I’ve been told that Bible prohibits the eating of pork. Their proof is: the book of Leviticus, ch 11, v. 7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8. Then in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork. Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul sid this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations.He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard about Jesus. In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law…” Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandment. One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork. This is why the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple can say, “I have never eaten anythng impure or unclean” (Acts of the Apostles, ch 10, v. 14). Five chapters later in the Acts of the Apostles, 15:29, we find that the original disciples still differentiate between clean and unclean foods, and this time Paul is in agreement with them.Six chapters later, in ch. 21, v 25, their decision to impose food regulations on believers is mentioned without regret, and this time Paul is challenged to prove that he is in agreement with them; and he demonstrated his full agreement with them. What remains, then is that Jesus (on whom be peace) upheld the prohibition against pork. His disciples also upheld it. What I want to know is this right or not

dolly100,

You will get different answers. The answer is YOU CAN EAT PORK. We live in the age of Grace. You cannot mix Law and Grace. It is one of the biggest problems in Christianity today. In the book of Acts... Peter is given a vision by God and in it God tells him to eat a the things that a good little Jewish man or woman wouldn't dream of eating. In fact, Peter says NO LORD. But the Lord said HE made it and it is clean. Period, end of story... I can't even believe it is up for debate... but it is!! Remember this... Acts is a book about how Christianity really began. In the first few Chapters... Peter and the rest of the disciples are CLUELESS as to what Grace is or what the CHURCH is.. they are still waiting for Jesus to come and set up HIS kingdom they are Jewish men, living as Jesus did.. under the Law.

I've been told that Bible prohibits the eating of pork. Their proof is: the book of Leviticus, ch 11, v. 7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8. Then in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork.

You might want to look through the line up of helpful comments on Food Statues question on would it be healthier to obey as law. I have this same question in my thoughts about Pork and the other foods like lobster.
What I have found is the conversation goes from just food law of Leviticus to compared idol food offering and sacrifices. I trust we all know idol sacrifices would be worship of another god and very sinful.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD

Point of Note: is definitely not what you have in mind. As you reread the scripture it is teaching of people who in the end will be doing what was similar to Adam and Eve. The [tree] is being worshipped, and the eating is like the example of the forbidden fruit, and the abomination meaning adultery toward the Truth, the Belief in the wedding of Christ. And all will be consumed together meaning ended and destroyed when Christ returns. So this scripture really has little to do with what you asked about pork and eating it today.


Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul sid this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations.He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard about Jesus..

Ephesians 2:15-16 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

This is a very good point of fact but I feel it means Christ has Saved us, by nailing our sins to the cross, and these sins which were determined by the commandments were no good in saving us, because alone without Christ we are doomed. It is Christ without the law that Saves us... This is where Grace comes in, and Jesus is God's Grace.


In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law…” Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandment. One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork. This is why the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple can say, “I have never eaten anythng impure or unclean” (Acts of the Apostles, ch 10, v. 14)...


Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Point of Fact: Matthew 5:17-19 is definitely where I stand on believeing eating lobster or pork remains unhealth for you. Not a sin, not a sacrifice, but a trash eater created to clean this earth. A bad source of meat... it has to be, God compared it to partaking with satan.



Five chapters later in the Acts of the Apostles, 15:29 we find that the original disciples still differentiate between clean and unclean foods, and this time Paul is in agreement with them.Six chapters later, in ch. 21, v 25, their decision to impose food regulations on believers is mentioned without regret, and this time Paul is challenged to prove that he is in agreement with them; and he demonstrated his full agreement with them...

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and] concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


Point of Fact: Does not have to do with the question of eating pork or lobster as refer in Lev.. This is all about idol worship.. and we as Christians do not ever worship other gods or idols. Idol worship is an abomination.. Deuteronomy 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it [is] a cursed thing.





What i want to know is this right or not

The last thing that has been hammered about this subject is remembering Christ as our Grace. In no way do I doubt Christ as our Savior, and that we should be forever thankful for His Grace.. The follow scripture do refer: law, faith, and grace.. I believe the scriptures are telling us that by no means can we forget the law and comment sin.. However again with the law we have nothing that saves us! But if we have faith in Christ as our Savior, and we stand firm in faith we receive Christ Grace.
Point of Fact: Grace will not Save the unbeliever because there is no faith. And those with Faith will listen to the law, and receive Grace because they believe. However it was not the law or works that did any of this, but it was Faith = Grace.

Romans 3:3-4 For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged

Roman 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Point of fact:Faith alone!

Roman 3:30-31 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

~In Christ ~ In The Light ~ Peace

I hope you see the verses show that Christ came and released us from the diet requirements.

