
:>)
.
excon
Aug 31, 2008, 05:41 PM
What about the other half?Hello again, Skell:
Half?? I'll be happy with HALF on my side. Besides, you don't expect it to be a cakewalk, do you? Freedom isn't easy to defend. I'm willing to go down swinging.
excon
Skell
Aug 31, 2008, 05:45 PM
Hello again, Skell:
Half??? I'll be happy with HALF on my side. Besides, you don't expect it to be a cakewalk, do you? Freedom isn't easy to defend. I'm willing to go down swinging.
excon
:D I wouldn't expect anything less from you ex.. ;)
Skell
Aug 31, 2008, 05:48 PM
All I've seen so far in this thread only supports the decision on this side of the great pond not to allow anyone to possess and/or carry weapons , unless under strict controls for specific limited use (on fire ranges or for hunting).
Not even most of the police forces carry guns, and are often even more succesful in fighting crime that in gun-overloaded US of A.
:>)
.
I agree. But it is ingrained to heavily in the US culture for it change I fear. I couldn't see it there way for along while and still struggle to. But they can't see it my way either so I just agree to disagree these days. That is until one of them slips up with something way out of right field.
speechlesstx
Sep 1, 2008, 09:08 AM
From the paper that captured the video:
Forrest and CodePink said the officer was reassigned and can no longer interact with demonstrators, but that could not be immediately confirmed Wednesday.
Forrest was in jail about five hours, then spent another two hours talking with the Denver Police Department's Internal Affairs Division, she said.
"So many people were calling them after they saw the video," Forrest said, adding that this was the lone incident she had had with police during the convention.
"All of the police throughout this week have been pretty nice, and pretty cooperative," (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/28/protester-shocked-by-cops-shove/) she said.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction by the cop and those of you bemoaning the 'police brutality' in this country. This was one idiot's mistake... you all have your own bad seeds don't you?
excon
Sep 1, 2008, 09:12 AM
you all have your own bad seeds don't you?Hello Steve:
No...
excon
Sun18
Sep 1, 2008, 09:24 AM
KfISlq1gzK8
Hi, tell if NEEDKARMA it is u in the video as a COP, and do u justify it?
NeedKarma
Sep 1, 2008, 09:37 AM
Hi, tell if NEEDKARMA it is u in the video as a COP, and do u justify it?No.
Sun18
Sep 1, 2008, 09:39 AM
Thank God, thanks
U do not justify it either,,
EVEN I do not
ricky0604fh
Sep 1, 2008, 10:29 AM
Wow they don't enforce a dress code there then. Around here cops uniforms must fit snuggly and be pressed and look well done.
They are wearing tactical uniforms. Made so that if they start beating people, the people can't defend themselves
speechlesstx
Sep 1, 2008, 04:27 PM
Hello Steve:
No....
excon
Apparently you do, Ex, this was an American cop wasn't it? They don't have bad cops in Canada, Australia, Europe, etc. Or is America the only land plagued with bad seeds?
Skell
Sep 1, 2008, 04:31 PM
Apparently you do, Ex, this was an American cop wasn't it? They don't have bad cops in Canada, Australia, Europe, etc.? Or is America the only land plagued with bad seeds?
I certainly didn't insinuate that Steve. In fact I think you'll find I even admitted to our bad ones down here.
NeedKarma
Sep 1, 2008, 04:34 PM
Apparently you do, Ex, this was an American cop wasn't it? They don't have bad cops in Canada, Australia, Europe, etc.? Or is America the only land plagued with bad seeds?I didn't insinuate that either but the instances of cops acting beyond their powers is more prevalent in the U.S. these days. So many cameras are rolling everywhere catching so many bad ones.
N0help4u
Sep 1, 2008, 04:43 PM
And there are more that are not caught and nothing you can do about it
Your word against the 'upstanding cop'
Yeah that is the way they see it.
speechlesstx
Sep 1, 2008, 05:28 PM
I certainly didn't insinuate that Steve. In fact i think you'll find i even admitted to our bad ones down here.
Skell, nothing personal, just a country pulled out of the air. You have my respect unlike some here.
speechlesstx
Sep 1, 2008, 05:29 PM
I didn't insinuate that either but the instances of cops acting beyond their powers is more prevalent in the U.S. these days. So many cameras are rolling everywhere catching so many bad ones.
So many? Give us a few dozen examples.
Skell
Sep 1, 2008, 07:24 PM
Skell, nothing personal, just a country pulled out of the air. You have my respect unlike some here.
;)
NeedKarma
Sep 2, 2008, 02:43 AM
So many? Give us a few dozen examples.
Here's 4 more: Top 5 Police Brutality Videos (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/top-5-police-brutality-vi_n_115921.html)
YouTube - NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4)
YouTube - Police Brutality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ)
YouTube - Police Brutality at Drive Thru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E)
YouTube - Warren Police Officer Tasers Handcuffed Woman Multiple Times (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMpEr-MOSyk)
YouTube - Some Hawaii Students Say Attack Case Of Police Brutality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j12XMV8glII)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxR-rp_DbxY
YouTube - Police Brutality: Woman Beaten Off Camera (graphic) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KM1ukwBGv4)
YouTube - Police Brutality -- Violence Caught On Tape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_c2ihRA84M)
speechlesstx
Sep 2, 2008, 11:23 AM
Here's 4 more:
5, that's a real epidemic. About like in Canada (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4213903p-4806511c.html), eh?
