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I don't even listen to any TV or Radio news unless it is FOX.

Anything else, unless you are a socialist, is a total waste of time.

I don't even listen to any TV or Radio news unless it is FOX.

Anything else, unless you are a socialist, is a total waste of time.

People have a right to know about a presidential candidate to become better informed about the issues and to know who to vote for. The media is not informing us about the important issues we need to be apprised about. Why? And speaking about "socialist", for more on the ramifications of this important matter, please visit the "Politics" section and look at the thread "What is the connection between Obama and the Communist Party?" Has FOX brought this out yet? This should be a Big Wake-Up Call for many in this country!

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Media, television and radio, is about ENTERTAINMENT... and the goal is to get GOOD RATINGS.

Obama is hot, Obama is new; people want to see him and get to know him.

No one is interested in McCain or Bush; all *BAD NEWS*, *no hope* and *ENDLESS WAR*.

Obama speaks of CHANGE... ending Bush's Iraqi War and improving America. :D That's hot!

I personally think that Obama is a puppet. I just don't know whose; Soros, maybe? As for him being the candidate of change, that is what you will have left after he gets all his taxes passed. Just change, no bills!

This thread reminds me of how old conservatives are such idiots. Fox News indeed. LOL!

Perhaps NK can suggest a news outlet that is unbiased. We have a shortage of them here.

How about BBC?

I think Media is good for one thing and one thing only... bringing new info to us. We get to make what we want of it. I am guilty of this at times, but there are people who wish to leave it at that. Meaning they do not investigate any further and take the medias word for it... That is why there are so many people supporting him, they are taking the medias word for it. At least that is how I see it. I am scared to death to vote for him. I want to believe he can "CHANGE" for the better, I just don't buy it that's all. As all of my right winger friends say, when Obama gets voted in, that will be the day to rejoice, we will all have cake and ice cream, the sky will always be blue, and the weather perfect, we will be able to say what we want and all of us will still get along, we will all have enough money and medical benefits with no worries and it will be a dream world! I know that is all sarcastic, and I apologize for that. I agree that he seems interesting and like everyone else I would love to see more of him to see who he really is. But as it stands for my opinion, I agree with Gal, he is sort of like a puppet.

IMO, because he is the AntiChrist

Ohhh and Sky, I would like to see the headline of that first article instead of "since when does the American media get to force feed us our presidents" I would love to see it read... "since when do us Americans LET the American media force feed us our presidents."
I have a huge problem when others are blamed for something we have complete control over. You just don't let them force feed you, you smarten up our people to investigate to build their own opinions.

Start,

The corporations own America, not you or your fellow citizens.

I believe that. Is it too late to stop, can we fight for our Country to have it return, I believe so. As bad as it sounds, there aren't enough Americans willing to suffer any more... whether it be for one thing or another, we all have gotten very comfy with this America... how sad is that? I squirm every day.
NK, I know you are a big Obama fan. I have been reading through (some links I have to skip over because of limited time) But just coming here with many opinions, I still can't seem to see him as safe.

I know you don't. You'd rather more of the same. Enjoy it.

How about BBC?

The only news source I pay attention to!!

The news media don't lie by what they tell you (usually!) The way they lie is by NOT telling you all the facts, by telling only what they want you to think about any given subject.

McCain and Obama have contrasting economic plans - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-mccain11-2008jun11,0,4748643.story)

Notice how they come up with MCCain counterpoints but none with Obama?

How does Obama pay for all the supposed tax relief to the "middle class" while at the same time raising taxes on business? What tax relief do you need when your income is zero, because the company laid you off because of the anti-business policys of Obama?

McCain and Obama have contrasting economic plans - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-mccain11-2008jun11,0,4748643.story)

Notice how they come up with MCCain counterpoints but none with Obama?

How does Obama pay for all the supposed tax relief to the "middle class" while at the same time raising taxes on business?

Why with what the rich $$$$ Republicans $$$$ are going to have to pay with their taxes, don't you know!