I hope you see the verses show that Christ came and released us from the diet requirements.


This is what I am very interested in hearing about.. Either here on this topic or under the Statues of Food being treated as law? Please offer your knowledge.

Yes the Old Testement had not only a lot of laws, but a lot of rules to live by, and at the time, considering sanitation many of those were for those reasons, Something they could not understand at the time.

But we know that Peter was told not to make unclean what God had made clean, and while he was speaking more directly about the Gentiles, he used food as the example in this. Telling Peter to eat.

And we have Pauls examples ( although many non Christians don't like Paul)

Now that does not mean that the food or diet is not a good diet and one should follow it perhaps, not because we are required any longer but because we want to.
The difference falls in the requirement

The difference falls in the requirement

True.. such as eating the sacrifice would do you no good.. but not eating it does no harm. All when you know right from wrong and have faith. Yet eating it when a weaker followers is present can influence them and you have cause harm to someone else.. ouch

We are to look after others and as you mentioned in another posts we should correct and help when we see the harm in their actions .

It would be pleasing to know according to food eaten is the swine a swine. If so the swin is not good. Eating swine was in the statutes of protection. Right? Where are these today?

Jesus fulfilled all the Law. Additionally, are you Jewish? If not, then even if you lived during Old Testament times, you would not be subject to Israel's dietary law. One exception, if you lived IN ISRAEL you would have been subject to all the laws.

Jesus fulfilled all the Law. Additionally, are you Jewish? If not, then even if you lived during Old Testament times, you would not be subject to Israel's dietary law. One exception, if you lived IN ISRAEL you would have been subject to all the laws.


In fulfilling the Law, Christ brought all that was written as a done deal in Truth. I am the Light, The Truth and The Life. John 14:6

No I am not Jewish... I firmly believe all that is written , and God has shown no contradiction in His Word.

The scripture most held to is Act 10-11 which tells of the Gentiles that God is sending to Peter so that Peter can be authority over them and teacher them. Before the Gentiles get to the temple God does indeed drop the cloth of clean and uncelan foods. Peter says "NO LORD" I believe it is because Peter knows how his authority could influence the Gentiles, and if he was to eat unclean meat in the temple, the Gentiles would fall into their previous custom of belief. Thus Peter would be causing the clean and saved Gentile to believe in the temple of unclean meats and worship of idols. Making the Gentiles unclean themselves again after God has ordained them clean. The warning was to assure Peter not to do this to the Gentiles... Scripture speaks of others causing harm and sin to reap what is sown. The food also that was drop stated all taken back up by God.. "ALL" nothing was touched. Rightly dividing the word is so important.

KJV-Deuteronomy 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong [thy] days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

Do we just throw this scripture out or say nay it is truth?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The fulfillment of the scripture is when Christ returns...

Although the bible says you cannot serve both GOD and Mammon, I serve both Spam and Spammon.

Our foodstuff
Which art in our kitchen,
Hormel be thy name,
Thy dinner come
Cooked well done,
At home and abroad,
Give us this day our daily Spam,
And forgive us our diets,
As we forgive those that diet among us.
Deliver us not into Slimfast,
Deliver us from Treet,
For thine art thy meat and
Thy can and thy gel.
Amen

Do we just throw this scripture out or say nay it is truth?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The fulfillment of the scripture is when Christ returns...

I don't think that we're are throwing the Scripture just because we are not obeying the laws which are not meant for us, i.e. eating pork, etc.

The bible said "until all be fulfilled". The bible did not said "the fulfillment of the scripture is when Christ returns". Remember what Hebrews 8:13 regarding the Law of Moses "In that He says, "A new covenent," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." This is one of the indication that Mosaical Law is not for the Christian dispensation.

Some reasons/evidences provided by bible that eating of pork is no longer prohibited:
-Non-eating of pork is a Mosaical Law. According to Acts 13:39 "from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses"
-Vision of St. Peter allowing him by God to eat such kinds of foods (Acts 10-11)
-St Paul said in Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

Hebrews 8:13 regarding the Law of Moses "In that He says, "A new covenent," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." This is one of the indication that Mosaical Law is not for the Christian dispensation.

I do not disagree with this.. We are under the new covenent. But the law of Moses had to do with sacrifice of meat for our forgiveness. And the Truth brought us forgiveness which the laws of sacrifices in the laws of Moses only did so before Christ. The Truth brought us Jesus.. Grace



Some reasons/evidences provided by bible that eating of pork is no longer prohibited:
-Non-eating of pork is a Mosaical Law. According to Acts 13:39 "from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses"

The Truth in: Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses... and it is saying what I believe to be the truth of Christ

Point of Fact is that I acknowledge we do not have the law of Moses which was done on Passover as a sacrifice of meat for forgiveness. That was done away with in the Truth of Grace =Jesus



-Vision of St. Peter allowing him by God to eat such kinds of foods (Acts 10-11)
-St Paul said in Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

Acts 10-11 does not define food that was dropped down as being good. Even Peter was confused Acts 10:17 because he would never eat them being of Jewish religion. But the Spirit told Peter what was to come that was of importance.

