Is America ready for a black president?

I think so, but I don't know if they're ready for Obama. A CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/mlk.day.poll/) said "Seventy-two percent of white Americans and 61 percent of black Americans surveyed in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll ... say the nation is ready for a black commander in chief."

Personally, I just want the best (conservative) person for the job regardless of any of that other stuff.

Certainly if qualified, what makes you ask?

Yes!

I think so, but I don't know if they're ready for Obama. A CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/mlk.day.poll/) said "Seventy-two percent of white Americans and 61 percent of black Americans surveyed in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll ... say the nation is ready for a black commander in chief."

Personally, I just want the best (conservative) person for the job regardless of any of that other stuff.
I want the best person also. To me the person that can cross party lines and gain support would be the person of my choice. I like a person who makes me feel like they would sit down and eat dinner with me.

Certainly if qualified, what makes you ask?
I just wanted to kind of take my own poll. As a black american I jut feel deep inside that the powers to be won't allow it. Am I wrong for thinking that way? I was Bill O'Rially lastnight and he called rapper 50 cent a pin head because he said "That someone wouldtry and kill Obama first." Some people thinks that is crazy to say but a lot of black people think this way. What say you?

I think so, but I don't know if they're ready for Obama. A CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/mlk.day.poll/) said "Seventy-two percent of white Americans and 61 percent of black Americans surveyed in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll ... say the nation is ready for a black commander in chief."

Personally, I just want the best (conservative) person for the job regardless of any of that other stuff.
Why does the person have to be conservative?

There is no doubt in my mind that there are people out there that would try and kill him simply because he is Black. But then there are others that would try and kill any President based on their particular prejudice. It really hasn't been that long since Kennedy and that was simply for political reasons.

I see and talk with people from all races and cultures during the day (public library). This is a Republican white-bread county, but I hear support and enthusiasm for Obama from whites, blacks, Asians (especially supportive), and some Latinos.

Obama is well-educated, smart, sensitive, open to ideas, well-spoken, an excellent writer, charismatic, and good-looking. On top of all that, he has a smart, charming, and pretty wife who is an even better spokesperson than he is.

What's not to like? He has never played the race card, as they call it, so when people look at him, they think "man" not "black man." His blackness is very much a part of who he is, but he doesn't flaunt it nor does he apologize for it. It gives him a broader understanding of being human, not only for the benefit of blacks but also for whites. What amazes me most is the enthusiastic support he is getting from Asians of all ages who traditionally stay apart from blacks. Apparently, they also see Obama, not so much as a black man, but as "a very special man."

If anyone can unite this country, it is Barack Obama.

I like a person who makes me feel like they would sit down and eat dinner with me.

That would be nice as well.


why does the person have to be conservative?

Because I'm a conservative. :)

As to your question on 50 cent, I think any president is a target. I saw the video of him saying that and I think he was showing genuine concern, but my question is why? Why do "alot of black people think this way?"

And what does experience really have to do with it? We've had an experienced president for eight years. He was a CEO and also a state governor. What path did he lead us down? Are we the better for his "experience"?

Lincoln had experience only as a country lawyer.

From a blog --

"With Barack, you get the best of several worlds, and I don't just mean culturally. You get his life experiences, his experiences as an elected official at the state and national levels, you get the experience of a guy who was the Democratic Party's top campaigner for the 2006 victory, and you get the national experience of a guy who has run a clean, up-beat presidential campaign that shows all signs of becoming a classic. The presidential campaign is designed to test if you are ready, and he has been acing the tests.

But, with him, you also get freshness, guts, newness, boldness of vision, boldness, ease and classiness of style. Barack is so very comfortable in his skin."

Is America ready for a black president?

I honestly believe that Americans, at this very moment, are ready for a President who can lead this nation to great things.

I think Americans are just tired, just plain tired and I don't think any of us care at all what he or she looks like but just PLEASE give us back the reasons to stand tall and proud.

California alone is a more complex state to govern today than America in Lincoln's time. Just because you believe experience failed us with Bush is no reason to through it out the window. Companies hire experienced individuals who fail at their job all the time but they don't change the ad to “inexperienced driver needed.”

Barack is smart and personable, I grant that, but he has never “Ran” anything in comparison to Mitt and that is important. I prefer to go with probabilities rather than possibilities.

That would be nice as well.



Because I'm a conservative. :)

As to your question on 50 cent, I think any president is a target. I saw the video of him saying that and I think he was showing genuine concern, but my question is why? Why do "alot of black people think this way?"
I think because we still feel racial tension even when it is hidden. I have asked 5 blacks that question today if they feel there would be a genuine attack on Obama and everyone said yes. I work on a college campus, and I also attend, so these are not uniformed blacks. We are ground zero so we see it for what it is, while maintaining hope for what it might can become. Hopefully it is just social paranoia, but I doubt it. What say you?

I think because we still feel racial tension even when it is hidden. I have asked 5 blacks that question today if they feel there would be a genuine attack on Obama and everyone said yes. I work on a college campus, and I also attend, so these are not uniformed blacks. We are ground zero so we see it for what it is, while maintaining hope for what it might can become. Hopefully it is just social paranoia, but I doubt it. What say you?

Clinton,

I will be very honest with you. I am white and I had the same fear. I guess that history is not that far back and the thought did scare and sadden me very much. It hurts me to say that because I can't imagne how that makes you or any black person feel. But it did scare me.

I hope it is just paranoia on my part and I had a simliar fear for Hilary.

But Clinton, my own shadow scares me and I worry about everyone and everything.
I think 99% of America is made up of beautiful people, but there are those who are ill and it is those that I worry about.

And what does experience really have to do with it? We've had an experienced president for eight years. He was a CEO and also a state governor. What path did he lead us down? Are we the better for his "experience"?

Lincoln had experience only as a country lawyer.

From a blog --

"With Barack, you get the best of several worlds, and I don't just mean culturally. You get his life experiences, his experiences as an elected official at the state and national levels, you get the experience of a guy who was the Democratic Party's top campaigner for the 2006 victory, and you get the national experience of a guy who has run a clean, up-beat presidential campaign that shows all signs of becoming a classic. The presidential campaign is designed to test if you are ready, and he has been acing the tests.

But, with him, you also get freshness, guts, newness, boldness of vision, boldness, ease and classiness of style. Barack is so very comfortable in his skin."
I agree: I have just moved to Obama sided within the last two weeks he even have republicans that will vote for him. I like someone who will brigde gaps not bring division.

My mother has to be about the most racist person alive, she would be too hateful for the KKK most likely. But given the choices she has to vote for, I even heard her say she would vote for Obama since anything else would be a lot worst for America.

