Are there really that many Americans, who don't really understand the cryptic way this guy uses to promote even more re-distribution of wealth in our Nation?

Seriously, when he says things like "we need to capture some of this economic growth, and re-invest it where "we" know it is most needed".

Or perhaps the way he uses the term "tax credits" so freely and openly?

Re-invest it where "WE" know it is needed? Yeah, take it away from those who have earned it, and give it to those who have not.

There is no such thing anymore as a "tax credit". What we have in reality is "Government Hand-outs" at the expense of the high achievers.

The liberals can't stand the idea that anyone in our society should have more than anyone else. It is the principal philosophy of Socialism, keep everyone equal, despite the fact that more effort, should result in bigger reward.

These so called tax credits, are simply the taking of money, from the higher achievers, and paying it to those who pay no taxes to begin with.

How the hell can anyone call that a "tax credit" with a straight face?

True tax credits ended when the "earned income credit" program started. Since then, anything called a tax credit is really a lie.

Why do you suppose the left will not use the correct term for these programs?

Why can't they just be straight with the American public, and say what it is that they are really doing?

I believe that even the high ranking Liberal Democrats know that if they used the real words, and spoke the truth, that many of the very people that support them, would do an about face, once the fancy terms, and misleading statements were replaced with "we believe that no matter how hard you work, no matter how many hours you put in each day, that you do not have a right, to have more money than your neighbor, who sits on the couch, watching Oprah, while shoveling potato chips down their throat".

Nope, they can't say that, can they?

What say you?

All political leasers do the same thing, they re-assign revenue towards the causes they campaigned for. It's not an Obama, or Democrat thing, it's all politicians, conservative and liberal. Never is there a change in administration where the tax money has not been distributed to other programs - be it environment, defense, education, etc.

I am very poor compared to most people and I even have enough sense to realize that what they are doing is not good.
While I will take what I am eligible for --earned income credit, LIHEAP for utilities,
I just don't see why we need more programs or more taking away from the richer people.
The hypocrisy of it all too is that these very ones that preach redistribution of the wealth are the very ones that live in the gated communities that cost an arm and a leg and they drive and fly anywhere anytime they want. Why aren't they putting THEIR money where their mouth is!

All political leasers do the same thing, they re-assign revenue towards the causes they campaigned for. It's not an Obama, or Democrat thing, it's all politicians, conservative and liberal. Never is there a change in administration where the tax money has not been distributed to other programs - be it environment, defense, education, etc.

This has NOTING to do with environmental issues, defense, or education!

It has to do with over taxing the higher achievers, and donating their money to the under achievers.

It is a LIBERAL/DEMOCRATIC belief, that this is how things should be, no one should have more than any other, period.

Yes, it is worth noting.

Edit to add: wow, you really did some editing on the above post after the fact. Naughty, naughty.

He is talking about investing in industry and refitting current industry in order to end our dependence on imported oil!! All we do now is borrow money from China to pay and MAKE RICH our opec buddies/enemies.

The Republicans are all about importing oil and have been since 1980 when Reagan tossed aside Carter's start symbolized by Reagan ripping down the solar panels off the roof of the White House. Republicans have been in power 20 our of the last 28 years, and they crippled Clinton's second term by impeaching him over NOTHING important. Gingrich and the Republican congress hampered Clinton's initiatives, too.

Republicans have led America down the road to potential destruction. Obama is talking about reversing our path.

He is not talking about give-aways to poor Americans.

Yes, it is worth noting.

edit to add: wow, you really did some editing on the above post after the fact. Naughty, naughty.
Are you addressing me?

Or someone else's post?

What editing are you speaking of?

By the way, radical right pro, WHOEVER is elected President will have to RAISE TAXES to pay for the Fascist's War of Adventurism... Bush's FIASCO.

Get your head out of your a%%. There is a real countryhere needing some real attention... not just being robbed blind by certain elements who are friends of Bush. :)

This question should be transferred to the Current Events Discussion Board... that is for Fascist Propaganda and Lies that need trouncing.

Are you addressing me?

Or someone else's post?

What editing are you speaking of?You. When I posted below you all you had there was "This has NOTING" and then all that extra text appeared later, after my post.