What tax relief do you need when your income is zero, because the company laid you off because of the anti-business policys of Obama?

in the box, it's just another thing that makes you go hmmmmm!

Here's something you might find interesting!

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Ohhh and Sky, I would like to see the headline of that first article instead of "since when does the American media get to force feed us our presidents" I would love to see it read...."since when do us Americans LET the American media force feed us our presidents."
I have a huge problem when others are blamed for something we have complete control over. You just dont let them force feed you, you smarten up our people to investigate to build their own opinions.

Start, That's exactly what I, for one, have been doing since the media is not scrutinizing the top candidates as they should. There are some here who have even resorted to cursing, can you believe, when articles on Obama come up but that only makes me strongly believe we are on the right path, otherwise there would not be so much dissent if there was nothing to those articles. And of course, Obama's spinmeisters just hate it when confronted with the articles people need to take a serious look at! And I haven't even yet begun, so, please stay tuned for further mysteries!

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Hello Sky:

I don't know why the media loves him. Maybe because he's better than the old guy. And, of course, your broad is washed up.

Can you say President Obama?

excon

Hello Sky:

I dunno why the media loves him. Maybe because he's better than the old guy. And, of course, your broad is washed up.

Can you say President Obama?

excon

I don't know, excon. It seems that the media's love affair with Obama may be coming to a quick close as they wake up to smell the coffee.

Can you say "Finally Fairness"?

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I dunno, excon. It seems that the media's love affair with Obama may be coming to a quick close as they wake up to smell the coffee.
On the one hand you say he's the media darling then you say the media is leaving him. Which is it?

One of the reasons that the media likes him is that McCain stumbles and chokes on many of his public appearances.

Can you say "Finally Fairness"?

Alright, I won't keep you in suspense any longer.


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A conservative blogger writes that the 'thrill is gone'? Ok. He's allowed his opinions.

McCain stumbles and chokes
I have seen a lot of that from Obama

McCain stumbles and chokes
I have seen a lot of that from Obama

Neither one of these guys is going to be remembered in history for being sharp as a tack.

They both have problems in engaging the vocal chords, prior to engaging that gray matter between their ears.

I have to say, the younger one seems to have more problems than the older one.

57 States?

Yet the people like him. I've learned long ago that this board is absolutely not representative of the general public.

Yet the people like him. I've learned long ago that this board is absolutely not representative of the general public.

I think I am in the "general public', what part of the "public" do you think you are in?

If not the general public, who then?

Sorry I confused you. This site is a bashing site and an Obama bashing site at that. You try to make people think that he is not liked as a candidate, but a much larger percentage of people outside this site believe that he is the candidate of choice.

Here's another site with a different set of comments. I guess they are the same public as you:
Digg - McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_YouTube_Problem_Just_Became_a_Nightmare)

One of the reasons that the media likes him is that McCain stumbles and chokes on many of his public appearances.

Perhaps but they tolerated that all right when he was the go-to maverick Republican for the Washington Compost and the Sunday morning talk shows . Back then he was the voice of reason because of how often he stood in opposition to his own party and the Bush Adm.

The 'maverick' part is gone, now he's towing the neo-con line.

But his position on the foreign policy has been consistent . It is who the press is promoting that has changed. The NY Slimes endorsed him in the NY primaries and since then has not a kind word to say.

Sorry I confused you. This site is a bashing site and an Obama bashing site at that.

Oh puhleeeeeze, NK, there's enough bashing to go around on both sides here and it's much less civil coming from the left (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/obamas-drift-center-driving-his-supporters-crazy-232696-post1127343.html#post1127343), throwing bombs then playing the victim instead of engaging in discussion.


You try to make people think that he is not liked as a candidate, but a much larger percentage of people outside this site believe that he is the candidate of choice

Here's another site with a different set of comments. I guess they are the same public as you:
Digg - McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_YouTube_Problem_Just_Became_a_Nightmare) .

And this proves what, exactly?

