View Full Version : So what has Obama done ?
tomder55
Feb 13, 2008, 08:50 AM
A new bill that is co-sponsored by Barak Obama and Democrat Senators Maria Cantwell, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Lugar, Richard Durbin, Chuck Hagel and Robert Menendez will increase foreign aid by the United States to a level that the UN dictates . Sugar coating it with a name no one could object to ;"Global Poverty Act,"(S.2433) , it essentially brings United States aid to levels that the UN has dictated in it's "Millennium Project "goals.(0.7% of GNP)
Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, this amounts to $845 billion.
Does the US taxpayer gets the right to deduct from the contribution the cost of maintaining the global peace, maintaining and operating the GPS system and enforcing the UN armistice on the Korean Peninsula among others? I am sure the answer is, "no".
Obama has made his position clear . The candidate who will not wear an American flag on his lapel but allows his offices in Texas to fly banners of Che Guevara is taking his revolution global.
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 08:56 AM
You're an angry guy. :)
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 10:42 AM
You're an angry guy. :)
Me, too. It pi**es me off when liberal politicians whine about our interference in the affairs of sovereign nations - then try to give our sovereignty away.
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 11:01 AM
Two angry guys at all things liberal posting repeatedly their hatred on threads viewed usually by their four others friends. Good luck with that, sounds productive.
P.S. your own government of conservatives is pissing away your sovereignty, privacy and freedoms
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 11:22 AM
Lord knows there are certainly millions of people who need help and are dying of starvation and disease. In my mind that is a plus for Obama.
I don’t wear a flag either and would hate to think I would be judged harshly for that, and so far as not suppressing the free speech of his volunteers, that too I consider a plus.
talaniman
Feb 13, 2008, 11:26 AM
I think George has done far worse with our freedoms, liberties, and money, and has a lot less to show for it. Yeah I'm po'd too!
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 11:29 AM
Good luck with that, sounds productive.
Speaking of productive, I did the research - as a public service to help others make an educated decision of course :D
In the 109th Congress, 3 out of 66 public bills sponsored by Obama passed:
S.RES.291 : A resolution to congratulate the Chicago White Sox on winning the 2005 World Series Championship.
S.RES.516 : A resolution recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day and expressing the sense of the Senate that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and solving the challenges of the future.
S.RES.529 : A resolution designating July 13, 2006, as "National Summer Learning Day".
In the 110th Congress, 2 out of 63 public bills sponsored by Obama passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".
If folks don't believe me they can look it up for themselves (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/bills_res.html) in the official record. Just select the 109th or 100th congress, highlight Obama and click "search."
Granted, he did co-sponsor a number of bills and amendments - everything from honoring Martin Luther King, Jr, the African-American spiritual and Greek Independence Day to the failed "joint resolution to revise United States policy on Iraq."
However, the above is the grand total of successful Obama sponsored public bills thus far in his Senatorial career, and nearly all of his successful co-sponsored legislation is symbolic. I'm especially proud of his co-sponsoring legislation "honoring Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
Oh, and NK, you keep viewing our posts so I guess that makes 5 :D
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
There is something to show for it…we have had not had another 9/11's and Al Qaeda has lost favor in the eyes of many Muslims.
tomder55
Feb 13, 2008, 11:39 AM
DC you as well as I are more than free to donate any spare change we have left to any of many worthy causes. I do not think that our government should be giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. As mentioned we do not bill the UN for services already rendered . Nor does their calculations take into account private donations from individual Americans .
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 11:42 AM
Actually it was Obama's plan to keep a low profile in Congress. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.
As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped
Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).
There is more, but…
tomder55
Feb 13, 2008, 11:44 AM
Steve ; I'd say that was a pretty ambitious docket given all the campaigning he has done since he became a Senator.
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 11:47 AM
DC you as well as I are more than free to donate any spare change we have left to any of many worthy causes. I do not think that our government should be giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. As mentioned we do not bill the UN for services already rendered . Nor does their calculations take into account private donations from individual Americans .
