In the beginning god created haven and the earth.
But where did he come from.

Amber - if I knew the right answer to this one, I'd be famous. God did not come from anything or anywhere - he has always been there and always will be there.

Yep. God is eternal, meaning He had no beginning and will have no end.

in the beginning god created haven and the earth.
but where did he come from.?
Amberlynn : that is part of the CHRISTIAN BELIEF
There is no objective supporting evidence for it. Either you believe it or you don't.
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God did not "come" from anywhere, he was always God. The idea of time is a man made creation.

God did not "come" from anywhere, he was always God. The idea of time is a man made creation.
Incorrect. Time is not a man-made creation. (Space) time is a dimension, like height, like width, like length. The ever-existence of God is belief-based. As a Christian you BELIEVE that God existed forever. What seems so wrong for you to confirm that you BELIEVE that?

See how nice it is to disagree in a nice manner

But I will disagree, even time and dimension is a "concept" this concept is defined by human understanding of it.
In the beginning time the idea of wave lenghts, speed of light and the such were not known, time was days, seasons and the such
Man as he progresses with knowledge redefines things as he sees them or believes them to be.

And yes, I may use the word faith since to you I "beleive" to me I "know" it since I wouild no more doubt that God exists since he is more real to me than you are, I have not seen you, heard you, touched you.
I merely reads wrtten on the computer that I have to have faith and beleve are from you. So from God, I have felt his spirit, I have seen his power and watched his miricles at work.

But I respect your non belief, belief is hard, it is much easer not to.

... But I will disagree, even time and dimension is a "concept" this concept is defined by human understanding of it ...
Again you are wrong on that. Time is a dimension, and does not require much human understanding. Time is - as previously stated - just a dimension as width, length, and height. We all KNOW what width, what length, what height, and what time is without having to conceptionalize any of these dimensions. Your argument suggests that one has to understand the specific scientific rules and explanations to know what time is. But that is not true.
Example : our very far ancestors already knew that even if they had (sufficient) food (width, length, height) TODAY, but ate everything, that the TOMORROW (i.e. the concept of time) they had to hunt again. They understood the concept of time without knowing the technicalities of time itself.
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As to my personal position : the existence of the four common dimensions has nothing to do with the spiritual feelings a person has. Religion (Christianity) is just one of many manifestations of spiritual feeling.
And of course you may BELIEVE anything you prefer. But without providing objective evidence for what you BELIEVE that remains BELIEF, while KNOWING requires a support other than BELIEF. For instance by providing objective evidence or logical argument.
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... Belief is hard, it is much easer not to.
Not true. It requires much personal strength and character not to hide behind a mythological deity to do "the right thing". Believing is much easier, as all you have to do is follow the claimed "instructions as provided by the deity".
A non-believer has to develop proper arguments as to moral and ethical values. The "golden rule" is of some help there, but that process is clearly more demanding than simply following religious claims.
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Thank you such ideas only show and support how weak the argument is from those that attack Christians. One attacks belief or accepting for one value, but when it is science, it has to be a fact because science says it is.
If I was no so sad, it would be funny

Thank you such ideas only show and support how weak the arguement is from those that attack Christians. One attacks beleif or accepting for one value, but when it is science, it has to be a fact because science says it is.
If i was no so sad, it would be funny
Incorrect :
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First of all there is no attack on Christianity at all. I just provide my views, my reaction to the topic. That you disagree with me is your prerogative.
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Secondly I am not attacking Christianity or belief in general. I wonder how you came to that conclusion.
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Thirdly : there is a clear difference between differing of opinion between spiritual concepts like religion and scientific support.
Spiritual concepts are unsupported ideas that lack any objective evidence. Differences are of course possible and to be expected.
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Scientific theories all carry scientific objective support. Any difference should be argued based on other (new) objective evidence that contradicts the current position.
There is no reason NOT to argue scientific theories, but that requires a valid reason to disprove the earlier provided objective evidence on which the theory is based.
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If i was no so sad, it would be funny
I have no idea why you are so sad, but the feeling is misplaced and most probably totally invalid.
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My trouble with this is a person with a question, comes to a christian thread to get a christain answer to their question, they do not go to the Islam board, to the atheist board, So they are wanting to know what Christians believe on a subject.

And several non Christians come in to either try and highjack the subject or they fill it with a lot of non christian material that is not addressing the issue as it is being asked.

If a person was asking in cooking, about cooking carrots and some person came in every time and talked nothing about how to cook the carrot but how bad carrots are, that you should not eat carrots, that poster would be deleted in minutes, As a trouble maker, there is no reason the same line of control should not be done in other thread areas.
There is a lot of extra give way allowed in some of the sites, but it is being aken advantage of.