I have to agree. I think the experience thing is something that some want to hang their hat on.

He can surround himself with those who do have experience. What I like is maybe he is not jaded as much as the others who have been around longer.

I, at this point am not sure who I am voting for - I just hope and pray that we as a Country get the best one... no matter what party affliation, gender or race.

[QUOTE=Dark_crow]California alone is a more complex state to govern today than America in Lincoln’s time. Just because you believe experience failed us with Bush is no reason to through it out the window. Companies hire experienced individuals who fail at their job all the time but they don’t change the ad to “inexperienced driver needed.”

Barrack is smart and personable, I grant that, but he has never “Ran” anything in comparison to Mitt and that is important. I prefer to go with probabilities rather than possibilities.[/QUOT It is not about who is the best number cruncher, there will be advisers for that, In politics you need to be able to build coalitions to get the job done, or a bill passed. Not coalitions of fear like some of our previous,or current presidents and senators. Maybe Mitt would be a good financial advisor to the next president?

And as most know I am a very "right" wing person, but given who I think will end up on the rep ticket, I most likely will vote Dem for the president for the first time ever.

My main concern is he would end up like Jimmy Carter, no real politial ties and people owing favors to get anything done.

Does anyone think that the Demorcratic Nom would pick Edwards as a running mate?
Or is it possible that Obama and Hillary would pick each other? I doubt it, but do any of you think that would happen?

Fr. Chuck, who do you think the Rep. ticket would be?

I have to agree. I think the experience thing is something that some want to hang their hat on.

He can surround himself with those who do have experience. What I like is maybe he is not jaded as much as the others who have been around longer.

I, at this point am not sure who I am voting for - I just hope and pray that we as a Country get the best one ...no matter what party affliation, gender or race.
I look at it this way: How much experience did he have in running a presidential campaign? He made sure he had good advisors and the personality to get theses people to believe in him.

Does anyone think that the Demorcratic Nom would pick Edwards as a running mate?
Or is it possible that Obama and Hillary would pick each other? I doubt it, but do any of you think that would happen?

Fr. chuck, who do you think the Rep. ticket would be?
The stronger tickett would Hillary Obama in any order( my opinion)

the stronger tickett would Hillary Obama in any order( my opinion)


That would be so powerful. I also did like Edwards though, but your right, the real weight would be combining Obama and Hillary. Oh the media would love it as well.

Barack has said he would chose a Cabinet and others to help who are experienced and from any political party, as long as they have what the country needs.

Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote a book called Team of Rivals. In it, she offers "fresh insights into Lincoln's leadership style and his deep understanding of human behavior and motivation. Goodwin makes the case for Lincoln's political genius by examining his relationships with three men he selected for his cabinet, all of whom were opponents for the Republican nomination in 1860: William H. Seward, Salmon P. Chase, and Edward Bates. These men, all accomplished, nationally known, and presidential, originally disdained Lincoln for his backwoods upbringing and lack of experience, and were shocked and humiliated at losing to this relatively obscure Illinois lawyer. Yet Lincoln not only convinced them to join his administration--Seward as secretary of state, Chase as secretary of the treasury, and Bates as attorney general--he ultimately gained their admiration and respect as well. How he soothed egos, turned rivals into allies, and dealt with many challenges to his leadership, all for the sake of the greater good, is largely what Goodwin's fine book is about. Had he not possessed the wisdom and confidence to select and work with the best people, she argues, he could not have led the nation through one of its darkest periods." (amazon.com)

I can easily imagine Barack Obama doing the same thing. He has already done something similar in bringing together his campaign staff as well as voters.

That would be so powerful. I also did like Edwards though, but your right, the real weight would be combining Obama and Hillary. Oh the media would love it as well.

A friend told me that, since the VP job is usually so "nothing," Hillary wouldn't accept the #2 position and just be a pretty face. Obama would have to offer her major duties and allow her to do the things that she is very good at. This friend said he can better imagine a Clinton-Obama ticket that would give Obama the "experience" that many say he needs. Hillary would definitely need Barack to soften her style.

A friend told me that, since the VP job is usually so "nothing," Hillary wouldn't accept the #2 position and just be a pretty face. Obama would have to offer her major duties and allow her to do the things that she is very good at. This friend said he can better imagine a Clinton-Obama ticket that would give Obama the "experience" that many say he needs. Hillary would definitely need Barack to soften her style.
I think that also says something about Obama ego, or perception of that he would be vp to help the party. And Hillary? Do you like team players?

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Fr_Chuck agrees: tell you more after tonight, but I like one of the one that already droped out

Sounds Good Fr. Chuck. I would love to hear. You know, I did like Juliani, actually very much at first. Mostly, for how well he cleaned up New York and his incredible leadership during 9/11, but I think he didn't come off too well during this go around and I found myself a bit disappointed.

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Fr_Chuck agrees: tell you more after tonight, but I like one of the one that already droped out

Sounds Good Fr. Chuck. I would love to hear. You know, I did like Juliani, actually very much at first. Mostly, for how well he cleaned up New York and his incredible leadership during 9/11, but I think he didn't come off too well during this go around and I found myself a bit disappointed.
Gay rights , immigration, obortion , and divorces hurt him. Too much a lawyer.

I think because we still feel racial tension even when it is hidden. I have asked 5 blacks that question today if they feel there would be a genuine attack on Obama and everyone said yes. I work on a college campus, and I also attend, so these are not uniformed blacks. We are ground zero so we see it for what it is, while maintaining hope for what it might can become. Hopefully it is just social paranoia, but I doubt it. What say you?

Clinton, I do understand and no doubt racism is alive and well, but I do not believe it is as bad as many fear. You said "because we still feel racial tension even when it is hidden." What does that mean? Do you see or experience a lot of racial tension or do you just sense it?

I've been a white minority in a Hispanic neighborhood for most of my 47 years so I really don't know what racism is like. Almost all of my friends growing up were Hispanic or black so I honestly don't get why anyone looks at race as an issue... which is why I'm alternately puzzled and pi**ed when I see charges of racism fly at the slightest perception of a wrong.

What I'm getting at here is because of that atmosphere many of us at least subconsciously feel we have to watch our every step or we'll be called racist. It's like we can't just relax and be friends... like there HAS to be tension. A recent example was the University of Delaware’s residence life education program which taught “[a] racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8555.html) (i.e. people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality.”

Why would anyone ever believe that way let alone teach it to college students? I ask, Why Can't We Be Friends? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8) :)

Gay rights , immigration, obortion , and divorces hurt him. To much a lawyer.