I agree with all you say here Tom... but what I do wonder is if we are in fact giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. What I base that on is the fact we often disregard their wishes... Iraq is one example.
tomder55
Feb 13, 2008, 11:54 AM
Gee I thought we were complying with UN wishes in enforcing the number of resolutions they passed in over a decade regarding Iraq. They certainly did not complain when US and British Airmen risked their lives enforcing no-fly zones . They certainly don't mind the US fleet ensuring safe passage through the world's sea lanes.
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 12:08 PM
Tom
We do contribute 22% or more of their budget and the only other country anywhere near is Japan with 19%. Between the two, we rule. We are outvoted some of the time but it seems to me we pretty much only do what we want to do. I just don't see them forcing us to do anything we don't want to do.
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 12:10 PM
There is more, but…
No doubt, I already granted that much and he has been a busy guy. I just posted what he has been successful with so far and I think we need a president that did more than "keep a low profile in Congress" for three years. I actually like Obama, I just don't like the thought of his being president. But then again, I don't really like any of our choices that much.
tomder55
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19 PM
Bringing the issue back to Obama ; I saw this in American Thinker and I believe it to be generally correct.
Obama will be packaged as the Global Candidate to whom the world's poor and oppressed look for signs of hope for the future. His mixed race and varied national backgrounds symbolize his connectivity with peoples across the planet. The adulation felt for him beyond America offers the U.S. a chance for enhanced strength and repaired credibility worldwide. Sure, he's an American citizen, but he's also a global citizen, a man of the world.
The MSM will assert that the next president must not just lead the nation and the Western World, but he also must heal the international wounds caused by the Bush administration so that he can lead the world community to address serious global issues. As the MSM projects Obama as the Global President, they'll place before us, in print and on screen, individual people-of-color in Second and Third World countries endorsing him.
The MSM will tell us we need to more seriously consider who the international community wants in our Oval Office. That appeal will score with Americans who hunger to be told we're loved by others. Obama's speeches have already laid the foundation for the MSM's Global Candidate template. He tells his audiences that their support of him will not only change the nation, but change the world.
The collateral wing of the storyline will predict the world's profound disappointment if Obama loses in November. Americans will feel guilty if the world awakes the morning after the second Tuesday in November to a President McCain. And, we'll be told, the world will feel more frightened and distrustful of us than it already is. The MSM made a similar, but weaker, appeal in 2004 for John Kerry, particularly in reference to European countries. But Kerry was never close to the international rock star status that Obama has already attained.
Meanwhile, the MSM will make no effort to peel away the veneer of conceptual vapidity surrounding Obama's seductive oratory. They will not push him for clarity or details. Instead, they will be his campaign's de facto PR firm. Rather than probe his intentions, they'll focus on his emotional appeal made via ethereal notions of hope, compassion, love... (cue the inspirational muzak).
In short, the MSM will not require that Obama bring his intentions down from 60,000 feet to runway level. And, when people enter the polling booth to vote, with regard to Obama it won't be so much "What you see is what you get" as "We're not sure what we saw, or what we'll get, but it sure made us feel good." Sadly, for some, that will be enough.
American Thinker: Obama, The Global Candidate (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/obama_the_global_candidate.html)
Dark_crow
Feb 13, 2008, 12:21 PM
…but don’t like him relative to whom? What are the options? What are the actual differences between him and Mc Cain other than age and personality?
Choux
Feb 13, 2008, 01:01 PM
I saw Obama wearing an American flag in his lapel within the last month during a debate or television appearance.
I fell confident that the Che Guevara flag flying was a lie, too.
I'm reporting you to management for lying.
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 01:05 PM
Nah Choux, it happened, It was a small volunteer office. Nothing to fret about.
Choux
Feb 13, 2008, 01:16 PM
OH, thanks, NK, I can't swear he had a flag in his lapel, I just assumed it was a flag.