Oh puhleeeeeze, NK, there's enough bashing to go around on both sides here and it's much less civil coming from the left (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/obamas-drift-center-driving-his-supporters-crazy-232696-post1127343.html#post1127343), throwing bombs then playing the victim instead of engaging in discussion.
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Sorry I confused you. This site is a bashing site and an Obama bashing site at that. You try to make people think that he is not liked as a candidate, but a much larger percentage of people outside this site believe that he is the candidate of choice.

Here's another site with a different set of comments. I guess they are the same public as you:
Digg - McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_YouTube_Problem_Just_Became_a_Nightmare)

Do you even read the posts before you attack?

[QUOTE=NeedKarma]"You try to make people think that he is not liked as a candidate"[QUOTE]

Didn't my post state that is is easy to see why people "like" him?

It would appear that when all that is done, is to bring to light things he has said and people that he has chosen to be closely associated with, are considered a "smear".

In those instances, he must be "slamming" himself?

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And this proves what?

Speech,
Read the thread. I'm busy today.

NK, since it is you making the claim the burden falls on you to support it... one contributor doesn't make it an Obama bashing site.

NK, since it is you making the claim the burden falls on you to support it ... one contributor doesn't make it an Obama bashing site.

Speech, absolutely the burden falls on her (him?)! But you see, whenever a link is submitted about a story on Obama, if this individual, NK, does not like it and it is not 100% PRO-OBAMA, you will find her saying that it is a bashing site. If you have not yet read the cursing and/or profanity used by this individual whenever I highlight a story about Obama that she does not like, suddenly the most foul language ensues. Stay tuned for it. So, knowing that, you now know at what "intellectual" level she is playing on.

And just watch as I/we post more Obama stories that are not carried by the mainstream newspapers but are presented here from links on the Internet and you will see more attacks on me or others who present them. Go back and see how she absolutely HATES the Obama posts that are not putting him on a pedestal whether they are written by one individual or many. But again, that just goes to prove that we are on the right track and there has got to be something to those stories or there wouldn't be that kind of reaction, and besides, unless this is a restricted forum, *anyone* can post what they like as long as it is civil and does not contain profanity like NK likes to use. I'm surprised the moderator hasn't caught on to that little number of hers or maybe he has?

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It would appear that when all that is done, is to bring to light things he has said and people that he has chosen to be closely associated with, are considered a "smear".

In those instances, he must be "slamming" himself?

Of course he "slams" himself! But his cronies and spinmeisters are ever so quick to run, even if they're using the bathroom at the moment, to clearly pronounce that it must have been an Obama clone... certainly not Obama slamming himself as the poor innocent would be so very incapable of ever doing that. A proud record? I think not. And speaking of people he has chosen to associate with, take a good look at this site on the Internet.

The Associates of Barack Obama (http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/)

John McCain has electile dysfunction and no quantity of these mundane posts are going to help his limp candidacy. The few of you that continuously hate on Obama have only Dubya to thank. Bush all but guaranteed a Democratic presidency.

John McCain has electile dysfunction and no quantity of these mundane posts are going to help his limp candidacy. The few of you that continuously hate on Obama have only Dubya to thank. Bush all but guaranteed a Democratic presidency.
Those of you leaning left, seem to use the word hate an awful lot?

I have never posted anything here, that comes even close to hate.

Disagreement with policies, and the socialist belief system, is all it takes to get called a hater by you folks.

The personal attacks, the vulgar language, the way you try to belittle anyone who posts anything against your beliefs is outrageous.

I don't hate Obama, hell, he's a damn likable guy, but tell me this:

Has he ever been an "employee" anywhere?

Has he ever been an assistant manager, or manager of any business?

Has he ever had to make quick decisions, under a huge amount of stress?

The kind of decisions that could mean life or death for those under his protection?

Has he really ever accomplished anything, other than being a community organizer?

What are the job duties of a community organizer anyway?

Has he ever hired or fired an employee? (You can't count his pastor)

Has he ever had to sit down with an employee, and discuss the fact that customers are
Complaining about that employee's body odor?

