If there is one bad common thing that history has shown, it has to be the co-operation between - and supplementing of - religion and government, a joint operation to keep "the people" quiet and obedient to those in power.
Even in the nation that was based on a strict separation between state and church the theists have - by years of twisting and turning - managed to get their foot between the door and the post once again.

No wonder : how wonderful it must be for a King or President to be able in times of stress and danger to call on some claimed-to-exist deity for assistance. Or to thank (or ask from) that deity for something the government is actually responsible for itself , and even in some cases failed to do.

"God bless this country" or "God bless America" : what a terrible meaning that sentence actually has...
They never say : "God bless humanity" or "God bless us all on earth". Reagan was the last President I heard saying "God bless us all". We know that what is called the "Western World" is the richest part of humanity. It consists of less than 1/6 of all of humanity at most. Still the "leaders" ask "God" to bless only them. How selfish.

1/2 of humanity suffers from malnutrition, 1/5 of humanity slowly dies from starvation, but the wealthiest nation on earth asks for supra-natural blessings and so for more and more and more.

Governments have always misused religion to further their own interests. Logically : it trains people to resign to inequality and lack of control. And who wants to serve in an army and die for the country it defends, unless you are brainwashed into believing on an hereafter plus plus plus as reward? It are NOT just the Muslim fundamentalist terrorists who think they are awarded for their "dying in combat". An army of chaplains is just as busy with your own soldiers leading them into the same mindset.

Nothing easier for a Government to defend itself with "it is "God's will" or "it's a natural disaster but "God" will take good care of all those who perished".

Karl Marx was right, when the stated : Religion is the opium of the people!
And governments will do anything to keep it that way.

Any comments?

:rolleyes:

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Summed up pretty much why I do not like religion and government.

Summed up pretty much why I do not like religion and government.
Uhhhh :... Hoooo Hoooo Hoooo ( that sounds like Santa Claus) !

Since when do we agree on something ?

:D :D :D :D :D

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I do believe this is about the third time we have agreed on something.

I do believe this is about the third time we have agreed on something.
Really ? What is this world coming too... This has to stop...

:D :D :D :D :D

One complaint that America's founding fathers had with the British colonial system was the fact that the King, united with the Church, were a powerful tyrannical force against the will of the people.

Some American colonials wanted freedom of religion and freedom*from* religion.
Some American colonials wanted a Republic, a democracy of sorts, a country of their own.
Some American colonials didn't want their wealth sent to England.
And, so on.

Those who steep themselves in religion are seeking a domineering authoritarian figure who has all the answers, no matter if it is an imaginary figure called God! They will put themselves in mental chains all too willingly to avoid responsibility of thinking; they want to follow. They also value the idea of a strong dictatorial government head to tell them what to do. Hence, the attack on the American Congress and Supreme Court in favor of a dictatorial Presidency in America. Sickening!

(I was reading a little Nietzsche this morning, so I'm all fired up!)

Marx was correct:::Religion not only puts people to sleep, it makes them value passivity and compliance to authority over developing rationality, courage and action.

I was reading a little Nietzsche this morning, so I'm all fired up! Marx was correct:::Religion not only puts people to sleep, it makes them value passivity and compliance to authority over developing rationality, courage and action.
What about stating "God bless this country" or "God bless America", and never "God bless humanity" or "God bless us all on earth"? What a selfishness... For such a wealthy nation... As if Billions of poor and hungry people do not exist or not need part of that blessing... Where happened suddenly to that Christian love?

:confused:

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One complaint that America's founding fathers had with the British colonial system was the fact that the King, united with the Church, were a powerful tyrannical force against the will of the people.

Some American colonials wanted freedom of religion and freedom*from* religion.
Some American colonials wanted a Republic, a democracy of sorts, a country of their own.
Some American colonials didn't want their wealth sent to England.
And, so on.

Those who steep themselves in religion are seeking a domineering authoritarian figure who has all the answers, no matter if it is an imaginary figure called God! They will put themselves in mental chains all too willingly to avoid responsibility of thinking; they want to follow. They also value the idea of a strong dictatorial government head to tell them what to do. Hence, the attack on the American Congress and Supreme Court in favor of a dictatorial Presidency in America. Sickening!

(I was reading a little Nietzsche this morning, so I'm all fired up!)

Marx was correct:::Religion not only puts people to sleep, it makes them value passivity and compliance to authority over developing rationality, courage and action.

Interesting! I note that all of the Communist governments in recent history have also been Atheistic. That's too often for co-incidence. Your Communist leanings are noted.

Interesting! I note that all of the Communist governments in recent history have also been Atheistic. That's too often for co-incidence. Your Communist leanings are noted.


To back that up read
Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://youtube.com/results?q=liberal+fascism&search_type=)

I want to add something else. Scripture requires that the Church be A-policical. Individual Christians are commanded to obey the laws of the land where they reside. Hence, in a free society, Christians are free to be involved in the political process, but not free to be rebels. Those societies falsely called churches in history that became either powers behind the throne or pawns of the throne were church in name only.
Christians of today view the efforts to eliminate all mention of God from our society as an ongoing effort to bring in an Atheistic government which is just as antagonistic to the Constitution as would be a Catholic or Baptist government.

What about stating "God bless this country" or "God bless America", and never "God bless humanity" or "God bless us all on earth"? What a selfishness ... For such a wealthy nation ... As if Billions of poor and hungry people do not exist or not need part of that blessing ... Where happened suddenly to that Christian love?

