This is a silly question maybe, and I know there is no scriptural basis for it. However, I recently saw John Carpenter's movie "Prince of Darkness", and it explains that Satan basically was an ancient evil being from another galaxy who came and tried to take over the earth. Anyway I thought it was kind of an interesting idea. Reminded me a bit also of the movie "Stargate".

Not a silly question... been pondering the alien issue for years... what if all we are is a giant experiment and the aliens are the watchers... plucking a few subjects here and there to see how far we have evolved... the Satan from another galaxy could totally be believable...

We can not trust our eyes for the truth is never easy to see

HI,
Depends on your beliefs.
My own personal religious and spiritual beliefs do not see the Devil coming from another planet.

The Bible tells us that he is not from another planet but is simply one of the original spirit creatures called angels who decided to rebel. However, he's just as alien as if he were from another planet and capable of doing far more damage if he wasn't held back.

1 Peter 5:8
Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
NIV

The Christian answer, in general, is that Satan is a created angelic being; not a physical being that would reside on a planet.

We all know what the majority of the people believe the Bible says about it and what certain relions say about it... there is no need to pound that answer into the ground.

On a matter of speculation, I agree with Tommy up there. It is a fascinating idea and in my eyes, is actually perfectly explainable by the Bible and religion.

Of course, our Human interpretation of the Bible just isn't that way. Why? I don't know. I know that there are those out there that believe this idea 100%. Does Religion discount this idea? I mean, if that is true, would the Creator not be considered God? What part of Religion says that Heaven is NOT simply another planet, realm, or dimension? Or that Angels are not just another Life Form?

Thanks for all your answers guys... Yes I know there is no biblical basis for it, I was just interested in the idea after seeing the movie. Like I said, it also kind of reminds me of the movie Stargate, in which the Egyptian gods were powerful aliens from another planet.


Of course, our Human interpretation of the Bible just isnt that way. Why? I dont know. I know that there are those out there that believe this idea 100%. Does Religion discount this idea? I mean, if that is true, would the Creator not be considered God? What part of Religion says that Heaven is NOT simply another planet, realm, or dimension? Or that Angels are not just another Life Form?

Those are great questions, DrJ! This is the kind of thing I'm wondering about too. Maybe someone on the forum can answer or elaborate a bit more. I think it's really interesting too that other people believe this or have speculated about it... I didn't realize it was so widespread. But I guess the idea for the movie had to come from somewhere!

This is slightly off topic, but a similar idea... someone told me that the Mormons believe in other planets, and that when you die, you go to live on another planet. Is this true? Maybe there is someone who belongs to the Mormon church (or knows something about it) who can answer this. Thanks.

This is slightly off topic, but a similar idea... someone told me that the Mormons believe in other planets, and that when you die, you go to live on another planet. Is this true? Maybe there is someone who belongs to the Mormon church (or knows something about it) who can answer this. Thanks.

Im not Mormon, and therefore, maybe shouldn't be answering this question... but, from what I have picked up over time is that they do. If you lead a perfect enough life, you will transcend to become a God of your own planet. I believe part of the reason why they have many children is that their children will populate their planet.

They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.

(Again, this is information that I have picked up over time and I cannot back it up so don't take it to the heart.)

Yes, Mormons are taught that we can one day be the God of our own planet. In fact they believe that the god of our planet is a created being.

Hmmm... interesting. Where do they get these ideas? Are they in the Book of Mormon?

I don't find it verbatum in the Book of Mormon (http://www.hti.umich.edu/m/mormon/), but was told that by an elder at one of our local Mormon Temples.