I'm sorry, I just don't see ANYTHING in his life history that could even come close to
Preparing him to be the President of my Great Nation.

But I don't hate him.

John McCain has electile dysfunction and no quantity of these mundane posts are going to help his limp candidacy.

Hey Bobby, you're absolutely right on that... but only because the Obamessiah can do no wrong. The guy absolutely blows it every time he strays from his teleprompter, he can't keep the same position on an issue from one day to the next, doesn't know how many states are in the Republic, can't spot racism at his church for twenty years and he gets a free pass. McCain can't get by with being an honorable veteran and former POW without taking flak these days.

Has he ever been an "employee" anywhere?

Has he ever been an assistant manager, or manager of any business?

Has he ever had to make quick decisions, under a huge amount of stress?

The kind of decisions that could mean life or death for those under his protection?

Has he really ever accomplished anything, other than being a community organizer?

What are the job duties of a community organizer anyway?

Has he ever hired or fired an employee? (You can't count his pastor)

Has he ever had to sit down with an employee, and discuss the fact that customers are
complaining about that employee's body odor?

I'm sorry, I just don't see ANYTHING in his life history that could even come close to
preparing him to be the President of my Great Nation.


Wow! That was a special education moment. To run your "Great Nation" you have to field complaints on "body odor?!"


Barack Obama's Résumé (http://obamasresume.org/)

"Education
Undergraduate
Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA
Undergraduate, 1981-1983

Columbia University
B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations
Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament

Graduate
Harvard Law School
J.D. magna laude 1988-1991

President, Harvard Law Review

Organizing
1983-1988 Director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's South Side.
1992 Led Chicago's Project Vote! push. This effort resulted in a record number of voter registrations, over 600,000 in Chicago.

Teaching
1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer, in Constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

Law Practice
1993-2002 Worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

Illinois Senate 1996-2004
chairman, Health and Human Services Committee

United States Senate 2004-present
Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs
Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Bills / Amendments Passed
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
Senate Resolutions Passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as “National Summer Learning Day”.
Other Bills Introduced
S.J.RES.23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.
S. 453: Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007. The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R.1281), (S.453), would establish criminal penalties for acts of voter deception. Those who knowingly disseminate false information with the intention of keeping others from voting would face up to five years in prison under the legislation. The Act was sponsored by Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) and 60 cosponsors in the House, and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and 15 cosponsors in the Senate. (20 Cosponsors)
S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists. (1 Cosponsor)
S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act. A bill to amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to allow State educational agencies, local educational agencies, and schools to increase implementation of early intervention services, particularly school-wide positive behavior supports. (3 Cosponsors)
S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007. A bill to establish nutrition and physical education standards for schools.
S. Con. Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month
S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007. A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes. (6 Cosponsors)
S. 2519: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007. A bill to prohibit the awarding of a contract or grant in excess of the simplified acquisition threshold unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee has no seriously delinquent tax debts, and for other purposes.
S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007. A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. (9 Cosponsors)
S. 2330: Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act. A bill to authorize a pilot program within the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development with the goal of preventing at-risk veterans and veteran families from falling into homelessness, and for other purposes. (1 Cosponsor)"

Hey Bobby, you're absolutely right on that ... but only because the Obamessiah can do no wrong. The guy absolutely blows it every time he strays from his teleprompter, he can't keep the same position on an issue from one day to the next, doesn't know how many states are in the Republic, can't spot racism at his church for twenty years and he gets a free pass. McCain can't get by with being an honorable veteran and former POW without taking flak these days.


You have some valid points, but I have to disagree in part. Most Obama supporters know that he comes with his share of imperfections, however with Dubya's baggage riding McCain's coat tails, Obama's has the advantage. Add to that McCain's inability to read simplified speeches from a teleprompter written two days in advance, his grimacing smile, state of confusion stare, and that sought after endorsement of a bigot TV evangelist, he's just not the best Republican candidate possible and never was. BTW I didn't agree when Kerry's opposition went after his military credentials either. I didn't think it was right then and I don't think so now concerning McCain. Damn shame Audi Murphy isn't alive.

