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michealb
Feb 5, 2008, 12:54 PM
I'm the one true god. Can you prove me wrong? Would you risk your soul doubting me? If you can't prove me wrong, I'll be setting up a paypal account so you can start sending me 10% of your income.
Also to the person who is going to pray to me to win the lottery. I ran some tests and I found out you had to win 4 lotteries before you believed I was the true god and giving you 4 lotteries messed up my ultimate plan so you ended up not winning the lottery because it doesn't prove my point. So by the shear fact that you didn't win the lottery proves, I'm the one true god.
NeedKarma
Feb 5, 2008, 12:59 PM
Sorry Michael, the Great Flying Spagetti Monster has appeared before me and touched me in places that felt good. There is documented proof of his existence:
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michealb
Feb 5, 2008, 01:06 PM
The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster is a powerful being known by many names but he only wishs to temp you away from the truth.
NeedKarma
Feb 5, 2008, 01:21 PM
My wife also mentions that he is inside her. She now has a feeling of peace and wishes to have a cigarette.
michealb
Feb 5, 2008, 01:39 PM
I have given you free will and although I could take it from you and force you to believe. Your non-believe only hurts you in the long run and doesn't interfere with my ultimate goal.
I highly suggest though that you listen to Pascal's wager and believe that this is the true god that is speaking to you.
Wondergirl
Feb 5, 2008, 01:40 PM
I had heard the True God was a perfect speller and used good grammar and punctuation.
michealb
Feb 5, 2008, 01:50 PM
I speak all languages that have ever been or ever will be however in order for a plan to unfold properly things you see as errors are actually required when you see the larger picture.
Wondergirl
Feb 5, 2008, 01:55 PM
The True God is good with commas too.
michealb
Feb 5, 2008, 02:01 PM
Again you see them as errors but if you could see the larger picture. You would understand that it is written the way it needs to be written.
Wondergirl
Feb 5, 2008, 02:03 PM
Hallelujah!
michealb
Feb 6, 2008, 09:09 AM
Interesting that even with an outlandish claim, no one can absolutely prove the negative isn't it.
ineedhelpfast
Feb 6, 2008, 10:45 PM
What are you trying to prove or disprove?
michealb
Feb 7, 2008, 07:52 AM
The statement that I'm god. I use myself because well I'm a megalomaniac but it really could be anything or anyone. The augments for faith such as Pascal's wager could apply to any religion. I present this statement to see if anyone can give a logical answer to proving I'm not god. This should be particular interest to people of faith since I would think that the first step in proving your own god would be being able to absolutely disprove all others.
NeedKarma
Feb 7, 2008, 08:02 AM
Please show your Grace to me oh michaelb. I prayed to him and my boil is now gone. Praise be to Him.
firmbeliever
Feb 7, 2008, 12:47 PM
The statement that I'm god. I use myself because well I'm a megalomaniac but it really could be anything or anyone. The augments for faith such as Pascal's wager could apply to any religion. I present this statement to see if anyone can give a logical answer to proving I'm not god. This should be particular interest to people of faith since I would think that the first step in proving your own god would be being able to absolutely disprove all others.
"The One and Only.
"... the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
If you fit the above Criterion you could be God... if not, "I" don't think you are who you claim to be... :)
NeedKarma
Feb 7, 2008, 12:52 PM
I don't think he has to fit anyone else's criteria Firm. That's like saying Mohammed does not fit the criteria for Zeus so therefore Mohammed is a false god.
firmbeliever
Feb 7, 2008, 01:02 PM
I don't think he has to fit anyone else's criteria Firm. That's like saying Mohammed does not fit the criteria for Zeus so therefore Mohammed is a false god.
Hey NK,
Muhammad (pbuh)never claimed to be God nor do we believe him to be equal or the same to the Almighty.
He was a human being.
NeedKarma
Feb 7, 2008, 01:03 PM
So you have no god? Join the worship of michaelb!
firmbeliever
Feb 7, 2008, 01:11 PM
So you have no god? Join the worship of michaelb!
NK,
You are confusing me or yourself!:)
We never did worship a human being,Muhammad(pbuh) or any other Messenger or Prophet...
We worship the Almighty.
templelane
Feb 7, 2008, 01:12 PM
"The One and Only.
"... the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
How do you know that doesn't fit michealb's description? Have you met him?
Wondergirl- the lord michealb writes in the way that is meant to be written. Your English rules do not apply to a deity.
Let the commas be free and the people breathless!
NeedKarma
Feb 7, 2008, 01:13 PM
Sorry, I did not know the name of your god. "Almighty" is his name I guess.
firmbeliever
Feb 7, 2008, 01:20 PM
Sorry, I did not know the name of your god. "Almighty" is his name I guess.
It okay.
I usually try not to use the word "Allah" on these threads unless it is under Islam or the question is specific to Islam/Muslims.
I prefer to use the word the Almighty because I believe it to be an attribute of Allah.
templelane
Feb 7, 2008, 01:26 PM
*serious hat on*
Firm you should never be ashamed of professing your beliefs or naming your God.
*serious hat off*
I am not ashamed of professing my belief in michealb!
michealb
Feb 7, 2008, 01:29 PM
The One and Only. - There is definitely only one of me, so I fit the one and only.