I can't even drop in occasionally on the political discussions... :)
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 01:39 PM
Nah Choux, it happened, It was a small volunteer office. Nothing to fret about.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston2.jpg
"A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." Che Guevara.
"If the nuclear missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City." Che Guevara.
"We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims... We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm." Che Guevara.
"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl! Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective and cold blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become…” Che Guevara.
"(T)o execute a man we don't need proof of his guilt. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. It's that simple." Che Guevara.
Fidel's executioner glorified in a campaign office is nothing to fret about?
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 01:43 PM
You are to laugh at. LOL!
Your tactics are juvenile.
Fr_Chuck
Feb 13, 2008, 01:47 PM
Yes, the news article on him and the cuban flag came out on Monday from my understanding, perosnally I would not put it past another democratic canidate from leaking it.
But it was all over talk radio and some of the political news coverage.
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 01:54 PM
…but don’t like him relative to whom? What are the options? What are the actual differences between him and Mc Cain other than age and personality?
The choice seems to be between a guy with an increasingly less conservative, but 82.3 percent lifetime ACU rating (http://www.acuratings.org/2006senate.htm), a guy with an 8.0 percent lifetime ACU rating and Hillary, with a 9.0 percent lifetime ACU rating. As a conservative it seems like a no-brainer even if I'm not all that happy with the choice.
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 02:07 PM
You are to laugh at. LOL!
Your tactics are juvenile.
Facts sure beat "more lies" or "you're an angry guy." :D
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 03:09 PM
Ok, let's play your little game. I'll assume those quotes are indeed from Che. It begs the question: so what?
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 03:35 PM
Ok, let's play your little game. I'll assume those quotes are indeed from Che. It begs the question: so what?
NK, what amazes me is you think it's a game. When I see Americans running around wearing Che T-shirts and images of Che in a campaign office of a presidential candidate I wonder why anyone would glorify this murderous thug.
The Cult of Che (http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/)
Fidel's Executioner (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={50C84DE3-56E9-44C4-B7E7-43305CB15405})
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 04:08 PM
Who's choice was it to hang the flag?
What values of Che does that person espouse (and would you know this answer)?
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
Who's choice was it to hang the flag?
What values of Che does that person espouse (and would you know this answer)?
I have already noted Obama had nothing to do with this, but National Review asks the question this way, "What does it say that among these Obama volunteers, none of them thought to say, "hey, fellas, you know, this guy ran show trials and executions... Is this really the image of 'change' we want to project to the electorate?"
If Obama chooses to open an official office there I bet he redecorates, but his response (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/02/12/on_reports_of_an_inappropriate.php) was rather mild wouldn't you say?
"The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."
As for "what values of Che does that person espouse," which one should they espouse?
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
It seems it was a lady in the picture. Since this is near your location have you tracked the person down and asked them directly their motivation behind hanging the flag?
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
Bringing the issue back to Obama ; I saw this in American Thinker and I believe it to be generally correct.
Did you catch this by Chris Matthews?
I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/chris-matthews-i-felt-t_n_86449.html). I mean, I don't have that too often.
LOL!
talaniman
Feb 13, 2008, 04:22 PM
I doubt Obama knew of the flag, and since he seems to be gaining momentum so fast, it's a wonder someone didn't start slinging mud earlier. Its an attempt to derail his progress, in my opinion. Lets face it we haven't seen this much enthusiasm with a presidential candidate since Reagon. The fact new voters are signing up is impressive, and will be a real problem for John McCain, if Hillary doesn't win big in TEXAS. I do mean big.