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This is funny! You don't believe in God, so why should you be offended? :p

If a fsm believer says "fsm bless Canada," it sure as heck does not offend me.


As a Christian, I believe all blessings come from God the creator. God has blessed this country [USA] and it is a request to continue.

Notice that "God bless America" is not followed by "and forget the rest of the world", or "damn the poor, " you came to that conclusion all on your own. :eek:

Yeah we are not to get offended by what others do so called religious art that mocks Jesus and Mary is okay --God Bless is an offense.

This is funny! You don't believe in God, so why should you be offended?!
It has nothing to do with what I believe or not believe. I criticize the thinking behind focusing only on the US itself : it shows so much disrespect for - and lack of interest in - the billions of needy elsewhere on this planet.
God as such has nothing to do with it. Of course not. A deity that is unable to show it's own existence... who needs it's (non-existing) assistance ?

:rolleyes:

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And believe or not, Christians pray for non-believer's. They also go on missions here and in other countries to help and serve the poor and bring the Gospel.


Katrina Relief - Christian Appalachian Project (http://www.chrisapp.org/CC_Content_Page/0,,PTID5560%7CCHID760254%7CCIID,00.html)


The Salvation Army: What We Believe (http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf/vw-text-dynamic-arrays/CE33D354A0544F368025732500314AF5?openDocument)


Ever hear of the ymC[HRISTIAN]a?




American Generosity is Underappreciated (http://www.heritage.org/research/tradeandforeignaid/wm630.cfm)


Actual dollar contributions reveal that the U.S. is the world’s largest donor.








Matthew 25


34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'.....


45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

and believe or not, Christians pray for non-believer's. They also go on missions here and in other countries to help and serve the poor and bring the Gospel.
To non-believers it is totally irrelevant if you pray for them. To them you are just wasting your time and energy.

Katrina was a local US disaster. A disaster that on world standards was a small local problem involving (relatively) rich people, which was mainly caused by prolonged poor maintenance of the levies.
What about the millions of people who have no roof above their heads permanently ? What about the millions of children that die each month of starvation? See that in relation to the increasing number of over-fed and over-fat children the US is breeding!

A few Christians try to spread the word. Literally. But "spreading the word" should be 95% action, and 5% word!
Where is the 95% action? And why are so few gringo's involved ?
Because the US culture is one of mainly focusing on the own interests of getting richer...
All your great religious leader had as earthly possessions were the clothes he was wearing!

If you want to spread the (true) gospel than you should start spreading your wealth first !

:rolleyes:

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I better repeat the topic question :

Religion, Governments, and control over the people

If there is one bad common thing that history has shown, it has to be the co-operation between - and supplementing of - religion and government, a joint operation to keep "the people" quiet and obedient to those in power.
Even in the nation that was based on a strict separation between state and church the theists have - by years of twisting and turning - managed to get their foot between the door and the post once again.

No wonder : how wonderful it must be for a King or President to be able in times of stress and danger to call on some claimed-to-exist deity for assistance. Or to thank (or ask from) that deity for something the government is actually responsible for itself , and even in some cases failed to do.

"God bless this country" or "God bless America" : what a terrible meaning that sentence actually has ...
They never say : "God bless humanity" or "God bless us all on earth". Reagan was the last President I heard saying "God bless us all". We know that what is called the "Western World" is the richest part of humanity. It consists of less than 1/6 of all of humanity at most. Still the "leaders" ask "God" to bless only them. How selfish.

1/2 of humanity suffers from malnutrition, 1/5 of humanity slowly dies from starvation, but the wealthiest nation on earth asks for supra-natural blessings and so for more and more and more.

Governments have always misused religion to further their own interests. Logically : it trains people to resign to inequality and lack of control. And who wants to serve in an army and die for the country it defends, unless you are brainwashed into believing on an hereafter plus plus plus as reward? It are NOT just the Muslim fundamentalist terrorists who think they are awarded for their "dying in combat". An army of chaplains is just as busy with your own soldiers leading them into the same mindset.

Nothing easier for a Government to defend itself with "it is "God's will" or "it's a natural disaster but "God" will take good care of all those who perished".

Karl Marx was right, when the stated : Religion is the opium of the people!
And governments will do anything to keep it that way.

Any comments on that link between religion and the `powers that be´?

:)

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To non-believers it is totally irrelevant if you pray for them. To them you are just wasting your time and energy.

:rolleyes:

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To non believers it is totally irrelevant if you pray for them, BUT IF you say God Bless USA (me) that is offensive because you are not including us all, humanity, (you-the non-believer that finds prayer totally irrelevant) that is offensive because it shows how selfish America is because they do not say God Bless all (which includes non believers that find prayer totally irrelevant).

It doesn't matter (totally irrelevant) that you pray for the disaster victims of other countries, it doesn't matter that you pray for the starving children in Bangladesh or where ever, just send money?