... the Eternal, Absolute. - I have never known a time when I didn't exist and since that existence is outside of time and space it would be hard to prove me wrong.
He begets not, nor is He begotten. - As I am all powerful, I can I do anything I want.
And there is none like unto Him. - There might be some false gods pretending to have created the universe but how many have given you so much proof as to sit down and type out a conversation with you?
firmbeliever
Feb 7, 2008, 01:48 PM
The One and Only. - There is definitely only one of me, so I fit the one and only.
There maybe only one of you,but there are others who are human like you with features similar to yours.
... the Eternal, Absolute. - I have never known a time when I didn't exist and since that existence is outside of time and space it would be hard to prove me wrong.
You might have never known a time you did not exist but your parents and your grandparent etc knew a time when you did not exist.
He begets not, nor is He begotten. - As I am all powerful, I can I do anything I want.[QUOTE=michealb]
If you were an all powerful one,you will not need to be like the created beings,to have been born like a mortal or to be born of a mortal.
[QUOTE=michealb]And there is none like unto Him. - There might be some false gods pretending to have created the universe but how many have given you so much proof as to sit down and type out a conversation with you?
Lol... He wouldn't need to sit down or type out a conversation.
"There is nothing
Whatever like unto Him,
And He is the One
That hears and sees (all things)."
*serious hat on*
Firm you should never be ashamed of professing your beliefs or naming your God.
Never ashamed,just cautious and considerate... :)
templelane
Feb 7, 2008, 01:58 PM
Firm you are so nice- I try to be like you but I slip up a lot!
michealb
Feb 7, 2008, 02:15 PM
There maybe only one of you,but there are others who are human like you with features similar to yours.
You don't have proof that I'm human you only assume that based on your knowledge that you have learned on earth. Also is it not said that I crafted Adam in my own image so of course I look human or more accurately humans look like me.
You might have never known a time you did not exist but your parents and your grandparent etc knew a time when you did not exist.
They might know a time when this form didn't exist but as a being of unmeasurable power and abilities that really doesn't mean much does it.
If you were an all powerful one,you will not need to be like the created beings,to have been born like a mortal or to be born of a mortal.
Even the designer of the game plays without the cheat codes every once in a while.
Lol... He wouldn't need to sit down or type out a conversation.
No offense to your god but maybe if he did many more people would understand his message better.
littlebear91
Feb 7, 2008, 02:18 PM
Ni hao, c'est un trappe n'est pas? If u need money, try the bank or get a job. God is in every one of us. Though it wouldn't hurt to have you help religiously but I do not think that god don't use Paypal, it's too advance. Well, happy being true god. Amen.
michealb
Feb 7, 2008, 03:21 PM
Ni hao, c'est un trappe n'est pas? if u need money, try the bank or get a job. God is in each and every one of us. Though it wouldn't hurt to have you help religiously but I do not think that god don't use Paypal, it's too advance. Well, happy being true god. Amen.
To answer to your question no. For the part in english I don't need money but if your going to send your money to do gods work you might as well send it direct instead of through a third party. Paypal is for your convience not mine, I suppose I could have said to put the money in your cd-rom and I would still get it, however don't like to give absolute proof many people don't handle it well.
Galveston1
Feb 12, 2008, 07:03 PM
[
Lol... He wouldn't need to sit down or type out a conversation.
No offense to your god but maybe if he did many more people would understand his message better.[/QUOTE]
Guess what!! My God did write a Book. Apparently you haven't read it yet.
michealb
Feb 12, 2008, 07:20 PM
A series of stories that were written by men said to be inspired by god, then the church picked out certain stories that it liked and made them in to a book (the bible). Your god never once claims to put pen to paper or fingers to keyboard. He always had his words go through some person who may or may not have been hearing the voice of god. Since I am a god not a person claiming to hear god you can be sure that my words do indeed come from god(me) and not someone just claiming to hear god. First person accounts are statistically more accurate than third party retellings so statistically my version has a better chance at being correct since it is a first person account.
De Maria
Feb 12, 2008, 07:21 PM
I'm the one true god.
Nah. You're not.
Can you prove me wrong?
Yep.
Would you risk your soul doubting me?
No risk whatsoever. Cause you ain't God.
If you can't prove me wrong, I'll be setting up a paypal account so you can start sending me 10% of your income.
Rofl!! That is exactly my proof. I won't even try to prove you wrong. But since you ain't all powerful God, you won't be seeing a penny of my money!! Lol!!
Also to the person who is going to pray to me to win the lottery. I ran some tests and I found out you had to win 4 lotteries before you believed I was the true god and giving you 4 lotteries messed up my ultimate plan so you ended up not winning the lottery because it doesn't prove my point. So by the shear fact that you didn't win the lottery proves, I'm the one true god.
Lol!! That's another bit of proof.
1. All powerful God don't need money.
2. If you were God, you'd just win the lottery yourself and you wouldn't need to worry about scamming poor slobs out of 10% of their hard earned income.
michealb
Feb 12, 2008, 07:39 PM
De Maria,
As I have already said I don't need the money. I simply will take it and put it to better use than when you send 10% of your money to some church. If you don't give any money to a church don't worry about it. You are free to worship me at no cost. In fact as a token of my good will you will find a small sum of money shortly(shortly is of course relative since I'm an eternal being) and although I know you won't give me credit for it when you get it. I still would like you to have it as a token of my good intentions and my hope that when I meet you upon your death that you won't still cling to your beliefs.
