I am a 22 years old, a bit of a brat, and have been in a 1 year and 4 month relationship with my boyfriend. You see, he was actually my trainer here from work. At the time we had first met he was living at home with his mom, his kid, and the girl he got pregnant. I on the other hand was single and was some what loving it.

We started to date and I got to know more about him and how unhappy he was with this girl that he accidentally got pregnant. They were in a "for show" relationship and he felt very deprived from being stuck with this girl just because of their kid. He told me about their fights and how he would always walk over to is Uncle's place (which is about 4-5 houses away from his mom's house) to sleep and hang out since he could no longer stand being in the same room as her. In short he was miserable and had been contemplating leaving for quite some time. After a week he decided to leave his kid & family to be with me. He got an apartment close to my place and we decided to live in together. A lot of things happened during this time.

Days passed and we had the normal kind of relationship, we had occasional fights where in I would become so emotional that I would break it off with him - but eventually we would talk it out and things would be okay again. Overall our relationship was pretty intimate and we understood each other very well. At first he was crazy about me and whenever we would fight he would be the one to apologize.

Recently he has been indifferent with me. A couple weeks ago he had proposed for me to move back in at my Mom's place. :mad:
He said he wanted some space since he felt very suffocated from seeing and being with me 24/7. I would not allow it and told him that I love being around him and living with him -- so on.

Just this Friday I had gotten the flu and couldn't make it to work. He on the other hand was off that day and had plans which he had already told me about a week before. Instead of staying with me he still decided to go out on this so called business meeting for events planning. He texted me around 11PM to ask me if I was feeling better and to tell me that his cell phone was low on battery and not to worry if it was off. :eek:
I know him, and he is not the type to run out of battery - or the kind who forgets to charge his cell. You see, I actually have a tracker on his phone (which he knows about) so that I can tell more or less where he is when he goes out with his boys. Since he knows about it I have a hunch that he did this on purpose in order for me not to track him.

What he did of course drove me crazy so I called up a friend and asked her to accommodate me since I wasn't to sure how to get to the place he was supposedly at that night. So, yes I drove about half an hour to pick up my friend then drove another half hour further up town to where he said he would be. Upon getting there we checked all the bars and possible joints he could've been at but he was no where in sight.

The next day I confronted him and asked him what was up. He told me that he had decided to move back to his Uncle's house (about 4 houses away from his mom's house - where his ex and his son still live). He told me that he wanted to have some space and that we shouldn't communicate or see each other until next weekend. The bad thing is I feel that I was the one who put the whole moving back in at his Uncle's place into his head. :(
Remember when I said he asked if I could move back in with my Mom because he needed some alone time - privacy - space or whatever you want to call it? I was so infuriated and told him: "Then why don't we both just move back in to where we both originally came from - just so its fair?".

I kept begging for an answer on why he was doing this and asked him if he was getting back together with his ex who now (from what I hear) already has a new boyfriend. He said definitely NOT. Then I asked him if there was someone else, and he assured me there wasn't. He just said that he needed time to think; that he had a lot on his mind and that he just wanted to spend time apart. He said he missed being with his son and doing the things he used to do like going out with his boys and just hanging out with his childhood friends. Please help me understand what all of this means. I know that this can only mean one of the two things - either we are going to get back together - or we are going to break up permanently. Help... I don't understand what's going on. My number one hunch is that he probably has someone new who he isn't 100% sure about - which is why he is keeping me as a fallback, you know what I mean?

I should probably let you know that just 3 months ago I caught him texting another girl, although they had never met in person yet, I consider this as cheating. As of right now I am officially lost & confused. What should I do? :confused:

Give him what he needs it's the best thing to do...

I know that's what I should do.. But you know that sh*tty feeling we all get because of instances like this?. I can't fight it sometimes.. Just this morning I started calling and texting him again.. I even sent him a long email saying how I missed him and telling him about all the wonderful memories we had made together. He didn't reply - I'm guessing he's trying to be all firm with his request. It's pathetic but I have one of his jackets with me at home - I sprayed his cologne on it and every time I miss him or try to get some sleep I hug his jacket and sniff it until I cry and cry then eventually fall asleep. I feel so unappreciated and taken for granted but I don't want to lose him. Why is he doing this to us? And to ME? I never cheated on him, and yes, I am guilty of nagging sometimes but all the ladies out there know its because I care.