Here's a bit more about it with citations:
http://www.ondoctrine.com/1mormo19.htm

Thanks so much, Rick... I'll check it out when I get a chance. :)

Fallen angels. Wasn't Satan a Fallen Angel? So... like... where did he and his cronies fall from? Musta been from out of the sky. So here we are, a bunch of dumb humans some 20, 30, 40 or so thousand years ago and here come these super dudes falling from the sky. Genesis says they had sex with earth woman and had some really narley offspring. Big dudes of renown. Big doesn't have to mean giants. Big hearts? Big brains? Anyway, they taught us how to do some pretty cool things. Like blow stuff up and kill lots of other humans. Their offspring are still here by the way. Some of them are working in Washington DC as we speak! They say that G.W. is one but that just makes me laugh! I think he is an honorary little devil! Most of them are the kings bloodline that rule most nations. The thing is, they can't leave this planet since this is where they were banished to. They have decided that soon they will stop the charade and come out for all the world to see. When that happens, life as we know it will suddenly end! Enoch told all about them but they (the church fathers) suppresed it. More about the real truth of this planet has been suppressed than has not. That is why everyone keeps asking these same questions!:eek:

Bible human history goes back only about 6000 years. The term "fall" is not a literal fall. It is a distancing or falling away from God's favor. The term nephilim doesn't mean giant or big. To say that the nephilim survived God's judgement is to say that God failed.

Yep, that's what everybody says!

Yep, that's what everybody says!

That's what the Bible which you claim to have unswerving faith in says.

Jesus himself spoke about the Noachian flood as an historical event:

Luke 17:27
People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. NIV

The book of Jude speaks about the rebel angels and how they have been restrained since that time.

Jude 1
6And (U)angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has (V)kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
NIV

I recall hearing a theory that the hollywood standard "gray alien" is thought to really be a demon - out to corrupt humanity. Extrapolating that, it seems almost logical that the devil could be from another planet!

Satan plays with us in many different ways. If the people of earth thought that they were being invaded by "real space aliens" then would'nt they question the bible and GOD's word? In Genesis, it say's that the fallen angels had sex with earth women and their offspring would not be allowed to enter heaven after dying. GOD told them that they would be evil spirits that roamed the earth. That is who the "aliens" are that people claim to have these encounters with. It's all designed to blow your mind and question GOD. Don't buy into it. We are much more powerful than they. They were jelious of us from the beginning. They don't have much to look forward to but we can create our own destiny with one, hard held, positive thought. There is only one truth in the entire universe and that one truth will prevail in the end.:p

I recall hearing a theory that the hollywood standard "gray alien" is thought to really be a demon - out to corrupt humanity. Extrapolating that, it seems almost logical that the devil could be from another planet!

I'm familiar with that concept and it certainly is possible that UFOs and alien sightings are just another effort on the part of Satan and his cohorts to distract mankind from paying attention to the things that really matter in our lives. One thing to keep in mind for our own safety is that although such demons are not permitted to materialize any longer as they did during Noah's day, one way that they still are able to approach humans is via spirit mediums, through which they impersonate deceased loved ones.

BTW
That's why the Mosaic Law prohibits the consultation with spirit mediums. Because it opens a gateway to communication with rebel angels. Israelite King Saul was one who disobeyed this commandment and paid the price.

The point I am very unclear on is the time frames in which Satan and all of his cohorts are susposed to stay locked down. Some folks believe that the only place they were banished to was here on the earth. Just like Adam and Eve were cast out of paradise onto the earth, so were Satan and the others... to the lower physical plane. A lot of people these days are experiancing something other worldly. If Satan and his buddies are locked away somewhere, then what are people actually seeing?:confused:

The point I am very unclear on is the time frames in which Satan and all of his cohorts are susposed to stay locked down. Some folks believe that the only place they were banished to was here on the earth. Just like Adam and Eve were cast out of paradise onto the earth, so were Satan and the others...to the lower physical plane. A lot of people these days are experiancing something other worldly. If Satan and his buddies are locked away somewhere, then what are people actually seeing?:confused:


I had written a more detailed answer but my computer crashed and I lost all the material. I will reboot to see if that fixes the problem and try to provide scriptural support later today.