De Maria
Feb 12, 2008, 08:05 PM
De Maria,
As I have already said I don't need the money.
And as I already said, you won't get it whether you need it or not.
I simply will take it
No you won't.
and put it to better use than when you send 10% of your money to some church. If you don't give any money to a church don't worry about it. You are free to worship me at no cost.
I wouldn't worship you even if you promised me the world.
Matthew 4 10 Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.
In fact as a token of my good will you will find a small sum of money shortly(shortly is of course relative since I'm an eternal being) and although I know you won't give me credit for it when you get it. I still would like you to have it as a token of my good intentions and my hope that when I meet you upon your death that you won't still cling to your beliefs.
Unfortunately, if you cling to your beliefs, I don't think we'll be meeting in the after life. I intend to be united to the one True God in the company of the just made perfect.
NeedKarma
Feb 12, 2008, 08:10 PM
1. All powerful God don't need money.
2. If you were God, you'd just win the lottery yourself and you wouldn't need to worry about scamming poor slobs out of 10% of their hard earned income.Liar liar pants on fire. Christians do give out their hard earned money to their religion.
What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? (http://www.gotquestions.org/tithing-Christian.html)
The New Testament nowhere assigns a certain percentage of income to set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). The Christian church has essentially taken the 10% figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. Although the New Testament does not identify a specific amount or percentage to give, it does talk about the importance and benefits of giving. They should give as they are able, “in keeping with his income.” Sometimes that means giving more than a tithe, sometime that may mean giving less than a tithe. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom as to whether to participate in tithing and/or for how much he or she should give (James 1:5). “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
De Maria
Feb 12, 2008, 08:56 PM
Liar liar pants on fire. Christians do give out their hard earned money to their religion.
What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? (http://www.gotquestions.org/tithing-Christian.html)
Touche' :)
michealb
Feb 12, 2008, 09:55 PM
Unfortunately, if you cling to your beliefs, I don't think we'll be meeting in the after life. I intend to be united to the one True God in the company of the just made perfect.
How can you be so certain that I'm not the one true god? Do you have any evidence to prove otherwise? I'm god I don't have to prove myself but I will tell you why your proof is wrong. How about you invite your god to defend himself and we will settle this once and for all. If he shows up I'll concede.
De Maria
Feb 13, 2008, 05:13 PM
How can you be so certain that I'm not the one true god? Do you have any evidence to prove otherwise? I'm god I don't have to prove myself but I will tell you why your proof is wrong. How about you invite your god to defend himself and we will settle this once and for all. If he shows up I'll concede.
You want to tempt God, be my guest. But not me:
Matt 4:7... : It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
NeedKarma
Feb 13, 2008, 06:07 PM
Matt 4:7 ...: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Or what?
De Maria
Feb 13, 2008, 06:47 PM
Or what?
I imagine you'll find out in the end.
michealb
Feb 13, 2008, 06:55 PM
It really depends on what you tempt me with.
Galveston1
Feb 18, 2008, 07:48 PM
You think you have it figured out. I think I have it figured out. You have convinced me! I am ready to give you all the respect and honor that I would give to --umm--Jim Jones or maybe David Koresh.
inthebox
Feb 18, 2008, 08:26 PM
MichaelB,
Can I prove that your not god? Sure... but I honestly do not want you to try this, because I take your question as a joke, :D
You Tube yourself getting crucified, as described in the Bible, have a confirmation that you are legally dead, then in 3 days rise from the dead. You don't have to take away anyone's sins, because the one true God has already done that.
Oh, for extra points, you have to be born of a Virgin.
NeedKarma
Feb 19, 2008, 02:04 AM
MichaelB,
Can I prove that your not god? sure... but I honestly do not want you to try this, because I take your question as a joke, :D
You Tube yourself getting crucified, as described in the Bible, have a confirmation that you are legally dead, then in 3 days rise from the dead. You don't have to take away anyone's sins, because the one true God has already done that.
Oh, for extra points, you have to be born of a Virgin.All hearsay.
Capuchin
Feb 19, 2008, 02:19 AM
You Tube yourself getting crucified, as described in the Bible, have a confirmation that you are legally dead, then in 3 days rise from the dead. You don't have to take away anyone's sins, because the one true God has already done that.
Oh, for extra points, you have to be born of a Virgin.
No God that I've heard of has ever youtubed himself being crucified, how dare you hold michaelb to a higher standard than your false gods.
NeedKarma
Feb 19, 2008, 02:30 AM
You Tube yourself getting crucified, as described in the Bible,...I provided YouTube proof of my god in the second post of this thread: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religious-discussions/think-ive-got-figured-out-180657.html#post865411
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 07:21 AM
You Tube yourself getting crucified, as described in the Bible, have a confirmation that you are legally dead, then in 3 days rise from the dead. You don't have to take away anyone's sins, because the one true God has already done that.
Oh, for extra points, you have to be born of a Virgin.
I don't believe that you believe that your god did those things either. Why though would you need some person two thousand years ago to tell you something when I'm right here telling you. Regardless, your personal believes makes no difference in who I am. You could believe that someone is a fish but that doesn't make him a fish. 3 billion of you could believe a person is a fish, but you would all still drown when you enter the ocean.