That whole story is sad, from the first paragraph where he left his kid to date you... and downhill from there.

There is nothing even resembling a positive influence in that entire story. Nothing. Just sad and more sad.

Now that you two are apart from one another, I suggest starting fresh and possibly having a much more exciting and positive experience all the way around. Don't you think that would be nice?

We all make mistakes.

Time to move on.

That whole idea sounds enticing and just about right, but it isn't all that easy. You see I love him - a lot. Like a lot a lot and I really don't want to let this go. :(

He wants space give it to him, especially since it seems he is TAKING it any way.

I don't think you have much choice. Sounds to me like he is probably gone.
This whole relationship started on a really bad note. He leaves his family for you after a week and he was your trainer work. Red flags all over the place. He leaves his family a week after meeting you, he bangs your car, you sleep around and was pregnant. None of this is a good mix.
Move on girl friend. Karma is a B***h and you may be getting a taste of it.

Sometimes doing the tough things in life mean you'll get rewards later.

Please look at my Breakup survival guide below... as in love as you are requires major detox..

REMEMBER: LOVE DOES NOT MAKE A RELATIONSHIP RIGHT.

Being in love with someone does not mean it's fate or the universe's plan - it means your mind and body have laid claim to something that may not be right... fight for yourself or you'll lose yourself in this - and heaven forbid repeat it again... fight. Fight. Fight. We're rooting for you.

You should leave him.... he left his ex & his child for you? That's a shallow person!

So is everyone saying that I might as well lose all hope and consider this relationship over? Thanks for all the advice and the How to Survive a Break Up literature but he said we would talk again this weekend, so I am looking forward to what he has to say. I hope that things work out for the best though. What is up with men and their space? My ex played the "space" card on me several times - I was devastated but he came back after each soul searching-time apart-thing he had. Hopefully this is the same?? ;) I asked him (my ex) about that just yesterday since we are in good terms now, he said he just had to think things through and clear his mind. I don't get it - really.

ok, time for some tough love:

This may be the most important note you've received in a while.

You do NOT have good relationship instincts. You need to find a good guy and protect yourself. My guess is you plan to hang in with this relationship for many more months - and in the end he will need space - or have second thoughts. Again, just a guess but you are likely attractive but have some issues from growing up that make you accept relationships in a way that does not demand respect. You must force yourself to create a life with a true partner with real hope or it's going to be pain... pain... pain... pain... its about meeting on the same level - intelectually and emotionally. It's work to avoid guys like you are dating now... as much as that sucks.

So is everyone saying that I might as well lose all hope and consider this relationship over? Thanks for all the advice and the How to Survive a Break Up literature but he said we would talk again this weekend, so I am looking forward to what he has to say. I hope that things work out for the best though. What is up with men and their space? My ex played the "space" card on me several times - I was devastated but he came back after each soul searching-time apart-thing he had. Hopefully this is the same??? ;) I asked him (my ex) about that just yesterday since we are in good terms now, he said he just had to think things thru and clear his mind. I don't get it - really.

Don't put your hopes so high and expect that you 2 will be back together.

You need to find a man who is going to be responsible for himself..

That's always easier said than done. It is so easy to say: " Move on." & "Forget him." BUT I LOVE THIS PERSON. We had/have a life together. We had plans. I can't just turn around and date the next guy I lay eyes on. Oh how I wish it was all that easy.

ok, time for some tough love:

this may be the most important note you've received in a while.

you do NOT have good relationship instincts. you need to find a good guy and protect yourself. my guess is you plan to hang in with this relationship for many more months - and in the end he will need space - or have second thoughts. again, just a guess but you are likely attractive but have some issues from growing up that make you accept relationships in a way that does not demand respect. you must force yourself to create a life with a true partner with real hope or it's gonna be pain...pain...pain....pain....its about meeting on the same level - intelectually and emotionally. it's work to avoid guys like you are dating now...as much as that sucks.

Again, I must say. You are in the fight of your life. You are attracted to men that are not good for you.

How old are you?
What do you do for a living?
Are your parents married?
What do they say?
This is serious... there are many women out there like you who become obsessed with men who will hurt them and they simply CANNOT walk away because the drama is so addictive.
What can you do?