NeedKarma
Sep 2, 2008, 11:56 AM
Manitoba police and natives have always had a uneasy relationship. We have nowhere near the brutality that is seen in the videos posted above. Feel free to prove me wrong cowboy.
BTW I posted 12 like you asked, where did you get the "5" number?
asking
Sep 2, 2008, 12:49 PM
5, that's a real epidemic. About like in Canada (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4213903p-4806511c.html), eh?
It shouldn't be happening at all. Judging from the number of examples on Youtube, I'd say it was epidemic. There's another of two cops tasing a woman because she wouldn't get out of the car after being stopped and ticketed for going 51 in a 35 mph zone. The cop who was talking could have just ticketed her and let her go. She was arguing about the legality of the stop but basically cooperating, stayed in the car, gave him her license, etc.
After he's done, he gets his partner and orders her out of the car, she stayed put, and he tasered her in her own car. He didn't say anything about her being drunk, so there's no indication that was the reason. Besides speeding, he told her she had a broken window and tail light and wasn't wearing her seatbelt.
The worst part are the comments--about how she had it coming because she talked back to him, "women are stupid," references to the fact that she was black, as though those were sufficient reasons to taser her. Depressing.
I can't think of any reason to taser an unarmed person who is not committing or threatening to commit any violence. If these kinds of cops were in charge, they'd probably taser their children for refusing to clean up their rooms when so ordered. My own godfather was a cop --a good one-- and he would never have done anything like this.
speechlesstx
Sep 2, 2008, 02:43 PM
Asking, no it shouldn't happen at all but the fact is it does and it will and always has. It's not a justification, some of us just grow weary of NK harping on problems in America as if Canada doesn't face the same problems. By and large the police in America do a pretty good job considering, I certainly don't fear being a victim of police misconduct and never have.
NeedKarma
Sep 2, 2008, 02:58 PM
Steve-o,
Have you not noticed that all your questions asked on this board always relate to something that is wrong in the US?
speechlesstx
Sep 2, 2008, 04:25 PM
Manitoba police and natives have always had a uneasy relationship. We have nowhere near the brutality that is seen in the videos posted above. Feel free to prove me wrong cowboy.
BTW I posted 12 like you asked, where did you get the "5" number?
From when you said "Here's 4 more." Add that to the original and that makes 5.
speechlesstx
Sep 2, 2008, 04:27 PM
Steve-o,
Have you not noticed that all your questions asked on this board always relate to something that is wrong in the US?
Well gee, now I live in the US so I usually address situations here. But by all means don't count the global warming updates, the Islamacization of Europe and other such posts.
ricky0604fh
Sep 5, 2008, 01:01 PM
I was wondering how someone would justify knocking down an unarmed 100lb woman with a baton.
I wonder why they didn't arrest her until later when she was speaking to the media? Plus they grabbed her quite forcefully didn't they?
Is all this stuff ok in the US?
No its not OK..
But it doesn't matter anymore
The constitution is destroyed and bush is dictator now
Thanks ot executive order and pdd 51
Watch out, if we attack iran or russia it will be ww3, we have to stop this from happening
ETWolverine
Sep 5, 2008, 02:05 PM
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I find it interesting that we don't see much of the protest itself before the girl was hit. Was she the innocent bystander that the maker of this video would like us to think?
I also find it interesting that despite the fact that you clearly hear people being warned away from the vehicle, this girl chose NOT to move back. In fact, I saw her reaching for the cop, or at least in the direction of the cop. If a cop told me to move back, I'd just move back. I wouldn't reach for him.
Do we know if this was a LEGAL protest? Was there a permit? Or did the Pinkies just decide to have their protest wherever they wanted, just as they did at the Republican convention during McCain's speech. It ain't "peaceful" protest if they're breaking the law.
Here, take some advice.
How Not To Get Your A** Kicked By The Cops (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPn2VxBMSY&feature=related)
This video ought to be required viewing for any code pink weenies out there who want to pi... ff the powers that be but don't want to deal with the consequences thereof.
Elliot
ETWolverine
Sep 7, 2008, 10:35 AM
YouTube - FOX News Crew Eaten Alive by Protesters at Democratic National Convention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHm3Yl9IHI&NR=1)
Nice peaceful protest. What are they protesting about?
NeedKarma
Sep 7, 2008, 10:50 AM
YouTube - FOX News Crew Eaten Alive by Protesters at Democratic National Convention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHm3Yl9IHI&NR=1)
Nice peaceful protest. What are they protesting about?They know how much Fox News sucks! LOL! That was great! Thank you. Read more about that clip here: Digg - Crowd Chants " FOX News!" live on FOX News! (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Crowd_Chants_F_ck_FOX_News_live_on_FOX_News)
coogiez
Sep 10, 2008, 08:08 AM
"not goin to do it again"
"break it up "
Someone needs a chill pill, a BIG one! :p