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 07:43 AM
You think you have it figured out. I think I have it figured out. You have convinced me!! I am ready to give you all the respect and honor that I would give to --umm--Jim Jones or maybe David Koresh.
Both of those men believed that were serving a god when they did what they did. I have no need for such cults. If I would have desired one I would have created one. This Q&A is for your benefit
Galveston1
Feb 19, 2008, 06:44 PM
Oh, well. Time will tell, won't it.
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 06:51 PM
I speak all languages that have ever been or ever will be however in order for a plan to unfold properly things you see as errors are actually required when you see the larger picture.
You speak all languages? Gutten tag, wie geht es dir?:)
I do admit your grammar is emmaculate, so far;)
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 07:07 PM
Gutten tag, wie geht es dir?:)
Ich bin gut, vielen Dank.
Ich schreibe die Wegedinge müssen geschrieben werden.
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 08:29 PM
Yikes, thought I had you there. I only speak english and german so I can't test you further. How did you get the umlaut over the u? Aufwiedersehn.
NeedKarma
Feb 19, 2008, 08:39 PM
Altenweg,
It's all about the ascii codes: Ascii Table - ASCII character codes and html, octal, hex and decimal chart conversion (http://www.asciitable.com/)
The u with umlaut is alt-129 --> ü
Michaelb: As-tu reçu mon argent? Je t'ai envoyé tous ce que j'ai dans mon compte d'épargne.
I will be saved.
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 08:43 PM
Thanks, I'll try that, I usually just add an e while typing. Do I need to decode your message to michaelb or are you going to share?
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 08:48 PM
Votre argent a été reçu, je vous remercie. :)
Alrenweg,
You can also use character map. It comes with windows. Go to start, programs, accessories, system tools, character map.
NeedKarma
Feb 19, 2008, 08:49 PM
I'm assuming his godliness knows exactly what I wrote... or he's busy at Babelfish. :D
NeedKarma
Feb 19, 2008, 08:51 PM
Dear Lord it is you!
I bow and say goodnight.
cal823
Feb 19, 2008, 08:54 PM
Be warned! This "michaelb" is not god, he is a fallen noodly appendage, who is trying to tempt you away from the great spaghetti monsters noodly embrace! Ramen!
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 08:58 PM
Babelfish would explain my bad grammar, If only they translated english to god better.
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 09:00 PM
Votre argent a été reçu, je vous remercie. :)
Alrenweg,
You can also use character map. It comes with windows. Go to start, programs, accessories, system tools, character map.
Ha, got you, it's Altenweg not Alrenweg, whew you had me going there for a minute.:p And as you obviously read german you should know what Altenweg stands for, although I'm not making a statement with it, it's my last name.:o
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 09:05 PM
be warned! this "michaelb" is not god, he is a fallen noodly appendage, who is trying to tempt you away from the great spaghetti monsters noodly embrace! ramen!
I have heard this story, the noodled one did name one of his appendages "michaelb" but that is not me for I am "michealb". The noodled one did this to sway you from the truth that is me.
inthebox
Feb 19, 2008, 09:08 PM
Ahh, what kind of god are you Michael B? And your followers defend you. Ha ha ha.
Go ahead, you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
SERIOUSLY, don't try it. I don't want you to hurt yourself. Your op is a joke.
;)
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 09:14 PM
MichaelB- I'm still waiting for my answer or are you looking it up on the internet and that's why it's taking so long to get back to me. I realize that as a supposed God you are extremely busy but this lowly servant is waiting for an answer. Can you hear my foot tapping?
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 09:22 PM
Ahh, what kind of god are you Michael B? And your followers defend you. Ha ha ha.
Go ahead, you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
SERIOUSLY, don't try it. I don't want you to hurt yourself. Your op is a joke.
;)
/god mode off
Of course it's a joke. This is an exercise on how to disprove the negative. The point is that regardless of how outlandish the claim is you can't 100% disprove a negative claim. It gives Christians the chance to be on the other side of the debate of trying to disprove a god for a change. If we continue to debate back and forth on the same topic we won't get any where but if we change sides maybe some insight might be made.
/god mode on
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 09:40 PM
MichaelB- I'm still waiting for my answer or are you looking it up on the internet and that's why it's taking so long to get back to me. I realize that as a supposed God you are extremely busy but this lowly servant is waiting for an answer. Can you hear my foot tapping?
You misspell my name I misspell yours. I'm god I'm can be vengeful. You never actually asked a question other than if I can hear your foot tapping. Though if you meant to ask me what your name means. There are many references to that name. Your family is from the four valleys area of Germany(Altenweg, Spriegelsbach, Schildwende and Jostal). Now known as Titisee, Germany. The literal translation to english though is "old way".
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 09:44 PM
Sorry about the misspelling, but I'm not the one claiming to be God am I?;) I'm originally from Weikersheim, I was born in Rothenburg ob der Tauber (a very touristy town) which is only 1/2 hour away from where I lived. I moved to Canada when I was almost 4 years old. Altenweg is my married name, which is funny, my husband doesn't speak a work of german. It can also mean old path. Don't be vengeful, I'm still hoping to win the lottery, Please?:o
jillianleab
Feb 19, 2008, 09:56 PM
Where can I get "WWMBD" jewelry?