John McCain has electile dysfunction .


Now that is sadly funny :confused: :D

Did Obama steal his "viagra?" ;)

Now that is sadly funny :confused: :D

Unfortunately sometimes using humor is the only way clowns will learn.


Did Obama steal his "viagra?" ;)

Nah. After the shape G. Dubya has left the nation in, nobody can afford Viagra. It's now a pop-sickle stick and a roll of duct tape. :)

Or some of Obama's baloney .

I have a rule of thumb which has served me well for many years. I find out who most of the "main stream" media is supporting, and then I vote for his opponent.

You voted against Ronald Reagan?

I just had to show our front page from yesterday. While Obama takes on the Taliban, McCain needs help surfing the internet. No bias there, lol.

What ? Obama wants us to be bogged down in Afghanistan for 100 years ?

I'd like to ask Generalisimo BAMA how he plans to reliably keep his expeditionary force in this land locked mountainous region supplied ? The route goes right through the heart of Pakistan ;a nation he said he would invade.

As opposed to Iraq. At least Obama has the origins and geographic locations for OBL and culprits correct, Dubya didn't.

Pakistan, a nuclear power, already has stated that they do not want any foreign armys.
At least Bush is smart enough and respectful enough to realize this.

Besides, Pakistan does not have oil ;)

At least Bush is smart enough and respectful enough to realize this.Hello in:

Smart?? Respectful?? Boy. You've been listening to the OTHER president. The one we've got, the dufus in chief, said that if you harbor terrorists we're coming after you. Isn't that why we attacked Afghanistan?? Because they were harboring Al Quaida?? Yup. That was the reason, all right...

So, they just moved into Pakistan where they've been for years. How come the terrorists, THE ONES WHO ATTACKED US, are safe in Pakistan?? Because Bush is smart?? Because Bush is respectful?? Are you kiddin me?? NO! It's because he's a dufus, and a liar who's adventures made us LESS safe at home.

excon

Pakistan Special Weapons - A Chronology (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/chron.htm)

1983

1983--Declassified US government assessment concludes that `There is unambiguous evidence that Pakistan is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons development program * * * We believe the ultimate application of the enriched uranium produced at Kahuta, which is unsafeguarded, is clearly nuclear weapons.'

1984

1984--President Zia states that Pakistan has acquired a `very modest' uranium enrichment capability for `nothing but peaceful purposes.'

1984--President Reagan reportedly warns Pakistan of `grave consequences' if it enriches uranium above 5%.

1985

1985--ABC News reports that US believes Pakistan has `successfully tested' a `firing mechanism' of an atomic bomb by means of a non-nuclear explosion, and that US krytrons `have been acquired' by Pakistan.

1985--U.S. Nuclear Export Control Violation: Texas, krytrons (nuclear weapon triggers).

1985--U.S. Nuclear Export Control Violation: US cancelled license for export of flash x-ray camera to Pakistan (nuclear weapon diagnostic uses) because of proliferation concerns.

1985/6--Media cites production of highly enriched, bomb-grade uranium in violation of a commitment to the US.

1985 -- Pressler Amendment [section 620E(e) of the Foreign Assistance Act] requires a total cut-off of U.S. aid to Islamabad unless the president can certify that Pakistan does not possess a nuclear weapon, and that continued US aid will significantly decrease the probability of its developing one in the future.

1986

1986--Bob Woodward article in Washington Post cites alleged DIA report saying Pakistan `detonated a high explosive test device between Sept. 18 and Sept. 21 as part of its continuing efforts to build an implosion-type nuclear weapon;' says Pakistan has produced uranium enriched to a 93.5% level.

1986--Press reports cite U.S. `Special National Intelligence Estimate' concluding that Pakistan had produced weapons-grade material.

1986--Commenting on Pakistan's nuclear capability, General Zia tells interviewer, `It is our right to obtain the technology. And when we acquire this technology, the Islamic world will possess it with us.'