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 04:29 PM
since he seems to be gaining momentum so fast, its a wonder someone didn't start slinging mud earlierNever fear, our 'friends' in the Politics forum always have that covered. :D
speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2008, 05:10 PM
Never fear, our 'friends' in the Politics forum always have that covered. :D
I acknowledged Obama wasn't responsible for the flag. I acknowledged he's done more than the 5 successful bills he's passed and said I like the guy. Where's the mud?
tomder55
Feb 14, 2008, 03:25 AM
Slinging mud ? No I have to take a back seat to Clinton henchman Bob Kerry who raised the spectre of Obama's Muslim backround... or the Clintoon hacks who suggested that Obama was dealing drugs
NeedKarma
Feb 14, 2008, 04:09 AM
slinging mud ? no I have to take a back seat to Clinton henchman Bob Kerry who raised the spectre of Obama's Muslim backround....or the the Clintoon hacks who suggested that Obama was dealing drugsDo they post on this website? :rolleyes:
tomder55
Feb 14, 2008, 04:30 AM
No ; they take it national .
NeedKarma
Feb 14, 2008, 04:44 AM
I was referring to this website. I can't believe you couldn't figure that out.:(
Galveston1
Feb 14, 2008, 07:06 PM
Obama does read a teleprompter well!
It may be that those who do not live in this country take all this lightly, but to those of us who will have to put up with whoever gets elected, it is a very serious matter.
biggsie
Feb 14, 2008, 08:13 PM
I think it is AMAZING that Barak Obama -- has done as well as he has against The Clinton's
And Mc Cain is not someone I could vote for -- hard to decide which one deserves my vote
talaniman
Feb 14, 2008, 08:18 PM
Obama does read a teleprompter well!
It may be that those who do not live in this country take all this lightly, but to those of us who will have to put up with whoever gets elected, it is a very serious matter.
After the last 8 years of listening to George mangle the language, he is a refreshing change.
speechlesstx
Feb 15, 2008, 07:44 AM
After the last 8 years of listening to George mangle the language, he is a refreshing change.
Bush may mangle the language at times but at least what he says has some substance to it. I know what Obama is trying to sell us but still can't figure out what exactly he's trying to tell us. Some in the MSM are actually taking notice. Joe Klein of Time put it this way:
And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1710721,00.html) — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.
No Kidding? Paul Krugman of the NY Times actually wrote something I agree with. OK, it was mere two sentences but I digress...
"I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)... "
For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November.
Is that all this is, hero worship? Why are people voting for Obama?
tomder55
Feb 15, 2008, 08:01 AM
Al Sharpton is already threatening protest marches on the DNC if Obama isn't the nominee.
speechlesstx
Feb 15, 2008, 09:21 AM
Al Sharpton is already threatening protest marches on the DNC if Obama isn't the nominee.
Do we now have a rift between Sharpton and Julian Bond? Bond wants the delegates in Florida and Michigan seated:
In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond expressed "great concern at the prospect that million of voters in Michigan and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j3SsrXUFz9F4qVCx3zz9hMP0qKOwD8UP54N81)." Refusing to seat the states' delegations could remind voters of the "sordid history of racially discriminatory primaries," he said.
Sharpton is OK with "disenfranchising" those voters:
"I firmly believe that changing the rules now and seating delegates from Florida and Michigan at this point would not only violate the Democratic Party's rules of fairness, but also would be a grave injustice (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/14/sharpton_threatens_march_on_dnc/6476/)," Sharpton wrote.
Sharpton said his Harlem-based National Action Network is considering a march on DNC headquarters.
"This smacks of the same stuff we accused the Republicans of in Florida in 2000... changing the rules," he was quoted as saying.
Bond of course blames Republicans in Florida for the problem:
"It struck me as making the voters, including minority voters in Florida particularly, victims of the Republican legislature in Florida. I wanted to get Chairman Dean to find some way to rectify the situation."
tomder55
Feb 15, 2008, 09:37 AM
Bond is full of bull . On June 10, 2007, the Florida Democratic Central Committee voted unanimously to support the state's 29 January 2008 primary.
Is Bond a shill for Hillary ? Although the NAACP has not endorsed her it sure appears to me that he is doing her bidding .Sharpton is right regarding this rift . Here's hoping it gets ugly .