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 09:56 PM
Sorry about the misspelling, but I'm not the one claiming to be God am I?;) I'm originally from Weikersheim, I was born in Rothenburg ob der Tauber (a very touristy town) which is only 1/2 hour away from where I lived. I moved to Canada when I was almost 4 years old. Altenweg is my married name, which is funny, my husband doesn't speak a work of german. It can also mean old path. Don't be vengeful, I'm still hoping to win the lottery, Please?:o
Way and path are similar. As god I can't prove it to you 100% I can only tell you why your reason that I'm not god is wrong. I have to leave you room for faith. I'm afraid the human form can't handle 100% truth of god limitation of being human, sorry.
Alty
Feb 19, 2008, 10:02 PM
Okay, okay, what about my lottery winnings, let's talk about that. I will agree to believe in you 75% for 2 million dollars in lotto winnings, the higher the winnings the larger the percent. Humans know how to negotiate.
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 10:24 PM
Okay, okay, what about my lottery winnings, let's talk about that. I will agree to believe in you 75% for 2 million dollars in lotto winnings, the higher the winnings the larger the percent. Humans know how to negotiate.
Sorry Altenweg,
You winning the lottery would change too much and affect the ultimate outcome. The world is like one large rube goldberg machine with an ultimate conclusion. I could give you the winnings but you wouldn't be you anymore because I would have to change a major component.
magprob
Feb 19, 2008, 10:29 PM
Dervienerschlicker is inst der glooven boxen. Ist that der bonhoff? Nix, nix, dats der belly button!
michealb
Feb 19, 2008, 10:29 PM
Gernald,
Rumpelstiltskin :)
Galveston1
Feb 20, 2008, 02:43 PM
All along I have said that Atheism is a religion, with SELF being the deity. I think you have made my point.
michealb
Feb 20, 2008, 04:19 PM
All along I have said that Atheism is a religion, with SELF being the diety. I think you have made my point.
And that's proof I'm not god how? I'm afraid I'm going to have to smite you for your non-belief. Smite.. smite.. smite how shall I smite thee? Hmm... ah I have it now. You won't know when you won't know what but some time something bad will happen and you will wonder why that it happened and then you will know that you have been smote.
NeedKarma
Feb 20, 2008, 04:45 PM
Hey Gal,
Ya I like me. You don't like yourself? Pity.
Galveston1
Feb 21, 2008, 03:45 PM
Actually, this little exercise had been informative. Before these posts, I've had little opportunity to explore the Atheist mindset. Michealb has shown just how difficult is is to disprove his claim, and this with absoutely no proof of his claim. Actually, anyone making such a claim has the obligation to prove that claim, rather than others having to disprove it. Yaweh has proven His claim many times, and so as proved by Michealb, it is impossible for Atheists to prove that Yaweh is not The Almighty. Nice work!
Now as to the claim that Atheists have no religious beliefs, that is, as Mr. Spock would say, highly illogicial. I have seen that claim made in these posts, so let's examine it logically. If you say "I do not believe there is a god", that is a negative statement, and must be interpreted as, "I BELIEVE there is no god". A statement of your faith. But if you say you believe nothing, then your statement becomes, "I do not BELIEVE [there is no god]", a double negative that then becomes a positive BELIEF. And you thought you didn't have faith!
NeedKarma
Feb 21, 2008, 03:59 PM
Ok Galveston, if that's what you want to believe about us that's perfectly OK. Doesn't matter to me in the slightest. Have a great day!
michealb
Feb 21, 2008, 05:04 PM
Actually, this little exercise had been informative. Before these posts, I've had little opportunity to explore the Atheist mindset. Michealb has shown just how difficult is is to disprove his claim, and this with absoutely no proof of his claim. Actually, anyone making such a claim has the obligation to prove that claim, rather than others having to disprove it. Yaweh has proven His claim many times, and so as proved by Michealb, it is impossible for Atheists to prove that Yaweh is not The Almighty. Nice work!
You're right, the question comes down to how much proof must an all powerful being give to be accepted as an all powerful being? The problem as I see it is the bigger your claim the bigger your evidence needs to be. I would have no problem believing in an all powerful being if I was provided with proof. Since the being is all powerful he should know exactly what would be required for me to accept that proof and if he really cared if I worshipped him, he would provide it. I just haven't seen anything that Yahweh has provided as proof that couldn't been faked or simply lied about.
Alty
Feb 22, 2008, 08:18 AM
Hey MB, how are things in Goddom today? I see you still have allot of people questioning your claim. I myself have decided to bow down to coffee today, oh coffee, great coffee, juice of alertness and full bladder. May you never stop brewing great coffee.
Galveston1
Feb 25, 2008, 03:16 PM
The Almighty has provided us a Book. Skeptics and Atheists have tried for centuries, if not millineia to prove that prophecies were written after the fact, but have never made a case for that. There is internal evidence that indicates when various parts were written. If you want to pursue this for your own benefit, there has been a large amount of work dedicated to that very purpose. (examination of internal evidence) The stakes are too high not to at least look at the evidence.
michealb
Feb 25, 2008, 04:11 PM
The Almighty has provided us a Book. Skeptics and Atheists have tried for centuries, if not millineia to prove that prophecies were written after the fact, but have never made a case for that. There is internal evidence that indicates when various parts were written. If you want to pursue this for your own benefit, there has been a large amount of work dedicated to that very purpose. (examination of internal evidence) The stakes are too high not to at least look at the evidence.