I see. His demeanor wasn't the best either. I saw a news story where each of the candidates was assigned a student reporter to be with the 24/7 and follow there every move. Julliani was the only candidate who refused to have the student around him 24/7. He said the student could only be around him when the other press was. I was a little disappointed with that as well.

**** Now keep in mind, not sure how true it was, but I did see it on one of the special reports.****

I am sorry and very sorry if it is inaccurate.

Clinton, I do understand and no doubt racism is alive and well, but I do not believe it is as bad as many fear. You said "because we still feel racial tension even when it is hidden." What does that mean? Do you see or experience a lot of racial tension or do you just sense it?

I've been a white minority in a Hispanic neighborhood for most of my 47 years so I really don't know what racism is like. Almost all of my friends growing up were Hispanic or black so I honestly don't get why anyone looks at race as an issue...which is why I'm alternately puzzled and pi**ed when I see charges of racism fly at the slightest perception of a wrong.

What I'm getting at here is because of that atmosphere many of us at least subconsciously feel we have to watch our every step or we'll be called racist. It's like we can't just relax and be friends...like there HAS to be tension. A recent example was the University of Delaware’s residence life education program which taught “[a] racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8555.html) (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality.” Well that is the key you are the white majority minority. Listen I am not a whiner it does not bother me to try 3 times as hard, becase the winner has to try 5 times as hard. I just call as see it. I have since asked 12 blacks they same question, some professors, and trust me it is real to blacks people. Would I rather live in another country H*** NO, but it is what it is.


Why would anyone ever believe that way let alone teach it to college students? I ask, Why Can't We Be Friends? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8) :)Well that is the key you are the white majority minority. Listen I am not a whiner it does not bother me to try 3 times as hard, becase the winner has to try 5 times as hard. I just call as see it. I have since asked 12 blacks they same question, some professors, and trust me it is real to blacks people. Would I rather live in another country H*** NO, but it is what it is.

Do you think Edwards will use his 58 delegates to be a kingmaker and leverage his way into a VP or Cabinet position?

To the OP I really hope the US is ready for a black president. What I see of Obama is inspiring. He is so refreshing and one of the best speech makers I have heard in a long time. I know that doesn't necessarily make him a the best man for the job but even with what very little I know he sure would be my pick. He has an auro about him that I don't see in any of the other candidates.

Am I ready? Sure.

Period.

I honestly think for the first time we are willing, as a whole, to look past race and gender.

I think if hillary didn't have the clinton baggage, she might not be struggling so much with the dems.

I think if colin powell had run before, he have had support.

I think obama is drawing in support from a lot of areas.

I am "white bread, middle class" based on location, Iowa... though I did grow up upper-lower class in a mixed neighborhood, and I had actually more black, hispanic, and laotian friends in the neighborhood than white as a kid...

At the caucauses I saw three young, white, registered republicans switch party affiliation so they could support obama.

I'm not saying I am for or against him. I'm saying I think this election year is unique.

If a republican is elected I think it will be because of his positions. If a democrat is elected, female or black, I think it will be mixed... some who agree with what is said, and some who are excited about a historic change, right or wrong.

As for the comment about assassination... I fear that isn't unrealistic. Hatred does still exist. All it takes is one person.

Part of obama's appeal is that he isn't pushing them/us... it more about we.

I don't care if you agree with him or not... the perception is that he isn't dividing based on his skin.

Some might say that MLK Jr. was a man that America was not ready for since he gave his life for the cause of equality, just some forty years ago. Personally I think he was right where G-d wanted him. The most American thing we could do is have fewer J. Edgar Hoover types amongst our society. That being said we need to welcome more people of color running for highest office in the land. We are a diverse nation and representation doesn't necessarily come from the same skin color. I'm a born US citizen (Jewish Caucasian) and very few American presidents have ever represented the vast majority of the middle and lower classes of our populace, white or black.


Bobby

Well that is the key you are the white majority minority.

Technically, that's not correct. I live in a state where the minority is the majority (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/005514.html). Even if that weren't so it's irrelevant, in my formative years I knew I was the minority and felt like the minority. You don't think I felt out of place at times or sensed some racial tension? I did and I didn't like it... then I went right out and had fun with my friends anyway.


Listen I am not a whiner it does not bother me to try 3 times as hard, becase the winner has to try 5 times as hard. I just call as see it. I have since asked 12 blacks they same question, some professors, and trust me it is real to blacks people. Would I rather live in another country H*** NO, but it is what it is.

I don't doubt it's real to you, but believe it or not what I referred to earlier about the seeming necessity of some to keep the fire stoked makes some of us try harder, too. It's like we have to be overly cautious... when I'd rather just sit down and share a couple of beers and chat football.

Do you think Edwards will use his 58 delegates to be a kingmaker and leverage his way into a VP or Cabinet position?

To the OP i really hope the US is ready for a black president. What i see of Obama is inspiring. He is so refreshing and one of the best speech makers i have heard in a long time. I know that doesnt necesarily make him a the best man for the job but even with what very little i know he sure would be my pick. He has an auro about him that i dont see in any of the other candidates.
That is what drew me in. How can someone I have never met, or even been close to radiate such feelings of trustworthiness, inspiration, and hope. I am an independent voter. If someone else made me feel that way I would vote for them Dem. Or Rep. I wonder I feel this way and have never met Obama how people around him might feel?

Technically, that's not correct. I live in a state where the minority is the majority (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/005514.html). Even if that weren't so it's irrelevant, in my formative years I knew I was the minority and felt like the minority. You don't think I felt out of place at times or sensed some racial tension? I did and I didn't like it...then I went right out and had fun with my friends anyway.



I don't doubt it's real to you, but believe it or not what I referred to earlier about the seeming necessity of some to keep the fire stoked makes some of us try harder, too. It's like we have to be overly cautious...when I'd rather just sit down and share a couple of beers and chat football.
Do you know I have not watched t.v. since the cowboys lost, lol! It is not an issue that slows me down but it is real, on all sides not just black & white. It is not just me, ask 10 people from any race you know and see what they say? Listen I do not care if some is a racist or not, that is up to them, just as long as I am treated the way I present myself. For example> If bush is racist I still respect that he has put blacks into higher position in government than any other president> .

am i ready? sure.

period.

i honestly think for the first time we are willing, as a whole, to look past race and gender.

i think if hillary didnt have the clinton baggage, she might not be struggling so much with the dems.

i think if colin powell had run before, he have had support.

i think obama is drawing in support from a lot of areas.

i am "white bread, middle class" based on location, iowa... though i did grow up upper-lower class in a mixed neighborhood, and i had actually more black, hispanic, and laotian friends in the neighborhood than white as a kid...

at the caucauses i saw three young, white, registered republicans switch party affiliation so they could support obama.

im not saying i am for or against him. im saying i think this election year is unique.

if a republican is elected i think it will be because of his positions. if a democrat is elected, female or black, i think it will be mixed... some who agree with what is said, and some who are excited about a historic change, right or wrong.

as for the comment about assassination... i fear that isnt unrealistic. hatred does still exist. all it takes is one person.

part of obama's appeal is that he isnt pushing them/us... it more about we.

i dont care if you agree with him or not... the perception is that he isnt dividing based on his skin.
What if a republican were to choose colin powell as running mate would that shake things up for the Dems? Wow!

