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magprob
Mar 25, 2008, 10:22 AM
Why Isn't The Media Paying Attention To McCain's Creepy Pastor Buddy, John Hagee?
This guy makes Barak's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, look like the Easter Bunny

YouTube - TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA)

startover22
Mar 25, 2008, 10:46 AM
I just watch it...
So? Just kidding. Wow I had no idea about that, I need to follow just a little closer. He did say though that they don't agree on everything at the end...
Not saying I like seeing someone like that endorse him, but it is true.
Furthermore, you all know your stuff, much more than little ole me knows at least. But don't you think that the facination with disecting these people has gone out of control? Can we ever just stick to the issues that we need taken care of. Health care, feeding our hungry, economy? I mean I am not even sure I have seen one thing that has straight talk on any of these issues, no one has said what they are going to do, just what they want to do, or if they could do it... no real plans, you know? Also, they don't get to decide any way, they have to go through a million people to get their plans through. The b.s. in this video isn't what scares me, what scares me is that we have not in any election that I have been old enough to vote for, not one of them has impressed me. So what are we to do? Nothing? Is there any way out of this hell hole? Sorry, I am just scared to death and can't find my own way in this mess... thank you for letting me rant.
There has to be a way, a way to find a well rounded way of getting what we need in this country to survive. (without selling ourselves short of good values)

startover22
Mar 25, 2008, 10:48 AM
It is all just one big Gamble...

tomder55
Mar 25, 2008, 10:50 AM
Because Hagee is not "McCain's pastor " . McCain has not regularly attended his church and has not had a 20 year personal relationship with him. McCain did not sit through Hagee's sermons week after week ;he was not married by him and his children were not baptised by him. There is no comparison here.

McCain getting endorsed by Hagee is more in line with the Ron Paul endorsements that no one seemed to think were a big deal.

startover22
Mar 25, 2008, 10:55 AM
Tom, isn't that beside the point if he was endorsing him? Asking for information and wondering what makes all of you guys/gals think the way you do... not to piss you off!

Would you ask someone to endorse you that was like him?

EDIT::::::::
(I wouldn't dare)

BABRAM
Mar 25, 2008, 11:02 AM
Right on! Hagee and other armageddon bent overweight fatso's have also endorsed John McCain. McCain would be proud to have Hagee as his personal pastor, but he has to divvy up his time with other homophobes and anti-Catholic pastor's that also gave him a ringing endorsement. ;)

tomder55
Mar 25, 2008, 11:03 AM
When Ron Paul was running I pointed out that he had gotten the endorsement of a white supremist group . I was told that was not an indication of what Ron Paul believes.

I have no horse in this race except I think that McCain is heads above the Democrat choices. But I would not call myself a solid McCain supporter. I ultimately do not think McCain gets hurt by Hagee because this was just a political act whereas ;by Obama attending the parish that Rev Wright preached at for 20 years indicates that Obama is a believer in the segregationist philosophy of black liberation. He has not yet explained the inconsitency of that belief and his campaign message of unity .

speechlesstx
Mar 25, 2008, 02:03 PM
Besides the differences tom noted, McCain came out quickly and denounced any anti-Catholic sentiments that Hagee may have expressed. By the way, the charge Hagee's main critic, Phil Donohue, makes is that he calls the Catholic church ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’ His proof apparently is that because anti-Catholic Protestants have called the Catholic church 'The Great Whore' he knows that's what Hagee means (http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1400).


“Anti-Catholic Protestants have long labeled the Catholic Church ‘The Great Whore,’ and no amount of spin can change that reality. No one who knows anything about the term would suggest otherwise. Indeed, the Catholic League has a whole library of anti-Catholic books wherein such demonizing language is used. Moreover, just go to Yahoo and type in ‘The Great Whore’ and here is what you get.

Hagee's too far out there for me, but that kind of assumption is a little dishonest don't you think?

Steve

P.S. In the video you showed us Hagee does say 'the Great Whore' refers to the apostate church that began back in Genesis 10 and says nothing of it being the Roman Catholic Church. I don't recall the Catholic church dating that far back do you?

Skell
Mar 25, 2008, 03:29 PM
He has some sort of relationship with the man. He knows him. He knows what he stands for. He accepted and was honoured to have his endorsement. Why does it matter whether he has known him 5 years of 25 years? Be consistent.