You wrong, before God created heavens and He Have a place. Ask me I will tell you where

It doesn't mean He had no place before He created heavens and earth

There is a supporting event. You can Read it in the bible.

Where is God before he created heavens and earth. The answer is in the bible. Tell me what verse I will tell you thruogh email

Marvin - why not post your answer here for all of us to read and consider. Just because you think you know the answer - let us all decide if you are correct or not. Don't just presume that you know it all without any proof for all of us here to be able to read.

Comment by Marvin_082500 "it doesnt mean He had no place before He created heavens and earth"

Marvin, You should learn how to use the 'Rate this Answer' before making a comment.
The original question was where did God come from? I took this question to be the equivalent of where did God orginate or how did God orginate. Never did I say God didn't have a place before He created the heavens and earth. Isn't it obvious that He had a place before the creation of earth if He existed before the creation?

Why are you trying to be secretive with your very lacking responses? If you want to answer the question then answer it. People don't want to have to private message or email someone for an answer when the Christian board is wide open for the answer they're looking for without having to do that.

But I will disagree, even time and dimension is a "concept" this concept is defined by human understanding of it.

I'm just genuinely curious why the proper irony does not strike you that God also is defined by human understanding? Why has it never occurred to you that God might also have been created by man? I'm not calling you out as being wrong to believe what you do (although I most definitely think you are). I'm just wondering how or why this hasn't occurred to you?

In our world,our lives we have the mentally of something coming from somewhere or something having a origin.But God is all eternal so he was there before us thus having him not come from anywhere he was just there.But if you are still confused try your best to reach heaven God the Father will be there and I have no doubt at that time you will be ready for this powerful explanation from the lord himself.Isn't that worth dying for!

I think any religion gives people something to look to and get their faith from but I also believe that this is a choice each person makes for themselves and to judge people on their beliefs is wrong.
When you ask... where did God come? It a guestion that has stumped people for years I think Credendovidis nailed it on the head "Either you believe or you don't" I Need evidence so It's hard to believe the bible... (STEPHEN KING<DANIELLE STEELE<JOHN GRISHAM Have also wrote great books this doesn't make them true)Sorry but just like you I have a right to my views I don't look judge you on your views.

God did not "come" from anywhere, he was always God. The idea of time is a man made creation.

yeah, that`s right. in our holy book Koran, it says Allah (God) is always a god, he is the only greatest god, the merciful, didn`t born or have any sons or family, the greatest at all and he will never sleep or die. he is holding everything and control it. When he leaves someone in pain, it means he is testing him and know how much faithful is he, so Muslims in Iraq or Palestine who has been killed or hearted they are suffering but never give up , because Allah (God) said, their will be a day, with big war between Muslims and Christians against Jews to release Palestine, and every one in Israel knows that.
So god is unique never been like him and will never be like him

yeah, that`s right. in our holy book Koran, it says Allah (God) is always a god, he is the only greatest god, the merciful, didn`t born or have any sons or family, the greatest at all and he will never sleep or die. he is holding everything and control it. When he leaves someone in pain, it means he is testing him and know how much faithful is he, so Muslims in Iraq or Palestine who has been killed or hearted they are suffering but never give up , because Allah (God) said, their will be a day, with big war between Muslims and Christians against Jews to release Palestine, and every one in Israel knows that.
So god is unique never been like him and will never be like him

I don't intend for this to be sarcastic in any way but I am curious to know (that's assuming you know) why does your god need to bring about/allow war (which kills many innocent people) to "release Palestine"? I'd like to think there's at least one peaceful alternative and surely an all powerful god could figure it out :)

This is off the OP's original question so maybe you can email me your response?

in the beginning god created haven and the earth.
but where did he come from.?

Hi Amberlynn, you have received many good answers. I can just repeat the Christian view.
First of all, God was there in the beginning and will be there in the end because God is eternal.

Some people think that the universe was always here. There are two versions to this idea. Some believe the universe, an unintelligent thing existed from all eternity and has created itself. However, the beauty and design of the universe disproves this idea. Only an intelligent being could have created what we see.

Other people think that the universe itself is the eternal intelligent being which created itself. However, that is just another version of God. It isn't Christianity, but it still admits the existence of an all Wise and Divine Creator.

And then there are those who believe that the universe simply appeared out of nothing. But nothing is a concept which man developed. There is no such thing as nothing. Even the emptiness of space is filled with light beams and other forms of matter or energy which we can't see. And that means that something always existed. And that something is God. Because it took intelligence to create the ordered universe which we see today.