Of the $122.8 billion of foreign aid provided by Americans in 2005 (the most current data available), $95.5 billion, or 79 percent, came from private foundations, corporations, voluntary organizations, universities, religious organizations and individuals, says the annual Index of Global Philanthropy. United States Is Largest Donor of Foreign Aid, Report Says (http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/May/20070524165115zjsredna0.2997553.html)

Often too, America sends billions of dollars for foreign aid and before it makes it to the intended need it is wasted.
20/20, or one of those type shows, had a thing on how America sends money and they showed how this dictator in Africa takes the money and buys up Rolls Royces and built a large gold fountain in his foyer and left his people starving.
Then America is left looking like the bad guy.
I do agree that America does waste too much food by over stocking grocery shelves and then throwing it away.
Not saying that America is all that but it isn't as bad as people try to paint it as being.

To non believers it is totally irrelevant if you pray for them, BUT IF you say God Bless USA (me) that is offensive because you are not including us all, humanity, (you-the non-believer that finds prayer totally irrelevant) that is offensive because it shows how selfish America is because they do not say God Bless all (which includes non believers that find prayer totally irrelevant).
There are 300+Million US citizens. 250 Million are more or less Christian.
In the rest of the world there are 1750 Million Christians.
Many of them are dying from hunger or are very poor.

It is them who you insult. Not a non-believer like me. I just observe that you insult them...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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To non-believers it is totally irrelevant if you pray for them. To them you are just wasting your time and energy.

A Christian's time and energy is for God's glory. Salvation is available to all who choose to believe. :)




Katrina was a local US disaster. A disaster that on world standards was a SMALL local problem involving (relatively) rich people, which was mainly caused by prolonged poor maintenance of the levies.

You go on and on about the rest of the world, yet have no compassion for what happened in New Orleans? :(





What about the millions of people who have no roof above their heads permanently ? What about the millions of children that die each month of starvation? See that in relation to the increasing number of over-fed and over-fat children the US is breeding!

A few Christians try to spread the word. Literally. But "spreading the word" should be 95% action, and 5% word!
Where is the 95% action? And why are so few gringo's involved ?

Now, you come on religious threads and disparage God and faith, yet think you know how Christians should act? How sanctimonius of you.
Have you looked at the links? Try googling Christian charities and contribute.





Because the US culture is one of mainly focusing on the own interests of getting richer ...
All your great religious leader had as earthly possessions were the clothes he was wearing!

If you want to spread the (true) gospel than you should start spreading your wealth first !

:rolleyes:

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US culture and Christianity are 2 different things as all you "separation of Church and state " like it.

As a non-believer how can you know what the Gospel is? John 3:16 - look it up.

God did not send His only Son to die and resurrect just to get us to "spread the wealth."
It is for the forgiveness of sins, for salvation. :D


"Spread the wealth" that is a political party line [ Democrat, Communist, Socialist etc.. ] as a guise for higher taxes and more power for the politicians.

Any charlatan can tell you to "spread the wealth" while not doing it himself. :cool:

A Christian's time and energy is for God's glory. Salvation is available to all who choose to believe. :)



You go on and on about the rest of the world, yet have no compassion for what happened in New Orleans? :(




Now, you come on religious threads and disparage God and faith, yet think you know how Christians should act?! How sanctimonius of you.
Have you looked at the links? Try googling Christian charities and contribute.




US culture and Christianity are 2 different things as all you "separation of Church and state " like it.

As a non-believer how can you know what the Gospel is? John 3:16 - look it up.

God did not send His only Son to die and resurrect just to get us to "spread the wealth."
It is for the forgiveness of sins, for salvation. :D


"Spread the wealth" that is a political party line [ Democrat, Communist, Socialist etc..] as a guise for higher taxes and more power for the politicians.

Any charlatan can tell you to "spread the wealth" while not doing it himself. :cool:


AMEN EXACTLY!

Salvation is available to all who choose to believe.
Naaaah : that is what you believe!!


You go on and on about the rest of the world, yet have no compassion for what happened in New Orleans?
I never stated or indicated that I do not have that. But reality tells me that what happened in New Orleans - however bad it may seem to you - is a relative light disaster if related to flooding in Southern India or Bangladesh, where many hundreds of thousands of extremely poor people with hardly any possessions loose all they have - including their loved ones. Do you never read the news, informing you of tens or even hundreds of thousands perishing there in flooding disasters ? In an area where the Government has hardly any funds for helping disaster victims.

That in contrast to a rich USA with relative rich people and ample support funding.

It is not I who has no compassion for what happened in New Orleans. It seems more that it is you and your fellow gringo's who have no compassion for what happens in the rest of the world !!!

(And that is precisely what I pointed at in the first place... )

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Do you never read the news, informing you of tens or even hundreds of thousands perishing there in flooding disasters ? In an area where the Government has hardly any funds for helping disaster victims.

That in contrast to a rich USA with relative rich people and ample support funding.

It is not I who has no compassion for what happened in New Orleans. It seems more that it is you and your fellow gringo's who have no compassion for what happens in the rest of the world !!!

(And that is precisely what I pointed at in the first place ...)

:rolleyes:

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No, I do not "never read the news." :D


Did you read these links? I'll repost them so you can comprehend them.

United States Is Largest Donor of Foreign Aid, Report Says (http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/May/20070524165115zjsredna0.2997553.html)

American Generosity is Underappreciated (http://www.heritage.org/research/tradeandforeignaid/wm630.cfm)


Despite Economic Dip, Giving Rose in 2007 - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/22/AR2008062201864.html?nav=rss_email/components)



Secondly, as a SOVREIGN nation, should the taxpayor's dollars help its own citizens and immediate neighbors first before sending money abroad? Or do you consider US taxpayors' money the world's?