You can't have it each way Tom and back out by saying you don't have a horse in the race. You do and it is clearly McCain and not Obama or Hillary.

McCain knew what this guy stood for before he accpeted his endorsement and if he didn't then he is too dumb a politician to be the President. Im just appying the same standards here that you guys do with Obama.

I think though that we should put aside the rantings of this religious whacko (they're everywhere over there aren't they?) and realise that he isn't running for president. That would be the logical thing for me to do. BUt it doesn't appear that logic wins out in the disgrace that is an amercian presidential campaign.

Fr_Chuck
Mar 25, 2008, 03:56 PM
First I guess it has been snce I hear it on talk radio all the time and the comparison, but in all of it, the issue has been that he does not go to his church, he does not have a pastor/member type relationship, in this it is only a sponsor or someone supporting him in the election.

Skell
Mar 25, 2008, 04:04 PM
So in order to be an American president you simply be the biggest "whore" you can and take on any old endorsement regardless of what that person says or believes in. He knows the man, he has a relationship with him. Why does it matter what sort of relationship it is. You can't have it each way as far as I'm concerned.

BABRAM
Mar 25, 2008, 04:11 PM
First I guess it has been snce I hear it on talk radio all the time and the comparison, but in all of it, the issue has been that he does not go to his church, he does not have a pastor/member type relationship, in this it is only a sponser or someone supporting him in the election.


Not just "only a sponsor or someone supporting him." Hagee was privileged to media and TV time on a national platform, that's how much John McCain wanted his buddy by his side. To put this in perspective, Obama never gave Wright that privilege. Never!

Galveston1
Mar 26, 2008, 02:14 PM
I have heard Hagee preach (TV) and lately I've heard some of Wrights rantings, and I think it's unfair to compare the two. Hagee is not anti-American, anti-black, or pro-Muslim. I have serious differences with him on some things, so this is not from a fan of his.

NeedKarma
Mar 26, 2008, 02:16 PM
Well Gal you must must not be a fan of much of this website - you'd be hard-pressed to find any posts that say anything positive about america or americans here. This place is filled with people who hate america.

Galveston1
Mar 26, 2008, 02:27 PM
Well Gal you must must not be a fan of much of this website - you'd be hard-pressed to find any posts that say anything positive about america or americans here. This place is filled with people who hate america.

I think you will get a lot of vehement denials. I, for one love my country, and that is just the reason that I get so angry with those Americans who seem to put the interests of everyone and everywhere before the USA.

tomder55
Mar 26, 2008, 04:01 PM
I have heard what Hagee has said about Catholics and perhaps being a Catholic myself I should show some rightious outrage and say he can't understand because it is a Catholic thingy. Franky ; perhaps my skin has thickened because bashing Catholics in our secular country is as American as apple pie. Hagee is the priduct of ignorance even though he is well versed on bible references. But any serious scholar knows that we were around long before Constantine. His comments expose his ignorance. He is no doubt one of these end times evangelicals who thinks that the Catholic church is one of the horseman of the Apocalypse.

What is the bigger insult ;being called an apostate by a televangelist with limited appeal or having a popular TV show's character lay down the ground rules and terms to the priest that her baby can be baptised into the Catholic faith ? No mention of satan or evil ;no mention of original sin etc.. . and have the priest agree to these terms because the Catholic church is so desperate to have more parishioners?
or having Dennis Miller scream out F...the priests ;they're weird . He never would disrespect rabbis that way on a national broadcast or dare I say Muslim clerics?. or Bill Mahr speaking of Communion saying Gotta take a cracker from the cracker . or The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in San Fran... a group of homosexuals dressed as nuns who regularly mock the Catholic faith.

There are so many more examples of it in popular culture that is not even fringe like the ones I've mentioned that are so ingrained that people hardly notice them . Whoopie Goldberg had at least 2 hit movies as a hip Vegas club singer who single handedly reformed an up tight convent. The cheapest laugh in Hollywood is to make a Catholic joke.

I would take a scriptural debate with him over the ridicule that the popular culture has about Catholicism any day. What is considered odd and unusual is when someone like Rudy Giuliani takes a stand against the tax payer funded display of the Virgin Mary in a dung heap surrounded by pornographic images.