Acts 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Acts 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

This is the subject: Acts 11:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Peter was given authority of teaching the Gentiles.. Peter was not to be a stubbling step for them because the Gentiles had their customs previously that could be unholy and cause sin to the weaker.. God had to make sure nothing was done to cause the Gentiles to become unclean after God had ordained them to be clean.

Leviticus has to do with the statutes.. Following the protective statutes of what is basically healthy to eat and not healthy. Is pork or lobster good for us? Pork is swine.. lobster is a bottom eater.. This queastion has nothing to do with judgement in sin...

Leviticus has to do with the statutes.. Following the protective statutes of what is basicly healthy to eat and not healthy. Is pork or lobster good for us? Pork is swine..lobster is a bottom eater.. This queastion has nothing to do with judgement in sin...
Just a clarification question: Do you mean to say that the Levital Statutes during the Mosaical Era has nothing to do with judgment in sin?

I agree by the fact that eating pork and lobster is not healthy.

I have seen arguments both for and against
The against sounds more convincing
Mainly about the New Testament's distinction about clean and unclean meat
Dietary Laws (http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/Dietary_Laws.html)
But I really am not convinced God will turn you away for eating pork.

I kind of believe that law was to the Jews and the old testament.
In the same chapter it also says to wear 100% cotton or wool how many Christians actually do that consistently?

[QUOTE=N0help4u] but I really am not convinced God will turn you away for eating pork.[QUOTE]

My opinion does not include pork as a sin , please be sure to note that when you read this... Remember in KJV Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Pork eaten or lobster could be considered unclean but not unholy unless you are eating it as a sacriifice.. Thus making it a sin...

Wisdom
KJV Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:


~In Christ

It all gets confusing to me but I agree.

I disagree with most replies... God is for all.. whether you are jew, christian, muslim or other.. so why would god prohibit some and allow others eat pork?. big contradiction.. So as not to get lost in misinterpretations and many opinions.. consult science and let enlightment guide you through your life and support your belief.. That is God should not and DOES NOT contradict with science... which says that pork is carnivore and has much in common with dogs (it has no sweat glands in skin and has canines)...
If it is bad (fatty, source of parasites, viruses.. etc.) why would many eat it? Simple, its high reproduction rate and the fact that it eats almost anything (from cereals, insects to meat). Means it costs cheaper to produce compared to beef.

God did forbid it for the Jews to eat pork in the old testament and most Jews and many religions D0 still follow that but I do believe that God allows us to eat pork now.
Some say they were told not to eat pork because of parasites and it being too easy to get sick by not keeping and cooking it properly.

I disagree with most replies ... God is for all .. whether you are jew, christian, muslim or other .. so why would god prohibit some and allow others eat pork ?? .. big contradiction .. So as not to get lost in misinterpretations and many opinions .. consult science and let enlightment guide you through your life and support your belief .. That is God should not and DOES NOT contradict with science ... which says that pork is carnivore and has much in common with dogs (it has no sweat glands in skin and has canines)...
If it is bad (fatty, source of parasites, viruses..etc.) why would many eat it ?? Simple, its high reproduction rate and the fact that it eats almost anything (from cereals, insects to meat). Means it costs cheaper to produce compared to beef.

I don't believe pork is prohibited in Christian dispensation but I would like to apologize but I just don't like the 2 notions you said that (sorry because I am very particular with wording sometimes):

You said "consult science and let enlightment guide you through your life and support your belief" and "That is God should not and DOES NOT contradict with science".

I also dislike the phrase "should not" as I bolded above.

Science cannot fully support your belief. Science cannot describe in whole the Majesty of God. Science sometimes contradict what was written (ie. Theory of Evolution, Big Bang Theory, etc.) and sometimes God defies Science (ie. Resurrection, abrupt healing, etc).

To sum it all, just because science said so it doesn't follow that it is the Truth.