Your right. There is internal evidence that indicates that I might be god. For your own benefit you should at least pursue the idea that I might be god. The stakes are too high for you not to at least look at the evidence. You should also investigate every other god that ever existed for the cost is very high if you worship the wrong god. Sounds like you have a very busy life ahead of you. It would be a pity if you searched your entire life for god and missed out on the one life you are certain you have.
NeedKarma
Feb 25, 2008, 04:21 PM
I agree michaelb, the stakes indeed too high. I am currently working through this list: List of deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities)
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 12:39 PM
Gal- you need to relax, this is just a joke and a way to spark some interesting conversation.
More coffee for me. Oh great coffee I worship the ground from which you come.
Capuchin
Feb 26, 2008, 12:41 PM
How did you come to the conclusion that it was a joke?
NeedKarma
Feb 26, 2008, 12:53 PM
I received michaelb's sacred texts yesterday. I will based my life around my interpretation of them.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 12:59 PM
/god mode off
Of course it's a joke. This is an exercise on how to disprove the negative. The point is that regardless of how outlandish the claim is you can't 100% disprove a negative claim. It gives Christians the chance to be on the other side of the debate of trying to disprove a god for a change. If we continue to debate back and forth on the same topic we won't get any where but if we change sides maybe some insight might be made.
/god mode on
Cappuchin- Are you kidding? Do you actually think that MechealB believes he is God? Well, read above and lighten up.
templelane
Feb 26, 2008, 02:52 PM
Lol Altenweg I think you just got a dose of British humour off Capuchin.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 03:04 PM
You just never know how serious some people are, do you?:)
Galveston1
Feb 26, 2008, 04:03 PM
Lightening UP
Is that better?
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 04:26 PM
I can't tell, now you're so light that I can barely see you. Maybe you should brighten up a bit.:p
Sorry if I was a bit snappy before, I have a chest cold and I'm taking medication. I'm stuffy, grumpy and coughing all over the place. Every muscle in my body hurts. I'm not exactly a ray of sunshine right now. Maybe I need a nap.;)
Where is our self professed God today? Hey MB are you playing golf with the real God or have you given up trying to convince us that you are God?
Later Dudes, I'm going to get some more meds.
michealb
Feb 26, 2008, 05:13 PM
I'm around but as god, I'm always around. I just only answer when I feel the need too.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 05:19 PM
Hey MB- Do you think that you could get rid of this chest cold for me, it's now moved into my head as well. I realize that I'm not exactly high on the list of priorities, but I'd really like to be able to, oh, walk around, maybe even eat something, without every part of my body hurting. Heck, I pulled my groin muscle when I was walking up the stairs. Talk about adding insult to injury. Any help in this area would be welcome, otherwise I might be cursing you tomorrow, especially if it gets any worse.
I'll gladly give you 10% of my earnings if you deliver on this tiny request. By the way, did I mention that I'm a Domestic Engineer?
Patiently waiting to be healed.
Altenweg
michealb
Feb 26, 2008, 05:43 PM
That I can do. By my grace your cold and pulled muscle will be healed 7 days sooner.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 06:25 PM
Ooh, sneaky, I actually started throwing up now and thought that you were sending me a very clear "NO! In fact I'm going to make it worse." That wasn't you right?
I would have gotten back to you sooner but I was wiping puke from my mouth and getting in trouble on two of my other posts. No good deed goes unpunished.
inthebox
Feb 26, 2008, 07:35 PM
Michaelb
Why don't you tell us about yourself?
Like what is right and what is wrong, what pisses you off and what you will do about it, what pleases you and what you will do in that situation.
NeedKarma
Feb 26, 2008, 08:02 PM
inthebox,
Michaelb doesn't have to answer to you. You need to worship him.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 08:07 PM
The only thing I'm worshipping right now is the porcelain God. Ugh, being sick sucks. All hail MB.
NeedKarma
Feb 26, 2008, 08:13 PM
That's no way to lose weight. Take it from me, when it's all over you are so relived to have your energy back that the world seems like a beautiful place once again... unless you're in the middle of the storm we're expecting out east.
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 08:29 PM
Losing weight is the last thing on my mind. Storm, what storm? Great, you're out of comition (okay, how do you spell it, spell check keeps binging me) for a few days and the fit hits the shan. I better go nail the windows shut, the fun never ends.
cal823
Feb 26, 2008, 09:17 PM
Storm? What storm? There's a storm coming? MichaelB! Please save us from the storm! We beg off you, save us from this cataclysmic hurricane that karma has prophesied!
Alty
Feb 26, 2008, 09:29 PM
On second thought, bring on the storm, I'm pissy enough that I could probably take it on and win. Wait, who am I kidding, I can't even convince people that teens shouldn't have babies (sorry, tangent, I'll stop now).
If this is a snow storm I am going to be very grumpy tomorrow, I can see a corner of my dead grass right now and I'm quite happy about it. Don't mess with the grass.
Hey MB, I told a friend of mine that you profess to be God, she told me to tell you that you're silly, everyone knows God's a woman.
Galveston1
Feb 29, 2008, 07:55 PM
Ooh, sneaky, I actually started throwing up now and thought that you were sending me a very clear "NO! In fact I'm going to make it worse." That wasn't you right?