Again charity is given freely, in the US not by tax coercion, but by private giving - see the heritage link.

Secondly, as a SOVREIGN nation, should the taxpayor's dollars help its own citizens and immediate neighbors first before sending money abroad? Or do you consider US taxpayors' money the world's?
Again charity is given freely, in the US not by tax coercion, but by private giving - see the heritage link.
Again you clearly show that you do not (want to) "get" what I was stated. I did not mention any actual amounts or actions in foreign aid.

It was you who suggested that I have no compassion for what happened in New Orleans.
I clearly explained instead why it is much more you and your fellow gringo's who have no compassion for what happens in the rest of the world!!

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :rolleyes: :D

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I see you have not seen the "proof" - or just don't comprehend what the links state.

BTW Americans are more than just "gringos"

And you have not answered my question

do you consider US taxpayors' money the world's?

Because you are getting awfully self righteous about what I do with the money I earn. ;)

And you have not answered my question
Once again : it was you who suggested that I have no compassion for what happened in New Orleans.
I clearly explained instead why it is much more you and your fellow gringo's who have no compassion for what happens in the rest of the world!! Don't try to change the subject when you realize that you are totally wrong...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :rolleyes: :D

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"Gringo"... so cred... are you a racist against American citizens?

"Gringo"...so cred...are you a racist against American citizens?
No bushg ! I lived in Middle America for several years and every US American there is called a gringo, without any racial connotations. It refers to everyone living north of the Rio Grande.

Ergo your suggestion is completely based on your own incorrect conclusion.

Seems to me more a case of your own utter frustration and huge inferiority/superiority complex...

:D :D :D :D :D

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No bushg ! I lived in Middle America for several years and every US American there is called a gringo, without any racial connotations. It refers to everyone living north of the Rio Grande.

Ergo your suggestion is completely based on your own incorrect conclusion.


I have never heard anybody called gringo except for on TV seems to me a case of your own stereo typing of America which I have seen you do time and time again. (Too many American western movies for you Cred?? :D)
I lived in Texas for 5 years too and never heard anybody called a gringo.
So saying every US American there is called a gringo is a big generalization from you Credo.

Gringo can be taken as derogatory just as the N word can be taken as derogatory or not depending on who is saying it mostly and/or the context.

At one time Hunkie, wetback, gringo and other words were not taken as derogatory for the most part but the past 10 years or so any questionable terms have become considered hate speech by many.

Gringo - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Gringo)


No, once again just calling like I "read" it... of course you like to put your spin on everything and make huge assumptions about everyone else's frame of mind.:confused:

You know it is used in a negative fashion.:( If you were talking to one of us uninformed Americans face to face you would not dare to use that term. But then again you may... you do not seem to go by the rules as most everyone else. ;)

Maybe some of the christans will start a prayer circle for you, it could help rid you of all those obvious monkeys on your back. :eek:

Cred try to have a peacful day. :)

ERGO:
Bushg GREENIE :D!!



Gringo - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Gringo)


No, once again just calling like I "read" it...of course you like to put your spin on everything and make huge assumptions about everyone elses frame of mind.:confused:

:)


Chalk it up to 'lost in translation' cause Credo's spin is never the problem.

inthebox , N0help4u , bushg : I provided the definition used by Spanish speaking Latin-Americans south of the Rio Grande, who use the term GRINGO for every person north of the Rio Grande.

I have little problem neither with the definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary :
Gringo - a foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin; broadly : a non-Hispanic person.

The entire issue here was the 04:42 AM post of today by bushg who stated :
"Gringo"...so cred...are you a racist against American citizens?


Now tell me please : WHERE IS THAT "RACIST" PART IN EITHER DESCRIPTIONS ???

All you three are doing is spewing your paranoia based intolerant aggression venom!

What a clowns you three are...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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I tolerate you with glee... that is why I read some of your post:D
Have a peaceful day:)

It CAN be meant as disparaging/derogatory therefore it has become a 'politically incorrect' word to use in the USA

Gringo
One entry found.

Gringo


Main Entry:
Grin·go Listen to the pronunciation of gringo
Pronunciation:
\ˈgriŋ-(ˌ)gō\
Function:
Noun
Inflected Form(s):
Plural gringos
Etymology:
Spanish, alteration of griego Greek, stranger, from Latin Graecus Greek
Date:
1849

often disparaging : a foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin; broadly : a non-Hispanic person


Dis·par·age (d-sprj)
Tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.

De·rog·a·to·ry (d-rg-tôr, -tr)
adj.
1. Disparaging; belittling: a derogatory comment.
2. Tending to detract or diminish.

I tolerate you with glee...that is why I read some of your post:D
Have a peaceful day:)
Noted... You too !

:D

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Gringo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo)





Gringo (feminine, gringa) is a term in the Spanish and Portuguese languages used in some countries of Latin America to refer to white foreigners from different cultures, particularly English-speakers, and especially from the United States, although it can also refer to people from Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries, including in some cases other countries of Latin America itself.[1][2][3]



I have lived in multiple places east of the Mississippi River never been called a gringo by a person of Hispanic origin... could be because I'm not Caucasian. I wonder if blacks get called gringo? :cool:

... could be because I'm not Caucasian. I wonder if blacks get called gringo?
You wonder... Aaaaaahhhhh : so the original accusing suggestive question by Bushg to me in #25

"Gringo"... so cred... are you a racist against American citizens? and all that followed that false accusation from your side was not based on what I stated (and properly explained later) but on your own racial frustrations.