What if a republican were to choose colin powell as running mate would that shake things up forthe Dems? Wow!


How awesome would that be!! ( Meaning having Colin Powell as a running mate)

What if a republican were to choose colin powell as running mate would that shake things up forthe Dems? Wow!

Powell's wife wouldn't allow him to run for president, so I doubt she'd allow him to run as VP. He has lost status anyway because of his support and argument for the Iraq invasion. But he would have been my choice had he run for president.

Powell's wife wouldn't allow him to run for president, so I doubt she'd allow him to run as VP. He has lost status anyway because of his support and argument for the Iraq invasion. But he would have been my choice had he run for president.
But would it help Reps?

Powell's wife wouldn't allow him to run for president, so I doubt she'd allow him to run as VP. He has lost status anyway because of his support and argument for the Iraq invasion. But he would have been my choice had he run for president.


He would have been a serious consideration of mine as well. I didn't know she didn't want him to run. I can't say I blame her. It really puts your whole life out there and the lives of anyone close to you. That's pretty tough. And he has contributed so much to this country to date, but I sure hope the Mrs. changes her mind, would make things so interesting and he would add so much to the ticket as well as the office.

Got to spread the love, Allheart...

Obama-Powell -- woo hoo!!

My problem is id prefer powell as a potential #1, at least for the primary parades. Now, understand that I'm not saying id vote for him #1, and I know he's not going to run... I don't understand half of his positions... but he seemed at least like a man of integrity and conviction.

Maybe its wrong, but he is a man I would be excited about if nothing else, for the fact he seemed transparent... no pretense.

Yes... he went in front of the UN and talked about WMD's in iraq... I believe he believed it... and he has always struck me as one of those men who were, unfortunately (? ), above the noise of politics.

I saw a link today that listed the top donors to the top two in each party... you know what was surprising?

All the same big political donors were the same.

Didn't matter if it was clinton, obama, romney, or mccain. Its like they'll try to buy whomever gets in no matter the result.

Wish I could find the link...

My thought on this is, certainly, the US will elect a black and/or female president. But it won't be a liberal. For that reason, I do not project Ms. Clinton or Mr. Obama as the next president because the Democrat Party has become too marginalized.

Do you know I have not watched t.v. since the cowboys lost, lol!

Not me, I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Pats get spanked :D


It is not an issue that slows me down but it is real, on all sides not just black & white. It is not just me, ask 10 people from any race you know and see what they say? Listen I do not care if some is a racist or not, that is up to them, just as long as I am treated the way I present myself. For example> If bush is racist I still respect that he has put blacks into higher position in government than any other president> .

Great for you, press on... I like that attitude.

Is America ready for a black president?

Obama had a solid showing yesterday in the primary votes . He is going to take the fight all the way to the convention floor I believe and hope. (would love to see some serious fratricide in the Dem. Ranks ) But the point is ;that he is a serious contender and given the right opponent (like the Huckster) I think he could win.

I agree with the other experts who have pointed out other imminently qualified black candidates .It is also encouraging that despite slick Willie's antics ,the race issue has been kept to a minimum.

Barack Obama was able to prove that he could win the white vote. And that showed up in states like Utah, North Dakota, Colorado – places where the African American population is very small.

I hope it's a close match to the very end... that will help the Republicans:p

Barack Obama was able to prove that he could win the white vote. And that showed up in states like Utah, North Dakota, Colorado – places where the African American population is very small.

I hope it's a close match to the very end...that will help the Republicans:p
I was not surprised with how hucklebee turned out he seems more genuine than the rest of the Reps. Lastnight was the first night Mitt seemed humble and human. What say you?

Mccoy

Senator John McCain's huge win beating Mitt Romney was no surprise to me. I am sure that was a humbling experience for Mitt, who was not long ago, far ahead of McCain.

One of my concerns about Mitt is that like the Democrats he will embrace a protectionist economic policy that would harm economic interests not only in America but in some other countries as well.

Mccoy

Senator John McCain’s huge win beating Mitt Romney was no surprise to me. I am sure that was a humbling experience for Mitt, who was not long ago, far ahead of McCain.

One of my concerns about Mitt is that like the Democrats he will embrace a protectionist economic policy that would harm economic interests not only in America but in some other countries as well.
But at some point you have to stop the flow of blood before you can even start operating. I think Mitts foreign policy solution will be based on ecconomics. You know when the dollar comes first a lot of people can get stepped on. Look how many people were laid of from the business he helped to make more money. He is a number cruncher he sees wins by the numbers. That will not help the country to regain the moral high road we once had. You need that in foreign policy. I like the candidate that, at leaste makes me "feel" he, will sit down and eat dinner with me. Do you get that from McCain, Hillary, Mitt?

But at some point you have to stop the flow of blood before you can even start operating. I think Mitts foreign policy solution will be based on ecconomics. You know when the dollar comes first a lot of people can get stepped on. Look how many people were laid of from the business he helped to make more money. He is a number cruncher he sees wins by the numbers. That will not help the country to regain the moral high road we once had. You need that in foreign policy. I like the candidate that, at leaste makes me "feel" he, will sit down and eat dinner with me. Do you get that from McCain, Hillary, Mitt?
I prefer eating KFC chicken with my hands, unlike Mitt who uses a plastic knife and fork.

Seriously, what is the moral high road; it might be different for two people. The high moral ground in foreign policy for me is to make liberty and the pursuit of happiness available to all humans.

Barack Obama was able to prove that he could win the white vote. And that showed up in states like Utah, North Dakota, Colorado – places where the African American population is very small.

I hope it's a close match to the very end...that will help the Republicans:p

And now he is picking up much of the black vote that was holding with clinton early on... she was a "known quantity" and he wasn't... once he solidly competed in states with small minority populations it seemed to "validate" his chances... not that a white vote is worth more... it's that, I think, some would have seen it as "throwing away" their vote if the candidate wasn't "viable."