Sincerely,

De Maria

... The ever-existence of God is belief-based. As a Christian you BELIEVE that God existed forever. What seems so wrong for you to confirm that you BELIEVE that?

There is nothing wrong with my admitting I believe that God exists. But I believe that because I can prove it from logical inference.

Now, I can surmise that you use your own logic to infer that God does not exist. But if we compare the two syllogisms, I believe mine is superior to yours. And I believe reasonable people will come to the same conclusion as the majority of people have throughout the history of man. Because throughout the history of man, atheism has been the exception and not the rule.

Anyway, I'll be glad to continue this discussion when I return, God willing, in approximately 14 days.

Sincerely,

De Maria

And I believe reasonable people will come to the same conclusion as the majority of people have throughout the history of man.

1. You are making a 'weighting' error by using the 'entire' duration of human history and not considering both the sheer volume of people and the insufficient information which was available to the majority of people who have ever lived on this planet. Not that long ago, man didn't know why volcanoes erupted, tsunamis occurred, or even what caused thunder or disease. Of course, early man had a propensity for believing in gods. In fact, there were lots of gods once upon a time. Do you notice any trend? The number keeps dwindling. We are now down to just one god for most people.

2. There is a reason why an overwhelming majority of scientists and post graduates tend to be skeptics when it comes to things like gods, religions, astrology, etc. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of intelligent religious people. But the fact remains the more educated and reasonable a person is, the less likely he/she is to accept dogmatic teachings.

Obviously my trip has been delayed for several hours. So I'll participate a bit more.


1. You are making a 'weighting' error by using the 'entire' duration of human history and not considering both the sheer volume of people and the insufficient information which was available to the majority of people who have ever lived on this planet. Not that long ago, man didn't know why volcanoes erupted, tsunamis occurred, or even what caused thunder or disease. Of course, early man had a propensity for believing in gods. In fact, there were lots of gods once upon a time. Do you notice any trend? The number keeps dwindling. We are now down to just one god for most people.

You are obviously not aware of the Hindu. And there are many other Pagan religions in the world. And Paganism has been the prominent religion throughout the history of mankind. Even today, the sheer volume of people says that atheism is the minority in the world.
Adherents.com: Atheist Statistics | Agnostic (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html)

Atheism has never come close to being a majority in the world.



2. There is a reason why an overwhelming majority of scientists and post graduates tend to be skeptics when it comes to things like gods, religions, astrology, etc. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of intelligent religious people. But the fact remains the more educated and reasonable a person is, the less likely he/she is to accept dogmatic teachings.

Show me some stats or something. Because after I researched the subject, the number seems to be about 40/60 of scientists who claim to be atheist vs scientists who believe in God.
Why are Most Scientists Atheists If There is Evidence for Belief in God? (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_scientists_atheists.html)

But when you delve into the scientiests who claim to be atheists, they are actually agnostic. They admit that they don't really know whether God exists or not.

So, you are either making assumptions from what you believe to be true or you are believing the virulent anti-religious rants of people like Richard Dawkins.

Sincerely,

De Maria

You are obviously not aware of the Hindu. And there are many other Pagan religions in the world.

No, I'm very aware of Hinduism and other religions that worship multiple gods. That's why I specified 'most' people are now down to one god. Nevertheless, it was once the case where 'most' people believed in multiple gods. That clearly isn't the case anymore and the number has precipitously trended downward.


Atheism has never come close to being a majority in the world.

Nor would I expect it to be. Yet... Atheism IS on a tremendous rise however. It seems to go up as the need to postulate gods for unanswered questions goes down. Again, there is a direct correlation between the number of gods humanity has ever believed in, and knowledge. The more knowledge we have, the less reason there is to believe in gods. I'll repeat the number is now down to one for 'most' people.


Show me some stats or something.

~Sigh, if you insist I'll look it up. But I'm referring to members of The international academy of Science, where fully over 90% of the most respected scientists in the world consider themselves atheists. To be honest, I'm not even sure I have the name of this group right. If you won't take my word for it, I can look it up by the time you get back from your trip. You can also Google 'Harris poll' and 'theism' for stats on how belief in gods severely declines among people with advanced education or post graduate degrees.



But when you delve into the scientiests who claim to be atheists, they are actually agnostic. They admit that they don't really know whether God exists or not.

We've been through this before. You don't understand what the terms 'atheist' and 'agnostic' mean. I've told you that I myself am agnostic and you incorrectly charactorize me. The ONLY proper and intellectually honest position to hold is that of agnosticism! NO ONE can or should be 100% certain there is no god. Nevertheless, I do NOT consider myself to be a weak atheist! I'm as sure there is no such thing as god as I am that there are no such things as little green gremlins.