By the way, radical right pro, WHOEVER is elected President wil have to RAISE TAXES to pay for the Fascist's War of Adventurism....Bush's FIASCO.

Get your head out of your a%%. There is a real countryhere needing some real attention....not just being robbed blind by certain elements who are friends of Bush. :)
You make me laugh out loud, good-naturedly of course. :p

He is talking about investing in industry and refitting current industry in order to end our dependence on imported oil!!! All we do now is borrow money from China to pay and MAKE RICH our opec buddies/enemies.

The Republicans are all about importing oil and have been since 1980 when Reagan tossed aside Carter's start symbolized by Reagan ripping down the solar panels off the roof of the White House. Republicans have been in power 20 our of the last 28 years, and they crippled Clinton's second term by impeaching him over NOTHING important. Gingrich and the Republican congress hampered Clinton's initiatives, too.

Republicans have led America down the road to potential destruction. Obama is talking about reversing our path.

He is not talking about give-aways to poor Americans.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

The most recent "tax credit" he has mentioned was in reference to all the defaults on student loans, and how he wants to give a "tax credit" to these students, so that the "over achievers" can help pay for their education, while struggling to pay for their own children's education, at the same time.

This is what I mean, when I ask, why can't you socialists just be honest in the expression of your beliefs and ideals?

Call it what it really is, Redistribution of wealth, communism at it's finest.

While it could cost you a large portion of your supporting base if you were open and honest about it, I would have much more respect for the honesty.

The hypocrisy of it all too is that these very ones that preach redistribution of the wealth are the very ones that live in the gated communities that cost an arm and a leg and they drive and fly anywhere anytime they want. Why aren't they putting THEIR money where their mouth is!?
Is Barack just another liberal/fascist hypocrite? "the Chicago Tribune sums up some of their answers: "My kids have gone to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private school, because I taught there," Obama responded. "It was five minutes from our house. So it was the best option for our kids." That's right, private school for their kids, public for yours; and by the way, "... all you public school teachers are underpaid and we'll fix that when I take over, as well as reparations... "* http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Barack_Obama's_children_attend_public_school
* Parody from George_1950 (the last quote)

By the way, radical right pro, WHOEVER is elected President wil have to RAISE TAXES to pay for the Fascist's War of Adventurism....Bush's FIASCO.

Get your head out of your a%%. There is a real countryhere needing some real attention....not just being robbed blind by certain elements who are friends of Bush. :)

This war is not the cause of our economic problems.

The Vietnam war, cost America about 17% of our National Income.

The Korean war, cost America about 14% of our National Income.

This war, is costing us about 4% of our National Income.

It is the socialistic punishment of achievement in this Nation that is the cause of our economic problems. The harder one works, the more one achieves, the more the government takes from them.

This is also true of the treatment of the Evil Big Corporations, you know, the ones responsible for creating jobs.

I don't know of any poor person that is creating jobs, do you?

I truly enjoy these posts!

It is so satisfying to see you resort to things like "get your head out of your a%%" in place of any legitimate and intelligent response.

I don't know of any poor person that is creating jobs, do you?



I do when and if my van is running in the summers
When I make enough I am having T shirts made for my crew

American doing jobs American's won't do

Will work for beer.

All politicians have their agenda which will sound good to the voter and be utilized entirely different once they're in office. The middle class that works the hardest will end up paying the most in taxes. This is a 'break your back middle class' nation. Obama is preaching to the choir to gain the vote of the poor. Evidently they believe he will take them out of poverty.
Amazing how many people will believe anything!

If we all just sit back and keep doing the same things, we're going to keep getting the same things, until there is nothing left.

DON'T VOTE THE STATUS QUO - Libertarian is the way to go.

You. When I posted below you all you had there was "This has NOTING" and then all that extra text appeared later, after my post.
What have you been smoking?

Are you really trying to say I posted a 3 word reply?

OK.

What have you been smoking?

Are you really trying to say I posted a 3 word reply?

OK.Yes, yes you did. Stuff doesn't show up unless someone hits "Submit Answer".

Are you in the habit at smoking drugs and posting here? I don't.