In the book of Job Satan is shown having some access to heaven. This fact is confirmed later in the book of Revelations as you shall see.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. KJV

Then he is shown bringing calamity to Job on earth. This is after the flood so the condition described in Jude as tartarus wasn't preventing him from shuttling between heaven and earth. In Job also a spirit or demon is described as helping Satan against Job via messages through dreams. So they too were active as well.

He and his demons also were busy during Jesus' day as can be seen by the people they harassed.

Matthew 8

28And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? Art thou come hither to torment us before the time? KJV

So the imprisonment or restraint did not involve their continued meddling in human affairs or even their access to heaven for that matter unless the scripture limits that punishment to the angels who took part in the preflood incident. But we cannot understand it that way because then we would need to exempt Satan from the punishment. In view of these facts, some Bible scholars have concluded that the reference to darkness and being in bonds refers to their being divested of their former heavenly privileges and their being far from God's light. In anyt case, their would come a time when they would be restricted even further by being tewmporarily confined to earth.


The book of Revelations describes this then future event shown to JOhn in a vision:

Revelation 12

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. KJV


Then we are told that this end time would end with a war called Armageddon. Satan and his angels would be restrained for a thousand years during which time they would be prevented from interacting with mankind.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. KJV


After the thousand years during which the resurrection of the dead and physical and spiritual healing until mankind reaches its former Adamic perfection takes place, they will be permitted to tempt mankind for the final time and then destroyed.


BTW

The time of the end is described as a time of turmoil, confusion, fear, anxiety about the things mankind is experiencing. It is attributed to Satan's knowing he has only a short time before he is retrained and being angered by it. This is described as happening after he's restricted to earth.

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. KJV

I listen to the late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Norey quite a bit. There are a lot of people seeing what they are calling "Shadow People", Aliens, and also a lot of people are waking in the night to a very distinguished looking gentleman standing over them exuding nothing but pure evil throughout the room. I know there are things such as sleep disorders but this is getting out of hand. I was listening to a guy that has a theory that during the Hitler period, Satan was loosed even more upon the planet to reek havock. I don't know for sure but I am 50 years old and I can honestly tell you that this world is changing and it isn't for the better! I believe we are in the very beginning of the end times the bible talks about. I really do wish it were just a fairy tale like so many want to believe but I'm afraid that is just not the case. At any rate, thanks for the good info and sorry about your computer crashing. I panic when my computer starts acting like it has a brain of it's own!:)

Hope I'm not interrupting your discussion guys, but I just wanted to say thanks for all the great things you've contributed to my thread. I'm really enjoying reading it all! I don't have much to contribute as I don't know enough about the subject, but I'm very happy to read it, so keep writing! :)

I listen to the late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Norey quite a bit. There are a lot of people seeing what they are calling "Shadow People", Aliens, and also a lot of people are waking in the night to a very distinguished looking gentleman standing over them exuding nothing but pure evil throughout the room. I know there are things such as sleep disorders but this is getting out of hand. I was listening to a guy that has a theory that during the Hitler period, Satan was loosed even more upon the planet to reek havock. I don't no for sure but I am 50 years old and I can honestly tell you that this world is changing and it aint for the better! I believe we are in the very beginning of the end times the bible talks about. I really do wish it were just a fairy tale like so many want to believe but I'm afraid that is just not the case. At any rate, thanks for the good info and sorry about your computer crashing. I panic when my computer starts acting like it has a brain of it's own!:)


Well, the end of this world is good news since it means that earth will finally once again be under the direct administration of the one who created it.

Luke 21:31
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Isaiah 65

17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. KJV


BTW
My computer is just too old to be reliable. It is a Compaq 1995 version.
Sooner or later I will simply have to force myself to throw it away.
About the UFOs, I saw one thirty years ago and it focused its lights on me. YIKES!

BTW
My computer is just too old to be reliable. It is a Compaq 1995 version.
Sooner or later I will simply have to force myself to throw it away.
About the UFOs, I saw one thirty years ago and it focused its lights on me. YIKES!