I would have gotten back to you sooner but I was wiping puke from my mouth and getting in trouble on two of my other posts. No good deed goes unpunished.
Oooh! Been there, done that! You have my deepest sympathy. Especially as you can't get this inefficient god to do a darn thing. (hope you're feelin' better now)
michealb
Feb 29, 2008, 08:00 PM
Oooh! Been there, done that! You have my deepest sympathy. Especially as you can't get this inefficient god to do a darn thing. (hope you're feelin' better now)
Praying to me to get over the flu is at least as effective as praying to any other god.
Alty
Mar 1, 2008, 12:30 PM
I'm feeling better today, but I'm not giving MB the credit. Tylenol cold you are a God send. Now my hubby's sick and whiny. I'm going to Starbucks for a break.
firmbeliever
Mar 1, 2008, 12:46 PM
michealb,
I have a request...
Would you please contact me after your mortal body dies?
michealb
Mar 1, 2008, 01:15 PM
Firmbeliever,
That request would fall under the absolute proof that I can not give you in your mortal form. As I have said I can not give you 100% proof of my divinity because the human mind can't handle it. You need to have faith and doubt as buffer other wise my greatness would overwhelm you and you would not longer be who you are.
NeedKarma
Mar 1, 2008, 01:27 PM
I needed $40 for gas for my car yesterday. My pockets and wallet were empty. I asked michealb to help me out and 40 seconds later $50 appeared in my pocket. Praise be to michealb.
love is abby
Mar 1, 2008, 01:31 PM
Your not the true god, but you might be crazy. (no offense)
michealb
Mar 1, 2008, 04:21 PM
I'm feeling better today, but I'm not giving MB the credit.
It's okay, if I would have wanted credit for everything I have done. I would have made sure I signed my work.
jennyrena
Mar 1, 2008, 04:31 PM
You have done fell and bumped yall's heads. Lol
michealb
Mar 1, 2008, 04:41 PM
your not the true god, but you might be crazy. (no offense)
Are you 100% sure I'm not and if so how can you be 100% sure? If your not 100% sure shouldn't you worship me just in case I am god. If you worship me and I am god well then you have won everything. If you don't worship me and I am god then you have lost everything.
N0help4u
Mar 1, 2008, 05:41 PM
I HAVE a reuben sandwich with the image of the Holy Spirit going cheap.
If you don't buy it then I don't buy your scam, err I mean scheme either! :D
NeedKarma
Mar 1, 2008, 06:04 PM
I feel the same way about the Jesus scam! LOL! :)
firmbeliever
Mar 1, 2008, 11:23 PM
Are you 100% sure I'm not and if so how can you be 100% sure? If your not 100% sure shouldn't you worship me just in case I am god. If you worship me and I am god well then you have won everything. If you don't worship me and I am god then you have lost everything.
I am 100% sure you are not god.For one thing you are human.:)
I will never worship you and there is nothing you can do about it!
I would rather lose everything in this world than worship/bow down to another human.
Firmbeliever,
That request would fall under the absolute proof that I can not give you in your mortal form. As I have said I can not give you 100% proof of my divinity because the human mind can't handle it. You need to have faith and doubt as buffer other wise my greatness would overwhelm you and you would not longer be who you are.
Though I may have made the request in jest, it is seriously something I think about.
If any of you were able to come back to me after death to tell me I was wrong in my belief,now that would be something.
For I know the truth and stand by it for all your rejection of it makes not a dent in my belief.:)
michealb
Mar 2, 2008, 09:21 AM
You only think I'm human, you can't be sure. Just because everything you know states that I'm just a human sitting at a keyboard doesn't mean I am. I might look human and sound human but those things can be deceiving of what lies just under the surface. Why risk your soul when what I ask for costs you nothing?
N0help4u
Mar 2, 2008, 09:30 AM
Be careful
You know what the Bible says about the antichrist coming in the last day
You just might convince me of that point! :)
michealb
Mar 2, 2008, 09:49 AM
I am god I know how the world is going to end and trust me you don't have to worry about. Even when the end is near the human race will know and will not fear it.
N0help4u
Mar 2, 2008, 09:57 AM
I would love to hear how you "believe" the world is going to end.
Waiting... can't wait... :D
N0help4u
Mar 2, 2008, 11:52 AM
I find it more disturbing that a mod is essentially threatening to 'out' a member simply due to a different religious belief.
Yeah I'd say different religion...
I HAVE seen worse things here that need reported to authorities but this site is for peoples problems to be handled rather anonymously... so Fr_Chuck I am sure knowing this I am sure was jk.
firmbeliever
Mar 2, 2008, 12:01 PM
You only think I'm human, you can't be sure. Just because everything you know states that I'm just a human sitting at a keyboard doesn't mean I am. I might look human and sound human but those things can be deceiving of what lies just under the surface. Why risk your soul when what I ask for costs you nothing?
It costs me a lot more than you can ever imagine...
Allheart
Mar 2, 2008, 02:54 PM
just wondering why it's always Christianity and not buddhism, Scientology, jehovah's witness, kubala and so on and so forth. why does it seem to get under peoples skin more. I'm just wondering?
Jenny,
I think it may be that there are those who call themselves Christians, speak so loud and unkind that they get noticed more. They damn others to a life of hell with what seems to be hostility. There actions and words through my eyes don't even remotely represent the love of God or Jesus.