Hi, Dolly100. The Judaism board is slow and the political board monotonous so I'll take a shot at answering your question. First off those kosher laws were/are binding to Jews and those considered the strangers, which were basically non-Jewish workers within certain Jewish communities that resided in Jewish households (adopted so to speak). Peter according to the Christian Testament storyline was a Jew. BTW I'm a Reform Jew myself and of partial Jewish ethnicity so how I see interpretation of binding law halacha is different even today than that of my Orthodox brethren. But that's not the important thing here, just a side note. Anyway I do think the story when read carefully demonstrates that Peter was part of a beginning movement that separated itself as sect of Judaism at that time. As the Jews and later more Gentiles became larger it became Christianity. According to the story Peter was having a difficult time in accepting Gentiles. Therefore he was given a dream that non-Jews were to be accepted as clean, although not bound by the laws of Jews by using the imagery of unclean animals that he would not normally eat. That's what I got from the story. Normally I do not give my views on the Christian board out of respect, but I don't think this really had to do with the foods itself being the focus. If Jesus actually lived according to the NT stories, he didn't die so that Jews could feel good about eating ham and shrimp. Just my two cents.

Normally I do not give my views on the Christian board out of respect, but I don't think this really had to do with the foods itself being the focus. If Jesus actually lived according to the NT stories, he didn't die so that Jews could feel good about eating ham and shrimp. Just my two cents.

Thank you so much for the statement. The point made was very good, and does tell us Christ died for our sins. Eating pork is not a sin unless done as a sacrifice. However eating pork is unhealthy because God tells us it is unclean.. Not that it is unholy. Christ did not change the food statutes.

Our Father is a protecting Father who loves His children and wants them to live healthy in the world He created. Everything He has done with a motive, justication, and good sense. Perfectly! Amen

So don't eat pork or those foods in Lev noted as unclean, or eat them to reap from the unclean nature of each. ( free will ) I vote for not eating.

Christ did not change food status but we are more knowledgeable on keeping and preparing it than back when they had no way to connect parasites, botulism and other food poisonings to why they were sick. Now we can't even trust the food God did tend for use to eat with the tomato and other produce recalls and mad cow.

Christ did not change food status but we are more knowledgeable on keeping and preparing it than back when they had no way to connect parasites, botulism and other food poisonings to why they were sick. Now we can't even trust the food God did tend for use to eat with the tomato and other produce recalls and mad cow.

This brings up the importance of daily prayer and blessing... Trusting He is with us..

Bless this Kitchen and those who gather here to eat. Let it be a place of love and prayer to You Father, In Jesus name we ask Amen

Eating pork is not a sin unless done as a sacrifice.

It never was for Gentiles, and therefore never a sin. For the Jewish people, outside of having personal knowledge, the proper animals for sacrifice in the Temple was supervised by Cohens and Levites.


However eating pork is unhealthy because God tells us it is unclean.. Not that it is unholy.

Just a note here. It's a little more complicated than that. Your NT defines clean in a way that I had to figure out what was being noted by it's translations, I assume Greek to English. In Judaism for those that are frum (meaning observant) the reason eating kosher occurs is not because something is "clean." It is true that some food items are healthier for us than others. However, actually the Hebrew word for kosher has several translations because of our modern use of slang, but none of them mean clean. Kosher means binding fit (proper). There are also preparation guidelines, but I want get into that. So when you hear a frum Jewish person speak on eating kosher, they do so not because a food item is necessarily clean, but that they are observant to G-d's law. Rabbis teach that as humans we may try and reason why G-d may want us to do certain things, but our reasoning is only secondary.

It never was for Gentiles, and therefore never a sin. For the Jewish people, outside of having personal knowledge, the proper animals for sacrifice in the Temple was supervised by Cohens and Levites..

Yes I know, and I wasn't trying say differently except to use it as an example as for instinct. only if it was ever used as a sacifice. It would have indeed be a sin.. some opinons get the impression that unclean always mean unholy..


And thank you again for the help in explaining

It is not what goes in your mouth that makes you become dirty, but what comes out of it.

There are many more passages in the bible that supports that whatever you find fit to eat will be good. As long as you do not force your beliefs on others. Each person given proper thanks can eat anything they want.

Joe

Joe- Your speaking for those within Christian communities and that stands for reason in Churches where there never was a Kosher standard among a rather large Gentile population. I think it's a personal preference among Christians concerning what foods they like to eat. There may be a few Christian sects that are vegetarian, so in those rare cases there may be a slight menu conflict in combined community functions, but easily resolved. In other words it's not like you would be eating with each other daily at home. Catholics eat fish on some days rather than meat, but for the most part Christian denominations share a similar diet, including pork, shellfish, most cattle parts, etc... Concerning Jews and Gentiles... Jews shouldn't demand that Gentiles eat Kosher and likewise Gentiles of Jews. Your other point was not lost on me. Makes perfect sense. In fact even today only if you visited an observant Jewish function or was invited into their homes, would you eat kosher. Otherwise Jews don't stress on what non-Jews eat.