OMG Starman and you're actually able to get internet on it?? :D

That's even older than my old Windows 98 IBM, which we have now given to the kids to play on. I just got a new computer with Windows xp. Actually I was pleasantly surprised at how inexpensive it was. And it's much faster and easier to use.

OMG Starman and you're actually able to get internet on it??? :D

That's even older than my old Windows 98 IBM, which we have now given to the kids to play on. I just got a new computer with Windows xp. Actually I was pleasantly surprised at how inexpensive it was. And it's much faster and easier to use.


LOL Everyone is amazed on how I tweak this machine and keep it barely going. When I bought it, of course, it was state-of-the art technology. Now the only state it's in maybe is a state of shock. My CD ROM is nonfunctional since it has a disk stuck in it. But you know Orange, considering its age, it's not doing that bad. But I think I better take evasive action before it decides to call it quits. After all, tweaking can only get you so far and then it's goodnight muchachos. : )

Yeah it must be a pretty good machine to still be going! At least you're getting your money's worth, as computers cost an awful lot more in 1995 than they do now! :p

Seriously though, I'm wondering how you manage to have internet on it, LOL. Here, to have DSL or cable internet, you need at least windows 98. Are you on dial-up? Or did you manage to tweak it enough to get highspeed internet? If so, you should be congratulated... that's pretty amazing! :)

Yes, I am curious also. Did you upgrade to win 98? If so, you probably had to throw in a bigger hard drive since 98 is a much larger file than 95. Then, memory becomes a problem. Also, did you replace the old crank start with a new bolt on electric start? :)
I have also seen UFOs. My good friend and I were backpacking and we had three of them buzz us for about 3 hours. The deep, gut feeling I got from them was not a good feeling. More sinister than anything else. We tried to make it back to civilization before anything happened. I am not sure that is the case though. Only a hypnotist could tell for sure.:confused:

Yes, I am curious also. Did you upgrade to win 98? If so, you probably had to throw in a bigger hard drive since 98 is a much larger file than 95. Then, memory becomes a problem. Also, did you replace the old crank start with a new bolt on electric start? :)

The other amazing thing about it is that it's a Compaq! Not that compaqs are bad, but from what I've heard, they are difficult to upgrade. So Starman, you will have to fill us on all that!


I have also seen UFOs. My good friend and I were backpacking and we had three of them buzz us for about 3 hours. The deep, gut feeling I got from them was not a good feeling. More sinister than anything else. We tried to make it back to civilization before anything happened. I am not sure that is the case though. Only a hypnotist could tell for sure.:confused:

Oooh that sounds so creepy and yet so exciting. I've never seen a UFO, although I'd really like to. The only thing we see in the sky up north is the Aurora Bourealis (northern lights). But they are pretty spectacular!

Yeah it must be a pretty good machine to still be going! At least you're getting your money's worth, as computers cost an awful lot more in 1995 than they do now! :p

Seriously though, I'm wondering how you manage to have internet on it, LOL. Here, to have DSL or cable internet, you need at least windows 98. Are you on dial-up? Or did you manage to tweak it enough to get highspeed internet? If so, you should be congratulated... that's pretty amazing! :)




Hi Orange!


I did try to run it on high speed net but the memory was too clogged at that time and it didn't work out. But I have far more memory now since I went on a deleting-of- unecessary-programs rampage some time ago. So that wouldn't be a problem any longer--I think. Yep! I'm still using Windows 95. I can't upgrade because there is a CD stuck in the CDROM drive. This also prevents me from using the reinstallation CD that came with the computer and forces me to come up with compensatory strategies which have kept the unit going but at an ever decreasing efficiency. After years of unrelenting struggle, I can now finally and honestly say that it is on its last legs.



BTW
I was advised to either invest a substantial amount of money in fixing the computer or else buy a new one. I think I'll go for the latter since the cost of fixing it would be greater than its market value.