Thank you for pointing that out !!!

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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Cred
Wow, you sure do twist peoples words... you are a master...
It was not I that said a word (gringo) that could be taken out of racial context but you.

I merely asked if you were racist a YES or NO would have sufficed, but once again you went on a rampage about people having an inferiority complex instead of merely answering the question that was asked.

If I need explain further "Gringo" was not a term that I have ever heard... so when I looked it up it said " disparging" that is why I questioned if you were against Americans... I did not say white Americans, or Americans of color... JUST Americans.

I think I made myself clear... so I will do with this post of yours like I do the rest... watch you spin, twist everyone's words... chuckle:D

*edit*
Lol pray tell me how I am racially frustrated... you have accused me of being frustrated because I can't debate with you over MY religion... which I might add I DON'T have a religion just like I DON'T have racial frustrations... you must not sleep much at night too busy spinning flase claims. :) May peace enter your life you poor twisted soul. Go away Cred your charges are unfounded and annoying like a pesky fly.

Cred
You never answered Inthebox's question... do black people get called "gringos" or do you just reserve that for white people?

Cred
Wow, you sure do twist peoples words...you are a master...
It was not I that said a word (gringo) that could be taken out of racial context but you.

I merely asked if you were racist a yes or no would have sufficed, but once again you went on a rampage about people having an inferior complex instead of merely answering the question that was asked.

If I need explain further "Gringo" was not a term that I have never heard...so when I looked it up it said " disparging" that is why I questioned if you were against Americans... I did not say white Americans, or Americans of color...Just Americans.

I think I made my self clear...so I will do with this post of yours like I do the rest...watch you spin, twist everyones words..... chuckle:D


Yep he sure is the master
He can't even admit that his statement could even be remotely considered disparagement/derogatory
Can't even admit he made a generalization (which he is sure to point out & make a big issue out of when others make such generalizations.
Can't admit that we may have a valid point because that would make us right which would make him wrong -in his perception.
Can't understand there can be two sides of looking at things and seeing them different -everything has to be black & white to Cred0.

P.S. Don't nobody else go on a rampage that is -BABBLE!

Notice the title of his thread... but yet he seems more interested in BASHING America... (I wonder if leaders of other countries ask that their higher power bless them).. odd don't you think and then he uses a term "GRINGO" to describe us Americans... just called it like I saw it.

bushg - nohelp4u : you two must be very happy here with my presence : you can work off all your frustrations...
What a pity - though - that you refuse (or are unable) to address the subject of the topic...

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Who has frustrations??
I KNOW I am quite content.
In fact the only frustration I know of in my life is people that can't understand the simpler concepts of seeing beyond their own understanding.

..... people that can't understand the simpler concepts of seeing beyond their own understanding.
Well... I am indeed one of those people who does not understand your `simpler concept´ of not accepting
scientific evidence backed up with loads of cross supporting evidence no-matter-what,
While simultaneously accepting without any supporting evidence but with lot´s of faith your `simpler concept´ of
the existence of an invisible deity with supra-natural powers creating an entire universe in 6 days while - sitting alone on his cloud - having a lot of interest for every human being´s personal sex life.

Yeah... Sure...

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I wasn't referring at all to your objective/subjective arguments or anything like that
I was referring to your not understanding and admitting that gringo can be a derogatory term.

*** knowing your style of 'mastery' of arguing I am sure you knew that too!!

I was referring to your not understanding and admitting that gringo can be a derogatory term.
Linda : who says I do not understand that? But I have nothing to admit.
It should be clear - even for you - that I never intended it as a derogatory term. It is only you who keeps harping on about that!

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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#43 seems to show you do not understand that
Only me who keeps harping on that?
Then why do you keep referring to Bushg, N0help and Inthebox?

You may not have intended it as a derogatory term but you have insisted that it IS NOT a derogatory term either.

BTW you living in Europe --that makes you a Hunkie I presume?

BTW you living in Europe --that makes you a Hunkie I presume?
What does that `Hunkie´ refer to? I have never heard that term...

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I guess it means you do not understand these types of terms as well as you thought you do

I guess it means you do not understand these types of terms as well as you thought you do
I asked you : What does that `Hunkie´ refer to? I have never heard that term...

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It is the equivalent of gringo used for Polish, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Romanians and the Slovak countries

Cred... nohelp answered your question without a bunch of babble, now can you go back to the questions that I asked you in post #37 and #38 and answer those.

It is the equivalent of gringo used for Polish, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Romanians and the Slovak countries
Now I understand your strange and incorrect remark... A "hunky" refers to someone from South Eastern Europe (Poland is East European). And although I know gringo's have a rather poor understanding of geography, you should know that Western and Eastern Europe are rather remote and very dissimilar to each other, specially in culture, education, and development.

You asked me : "BTW you living in Europe --that makes you a Hunkie I presume?".

So the answer to that is NO. That does not make me a "hunky", though I prefer a "hunky" above a frustrated gringo. Or - in your case - a frustrated gringa.
(Note : gringo and gringa are not intended as derogative statements... )

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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It is not about geography
The point is words change over time (at least in America) so it doesn't necessarily limit the word to the original Hungarian meaning.
I do not have a poor understanding of geography. Thank you.