See a counselor, protect yourself - huddle up with friends and family, go back to school, learn a trade and know you are going to SUFFER if you try to walk away, but you will suffer more if you stay. Hard to believe - and I HAVE been in your shoes - but it's the only way to come out on top and live the life you want... learn how to love guys that make our lives better and saner. Use this site, and the voices on here to stay strong!

It's actually VERY easy to date other people, even if you decide to hang on to your feelings for exes or "soon-to-be-exes". Dating isn't commitment. It's a meal and a movie. It's talking to a grownup who ISN'T screwing with your life/heart/emotions.

You know, normal guys. I know that may be a hard concept since your men seem to mess with you so much, but it's not normal.

Love is NOT an excuse to be blind and dumb. (I'm not calling you dumb, I'm saying beware of dumb choices in the name of love.) Love is a motivating energy to get things started. That's all. It takes ACTUAL compatibility and growth to turn love feelings into a successful future.

Plus, love bond or not, there really is a WHOLE plethora of men out there that would make your life better, not worse. You seem hell-bent on sticking it out during the dating phase until the incompatible men actually push you away. That shouldn't be necessary.

I think ASH nailed it, you're dating instincts ("my ex needed space too...I don't get it") are underdeveloped. You need to practice a lot more with many more men. Dating is easy. Loving takes almost no effort at all.

Choosing wisely in the real world when facing real facts... that's hard.

That's always easier said than done. It is so easy to say: " Move on." & "Forget him." BUT I LOVE THIS PERSON. We had/have a life together. We had plans. I can't just turn around and date the next guy I lay eyes on. Oh how I wish it was all that easy.

Look at me... I was in a relationship for a year and four months...

A week prior to my university finals, my girlfriend (now ex) dumps me out of the blue

ok, time for some tough love:

this may be the most important note you've received in a while.

you do NOT have good relationship instincts. you need to find a good guy and protect yourself. my guess is you plan to hang in with this relationship for many more months - and in the end he will need space - or have second thoughts. again, just a guess but you are likely attractive but have some issues from growing up that make you accept relationships in a way that does not demand respect. you must force yourself to create a life with a true partner with real hope or it's gonna be pain...pain...pain....pain....its about meeting on the same level - intelectually and emotionally. it's work to avoid guys like you are dating now...as much as that sucks.
Oh goodness, this is so dead on. I don't think you read it, or maybe you chose to ignore it.
You both have issues, and you both need to grow up (apart from each other) and take ownership of the problems you have. This relationship is toxic on many levels.

Him in a "for show" relationship?
You a self-confessed brat?
Was living with his mom?
You two fighting?
Looking for him in bars?
Abandoned his kids to hang out with you?
He feeling soffocated?
He texting other girls?
Faking cell calls to avoid "tracking"?


This has no chance of happiness. Zero.

Like an alcoholic you want more at all costs and you are both going to get hurt.

I am sorry. I have been there and it sucks. I know the obsession you feel. Really.

To get what you want in life you need to work hard for a good life and a good job (and if you did not grow up in a strong loving successful atmosphere it's much harder to do! It takes a RARE person)... OR suffer for years to come.

Love is blind but Ask Me Help Desk Ain't.

You need to walk away as much as it hurts and as much as you are in love because this is a disaster with no signs I can see of a happy ending.

I feel bad enough already. Geez. I was looking for advice - not for people whom I don't know to break me down. Maybe I don't have good relationship instincts, but I know what I want and I know where I'm happy. Maybe he won't want to work it out when we see each other again this weekend, maybe he will. If he does, I'm sure we will be able to work out a compromise that will make both of us happy. Things happen, people are who they are. He has a kid who he left to be with me? So what? It doesn't mean that he loves his kid any less. And YES, maybe this seems like the worse set up or relationship you so called "Relationship Experts" have ever heard of, but this is my life, these are my issues. Its easy to stand on your high horses and judge me and put me and my past relationships down.

As a parent myself, if you leave your child for someone you met the week before, it does not say much about your love for that child. This is not the actions of a mature responsible parent.
You are here asking for advice and we are giving it. The advice you are getting is just not what you want to hear.
You are young and therefore are only thinking in the now, so the advice you have been given means little. All I can say at this point is "I wish you well"

I know this sucks to read right now. I do feel for you.