Yes, I am curious also. Did you upgrade to win 98? If so, you probably had to throw in a bigger hard drive since 98 is a much larger file than 95. Then, memory becomes a problem. Also, did you replace the old crank start with a new bolt on electric start? :)
I have also seen UFOs. My good friend and I were backpacking and we had three of them buzz us for about 3 hours. The deep, gut feeling I got from them was not a good feeling. More sinister than anything else. We tried to make it back to civilization before anything happened. I am not sure that is the case though. Only a hypnotist could tell for sure.:confused:

Hi magprob!

I only use the crank when the electric bolt-on digamajig goes haywire.
I'm still on Windows 95 cause of a disk stuck in the CDROM.

You were harassed three hours by UFOS?
How were they buzzing you? How close were they?
My experience lasted about fifteen minutes and I came away feeling as you do.
The thing's shape, its movement, its lights that focused on me, and its erratic silent running as well as its organic looking hull were indeed sinister! There was also a time discrepancy when I arrived home and headlines in the papers the next day about a UFO causing havoc at the Miami Airport. That's the direction it was moving when I last saw it

This is a silly question maybe, and I know there is no scriptural basis for it. However, I recently saw John Carpenter's movie "Prince of Darkness", and it explains that Satan basically was an ancient evil being from another galaxy who came and tried to take over the earth. Anyways I thought it was kind of an interesting idea. Reminded me a bit also of the movie "Stargate".
Hi

Yes he is from another planet but so is God. They are all from another planet.

misty1947

Yes it is somewhat like stargate/ did you know there are some places that we are not allowed to go because it is like a stargate. It could be like a door, or tunnel etc.

misty1947

This is a silly question maybe, and I know there is no scriptural basis for it. However, I recently saw John Carpenter's movie "Prince of Darkness", and it explains that Satan basically was an ancient evil being from another galaxy who came and tried to take over the earth. Anyways I thought it was kind of an interesting idea. Reminded me a bit also of the movie "Stargate".

It is not a silly question orange,

It is something to think about...

Devil /Satan /Shaitan may not be from another planet according to muslim beliefs, but it is not an angel but it is from among the jinn (creatures made from smokeless fire)(some jinn are good while others are evil just like among humans).
And we believe they do live in a different dimension from the humans and sometimes they can see us even if we cannot see them.

Satan was just one of the favoured jinns at the time Adam was created but it disobeyed the command of the Almighty for it and the angels to bow down to Adam and hence was doomed to be in the Hellfire and cast out of Heaven.
It has been given respite until this world ends and Satan has promised to mislead as many humans as possible from the right path.

I do wonder too if all those seeing UFOs could be seeing jinns flying from one place to another and not some alien intelligent being from another planet.!

http://muttaqun.com/quran/e/
Chapter 72 of the Quran is all about the jinn

Many sufi psychics had seen jinns through the meditation- even god was also visible for them through the 6th sense-

many sufi psychics had seen jinns through the meditation- even god was also visible for them through the 6th sense-

Hey Cassini,
Sufi mystics think they see God, which means that they believe they are seeing God, but most muslims will not agree with this as a fact.

Sufis seeing jinn, I can believe as many ordinary people also see jinn (ghosts/spirits) in their daily lives.:)

I don't believe in satan. I only believe in God. Life elsewhere in the universe may exist, but it would take them millions or billions of years to traverse the vast distances involved, which makes it improbable that the earth has ever been visited by someone or something from elsewhere in the universe.

This is a silly question maybe, and I know there is no scriptural basis for it. However, I recently saw John Carpenter's movie "Prince of Darkness", and it explains that Satan basically was an ancient evil being from another galaxy who came and tried to take over the earth. Anyways I thought it was kind of an interesting idea. Reminded me a bit also of the movie "Stargate".
There is no devil

Some people say that the earth is hollow Admiral Byrd and others have said they have been to the center of the earth and there were alien creatures there. I think the Nordics or the grays.
And then there is the *myth* that hell is in the center of the earth.
The Bible does say about the principalities and powers of the air meaning demonic spirits which could be aliens as well as some references in the Old Testament that could be referring to UF0's.