That's one reason why, no matter if he wins the nomination or election, I think this seems like a different election process. Obama never tried to play off race (even if some are excited to potentially have a black nominee) and he has challenged well without it. Whereas I think clinton, through her husband, has tried to play off her gender... when bill says tongue in cheek that he "cant make her" a younger, male candidate... he's trying to guilt the people who find obama charismatic and energetic... which is ironic because I think he had that "role" against g.h.w.bush first time through.

I prefer eating KFC chicken with my hands, unlike Mitt who uses a plastic knife and fork.

Seriously, what is the moral high road; it might be different for two people. The high moral ground in foreign policy for me is to make liberty and the pursuit of happiness available to all humans.

Is the moral high road refusing to use the spork? ;)

My dad keeps talking about if we do get a black president he will be assand

my dad keeps talking about if we do get a black president he will be assand

Any color president could be assassinated. In fact, even white ones have been assassinated.

If Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes or even Jesse Jackson were the black candidate, I might agree with you. Not so much with Obama. He doesn't play the race card and is well-liked by a majority of white and black men.

Of course, it only takes one unbalanced person...

Any color president could be assassinated. In fact, even white ones have been assassinated.

If Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes or even Jesse Jackson were the black candidate, I might agree with you. Not so much with Obama. He doesn't play the race card and is well-liked by a majority of white and black men.

Of course, it only takes one unbalanced person....
I was thinking we have had only white it would be cool to have a black 1 but still he has a higher chance to be assassinated :confused:

i was thinking we have had only white it would be cool to have a black 1 but still he has a higher chance to be assassinated :confused:

I don't believe that at all, and I'm lily white.

If anyone has gotten respect from people, it is Obama. I would more likely expect Clinton or Romney to be assassinated long before Obama.

I don't believe that at all, and I'm lily white.

If anyone has gotten respect from people, it is Obama. I would more likely expect Clinton or Romney to be assassinated long before Obama.
OK you I guess your right I think it would sux if a girl was priz... well to most people *not trying to be sexest*

ok ya i guess ur right i think it would sux if a girl was priz..... well to most ppl *not trying to be sexest*

She is an annoying candidate. She's stiff and brittle. She can't even sing on key either. Ewwwwwwww!

Romney could be assassinated because people hate Mormons and don't understand their beliefs. For instance, Mormon men believe they will be gods when they die and each will have his own planet to rule over.

I prefer eating KFC chicken with my hands, unlike Mitt who uses a plastic knife and fork.

I prefer to eat Popeye's fried chicken with my hands. Heck, I'd even eat the Cajun rice with my hands as long as I had napkins :)

She is an annoying candidate. She's stiff and brittle. She can't even sing on key either. Ewwwwwwww!!

Romney could be assassinated because people hate Mormons and don't understand their beliefs. For instance, Mormon men believe they will be gods when they die and each will have his own planet to rule over.
Sounds like romney will start more wars :eek: then that will sux more but I don't know much that is going on I can't vote until next time so I am slowly getting into this well starting now

sounds like romney will start more wars :eek: then that will sux more but i dont know much that is going on i can't vote untill next time so i am slowly getting into this well starting now

I'm glad you are here and are reading about the candidates and the election.

Find a web site or a newspaper page that lists all the candidates on a chart and briefly explains what each believes and wants for our country regarding health care, energy, the Iraq war, relations with other countries, poverty, the homeless, a draft, education, etc. The more informed you are, the smarter you will be as a voter. Listen to other people but don't let them sway you against what you believe is right.

sounds like romney will start more wars

He's not in any hurry to die, so I don't think starting wars would be his thing. He has a very nice life now and is wealthy.

I'm glad you are here and are reading about the candidates and the election.

Find a web site or a newspaper page that lists all the candidates on a chart and briefly explains what each believes and wants for our country regarding health care, energy, the Iraq war, relations with other countries, poverty, the homeless, a draft, education, etc. The more informed you are, the smarter you will be as a voter. Listen to other people but don't let them sway you against what you believe is right.
OK I will do that and I am afraid of the draft :( :confused: :eek:

ok i will do that and i am afraid of the draft :( :confused: :eek:

There is no draft. There will be no draft.

There is no draft. There will be no draft.
But I was told... (this is why my dad is in the army)... at 1 point they opened the draft and like right be for it closed my dad was drafted and when it cloced he told me that it could open again :confused:

It could, but it won't as long as there are enough volunteers who choose go into the military.

The last time there was a draft was during Vietnam when young men did not choose to go into the military to fight that terrible war. Some moved to Canada and hid there. Some went to college and were exempt. Others ended up in jail during protests. The draft was started to force guys into the military.

It could, but it won't as long as there are enough volunteers who choose go into the military.

The last time there was a draft was during Vietnam when young men did not choose to go into the military to fight that terrible war. Some moved to Canada and hid there. Some went to college and were exempt. Others ended up in jail during protests. The draft was started to force guys into the military.
I know and my dad is still in the army today he walks funny do to a bulit to the knee :mad: like I said I hate the draft + I have not seen my dad in 6 months because of the war now

I'm sure a lot of america is, but I'm afraid of what the people who ar'nt will do

Why is your father in the Army? Is he a career Army man? He must have volunteered.

The military does give good benefits for housing, health care, education. The Navy would be my choice if I would go into a branch of the service.

Why is your father in the Army? Is he a career Army man? He must have volunteered.

The military does give good benefits for housing, health care, education. The Navy would be my choice if I would go into a branch of the service.
He got drafted they he got the bulit from the 50 cal in his knee and he just never wanted to leave he could own your family business but he's in the army so when he is home he normaly on base working

In what year was he drafted?

In what year was he drafted?
U know I never ask that
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What if he was lying to me to make me get a good job
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But he has been in the army for 34 years

36 years ago he could've been drafted . 34 years ago was 1974 . December 1972 the last person in the US was conscripted.

I do not believe there will be a draft. The military certainly doesn't want it and there is no need. The United States had a much larger volunteer military in the 1980s and there is no reason it could not grow to those levels again without conscription.

You running I'll vote for you!

Hillary and Obama I don't think so.

Seriously, what is the moral high road; it might be different for two people. The high moral ground in foreign policy for me is to make liberty and the pursuit of happiness available to all humans.[/QUOTE]
Ok I meant high ground but I share the same definition

Any color president could be assassinated. In fact, even white ones have been assassinated.

If Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes or even Jesse Jackson were the black candidate, I might agree with you. Not so much with Obama. He doesn't play the race card and is well-liked by a majority of white and black men.