Joe- Your speaking for those within Christian communities and that stands for reason in Churches where there never was a Kosher standard among a rather large Gentile population. I think it's a personal preference among Christians concerning what foods they like to eat. There may be a few Christian sects that are vegetarian, so in those rare cases there may be a slight menu conflict in combined community functions, but easily resolved. In other words it's not like you would be eating with each other daily at home. Catholics eat fish on some days rather than meat, but for the most part Christian denominations share a similar diet, including pork, shellfish, most cattle parts, etc... Concerning Jews and Gentiles...Jews shouldn't demand that Gentiles eat Kosher and likewise Gentiles of Jews. Your other point was not lost on me. Makes perfect sense. In fact even today only if you visited an observant Jewish function or was invited into their homes, would you eat kosher. Otherwise Jews don't stress on what non-Jews eat.

Hello BABRAM,

I know exactly what your saying and I was trying to say it, but you said it best. No one should demand other people to eat the way they eat. That is what I was trying to say. Excellent post Babram.

I don't belive pork is prohibited in Christian dispensation ....

I also dislike the phrase "should not" as I bolded above.

Science cannot fully support your belief. Science cannot describe in whole the Majesty of God. Science sometimes contradict what was written (ie. Theory of Evolution, Big Bang Theory, etc.) and sometimes God defies Science (ie. Resurrection, abrupt healing, etc).

To sum it all, just because science said so it doesn't follow that it is the Truth.

I guess my words were exact.. no exagerration.. for example a person should not contradict his words... God creeated science and everything so.. why would science cntradict God? Simply it would not... What you call evolution theory... do you think it is the only theory? Do think it is true? I said science and I mean real science.. and there is a big difference between scientists (can be right and can be wrong) and science is facts (real and approved) not just theories and speculations..

Guess what? I saw this simple experiment.. online video... it is amazing.. when you see it you would know what you shoud think about pork..

So do it for yourself... pour coca cola onto pork (uncooked) and let it for a while, minutes up to 1 hour... and see what happens... Good luck

But is it the pork or the coca cola you will never want again?
They have been saying for decades pour coca cola on *everything under the sun* and see what happens

Guess what ?? I saw this simple experiment .. online video... it is amazing .. when you see it you would know what you shoud think about pork ..

So do it for yourself ... pour coca cola onto pork (uncooked) and let it for a while, minutes upto 1 hour.... and see what happens... Good luck


Someone will have to let me know what happens..


Secondly added to my opinion for health reasons.. KJV Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the LORD that healeth thee.

Someone will have to let me know what happens..


Secondly added to my opinion for health reasons.. KJV Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the LORD that healeth thee.

That is what God told Israel under the LAW. WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW!! Why do you want to mix law with grace? I don't get it? Jesus FULFILLED the law... God NOW callS pork CLEAN. End of story. Personally, I don't care if you eat pork... that is a personal preference but don't make it a "CHRISTIAN" thing to do... because it ain't. FYI... If I could have Jesus over for dinner, I'd make him a pork roast and he would eat it... I am a good cook AND it is a good CLEAN thing to eat!

I use to ask legalistic Christians what would you do if God told you go to the store on the sabbath and you went along with that but then you ran into a fallen away Christian and God told you to buy pork and invite him for dinner. What would you do?

I use to ask legalistic Christians what would you do if God told you go to the store on the sabbath and you went along with that but then you ran into a fallen away Christian and God told you to buy pork and invite him for dinner. What would you do?
Not sure I understand your comment. The thing I do know is this>>>>YOU CANNOT mix Law with Grace.. if you do, you will be a very confused, messed up, disappointed, Christian. Legalism is the LEAST of your worries but of course that comes with it. Why in the WORLD would someone read the book of ACTS and Peter's vision and come away thinking... MAN, I got to stay away from PORK. The Lord says exactly what HE means... Blows my mind! This is such "no brainer"! Why do people still put themselves under the law? Paul is clear as crystal on this subject and yet we are still debating this. I just shake my head.

By the way... I do what I want on the Sabbath because I ain't under the law. I even eat pork that day! ::D

It all gets confusing to me but I agree.
God is not the author of confusion. Law and Grace do not mix... it is like water and oil. Don't mix them.. you won't be confused! It is very simple.

Legalist Christians say you can not eat pork, not associate with non believers and you should not do anything on the sabbath.
Therefore if God lead them to go to the store on the Sabbath, invite someone they 'should not' associate with to dinner and cook pork on the sabbath then they would have to choose between following law or grace.