This question should be transferred to the Current Events Discussion Board....that is for Fascist Propaganda and Lies that need trouncing.
Are you serious or... :D :D :D :D :D

All I know is we Americans have two choices for president. The first is a person who claims not to be of a faith he was raised in who has known mobsters for business friends who talks out of both sides of his mouth or simply says uh uh uh if he does not want to answer the question and has a former(?) pastor who now lives in an exclusive community in a 12 million dollar home who hates America (great role model). And the second is a person who was supposedly a prisoner of war who did/did not receive special treatment from his captors in exchange for information and cooperation, who has a violent behavioral streak, who just happened to marry a very rich woman, amazingly bought his senatorial seat, is one of the oldest persons who ever ran for president who possibly has the beginnings of senility. I for one am not going to bother to vote for either of these wonderful gentlemen as I basically don't care anymore as either one of these bozos will ultimately ruin America regardless of what their name is in the next 4 years. The village idiot paved their way very nicely for them to finish the job he started. Tax credits are irrelevant. Be happy we can at least feed our children unlike some foreign countries who are having food wars and food riots now trying to feed their children. Pretty soon we'll be at each other's throats trying to buy food that is not available for sale at any price.

I can't afford to vote for John McCain and neither can middle and lower class America. Vote Barack Obama!

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All told I'd rather not have the tax confiscated from my paycheck. Then there would be no need for a credit.

Needkarma is right . Beyond the basic services that government has a constitutional responsibility to perform ;all other taxes above and beyond that is intended for some manipulation and social engineering .

We as a nation have decided that some of them are worthy of our going along with it. Others clearly go into law despite the people's objections. It is the fault of the electorate that we have so often been seduced by the promise of something for nothing .

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.Alexis de Tocqueville

Are there really that many Americans, who don't really understand the cryptic way this guy uses to promote even more re-distribution of wealth in our Nation?

Seriously, when he says things like "we need to capture some of this economic growth, and re-invest it where "we" know it is most needed".

Or perhaps the way he uses the term "tax credits" so freely and openly?

Re-invest it where "WE" know it is needed? Yeah, take it away from those who have earned it, and give it to those who have not.

There is no such thing anymore as a "tax credit". What we have in reality is "Government Hand-outs" at the expense of the high achievers.

The liberals can't stand the idea that anyone in our society should have more than anyone else. It is the principal philosophy of Socialism, keep everyone equal, despite the fact that more effort, should result in bigger reward.

These so called tax credits, are simply the taking of money, from the higher achievers, and paying it to those who pay no taxes to begin with.

How the hell can anyone call that a "tax credit" with a straight face?

True tax credits ended when the "earned income credit" program started. Since then, anything called a tax credit is really a lie.

Why do you suppose the left will not use the correct term for these programs?

Why can't they just be straight with the American public, and say what it is that they are really doing?

I believe that even the high ranking Liberal Democrats know that if they used the real words, and spoke the truth, that many of the very people that support them, would do an about face, once the fancy terms, and misleading statements were replaced with "we believe that no matter how hard you work, no matter how many hours you put in each day, that you do not have a right, to have more money than your neighbor, who sits on the couch, watching Oprah, while shoveling potato chips down their throat".

Nope, they can't say that, can they?

What say you?

What say I? Plenty. Let's start with the way Howard Dean and the DNC are proposing to take Hillary's delegates away at the convention and give them to Obama as per the news. Obama knows of this, surely, as the news is out. Why isn't he trying to be fair and STOP Dean and the DNC? What they are proposing to do is wrong and *one* reason why I could never support Obama. And yet, by Obama's silence on this matter, and his loyalists wanting Clinton's delegates for HIM, he is in effect, endorsing this! Is this the kind of "Change" we can believe in? Apparently! Where's the fairness and ethics in that? And yes, he does want to raise taxes for all of us though his cronies say the Republican candidate will do the same. But the difference is that the Republican candidate would not stand for as much going out of your pockets as would Obama, so go figure it out. Progunr, millions across this country are not going to vote for Obama regardless of what Hillary says. They will either support McCain or stay home and not vote. Tired of Obama's emptiness and Don't Like McCain? There is, however, a real Alternative, a movement in this country that is currently being supported by MILLIONS across these United States. It is to draft Hillary on the November ballot. To see how many are truly supporting this cause and to learn more and how you can get involved:

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Looking at the current state of the economy, the deficit, unemployment, under employment, outsourcing, oil and fuel prices. It's obvious to me that something should change. I mean the present method has shown it isn't working. Companies are allowed to cut back on retiree's pensions and medical and benefits people have earned. What about them ? Maybe a new administration that isn't so obstructive and averse to new ideas is needed.

Insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different outcome.

Ever since Reagan's huge tax increase, workers have lost ground in the economy. Homes that cost a year's wages 40 years ago no cost 6 years wages. Why ? Because Corporate America has no interest in preserving America, but turning excessive profits that are placed off shore. Greed is killing the dreams of most of the people in this nation. Unfortunately, those who profit the most, put the least back.

Warren Buffett has offer a one million dollar reward to any CEO that can show they pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes than their secretary. He still has his money.

The fact that our political process is bought and sold only allows those whose unquenchable greed to further corrupt the system.

Do I think Obama is the right guy ? Probably not. Can he make a difference ? Probably not. However he is the only one in the race that even suggests change. As I said, I am not insane.

Just curious how the above post by Skygem has anything to do with the question asked... :?

I understand enough of what he says to know that I won't be voting for him. Change comes in 2 flavors, good and bad. Change for the sake of change is also insane.

I would never defend a person who sits on the couch eating potato chips while watching oprah. Obviously, they should be working if they are able.

My question to you progunr, is that if you were paralyzed tomorrow, and could never work another day in your life, would you not want a government program to help you?

I would never defend a person who sits on the couch eating potato chips while watching oprah. Obviously, they should be working if they are able.

My question to you progunr, is that if you were paralyzed tomorrow, and could never work another day in your life, would you not want a government program to help you?

You are stating an extreme situation, that has nothing to do with government entitlements or the redistribution of wealth.

Social Security Disability would cover such a situation, and the amount you draw, is in direct relation to how much you have worked and earned in your lifetime.

I addressed the use of the term "tax credits" here, and how the libs can't say what it really is and I fail to see how your "example" has anything to do with that.

Social Security Disability would cover such a situationCrazy communism socialist plan!

Crazy communism socialist plan!

WHAT?

A program that is directly tied to the individual having been employed, actually working, earning money, paying taxes, and when the amount available is based on the time worked and the taxes paid, I don't call that socialist.

Tax Credits.

That is socialism.

Why let the government take care of it for you? Can't you sock money away on your own? Crazy nanny-state you live in.

Why let the government take care of it for you? Can't you sock money away on your own? Crazy nanny-state you live in.

I am socking money away, it is removed from my paycheck before I ever see it, and has been since I started working 38 years ago. If I become disabled, then I can get some of MY money back.

Your style of debate, or arguing, makes me laugh, thanks!

Yes, being paralyzed is an extreme situation. However, if you become paralyzed at a young age, social security is not going to cover your expenses for the rest of your life, even if you worked full time! When I was in grade school, a friend of mine's father was paralyzed from the neck down in an auto accident. He was 38 years old. Their family NEEDED food stamps just to put dinner on the table. There are many people in life whose lives are not as fortunate as other peoples. Some people CAN'T work.

I am 33 years old. I worked full time while I put myself through school. I don't want to see anyone take advantage of the programs that the government offers, even though I know it happens. However, I still believe that people that are in NEED should have these programs available to them. After all, one day I may NEED one of them.

I am socking money away, it is removed from my paycheck before I ever see it, and has been since I started working 38 years ago. If I become disabled, then I can get some of MY money back.

Your style of debate, or arguing, makes me laugh, thanks!All I'm doing is parroting you guys. Now you see what we face. :)

All I'm doing is parroting you guys. Now you see what we face. :)
I'll tell you what I see.

I see issues about the quality of Obama's character being questioned here by conservatives.

I see issues about Obama's socialistic plans for our Nation being questioned here by conservatives.

I see issues about Obama's radical associations being questioned here by conservatives.

I see these issues, being questioned by conservatives, that the liberals can't defend.

When the liberals can't defend the issue being questioned, they tend to move to childish, personal attacks against the conservative poster.

It is an obvious pattern.

If you doubt it, since you seem to be so good at bringing up peoples previous posts, try a little side by side comparison and let me know what you see?