I'm not judging you from a "high horse" - but what I'm telling you HONESTLY is that what you view as love and hope is... not... and it is very hard for you to see that. It takes WORK WORK WORK to break the cycle you are in. the answer you want for this guy? The magic formula? Its to walk away and that is advice you simply do not want... in a few months you may believe me, but not now.

You really need to talk to a counselor. Some are less expensive and available through local social work networks. Your life is not headed in a good direction and this guy - though you disagree strongly - is NOT the answer for a happy life - and that is the tough answer. Sometimes life is harder than we want... but we can make it better.

Anyway, I really do want you happy. That is the point here. The thing is some injuries require a band-aid, some require surgery and rehab. Yours is the latter. Therapy takes work.

I am a 22 years old, a bit of a brat, and have been in a 1 year and 4 month relationship with my boyfriend. You see, he was actually my trainer here from work. At the time we had first met he was living at home with his mom, his kid, and the girl he got pregnant. I on the other hand was single and was some what loving it.

We started to date and I got to know more about him and how unhappy he was with this girl that he accidentally got pregnant. They were in a "for show" relationship and he felt very deprived from being stuck with this girl just because of their kid. He told me about their fights and how he would always walk over to is Uncle's place (which is about 4-5 houses away from his mom's house) to sleep and hang out since he could no longer stand being in the same room as her. In short he was miserable and had been contemplating leaving for quite some time. After a week he decided to leave his kid & family to be with me. He got an apartment close to my place and we decided to live in together. A lot of things happened during this time.

Days passed and we had the normal kind of relationship, we had occasional fights where in I would become so emotional that I would break it off with him - but eventually we would talk it out and things would be okay again. Overall our relationship was pretty intimate and we understood each other very well. At first he was crazy about me and whenever we would fight he would be the one to apologize.

Recently he has been indifferent with me. A couple weeks ago he had proposed for me to move back in at my Mom's place. :mad:
He said he wanted some space since he felt very suffocated from seeing and being with me 24/7. I would not allow it and told him that I love being around him and living with him -- so on.

Just this Friday I had gotten the flu and couldn't make it to work. He on the other hand was off that day and had plans which he had already told me about a week before. Instead of staying with me he still decided to go out on this so called business meeting for events planning. He texted me around 11PM to ask me if I was feeling better and to tell me that his cell phone was low on battery and not to worry if it was off. :eek:
I know him, and he is not the type to run out of battery - or the kind who forgets to charge his cell. You see, I actually have a tracker on his phone (which he knows about) so that I can tell more or less where he is when he goes out with his boys. Since he knows about it I have a hunch that he did this on purpose in order for me not to track him.

What he did ofcourse drove me crazy so I called up a friend and asked her to accomodate me since I wasn't to sure how to get to the place he was supposedly at that night. So, yes I drove about half an hour to pick up my friend then drove another half hour further up town to where he said he would be. Upon getting there we checked all the bars and possible joints he could've been at but he was no where in sight.

The next day I confronted him and asked him what was up. He told me that he had decided to move back to his Uncle's house (about 4 houses away from his mom's house - where his ex and his son still live). He told me that he wanted to have some space and that we shouldn't communicate or see each other until next weekend. The bad thing is I feel that I was the one who put the whole moving back in at his Uncle's place into his head. :(
Remember when I said he asked if I could move back in with my Mom because he needed some alone time - privacy - space or whatever you want to call it? I was so infuriated and told him: "Then why don't we both just move back in to where we both originally came from - just so its fair?".

I kept begging for an answer on why he was doing this and asked him if he was getting back together with his ex who now (from what I hear) already has a new boyfriend. He said definitely NOT. Then I asked him if there was someone else, and he assured me there wasn't. He just said that he needed time to think; that he had alot on his mind and that he just wanted to spend time apart. He said he missed being with his son and doing the things he used to do like going out with his boys and just hanging out with his childhood friends. Please help me understand what all of this means. I know that this can only mean one of the two things - either we are going to get back together - or we are going to break up permanently. Help... I don't understand what's going on. My number one hunch is that he probably has someone new who he isn't 100% sure about - which is why he is keeping me as a fallback, you know what I mean?