NeedKarma
Feb 15, 2008, 10:02 AM
Here's hoping it gets ugly .No one would be happier than yourself. :D
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speechlesstx
Feb 15, 2008, 10:13 AM
The Florida House, which included 42 Democrats last year, also passed the measure unanimously. I believe it passed the Florida Senate by 37-2. It sure looks like it could get very ugly. Speaking of ugl... the aspiring first laddie is scheduled to campaign in our city tomorrow. We plan on welcoming him with some global cooling :D
talaniman
Feb 15, 2008, 03:03 PM
Lol, speech, it cold in Dallas today so its got to be freezing in Amarillo, maybe some snow.
I think Obama is smart enough to articulate his policies, but sees no need at the moment.
speechlesstx
Feb 15, 2008, 03:28 PM
Lol, speech, it cold in Dallas today so its got to be freezing in Amarillo, maybe some snow.
I think Obama is smart enough to articulate his policies, but sees no need at the moment.
The plan is to greet Bill with a little snow and ice - or perhaps our global cooling will alter his schedule? :D
I have to hand it to Obama, why articulate policies when you're drawing such huge crowds? There may be a rat in all this though, even the Democratic Undergrounders took note ([URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4600084) of this:
Today a Connecticut radio host show host cites several instances of an occurrence that has become common during Obama events.
1-) Woman faints
2-) Obama pauses his speech to speak about fainting woman.
The Wall Street Journal speculates that this may be a staged act (sort of like the staged Rudy phone calls from Judy Nathan or the embarrassing "plant" on Hillary's events.
• Montecito, Calif. Sept. 8, 2007. "A woman standing in front of the stage appeared to faint as Obama spoke about Iraq," the Associated Press reported. "The candidate paused and asked the crowd to make way for firefighters. One supporter shouted, 'You're a good man,' leaving Obama momentarily at a loss for words. 'Well, I'm not the only one stopping to help her,' he said, sounding almost embarrassed."
• Madison, Wis. Oct. 22, 2007. "This excitement mirrored the aura in the room that grew throughout his speech," reported WISN-TV. "Before the senator arrived, students were tossing around an inflatable cow above the crowd. Three people fainted in the midst of all the enthusiasm."
• Hanover, N.H. Jan. 8, 2008. "Barack Obama's first and only rally on election day came to a sudden and lengthy stop when a young woman in the Dartmouth College gym fainted, and was eventually rolled off on a gurney by emergency medical technicians," the Los Angeles Times reported. "At first Obama half-narrated the episode, saying soothing things like, 'She's OK,' 'She's talking.' But the longer she lay on the floor, the quieter Obama got, standing on the podium, arms folded, looking worried as the medical crew worked." Minneapolis's WCCO-TV has video showing Obama handing a bottle of water to the Dartmouth damsel in distress.
• Hartford, Conn. Feb. 4, 2008. "And when a woman appeared to faint in the standing-only VIP section in front of the podium, Obama paused his speech for over a minute as he directed the crowd to make way for an EMT team and tossed a bottle of water from the stage," reported the Yale Daily News.
• Seattle, Feb. 8, 2008. "Climate change, the Iraq war and Obama tossing a bottle of water to a woman about to faint all received big cheers," MSNBC.com reported. "As Obama told the crowd to part so that the woman in question could leave and called for help, a young girl in the crowd shouted out, 'What a man!' The audience roared with laughter (although the press that has seen this happen before rolled its eyes)."
What exactly are we to make of this? A cynic might wonder if the whole thing isn't staged, given how often it happens and how well-honed and self-serving Obama's standard response seems to be...
talaniman
Feb 15, 2008, 04:03 PM
I never put any politician on a pedestal, just me, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was staged. But give him credit for doing the things he needs to do so far. As this progresses, it will get more interesting as we all want to know what the plan is. Got to admit, this is the best election I've seen. Obama/McCain, would be a great one.