One last note... the problem with many Christians today is they have no idea how to read the bible... the first thing one must understand is WHO is the writer writing to? Is this written to the CHURCH? Is it written to JEWS? The bible is for all of us, but it isn't written to all of us. There are many things that I can glean from the Old testament because God is the same yesterday, today and forever. But the old testament was not written to the "Church". It is surprising to realize this.. but the Gospels are very Jewish. You won't find the "gospel" in them. Not even John 3:16 is the Gospel. His death, burial, and resurrection is recorded but not how to be saved... don't get that until PAUL... nope, not even Peter preaching to the Jews in Acts is the gospel as we know it. Peter didn't have a clue when he preached (and 3000 believed that day) HE was no longer a JEW under the Law. The Church period hadn't been revealed to him at that point. He was waiting for Jesus to come back and set up his Kingdom, right then and there. Church period? Grace? those were terms he was not familiar with that day.

one last note....the problem with many Christians today is they have no idea how to read the bible..


Please then help and tell the meaning of: Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Point of Interest: Tell us, when will all be fulfilled? Scripture has it that no one knows that answer except God.

People also need to realize that the cultures back then. How long did they keep meat around, no refrigeraters. The risk of eating meat with blood in it or not cooked properly were greater. Now a days we have ways of storing and cooking that take care of most of the problems related to parasites and other infections that can happen. We all no what happens when meat is not stored properly or cooked properly. Back then they had strict guidelines to follow but we also need to remember lots of teachings of Jesus. What truly makes us unclean. I find that most christians tend to follow the new testament and Jews follow the old testament and do not follow the new testament at all. It all comes down to each persons personal beliefs and what they think is right and wrong. Whether it has to do with food or not.

I also like the post, that talks about how not to mix old and new cloth together or different types of materials but we do that all the time now. It works. Does everybody follow that law, we are not even having a debate about it. How come? Is not cloths just as important as food or is it just people picking at what they want to pick at.

I will say it again and again. I am going to enjoy my pork chops and roasts, but I am not going to use the food I eat to offend somebody else. If I know somebody that is visiting does not eat pork then I will make sure I make something else for them. That simple.

Can we all hug now, all the pork eaters and non pork eaters please get along. It is about LOVE, not about what we put in our mouths.

Joe

Please then help and tell the meaning of: Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Point of Interest: Tell us, when will all be fulfilled? Scripture has it that no one knows that answer except God.

OK. I am not going to go into a big long discussion here on this particular forum. But I think it is important for you to understand who Jesus was talking to. Was he talking to Gentiles? Was he talking to the "church". NO. He was talking to the JEW under the LAW. I have never been a jew. Before I was saved and put into the body of Christ, I was a gentile. I was NEVER under the Law. In fact, the Law was given to the JEW it was NEVER given to the Gentile.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He and he alone kept the law and kept it perfectly.We read in Romans why the law was made, Paul says (and I am using my own words here )... it was made to show mankind just how rotten he is and how he cannot follow it.

Romans 3 :19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says, It say to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore NO ONE will be delcared righteous in HIS sight by OBSERVING the law; rather through the law we become conscious of sin.

By the way, the book of Romans was written to me! I am part of the Church. Paul also goes on to say in Romans 6 that we are under Grace. He point blank asks the question in Romans 6 :15 if we are no longer under the law but under grace shall we continue in sin? Of course he answers his own question with a NO!

The Law is good. It is not abolished. The Lord has not forgotten the Jewish nation and he is far from done, he will return and set up his kingdom and I believe the law will be put back into place.

But if you will read 1 Timothy 1:8 also written to the CHURCH ( in other words he is talking directly to ME) He says the Law is good if one uses it properly. Then Paul point blank says why the law is made and who it is for. IT isn't for the righteous. Read that verse.

If you have any doubts who the righteous are... go to Romans ( written to the church) and he will define the righteous. Romans 3:22 This righeousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

It is a matter of learning how to read the Word. All of the word is written for me... it is not all written directly to me. If you don't understand that, you will be a very confused, Christian.

I said earlier that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John... are Jewish. They are about Jesus who was a Jew and lived under the Law. No mention of the Church, no mention of the Gospel of salvation, Jesus is talking to the JEW in Mathew he is NOT talking to the Church. Period.

I hope I wasn't too wordy and I am easy to understand. I don't think this is a difficult subject or the least bit confusing.

OK.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He and he alone kept the law and kept it perfectly.We read in Romans why the law was made, Paul says (and I am using my own words here )...it was made to show mankind just how rotten he is and how he cannot follow it.

I said earlier that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John...are Jewish. They are about Jesus who was a Jew and lived under the Law. No mention of the Church, no mention of the Gospel of salvation, Jesus is talking to the JEW in Mathew he is NOT talking to the Church. Period.