Of course, it only takes one unbalanced person....
I have since asked 23 black people and all answers were the same. Not even I expected that. I figured someone would give the "every president could be assassinated" politicly correct answer. None. Most people on this site seem to be open minded intelligent people, try talking to some good old boys that sees every black person as a n****r and check their opinions. I am pretty sure you won't be shocked.
This is a true story I work and go to college here in FL. Today I over heard 3 white mean talking about the primary and the candidates. They were two maintenance men and one security( ex-cop) all three were over 40. They talked so bad about Obama( because he was black) that I wanted to comfront all three of them( on an intellectual level of course). They really think that the only reason blacks are voting for him is because he is black. My point is thy felt like the country is going to hell because a black man has the chance to be elected. Oh yea I did make them seem like intellectual fools. Sorry I am not that refined yet. Lmao

You should have beat them up! I was born and raised in NC, so I recognize the mindset. Too bad -- they are very wrong about blacks voting for him just because he is black. In fact, the opposite was true until recently, that blacks didn't think he was black enough or that a black person could ever be president--so they didn't vote for him at first. Thank goodness, that is changing!

You shoulda beat them up! I was born and raised in NC, so I recognize the mindset. Too bad -- they are very wrong about blacks voting for him just because he is black. In fact, the opposite was true until recently, that blacks didn't think he was black enough or that a black person could ever be president--so they didn't vote for him at first. Thank goodness, that is changing!
I made up my mind only two weeks ago. I would vote republican if I thought one of the candidates were the best for the job.

I could not get ignorant that would have played into there mind set. I felt better pointing out how uninformed they were. Oh went deep with it. At first they thought I was a dumb gold wearing black person.

McCain is a moderate Republican and I don't think will be a Bush clone. But he wants to stay in Iraq for generations, and I think we can get out of there and still leave the country in one piece. I'd like to see a woman in the White House, but Hillary doesn't quite do it for me. Plus she has baggage that's a little too heavy. (It's name is Bill.) I just tonight donated to Obama. I get email from his campaign office every day. I want him to clean up before the convention and not go into that with fears that he might not make it.

I wanted to comfront all three of them( on an intellectual level of course).

The trouble with that approach is that they may not have much of an intellectual level in the first place...

I've actually had the opportunity to hear people who have formally said things about how slavery should not have been abolished... with deep roots in the south... say that Obama seems like a pretty good choice once they listened to him!

I would be surprised if Obama hasn't considered the risks involved, knowing that there are plenty of people with hatred of all types.

Smart people will see potential to unite different races, but at the same time, the potential for it to tear apart the country socially if something does happen, is extremely great.

I was less than 2 years old when MLK was killed, and not even thought of for JFK, but I am wondering if the various sides would react the same today if that type of thing were to happen. There is a great rift in our country already between people of different cultures or financial means, and I fear a mass riot or racial war might explode if some of the predictions about Obama were to happen. I certainly hope not to see any such thing, but at the same time, there are some people who would hope to cause it. I hope I am wrong, and maybe that just shows my negative view about the nature of some people.

McCain is a moderate Republican and I don't think will be a Bush clone.

I don't think so either, but that's already part of the Democrats' strategy. From Howard Dean yesterday:


Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are done. John McCain will be the Republican nominee -- he's the only one with a reasonable path to the nomination.

So how do we beat him? We stand up -- right now -- start fighting, and show the American people that he's not who they think he is.

We can't wait for Hillary or Barack to win the nomination. Now that the Republicans have a candidate, the dollars are starting to pour in from special interests who will do anything to beat the Democratic nominee. They're just waiting for us to decide so they can start smearing...

John McCain is a media darling, but don't trust his carefully-crafted image - he's worked for years to brand himself. From Iraq to health care, Social Security to special interest tax cuts to ethics, he's promising nothing more than a third Bush term.

It's no surprise that Dean would run with this, Hillary's been running against Bush all along. She manages to work in some variation of "the failure of the Bush administration" every time she speaks.

Steve you said on another posting that the media will turn on this media darling . I agree with that . There is no way McCain gets the NY Slimes endorsement in the general election. He'd best make peace with the rest of the base today at CPAC . He's going to need an energized base of support.

You should have beat them up! I was born and raised in NC, so I recognize the mindset. Too bad -- they are very wrong about blacks voting for him just because he is black. In fact, the opposite was true until recently, that blacks didn't think he was black enough or that a black person could ever be president--so they didn't vote for him at first. Thank goodness, that is changing!

No doubt the men Clinton was speaking of deserved a thorough "intellectual" beating :D

I do have to question the premise that blacks aren't voting for him because he's black, or that women aren't voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Look at some stats from Super Duper Tuesday (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/05/politics/main3795497.shtml):


Nationally, 82 percent of blacks voted for Obama, compared to 17 percent who voted for Clinton. The margin was 85 to 14 among black men, and 80 to 18 among black women.

Do you really think 82 percent of blacks support Obama because of what he's done or what he stands for? Same for Hillary:


Similar to their behavior in the early primary states, white women once again supported Clinton by a wide margin. White women comprised 35 percent of the Democratic electorate. Fifty-nine percent of white female voters supported Clinton, compared to 35 percent who supported Obama.

White female voters were a key factor in several Clinton victories. In Massachusetts, white women comprised an enormous 50 percent of the electorate. Clinton won these voters by almost a two-to-one margin, securing 65 percent of white female voters as opposed to 34 percent for Obama. In New Jersey, white females made up 34 percent of Democratic voters. A whopping 72 percent of them supported Clinton, compared to only 27 percent for Obama

I can't tell you how many times I've heard from exit polls and interviews "it's time for a black president," "we've come a long way," we're breaking down barriers," "let's give a black man (or a woman) a chance" or "I connected with Hillary" after her NH show.

Great, I'm all for those things but I would never vote for or against a candidate because of race or gender - or in the case of the GOP, a white male, a Mormon, a Baptist preacher or just because they can beat the Democrat. It sure seems to me like a whole lot of people are doing just that with little regard for the things that really matter. All of these things can be part of the equation but shouldn't be the primary factor.

Absolutely they will turn on McCain and today is a big day for him. I can't wait to see how this pans out. And guess what, it looks like Texas will matter after all. It's just a shame we have less to choose from.

McCain is a moderate Republican and I don't think will be a Bush clone.
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NK, what exactly are we supposed to glean from that? About as much as this?

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http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/Bush-Hillary.jpg

http://bushclintonforever.googlepages.com/bush-hillary.jpg/bush-hillary-full.jpg

Just glad you didn't post that photo of Obama and the swimmer in a hug .

Steve

McCain adviser Charlie Black explains why it is already a done deal for McCain. Adviser: McCain has it wrapped up - First Read - msnbc.com (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/06/643431.aspx)

At this point Texas can only join the bandwagon . Sorry .

just glad you didn't post that photo of Obama and the swimmer in a hug .