I think that may be the reason. You don't find, or I haven't seen it, in other religions and I even posted a question about this very topic on here.
I think true Christians who love Christ and try and follow His teachings are not in this category at all.
It's they same as Muslims. There are those who call themselves Muslims but go against the teachings of Islam with the hatred that they portray.
There are overriped apples in every bunch ;)
Allheart
Mar 2, 2008, 04:40 PM
Just fyi... I love God with all my heart. I didn't want to give the wrong impression.
And I love Jesus, HIs son as well.
I also love all of my brothers and sisters no matter what they call or don't call themselves.
Amen :)
Allheart
Mar 2, 2008, 04:52 PM
You only think I'm human, you can't be sure. Just because everything you know states that I'm just a human sitting at a keyboard doesn't mean I am. I might look human and sound human but those things can be deceiving of what lies just under the surface. Why risk your soul when what I ask for costs you nothing?
I would know our Loving and Holy Father by the love that comes from Him. By the kindness of His words and by the Forgiveness for us in His heart.
Micahel, you may be trying to prove a point - not sure, but I think you shouldn't take it too far.
I respect that fact and your wishes to believe or not to believe and I hope that you can respect mine.
May God's love shine on you today, tomorrow and always.
Allheart
michealb
Mar 2, 2008, 05:53 PM
Micahel, you may be trying to prove a point - not sure, but I think you shouldn't take it too far.
Allheart
What is too far? I'm just asking if anyone can offer 100% proof I'm not god. The point is that you can't and that all the claims that are used by religions can be equally applied to my divinity. So shouldn't my religion get just as much respect as yours?
N0help4u
Mar 2, 2008, 05:55 PM
Proof?
I am still waiting for you to make your case that you are!
I would love to hear how you "believe" the world is going to end.
Waiting......can't wait........:D
Allheart
Mar 2, 2008, 05:57 PM
What is too far? I'm just asking if anyone can offer 100% proof I'm not god. The point is that you can't and that all the claims that are used by religions can be equally applied to my divinity. So shouldn't my religion get just as much respect as yours?
Sorry Michael,
What I meant was you should eventually get to the point as to what you were trying to get across. That's all I meant. Anotherwords, don't continue to say I am God... but get to the point as to what you wish us to hear.
Everyone, should respect everyone's belief. Respect not meaning agreement, but the freedome and will to believe as your heart, mind and soul directs you to.
albear
Mar 2, 2008, 06:10 PM
I'm the one true god. Can you prove me wrong? Would you risk your soul doubting me? If you can't prove me wrong, I'll be setting up a paypal account so you can start sending me 10% of your income.
Also to the person who is going to pray to me to win the lottery. I ran some tests and I found out you had to win 4 lotteries before you believed I was the true god and giving you 4 lotteries messed up my ultimate plan so you ended up not winning the lottery because it doesn't prove my point. So by the shear fact that you didn't win the lottery proves, I'm the one true god.
How far are you up?
michealb
Mar 2, 2008, 06:21 PM
Proof?
I am still waiting for you to make your case that you are!
I'm god I don't have to give you proof. You are suppose to have faith. I have honored you simply by willing to answer your questions.
As for your question of how the world is going to end, wouldn't that be like me telling you how the book ends while your in the middle of reading it. I don't think that would be very fair of me.
N0help4u
Mar 2, 2008, 06:23 PM
Okay not proof necessarily but doctrine
What you want *us* to believe?
michealb
Mar 2, 2008, 06:29 PM
Okay not proof necessarily but doctrine
what you want *us* to believe?
For now you just need to believe.
jennyrene
Mar 3, 2008, 06:07 AM
Jenny,
I think it may be that there are those who call themselves Christians, speak so loud and unkind that they get noticed more. They damn others to a life of hell with what seems to be hostility. There actions and words through my eyes don't even remotely represent the love of God or Jesus.
I think that may be the reason. You don't find, or I haven't seen it, in other religions and I even posted a question about this very topic on here.
I think true Christians who love Christ and try and follow His teachings are not in this category at all.
It's they same as Muslims. There are those who call themselves Muslims but go agains the teachings of Islam with the hatred that they portray.
There are overriped apples in every bunch ;)
I don't think that a lot of christians speak unkindly but frantically. Knowing what they know is up ahead for people they are also doing what God asked of them. See when I get to heaven I want to know that I did all I could to try to get the message to people. God said go out and be fishers of men. If he looked at me and said why did you do nothing knowing these people would perish, you didn't even try, then my soul would be damned. I think that we should be on the job all of the time not to be friends with everybody but to be God's servant. Love is the most importanat thing and I know that God's love doesn't want us to perish, he doesn't say let them worship any gods and not me if they don't want to, he said that there is one God and only him shall thy serve. We should show God's love each day and I always make sure that I do. When I believe in something so strongly and can't be shaken that doesn't mean that I don't show God's love. I can't make someone choose God but he has annoited me to witness, testify and most importantly love. I was walking in my yard yesturday and I picked up a piece of paper. Now what was a piece of paper doing in my yard? Well now I know that God knew I would need it. This is what it said:
Trust in the lord with all thine heart; and lean not into thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy path. Be not wise in thine own eyes; fear the lord, and depart from evil.proverbs 5-7