I hope i wasn't too wordy and i am easy to understand. I don't think this is a difficult subject or the least bit confusing.

Point Question?So are you saying, what Jesus says in Matthew 5:17-19... is not true? That was my question?

Point Fact:And The Virgin Mary was a Levite, not Jew..

Point Fact: And the Bible holds 3 fulfillment prophecyin the N.T.: The names and meanings with prophetic truth, and shows that even these look forward to times and scenes far beyond their original use; so that even the Immanuel of 7:14 which was fulfilled in Matthew 1:22,23 did not exhaust the Immanuel of Isa 8:10, which is yet future according to Luke 1:31-33

Point Fact: There are three nouns, two verbs, and one adjective to be noticed in the Synonymous Word for Grace.

I take it you believe that whether you obey the laws of the commandment, statutes and ordinances you are under the Grace given gift of free undeserved favor . You plan to just take the ticket and walk where you please, when you please, and however you please?

Have a nice trip..

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
O Manasseh
O Ephraim
* Benjamin

SND,

I am shocked and disappointed by your assumptions of me. DID YOU READ MY POST.? If you DID... where did I say that Grace was a license to sin.? I didn't. I am called to a higher standard than even the Law. The law is waay more than just the 10 commandments.

Where did I say that what Jesus says is not true? Do you read? I said Jesus was talking to the JEW in the book of Mathew. He is NOT speaking to the CHRUCH. Big difference. Everything he says it true. I even said that when he sets up his kingdom I believe he will put the Law back in place.

ARE YOU suggesting that when Paul is writing to the church that what he says to us isn't true? He point blank says we are NOT under the Law. I didn't make it up! I can rightly divide the word of God, I know who the writer is and who the writer is talking directly to. The Bible is confusing if you DO NOT DO THIS. I gave you a verse in Timothy that explains that the Law is good but it is NOT for the righteous. I have been made righteous... not by what I DO but by the BLOOD OF JESUS. BTW... TIMOTHY WAS WRITTEN TO THE CHURCH.. so is Romans. We are not given a license to sin, neither are we under the Law.

You err my friend. You assume things about me that I are not true ( my free ticket to sin? Give me a break)

You also err in understanding the Word of God and how to rightly divide it and frankly that was my entire point. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING AND WHO IT IS DIRECTLY WRITTEN TO. The Word of God is Truth. You are mixing Law with Grace and it cannot be done. When you mix them, you cause confusion. Paul was on some of the Christians in his day for returning to the Law. READ SOME OF HIS EPISTLES!

And one last thought... NO I am not saying the old testament is obsolete! There are many wonderful truths, wisdom, prophecy, types and shadows of grace and mercy. It is all about the Lord Jesus Christ! It is wonderful. BUT!! I AM NOT UNDER THE LAW!

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
o Manasseh
o Ephraim
* Benjamin
Nohelp4u,

A levite is JEW! I didn't even go there. With SND. I have no clue of what his point was.. he is mixed up!

Ok, I'm Seventh-day Adventist and we are kosher like the Jews are, so unclean meats includes more than pork. Anyway, you have to love how certain people feel they've transcribed the bible so well when others didn't and some folks went to Theology Masters seminars to translate Hebrew. I will refer you to a link,

Why don't Seventh DAy Adventists eat pork or shellfish? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061120230248AAUzg8h)

And keep in mind, if you're allowed to disregard one doctrine and eat pork then by God's grace you're allowed to disregard another; go commit adultery as well as murder.

Did you know that the rules in the bible like Ten Commandments, golden rule, tithing, real day to keep the Sabbath; these are only the minimum of what you should do if you love God.

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
o Manasseh
o Ephraim
* Benjamin

Hope this will help: Point of Fact:
The mistake is not exceptional but to call a Levite a Jew is as inaccurate as it would be to call the Levite Moses a Jew, because it would be to say that the Bristish King is an American; or that President Bush is a Canadian. The lack of discrimination between the Jews and branches of Isreal.

One should remember at all times that Moses was not descended from Judah and was not, in any sense of the word, a Jew-- although he was Hebrew, an Israelite and a Levite. Exodus 6:16-17 emphasis Moses and Aaron are among sons of Levi.
:)

Ok, i'm Seventh-day Adventist and we are kosher like the Jews are, so unclean meats includes more than pork. Anyways, you have to love how certain people feel they've transcribed the bible so well when others didn't and some folks went to Theology Masters seminars to translate Hebrew. I will refer you to a link,

Why don't Seventh DAy Adventists eat pork or shellfish? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061120230248AAUzg8h)

and keep in mind, if you're allowed to disregard one doctrine and eat pork then by God's grace you're allowed to disregard another; go commit adultery as well as murder.