Steve

McCain adviser Charlie Black explains why it is already a done deal for McCain. Adviser: McCain has it wrapped up - First Read - msnbc.com (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/06/643431.aspx)

At this point Texas can only join the bandwagon . Sorry .

Yeah, I figure as this writer says (http://www.amarillo.com/stories/020708/new_9535799.shtml) that we'll likely put McCain over the top. But we'll still matter, they'll actually campaign here now and we could be the "kingmaker." After the California results and with all those Hispanics I bet Evita gets a huge win here.

Obama did accomplish a couple of things; he cut the long-established ties between black voters and the Clintons and at the same time split the Party in half…the Clinton Democrats and the Obama Democrats.

I wonder which Democratic Party George Soros, MoveOn.Org. Michael Moore, Jimmy Carter, Hollywood celebrities, Academia, Enviro-whack-jobs, and the “hate-McCain,” Conservatives belong to. .

NK, what exactly are we supposed to glean from that?
You don't see a difference between standing beside someone and hugging them? :rolleyes:

DC Moveon has already endorsed Obama lol MoveOn Endorses Obama (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=278779)

Imagine that... and organization who's sole existence was to run interference for the Clintonoids has bolted .

DC Moveon has already endorsed Obama lol MoveOn Endorses Obama (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=278779)

imagine that .....and organization who's sole existance was to run interference for the Clintonoids has bolted .
Tom, I wonder if he will advertise that…what a great endorsement. :p

Wondergirl, I found this comment on Move on.:)

Yeah, apparently I voted three times for Obama and once for Hillary according to four emails I received from Move on. I wouldn't trust the results.
Posted by INDEP2008 02/01/2008 @ 11:57am

MoveOn's front page advertises Obama and asks for donations. Here is what it says when you click on the arrow:

"Obama for America

Donate $ to Barack Obama

Barack Obama won the endorsement of 70% of MoveOn members and the race for the Democratic nomination remains close. Clinton and Obama are likely to continue their struggle at least for another month, with critical primaries coming up in seven states in the next week. Obama says, "I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington... I'm asking you to believe in yours." Can you chip in? ($2300 limit, FEC ID# C00431445)"

A Marriage made in Heaven…both anti-wars…at any cost.:)

Here is your answer about Michael Moore

YouTube - Michael Moore: Morality Prohibits Vote for Sen. Clinton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGv6XBxk1IA)

Here is your answer about Michael Moore

YouTube - Michael Moore: Morality Prohibits Vote for Sen. Clinton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGv6XBxk1IA)Good video, a recommended watch. I agree with what he says. Thanks Tom.

On the positive side for Evita... Randle P. McMurphy has endorsed Nurse Ratched


HillaryClinton.com - View Post (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=34999)

on the positive side for Evita..... Randle P. McMurphy has endorsed Nurse Ratched
hahahahahahahahah... you said Nurse Ratched (sic) because that's the evil nurse on the Cuckoo's Nest movie. I see what you did there! Making a link in a way. Well done Tom!

Edit for Wondergirl: I stand corrected: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073486/)

Here is your answer about Michael Moore

YouTube - Michael Moore: Morality Prohibits Vote for Sen. Clinton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGv6XBxk1IA)

Ain't it a shame morality doesn't guide his film making?

Ain't it a shame morality doesn't guide his film making?

What's immoral about it?

What's immoral about it?Ssssh... you'll get the neocons all riled up. :D

What's immoral about it?
Mr. Moore has called Americans the “stupidest people on the planet.” Granted, that may not be immoral but it is irrational.:)

Mr. Moore has called Americans the “stupidest people on the planet.” Granted, that may not be immoral but it is irrational.:)

Now, do us a favor and put his quote into the proper context.

What's immoral about it?

Not telling the truth (http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf)?

"There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told."

And what else did he say at the same time?

"(Americans) are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pr*cks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don?t know about anything that?s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.?

"DO YOU FEEL like you live in a nation of idiots? I used to console myself about the state of stupidity in this country by repeating this to myself: Even if there are two hundred million stone-cold idiots in this country, that leaves at least eighty million who will get what I'm saying... " -- P. 85 of "Stupid White Men"

"(T)he dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American". -- Michael Moore At London?s Roundhouse Theater

Now, do us a favor and put his quote into the proper context.

From the original article:


Take his description of his fellow countrymen and their blind pursuit of the American Dream: "They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet (http://www.pushhamburger.com/mm.htm)... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pricks.

"We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing. National Geographic produced a survey which showed that 60 per cent of 18-25 year olds don't know where Great Britain is on a map. And 92 per cent of us don't own a passport."

From the original article:

Exactly!

Time to unsubscribe from this thread. Completely off topic.

And who can help this country get back into the light of knowledge and intelligence? Obama can and will!

Not only is America ready for a smart, savvy, and even wise black man as president. It NEEDS one to unite where we've been divided and to tighten up the loose ends.

And who can help this country get back into the light of knowledge and intelligence?? Obama can and will!!

Not only is America ready for a smart, savvy, and even wise black man as president. It NEEDS one to unite where we've been divided and to tighten up the loose ends.

Before we all get herded together into one big happy tent, I would like to ask: What is the purpose of this exercise? Why should we come together? There has been a lot of loose talk lately about “overcoming divisiveness” and “coming together” and “bridging gaps”. The people who talk this way need to explain what they mean, if indeed they really know what they mean. Because that does not sound like Democracy but rather fascism.

How about coming together as in "melting pot" where people of different backgrounds and cultures work together for a greater good? We do that in Libraryland by helping our communities come together in and through reading discussion groups, children's story hour, book and DVD selections, adult and children's programs, book displays, and literacy programs.

Want more examples?

u really want him to win dont u?

I didn't want kp to get this thread closed. (Was I too pushy?)

Exactly!

Exactly? Whether I own a passport has nothing to do with my intelligence. I am not blinded by any American dream, don't suffer from enforced ignorance, and I bet I can name more locations on a map then he can. And... I darn sure wouldn't go to another country and bash my fellow Americans.

That's peachy-keen and if that is what Obama is talking about fine. But what about Iraq, Iran, immigration, foreign policy, abortion, and health care?

That’s peachy-keen and if that is what Obama is talking about fine. But what about Iraq, Iran, immigration, foreign policy, abortion, and health care?

Before the election in November, you will get your fill of who plans to do what in those areas. Already Obama says he will stabilize the levees in NO if he's elected. No one seems to have done that so far since Katrina. Obama has said he wants us out of Iraq but realizes we can't just drop everything and leave (Clinton), but we shouldn't have to stay there indefinitely (McCain). Obama will negotiate with Iran and avoid a major conflict. Stay tuned to hear more!