I should probably let you know that just 3 months ago I caught him texting another girl, although they had never met in person yet, I consider this as cheating. As of right now I am officially lost & confused. What should I do? :confused:
You really need to get the truth. If he's not telling the truth, get rid of him. You are better than that. You deserve answers. I hope you find a good guy. They are very hard to come by. If he tells the truth, maybe you can forgive him & work things out, if not, you will be better off. You are lucky that you are young & can start a new life someday with somebody who loves you & appreciates you. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders. Kat

I don't blame you for being angry, since we have not given you what you want to hear, but good advice may not be the easy way out, but looks terrible to you now.

Just think a little further down the road, and give your actions, and choices a lot of thought, before you jump into something that feels good now, but brings consequences in the future, not just for you, but everyone else involved.

Good luck!

I know it's hard... I'm in a similar situation where I really want my ex back right now but know that I need to work on some stuff before it happens... I've been going to counselling and he's going away to work for a while so we won't see each other and maybe not have much more than a call once a week but I think that if that's what it's going to take to make this work then it's worth trying. I don't want to give up so am trying to give him what he wants while working on me and my own issues... hopefully I'll get my happy ending but I know it'll take time and might not even happen but by then I should be in the kind of place where I can deal with this and move on. Just give him his space and try and work on your own issues... find out why you're a brat and what makes you act the way you do... I've found out so much since I started my counselling. With space and some self-help/improvement maybe this relationship could work... because in time you might be able to deal with it maturely and see if there is really love there or just a need for someone to be there for you.

:confused: HELP! He just e-mailed me saying this.. My friends say that he's just trying to get attention.

Hey, I just want to know if you're going to stay in the apartment pa? Im planning to give it up na. Im really going back to my uncles place. What's your insight?

-- What do I do? Do I ignore it? Or do I reply, if so, what should I say?

He says he's going to give up the apartment and live with his uncle, I think this is the second time he has said that.
Take him at his word that he is leaving.
Get a clue girl.

Do nothing.

You'll hear more.

Come to this site every time he emails or calls and you will grow stronger...
And perhaps luckier.

I feel like crap.. Earlier today I got that e-mail from him and felt like I was on heaven since I took the extra effort to NOT reply.. I decided to let him "stew".
I just got home and decided to check his MySpace out.. To my surprise he has now changed his status to SINGLE.. I'm devastated.. :( We're not even officially broken up yet. Then I checked out his ex gifrlfriend's MySpace - you know - the girl he got pregnant who is still living at his mom's house? <The Nerve!> Her status used to be in IN A RELATAIONSHIP the last time I checked, but now she's also SINGLE. OH MY GOODNESS. I guess all of you were right after all.

I've read everything everyone has posted, and they are all right. It sounds like he is way too immature to have a real relationship. It seems like he just wants a "party boy" lifestyle, not a committed relationship. Guys will tell you anything you want to hear... re: when you said u were making plans together. Don't let him try out other girls, and then expect to come running back to you! Do not be that girl. Keep in touch and let everyone know what's going on in the life of Ivory0921. Move on, and good luck girl! :)

Do nothing.

Your have a chance for a new path in life.

Brats date brats... so, lay low and learn about yourself. To change is VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYY hard.

It may even be impossible for you after all you've been through.
But if you want to date a good guy and have a good life... you need to fight the desire for troubled men. Look for a way for a good job
And find a guy who wants to protect you -- and you him... sound silly and romantic? Maybe, but the opposite is pure hell and this site is proof.

You may not believe it but you are better off each day you do nothing.

This is a support system here. Feel free to use it when weak or troubled.

I just want to go to bed, sleep and never wake up at this point. I feel like crap.

Then sleep.

Come here when u need it.

Hi everyone! I'm back and am happy to say I'm doing a lot better. I just woke up one day and realized - "The hell with him!!!" I am now dating this fairly nice gentleman who was introduced to me by one of my officemates. We've been going out for about 2 weeks now and have been having a blast. He has introduced me to his very close circle of friends, his 2 younger sisters and his dad. Although I have no idea where all of this is going yet, I just feel like enjoying every moment of it. Thanks for all of your support everyone!:)

Good for you.
I wish you the best.