Im not Mormon, and therefore, maybe shouldnt be answering this question... but, from what I have picked up over time is that they do. If you lead a perfect enough life, you will transcend to become a God of your own planet. I believe part of the reason why they have many children is that their children will populate their planet.

They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.

(Again, this is information that I have picked up over time and I cannot back it up so dont take it to the heart.)
You can not have a sibling unless you were born of woman.Satin was not born>
Jack

This is a silly question maybe, and I know there is no scriptural basis for it. However, I recently saw John Carpenter's movie "Prince of Darkness", and it explains that Satan basically was an ancient evil being from another galaxy who came and tried to take over the earth. Anyways I thought it was kind of an interesting idea. Reminded me a bit also of the movie "Stargate".
If you are a Christen Christen Rev. 12--7 tell us where satan is.He is being held by Michael In heaven and will be cast out with his angels.When,no human knows.
Jack

If you are a Christen Christen Rev. 12--7 tell us where satan is.He is being held by Michael In heaven and will be cast out with his angels.When,no human knows.
Jack

Let's look at that passage:

Rev 12:7-9
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
NKJV

Note that this already happened. This is when Satan rebelled against God, and when one third of the Holy angels followed him in rebellion, they became demons. It also does not say that Satan is being held by Michael.

I have to disagree that it has already happened.If you read on in chapter 12--12 tells me that has not happened.
Revelation means to reveal.
Jack

I have to disagree that it has already happened.If you read on in chapter 12--12 tells me that has not happened.
Revelation means to reveal.
Jack

Rev 12:12 says it has already happened.

Rev 12:12
12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
NKJV

Yes, revelation means to reveal, and certainly much in the books reveals that which is to happen, and there are parts which reveal that which has already happened. If you still disagree that that anything which has happened is revealed in the Book of Revelation, read chapters 1-3.

Further, if Satan is bound by Michael, and the angels have not rebelled, how could Satan be tempting us and where did the demons on earth come from?

The seal is the 6th (Mark 13)as in 666 satans number.He is not here on earth yet but his evil spirits are here.
Jack

The seal is the 6th (Mark 13)as in 666 satans number.He is not here on earth yet but his evil spirits are here.
Jack
Ezekiel 44 through 48 is in the 1000 years 3rd earth age.

jackman,

I don't know where you are getting this stuff from, but unless we can actually look at it from scripture, we will get nowhere. All I see you doing is making comments about scripture, without quoting it or looking at the context, or responding to the questions raised against your interpretation. For example, I asked you the following with respect to your claim that Satan in bound in heaven by Michael. Rather than wandering through other verses, p,lease address these points:

If Satan is bound by Michael, and the angels have not rebelled, how could Satan be tempting us and where did the demons on earth come from?

I am not going get nasty over this.You type down what each verse says but you read it the way you have been taught.I would say you have been listen to preachers too much.You don't explain why you think it has already happened.You just say that is the way it is.You need to go back to the beginning and star over.You have to know what happened in the garden or you are never going to get right.That's all right you will be taught in the 1000 years that is coming.Stop listening to preachers. Get yourself a Strongs Concordance and learn.I tell you what,go to Proverbs 19-2 that wi9ll tell you the problem you have learning.
Have a great day.
Jack

I am not going get nasty over this.

Good! All I am asking is that you address the questions that I raised.


You type down what each verse says but you read it the way you have been taught.

Actually, not true. I looked into the context. For example, you claimed that Michael was holding Satan, but have yet to provide a verse that says that, so you have added to that passage in Rev 12.

You also claimed that the defeat and tossing out of Satan in heaven is in the future, but again, you have not explained how then he is able to tempt us down here, and where the demons came from since your theology would also have the fallen angels still in heaven, and perhaps even, your theology would appear to require that the fall of these angels has not yet happened.


I would say you have been listen to preachers too much.You don't explain why you think it has already happened.

I did, and asked you related question that you have so far refused to answer. Now, rather than making accusations about me, why don't you answer those questions?