Cred .... can you go back to the questions that I asked you in post #37 and #38 and answer those.
For me that senseless debate on "gringo" is over. It seems that all you want is to argue about my intentions with "gringo", while I have clearly explained what I meant with it.

Of course there may be some US racist pigs who have other ideas in mind that may exclude blacks from the proud "gringo" title, but that has nothing to do with how the word is intended in Latin America, and/or how I intended it.

As far as I am concerned : the "gringo debate" is hereby closed, so look for another item to release your racial based frustrations !

:rolleyes:

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So look for another item to release your racial based frustrations !

LOL cute!

I do not have a poor understanding of geography. Thank you.
But still you place Poland in South Eastern Europe...

:D :D :D :D :D

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so look for another item to release your racial based frustrations ! LOL cute!
Thanks for underlining what I stated. You proved my point also for yourself!

:D

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N0 I did not place Poland anywhere!
You try being raised Polock and everybody calling you a Hunkie and then you will see my point... MAYBE!
IT IS NOT about geography what don't you get! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And NO I DID NOT underline your point at all! :rolleyes:
I have N0 racially based frustrations:rolleyes::rolleyes:

You wonder ... Aaaaaahhhhh : so the original accusing suggestive question by Bushg to me in #25
and all that followed that false accusation from your side was not based on what I stated (and properly explained later) but on your own racial frustrations.

Thank you for pointing that out !!!


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What exactly do you mean by "on your own racial frustrations?" How else are you going to psychoanalyze me and my fellow American citizens. ;)

[sarcasm coming Credo so don't misinterpret the following questions :D ]

Credo... why are Americns fat? Believe in God? Don't give 90% of their income to taxes?
Don't worship European culture[s]? Own guns? Are Republican? Watch reality TV shows? Oh please, please tell us :D


BTW

Do you think Americans are only white? Thus Your term using gringo?

Yep his prejudicial attitude precedes him!

N0 I did not place Poland anywhere!
You try being raised Polock and everybody calling you a Hunkie and then you will see my point.......MAYBE!
Polock ? Hunkie ? We do not use these words here in Western Europe. Polish and South Eastern European people are fine as far as I am concerned, although I wish they were better educated in language (at least speak either English, French, or German, because my Russian is - just like theirs - rather poor !)

The US must be quite rotten if you are aware of all these words with racial connotations...
But than... it is only 40 years ago that you had to sit in the back of the bus...

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I never had to sit in the back of the bus.
You may not be racist but you DO stereo type and I am not even black!
Actually we are not rotten, the Political Correct liberals said all these words are offensive so we are not to use them.
We here are simply trying to get it in your head that it is not something that is acceptable in American culture any more

Karl Marx was right, when the stated : Religion is the opium of the people!
And governments will do anything to keep it that way.

Any comments?

:rolleyes:

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If only it was opium.

MURDER BY COMMUNISM (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM)


Look how many lives Communism has taken, over a 100 million.

Do you think Americans are only white?
No. Every time I go to the US I see a lot of black people too. I also saw Hispanics, Polynesians, Vietnamese, and even some Eskimos. But why did you ask that ?


Credo .... why ...
Why are Americans fat? Because they eat too much and exercise too little ?

Why (do they) believe in God? Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ?

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

Why are (Americans) Republican? Why not wait till November and see if that is still a valid question?

Why do (Americans) watch reality tv shows? To shorten the time between feedings?


Oh please, please tell us
I just did...

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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We here are simply trying to get it in your head that it is not something that is acceptable in American culture any more
American Culture... An oxymoron!! :D

I will keep using the words gringo and gringa whenever I find it suitable. Even more as I see it keeps you on your toes.

You US guys and girls may have the freedom of speech in your law books, but here in Western Europe we use that freedom also as intended.

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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If only it was opium. MURDER BY COMMUNISM Look how many lives Communism has taken, over a 100 million.
Yes, terrible : perhaps even more than Christians have done over time...
But alas : you're too late now to go and stand on the Red Square protesting about it...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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I never had to sit in the back of the bus.
Of course not ! But I can't blame the driver for throwing you out!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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You having some delusional episode?

You having some delusional episode?
No. And you, Linda ?

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Polock ? Hunkie ? We do not use these words here in Western Europe. Polish and South Eastern European people are fine as far as I am concerned, although I wish they were better educated in language (at least speak either English, French, or German, because my Russian is - just like theirs - rather poor !)

The US must be quite rotten if you are aware of all these words with racial connotations ....
But than .... it is only 40 years ago that you had to sit in the back of the bus ....

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You're from Western Europe?! Thank God! I was afraid you might be from Texas, and that made me so ashamed!

Why are Americans fat? Because they eat too much and exercise too little ?

Why (do they) believe in God? Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ?

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

Why are (Americans) Republican? Why not wait till November and see if that is still a valid question?

Why do (Americans) watch reality tv shows? To shorten the time between feedings?


I just did .....

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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If America didn't have so many races I would say you ARE racist!
But in your case you stereo type.

No. Every time I go to the US I see a lot of black people too. I also saw Hispanics, Polynesians, Vietnamese, and even some Eskimos. But why did you ask that ?


Why are Americans fat? Because they eat too much and exercise too little ?

Why (do they) believe in God? Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ?

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

Why are (Americans) Republican? Why not wait till November and see if that is still a valid question?