Did you know that the rules in the bible like Ten Commandments, golden rule, tithing, real day to keep the Sabbath; these are only the minimum of what you should do if you love God.
x,

YES! I agree! If you are going to keep the Law better keep them ALL... how are those sacrifices and burnt offerings going? OH! That's right.. you all don't do that part of the law! Tsk tsk guess that means you can "go commit adultery as well as murder". LOL

Yeah that is what I say if you want to follow one law you need to make sure all your clothes are 100% cotton 0R wool

Point of Fact:
Most Christians have been taught that the law has been superseded by the grace of God in Christ. We are no longer subject to any of the Mosaic statutes, theologaisn tell us, because they were all discarded with the advent of our Lord. Yet no theory could be further from the actual truth of the Bible.
Read carefully all New Testament references to the law as it is affected by the coming of Christ and every instance the context will show that only ecclesiastical ordinances---and no all them--were set aside by the installation of the new Christian order. And since we know that of the Sabbath, the Passover and tithing were retained by our Lord's disciples, it is clear that practically nothing was discarded except animal sacrifice and its attendant rituals and cermonial washing.
"He taketh away the first, that he may estabish the second. By the which will we sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all" Hebrews 10:9-10 Obviously no other offering was necessary after the supreme sacifice on Calvary. As Paul writes in Ephesians 2:14-16 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Bottom line, I choose to not eat Pork or other food items in Lev. My free will to do as my heart leads me. Following the light and the light is the law.

SND,
Good for you... gotta run I have bacon frying in the pan. :)

By the way... Levites are part of the nation of Israel and they followed JUDISM... therefore they were JEWS.

Bacon (not [fake] bits) are yummy on top of tater skins
And chicken and cheese sandwiches.

This to me says if it is eaten with a clear conscience then it is okay

14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions. 1 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables. 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him. 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord 2 is able to make him stand.

14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. 3 Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The 4 one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? 5 And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? 6 For we will all stand before the judgment seat 7 of God. 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.” 8 14:12 Therefore, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 9
Exhortation for the Strong not to Destroy the Weak

14:13 Therefore we must not pass judgment on one another, but rather determine never to place an obstacle or a trap before a brother or sister. 10 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean in itself; still, it is unclean to the one who considers it unclean. 14:15 For if your brother or sister 11 is distressed because of what you eat, 12 you are no longer walking in love. 13 Do not destroy by your food someone for whom Christ died. 14:16 Therefore do not let what you consider good 14 be spoken of as evil. 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not consist of food and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 14:18 For the one who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by people. 15

14:19 So then, let us pursue what makes for peace and for building up one another. 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. For although all things are clean, 16 it is wrong to cause anyone to stumble by what you eat. 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 17 14:22 The faith 18 you have, keep to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge himself by what he approves. 14:23 But the man who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not do so from faith, and whatever is not from faith is sin.

NOHELP-

EXACTLY and who wrote that?. PAUL and who was Paul talking to? US! (the church) it ain't rocket science but some like to make it harder than it is! I'd give you a greenie but it won't let me right now.

SND- ( I WILL get you back for the reddie) hee hee :)

Bacon (not [fake] bits) are yummy on top of tater skins
and chicken and cheese sandwiches.

This to me says if it is eaten with a clear conscience then it is okay

14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions. 1 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables. 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him. 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord 2 is able to make him stand.

14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. 3 Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The 4 one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? 5 And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? 6 For we will all stand before the judgment seat 7 of God. 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.” 8 14:12 Therefore, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 9
Exhortation for the Strong not to Destroy the Weak

14:13 Therefore we must not pass judgment on one another, but rather determine never to place an obstacle or a trap before a brother or sister. 10 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean in itself; still, it is unclean to the one who considers it unclean. 14:15 For if your brother or sister 11 is distressed because of what you eat, 12 you are no longer walking in love. 13 Do not destroy by your food someone for whom Christ died. 14:16 Therefore do not let what you consider good 14 be spoken of as evil. 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not consist of food and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 14:18 For the one who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by people. 15

14:19 So then, let us pursue what makes for peace and for building up one another. 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. For although all things are clean, 16 it is wrong to cause anyone to stumble by what you eat. 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 17 14:22 The faith 18 you have, keep to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge himself by what he approves. 14:23 But the man who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not do so from faith, and whatever is not from faith is sin.

Thank you Nohelp4u.. Perfectly straight and to the point. And these scriptures all example why Peter was told in Acts not to make unclean what God has declared clean. For the Gentiles conscience were different from Peter's.

If they were evil neighbors to be plucked out then why would they be plucked out?