1986--Declassified memo to then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger states, `Despite strong U.S. concern, Pakistan continues to pursue a nuclear explosive capability * * * If operated at its nominal capacity, the Kahuta uranium enrichment plant could produce enough weapons-grade material to build several nuclear devices per year.'





If the Republican administrations are so brazenly smart then why did Pakistan already have it and yet now the crux of the nuclear issue is over Iran?? Maybe Dubya should let them have it also? And since when did oil become the reason that OBL's terrorist act on 9/11 happened?? That's a new one. So OBL's in a cave recording videos saying to the United States give me your oil? LOL! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/frontpage/seattle_pima1x220041030.pdf

BTW "oil" was John McCain's explanation as to why we went to war in Iraq. McCain accidentally says what he believes about the war in Iraq - The Carpetbagger Report (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15419.html)

Oil or or "very real strategic national interests" as Hillary would call it. Otherwise, one more reminder of the reasons we went to Iraq...


Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and
Illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition
Of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the
National security of the United States and enforce United Nations
Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a
United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq
Unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear,
Biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver
And develop them, and to end its support for international
Terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States
Intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that
Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale
Biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear
Weapons development program that was much closer to producing a
Nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire,
Attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify
And destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and
Development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal
Of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that
Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened
vital United States interests and international peace and security,
Declared Iraq to be in ``material and unacceptable breach of its
International obligations'' and urged the President ``to take
Appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant
Laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its
International obligations'';

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of
The United States and international peace and security in the
Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach
Of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing
To possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons
Capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and
Supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations
Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its
Civilian population thereby threatening international peace

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And security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or
Account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq,
Including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property
Wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and
Willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations
And its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing
Hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States,
Including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush
And by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and
Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the
United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for
Attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including
The attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in
Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist
Organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and
Safety of United States citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001,
Underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of
Weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist
Organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of
Mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either
Employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United
States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international
Terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that
Would result to the United States and its citizens from such an
Attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend
Itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes
The use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security
Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions
And to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten
International peace and security, including the development of
Weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United
Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security
Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population
In violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688
(1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations
In Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution
949 (1994);

Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq
Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President
``to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations
Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve
Implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664,
665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'';

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it
``supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of
United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent
With the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against

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Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),'' that Iraq's repression of its
Civilian population violates United Nations Security Council
Resolution 688 and ``constitutes a continuing threat to the peace,
Security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,'' and that
Congress, ``supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the
Goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688'';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
The sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
Regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
Replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
Our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
Resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
Resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
Security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on
Terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist
Groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction
In direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and
Other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it
Is in the national security interests of the United States and in
Furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations
Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use
Of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on
Terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested
By the President to take the necessary actions against international
Terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,
Organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or
Aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or
Harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take
All appropriate actions against international terrorists and
Terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or
Persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist
Attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such
Persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take
Action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism
Against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint
Resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law
107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to
Restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region

Personally I think Dubya just needed any excuse after being blindsided by OBL so he took his frustration out on Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

Why is the Media pushing for Obama so hard?
May be because after too many years of Republican maladministration and "stealing" the presidency, it is really time for a new Democratic fresh wind in the White House, perhaps ?

:rolleyes:

Voting for "change" for the sake of "change" is downright (I'll say it pc) naïve!

Didn't work out so well when Dubya got re-elected. And your point is... to vote for McSame?? No thank you.

My knee jerk? The media is a bunch of A-holes.
Obama is a possible Biblical prophesy.
The US government is busy giving our money to those who have not earned it.

Where do we fit in? Who cares.

Pakistan Special Weapons - A Chronology (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/chron.htm)

1983

1983--Declassified US government assessment concludes that `There is unambiguous evidence that Pakistan is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons development program * * * We believe the ultimate application of the enriched uranium produced at Kahuta, which is unsafeguarded, is clearly nuclear weapons.'