Why do (Americans) watch reality tv shows? To shorten the time between feedings?


I just did .....

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

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Thank you Cred, I knew you would come through :p

My guess is he got it right off a Euro humor page,
Like the American humor page (you know like the Redneck humor pages like What do rednecks call ductape?)
Surely nobody stereo types as bad as Credo just did... must be Euro humor!!

I conclude from all of his ramblings that he finds us Americans to be quite distasteful.
I thought it from the beginning of this thread, then he called us "gringos" if I had any doubts after his reaction to my question, then the rest of his ramblings has sealed it for me. :cool:

I think he intended this thread for a good old American bashing and wanted us stoopid Americans to join in and bash ourselves.:mad:

His thread was supposed to be about kings, governments and religions, but it is filled with disgust for America. Cred you seem a little to preoccupied about America's religious beliefs.:rolleyes:

What is the silliest about his thread is he is upset that the people, presidents say "God Bless"... this is coming from a man that does not believe in God... so someone tell me why is he upset over this?? :eek:
If he truly doesn't believe in God and his/her blessings then why is he so upset that a nation wants to be blessed by him/her:confused:... I would think he would just laugh at the stupidity of it all... instead he acts as he is afraid that America may get a little more than the rest of the world from the request of these blessings... hmm:confused:

I think he intended this thread for a good old American bashing and wanted us stoopid Americans to join in and bash ourselves.

Credo's bashing here is just the tip of the iceberg You should hear when he goes off on American's being the biggest polluters, entire rant of American's being fat, etc...
The things he wrote here are just his topics!

Nohelp... I'm sure that he will enlighten us, as soon as he gets the chance.

Inthebox... heres your greenie:D

I can't wait either;)

Nohelp4u , bushg , inthebox : what a sad bunch of religious hypocrite losers you are...
And you three really think you are spreading "The Word" with all that rancorous venom?

I reacted to a list that suggested I was a racist, and replied to each point individually. Not from another website - like you three would do - but by myself with sufficient pun included.
That you three in your hatred for me can not see that shows your own limitations. Not mine.

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Now you assume we hate you
I never even said or implied you were being racist with your remark

Once again your babble is incorrect... I have never ever claimed to be a part of any religion or faith. Your wrong when you say I am spreading "the word"

The only word I am spreading is that you used a word to describe Americans that in my opinion should not be used.
Your thread that is supposed to examine effects of government, kings being ruled by religion... you turned it into a disgusting, hate speech about how terrible America is... you can kiss my American @ss.

You made a statement so Bushg ASKED if you were racist
All you had to do was reply no but you made it into a problem
Then we tried to give you some American perspective on words being in a gray area that can be taken either way
YOU got defensive
YOU took it the wrong way
NOW YOU want to say we hate??

Gee if I am so grateful that when I tell my boyfriend that it I don't appreciate him using the word dam.n for everything that he doesn't take it as me hating him.
Being told that somebody doesn't appreciate a word does not constitute hate for the person. If that is the case I feel worse for your country that takes things so personally more than I hate the politically correct in my country that calls gringo, N.. hunkie and spic hate speech and tries to ban it.

You react/we reply There is a distinction there too but I believe it would be lost in translation as usual!!

Nohelp4u , bushg , inthebox : what a sad bunch of religious hypocrite losers you are...
And you three really think you are spreading "The Word" with all that rancorous venom?

I reacted to a list that suggested I was a racist, and replied to each point individually. Not from another website - like you three would do - but by myself with sufficient pun included.
That you three in your hatred for me can not see that shows your own limitations. Not mine.

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YOU are hopeless
BELIEVE what you want!
If it makes you happy believing we hate you so be it.

YOU are hopeless BELIEVE what you want! If it makes you happy believing we hate you so be it.
Don't lie : your hatred for me oozes out of almost every line you post here...

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Nohelp... he can never give a simple yes or no... he continually talks down to people as if he is the most intelligent man on earth and often refers to others IQ level. Yet he can't answer a simple yes or no answer... hmm

Cred. Yep, I pretty much can't stand you, I think you know it and I really don't care. I think you're a bully and I don't like bullies.

Nohelp...he can never give a simple yes or no...he continually talks down to people as if he is the most intelligent man on earth and often refers to others IQ level. Yet he can't answer a simple yes or no answer...hmm

... and he takes things as we hate I suppose it has to do with the anti 'YOU AMERICAN's' image he has.

For him being a non-hater he sure can dole out the name calling and the YOU AMERICAN speeches
I don't think that is because he loves us!! :rolleyes:

our speech =hate
his name calling= freedom

Nohelp4u , bushg , inthebox : what a sad bunch of religious hypocrite losers you are ....
And you three really think you are spreading "The Word" with all that rancorous venom?

I reacted to a list that suggested I was a racist, and replied to each point individually. Not from another website - like you three would do - but by myself with sufficient pun included.
That you three in your hatred for me can not see that shows your own limitations. Not mine.

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I think it is good that you point out the suffering in the world. It is God's word to love each other, to serve each other. You are correct in that regard. More can always and needs to be done.

My point of contention is that you stereotype Christians and Americans, as a whole, as doing nothing. It is just a debate and I back it up with the links - the facts and proof that you need to see - this is not just my opinion.

Personally , I don't hate you. I hate/ don't like your view on a lot of subjects, but I also like reading an opinion that differs from mine.