Sometimes the very thing we want most is the thing we most need to let go of. As a women I understand how much you want to pour out your feelings to him but I have to say that it isn't going to matter to him. Just by his non response to your email is a clue that he isn't interested.

He is so unsure of himself and if he is the type of man who would just leave his own child who should have been his first priority, what makes you think he would be any different to you? He is the type that is going to move from one relationship to the next because he is never satisfied. Do you really want to keep chasing after someone like that?

HELLO!!!?! I'm OVER it. Thanks for the advice - but its a month too late for it. :eek: ---> Hi everyone! I'm back and am happy to say I'm doing a lot better. I just woke up one day and realized - "The hell with him!!!" I am now dating this fairly nice gentleman who was introduced to me by one of my officemates. We've been going out for about 2 weeks now and have been having a blast. He has introduced me to his very close circle of friends, his 2 younger sisters and his dad. Although I have no idea where all of this is going yet, I just feel like enjoying every moment of it. Thanks for all of your support everyone!

Hi guys! I've been going out with this wonderful, amazing guy for about three weeks now. He seems pretty decent and just last weekend he told me that he was starting to have real "feelings" for me. He has introduced me to his very close circle of friends, his 2 younger sisters and his dad. :p We don't get to see each other during the weekdays because of work and our schedules so we usually spend Saturdays & Sundays together. Although its a bit awkward, we're not in that stage of our relationship yet where in we can be 100% honest and open about stuff. (Duh, I've only been seeing him for 3 weeks). We're still in that getting to know you stage.

Anyway, just yesterday he sent me a text message informing me that we would see each other on Saturday and that on Sunday he was going to a car show with 2 of his buds. He said that they plan to go drink after. I just replied "Kk! Ü". The truth is I so wanted to text him back and tell him that: "I thought weekends were for us???" or "Can I come with you guys?" Hehehehe.. I know I should give them their boys night out or whatever but I really missed him and I was looking forward to spending Saturday AND Sunday with him. How and what would be a good way to clue him in on how I'm feeling? I don't want to scare him away or make it seem like I'm smothering him so early in the relationship. :)

Also, its very weird but since we are kind of already in a relationship.. How do I "request" for us to both change our profile status on MySpace to "In A Relationship" rather than "Single"? Any suggestions?? :p

Take the "friendship" SLOWLY,one step at a time

After all,you've only known each other for 2 weeks!!

She has known him for 3 weeks! Not much difference.

As a guy I think waiting for 6 months before you start trying to take away my guy time, is about right. (and then we have a problem)

As far as that status stuff on line. Forget it. Keep in mind your only dating, and not exclusive, except by mutual agreement. Is it legal to change status after 3/4 weeks of dating???

Enjoy the slow time of getting to know him more... like Tal said, it's only been three weeks... there may be a lot of pinned up feelings there, but just take you time. Is it really that big of a deal that his myspace status says he's in a relationship? You don't want to be too over powering or else you could push him away...

Careful... One wrong step here could work against you.

Like it has been said, guy time, give him his guy time and I would be willing to be you end up seeing him sometime this weekend anyway.

The myspace thing? Leave it alone. Until you are in a truly committed relationship where he is reciprocating your feelings openly this could blow up in your face.

To POST #4: Ivory0921 disagrees: Its sad? That's IT?? Um, no, that's NOT it. That post had two more paragraphs, the last which was very positive.

Um, post #4 was month ago? My second post #16 also was positive and encouraging... and weeks later you admitted we were all pretty much leading you in the right direction.

Why the sudden irritation with a post a month old? I don't believe my observation was actually wrong, either, your original story WAS sad... true, but sad. Today at least you're in a position to have SO much more in your life now that you're not walking that storyline anymore.

Everyone here wants you to succeed. That's why we interact with people in moments of need. But we talk straight. And usually people can take it.

You can take it, and you're doing better today that you were a month ago. I remind you to keep looking forward, that's where your success lies.

It's MY QUESTION and I can disagree to the answers if I want to. :D

Well, you WERE doing better. What's the new temper tantrum about? Something new happened you haven't shared with us? We're still here if you want to talk.

Oh, and good job for being so truthful. You warned us in your very first sentence what to expect, didn't you. I like people who are know themselves and don't apologize for it. Good for you. (no sarcasm intended, I mean it.)