1984

1984--President Zia states that Pakistan has acquired a `very modest' uranium enrichment capability for `nothing but peaceful purposes.'

1984--President Reagan reportedly warns Pakistan of `grave consequences' if it enriches uranium above 5%.

1985

1985--ABC News reports that US believes Pakistan has `successfully tested' a `firing mechanism' of an atomic bomb by means of a non-nuclear explosion, and that US krytrons `have been acquired' by Pakistan.

1985--U.S. Nuclear Export Control Violation: Texas, krytrons (nuclear weapon triggers).

1985--U.S. Nuclear Export Control Violation: US cancelled license for export of flash x-ray camera to Pakistan (nuclear weapon diagnostic uses) because of proliferation concerns.

1985/6--Media cites production of highly enriched, bomb-grade uranium in violation of a commitment to the US.

1985 -- Pressler Amendment [section 620E(e) of the Foreign Assistance Act] requires a total cut-off of U.S. aid to Islamabad unless the president can certify that Pakistan does not possess a nuclear weapon, and that continued US aid will significantly decrease the probability of its developing one in the future.

1986

1986--Bob Woodward article in Washington Post cites alleged DIA report saying Pakistan `detonated a high explosive test device between Sept. 18 and Sept. 21 as part of its continuing efforts to build an implosion-type nuclear weapon;' says Pakistan has produced uranium enriched to a 93.5% level.

1986--Press reports cite U.S. `Special National Intelligence Estimate' concluding that Pakistan had produced weapons-grade material.

1986--Commenting on Pakistan's nuclear capability, General Zia tells interviewer, `It is our right to obtain the technology. And when we acquire this technology, the Islamic world will possess it with us.'

1986--Declassified memo to then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger states, `Despite strong U.S. concern, Pakistan continues to pursue a nuclear explosive capability * * * If operated at its nominal capacity, the Kahuta uranium enrichment plant could produce enough weapons-grade material to build several nuclear devices per year.'





If the Republican administrations are so brazenly smart then why did Pakistan already have it and yet now the crux of the nuclear issue is over Iran??? Maybe Dubya should let them have it also?! And since when did oil become the reason that OBL's terrorist act on 9/11 happened??? That's a new one. So OBL's in a cave recording videos saying to the United States give me your oil?! LOL! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/frontpage/seattle_pima1x220041030.pdf

BTW "oil" was John McCain's explanation as to why we went to war in Iraq. McCain accidentally says what he believes about the war in Iraq - The Carpetbagger Report (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15419.html)


My point exactly, you have to really think hard and long before you go to war with a nation with nuclear capacity.

Fortunantly, Sadamm did not have nuclear capability. How much more of a world tyrant would he have been, had he had nuclear capability?

With Pakistan having nuclear capability before 9/11/01 how smart would it have been to attack them? For what benefit?

The USA going to Pakistan for OBL is war, another war with much graver consequences.
We have no choice but to work with their government. That is the smart thing. ;)

Hmm... I don't think that argument sits well for those in the WMD click concerning Iraq. But I do think most would agree that Afghanistan should had expedient attention and focus in pursuit of OBL originally.

Voting for "change" for the sake of "change" is downright (I'll say it pc) naive!

Have you maybe just perhaps thought that people might be voting for him because they want change? Maybe?? Is that too hard to understand? It may seem inconceivable to a Bush man but if you really really try hard enough, or perhaps even pray to be able to comprehend it, then you might be able to see why some people want change.

The MSM have turned into political whores; they just want to adulate a left-wing candidate about feelings and charisma. They want someone (the president) to put them to bed, tuck them in, and say, "Everything is going to be alright". They would like a prince and princess, such as Princess Diana, to care for them (much like New Yorkers with Hillary). They believe Obama is the one, but Obama is changing into Bush-Light, so he can tempt enough voters to put him over the top. And this is so funny because the whackos are finding out there is no tooth fairy, after all.

Speaking of wackos... why is there a sketched cartoon of Hitler under your user name?? You think Jews are amused looking at the drek??