If I offended you, I am sorry. :o

My point of contention is that you stereotype Christians and Americans, as a whole, as doing nothing.
Please provide item and topic where I did that : where did I state that Christians and Americans - as a whole - are doing NOTHING ? I never did.
I clearly stated that Christians should show more ("true") compassion. And with US America being 85% Christian...


If I offended you, I am sorry
Thank you, but not necessary. I just wanted to underline that often the approach on this board by some is extremely offending due to their lack of real arguments, and the frustration they seem to experience as a result of that.

I have never tried to offend anyone's personal religious belief, as my position is one of tolerance towards other people's world view. But I will put anyone or any action that intends to limit my personal freedom in that respect into the focus of discussion.

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Yes inthebox
Cred has you on that one he never said we do nothing

He said we are a bunch of fat lazy people ---Because we eat too much and exercise too little ? That are brainwashed and bigoted --Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ? That should fork over all their hard earned money (except 10%) --Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ? (Gee I would end up with a whole $100. Per month--really pays my rent!

And we do not worship his country--Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

And we are blood thirsty because we want guns to shot the gangsta's--Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

And we watch brain dead TV-- Why do (Americans) watch reality TV shows? To shorten the time between feedings?



So yeah he got us on that one!

Oh and to do this properly I got it from post #64 by cred


No. Every time I go to the US I see a lot of black people too. I also saw Hispanics, Polynesians, Vietnamese, and even some Eskimos. But why did you ask that ?


Why are Americans fat? Because they eat too much and exercise too little ?

Why (do they) believe in God? Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ?

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

Why are (Americans) Republican? Why not wait till November and see if that is still a valid question?

Why do (Americans) watch reality tv shows? To shorten the time between feedings?


I just did .....

:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D




:rolleyes:

Cred said that (Americans) should fork over all their hard earned money (except 10%).
You are just as bad as inthebox! I NEVER stated that !
If you feel otherwise, please state item and topic where I posted that !


Why don't they (US Americans) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ? (Gee I would end up with a whole $100. per month--really pays my rent!
This is a clear and deliberately misrepresentation :

The QUESTION TO ME was : "Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes?"

MY REPLY TO THAT was : "If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?"

Please if you quote me, make sure you quote properly.

:rolleyes:

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Post #64!





Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?


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Do the math


Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes

90% to taxes = 10% take home pay


Do the math


:eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Post #64!Do the math
Why would I ? I never stated that they should pay 90 % etc.

Post #64


We here are simply trying to get it in your head that it is not something that is acceptable in American culture any more
American Culture... An oxymoron!!

I will keep using the words gringo and gringa whenever I find it suitable. Even more as I see it keeps you on your toes.

You US guys and girls may have the freedom of speech in your law books, but here in Western Europe we use that freedom also as intended.

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Nothing there about 90% or 10%... What are you smoking or drinking there ?

PLEASE QUOTE WHERE I SUGGESTED "Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes?"

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The QUESTION TO ME was : "Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes?"

MY REPLY TO THAT was : "If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?"

Then what in the world are you referring to about with this??

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Then what in the world are you referring to about with this?
Just go and see my post # 63 where I CLEARLY replied to post # 58 by inthebox

Do your homework , Linda!!

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Just go and see my post # 63 where I CLEARLY replied to post # 58 by inthebox

Do your homework , Linda !!!


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Homework assignment


Post #63


If only it was opium.

MURDER BY COMMUNISM (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM)


Look how many lives Communism has taken, over a 100 million.

Post #58


N0 I did not place Poland anywhere!
You try being raised Polock and everybody calling you a Hunkie and then you will see my point.......MAYBE!
IT IS NOT about geography what don't you get!?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And NO I DID NOT underline your point at all! :rolleyes:
I have N0 racially based frustrations:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Homework assignment ?
On my display this is post #63




Do you think Americans are only white?
No. Every time I go to the US I see a lot of black people too. I also saw Hispanics, Polynesians, Vietnamese, and even some Eskimos. But why did you ask that ?


Credo .... why ...
Why are Americans fat? Because they eat too much and exercise too little ?

Why (do they) believe in God? Because they are brainwashed by the prude and bigoted US society to believe that ?

Why don't (they) give 90% of their income to taxes? If you as gringo do not know that, why should I ?

Why don't (they) worship European culture[s]? Because they worship their own culture of more, more, and more too much ?

Why (do they) own guns? Because in essence they are still bloodthirsty barbarians?

Why are (Americans) Republican? Why not wait till November and see if that is still a valid question?

Why do (Americans) watch reality TV shows? To shorten the time between feedings?


Oh please, please tell us
I just did...

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On my display this is post #58


What exactly do you mean by "on your own racial frustrations?" How else are you going to psychoanalyze me and my fellow American citizens. [sarcasm coming Credo so don't misinterpret the following questions ]

Credo ....why are Americns fat? believe in God? Don't give 90% of their income to taxes?
Don't worship European culture[s]? Own guns? Are Republican? watch reality tv shows? Oh please, please tell us

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That are in my display posts #63 and #58.
May be due to another setting your numbers are different.
I use last first / first last, as that way I see immediately the last entries, instead of to have to go through all the pages. If so : strange that these numbers also seem to change ! (Do they?? )


Can you see now that it was not I who suggested that Americans have to pay 90% of their income to taxes, but that it was a part of a question by inthebox ?

:)

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