Before the election in November, you will get your fill of who plans to do what in those areas. Already Obama says he will stabilize the levees in NO if he's elected. No one seems to have done that so far since Katrina. Obama has said he wants us out of Iraq but realizes we can't just drop everything and leave (Clinton), but we shouldn't have to stay there indefinitely (McCain). Obama will negotiate with Iran and avoid a major conflict. Stay tuned to hear more!
"For most of our history we have been blessed with a two-party system that made it inevitable that, when we divided, one side would have a majority, even if a small one, and could therefore govern. Instead of a campaign based on the fantasy of overcoming divisiveness, it would be good to learn what choices Senator Obama thinks we should make. He could use the practice. Just in case he gets elected and has to, you know, divide us."

Political Mavens » In Praise of Division (http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/02/07/in-praise-of-division/)

There has been a lot of loose talk lately about “overcoming divisiveness” and “coming together” and “bridging gaps”. The people who talk this way need to explain what they mean, if indeed they really know what they mean. Because that does not sound like Democracy but rather fascism.

Exactly... there should be some blue water distance between the political divide and we should have passionate debate . I guarantee no one debates politics in N.Korea.

Obama is all packaging . Read his book and beyond calls for bipartisanship he has the Democrat talking points down pat. Bipartisanship of course means everyone should drift leftward.

Bipartisanship of course means everyone should drift leftward.

Exactly!

I do have to question the premise that blacks aren't voting for him because he's black, or that women aren't voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Look at some stats from Super Duper Tuesday (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/05/politics/main3795497.shtml):
Look at it from this point when Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton ran for pres. There was like a 20 something percent turn out for blacks voters. Now you had an 82% turn out for Obama. I get a little upset when people think that black people are so nieve that the only reason we would vote for Obama was because he is black. A lot of blacks feel he in touch with their experiences and like I said before" I think he would eat dinner with me." He has stood and has distinct positions on all of the issues, sometimes you have to look it up for yourself . People think we just sit around and get all of our information from watching TV. Like the three whites guys I spoke of earlier.
Why would he say all of his good ideas on TV so early in the race? So people can steal them and use his catch phrases, like before? If I was a political stragatist I would not take that route either. Yes some people might vote because he is black, just like you would vote for the person you feel embodies most, or all of your views If they happen to be of your race that would just be a bonus.
There are a lot of candidates who say one thing on TV but vote another way they have a word for them call "flip floppers". If you need to now where Obama stands on an issue just let me know I tell how to find out.

No doubt the men Clinton was speaking of deserved a thorough "intellectual" beating :D

I do have to question the premise that blacks aren't voting for him because he's black, or that women aren't voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Look at some stats from Super Duper Tuesday (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/05/politics/main3795497.shtml):



Do you really think 82 percent of blacks support Obama because of what he's done or what he stands for? Same for Hillary:



I can't tell you how many times I've heard from exit polls and interviews "it's time for a black president," "we've come a long way," we're breaking down barriers," "let's give a black man (or a woman) a chance" or "I connected with Hillary" after her NH show.

Great, I'm all for those things but I would never vote for or against a candidate because of race or gender - or in the case of the GOP, a white male, a Mormon, a Baptist preacher or just because they can beat the Democrat. It sure seems to me like a whole lot of people are doing just that with little regard for the things that really matter. All of these things can be part of the equation but shouldn't be the primary factor.
Look at it from this point when Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton ran for pres. There was like a 20 something percent turn out for blacks voters. Now you had an 82% turn out for Obama. I get a little upset when people think that black people are so nieve that the only reason we would vote for Obama was because he is black. A lot of blacks feel he in touch with their experiences and like I said before" I think he would eat dinner with me." He has stood and has distinct positions on all of the issues, sometimes you have to look it up for yourself . People think we just sit around and get all of our information from watching TV. Like the three whites guys I spoke of earlier.
Why would he say all of his good ideas on TV so early in the race? So people can steal them and use his catch phrases, like before? If I was a political stragatist I would not take that route either. Yes some people might vote because he is black, just like you would vote for the person you feel embodies most, or all of your views If they happen to be of your race that would just be a bonus.
There are a lot of candidates who say one thing on TV but vote another way they have a word for them call "flip floppers". If you need to now where Obama stands on an issue just let me know I tell how to find out.

That’s peachy-keen and if that is what Obama is talking about fine. But what about Iraq, Iran, immigration, foreign policy, abortion, and health care?
If you really want to know where he stands on those issues just goggle Obama stances on issues and h is voting record. Or you can just sit around and wait for it to come TV. Trust me there is plenty of substance. If we can stop spending over 200 billion a year( in 4 years that can be over 600billion. Imagine what it could be in 100 years like Mccains says, that is how long we will be in Iraq)( I love that stance on Iraq:p ) on other things we just might can covert that into other things that will help our ecconomy, colleges, teachers, and immigration. Maybe if we could somehow convince other countries that we are doing thing for legitimate reason, we just might be able to get some help on combating terrorism. Instead of looking like we are the terrorist.( " I am not saying I think we are terrorist, before you get you feathers in an uproar, that is just how we are perceived around the most of the world.") Maybe if our talk was backed by our actions we could convince the Middle east that we really want peace for the sake of man kind and not special interest. This is what he means by "bridging gaps". Will it be easy Obama says no, but can it be done I feel it is worth the try.

time to unsubscribe from this thread. completely off topic.
Check my latest post. There is still more substance I like your input

"For most of our history we have been blessed with a two-party system that made it inevitable that, when we divided, one side would have a majority, even if a small one, and could therefore govern. Instead of a campaign based on the fantasy of overcoming divisiveness, it would be good to learn what choices Senator Obama thinks we should make. He could use the practice. Just in case he gets elected and has to, you know, divide us."

Political Mavens » In Praise of Division (http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/02/07/in-praise-of-division/)
Was it fantasy that allows you to say " Our country"? That you would have a voice in congress? To get paid equal wages with whites? To own your home? That Russia wold fall without a physical conflict... My point is that many real things start as fantasy, or in DR. Kings words a "Dream".

Clinton

That is an almost perfect Parroting of the Democratic Position; I simply disagree and especially in regards to your implication that the world is not cooperating in the War on Terror and also about Iraq.

Sarkozy, from France has this to say about America:

From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of every person.
America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: "Come, and everything will be given to you." She said: "Come, and the only limits to what you'll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent." America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant every person a second chance.
What made America great was her ability to transform her own dream into hope for all mankind.
The men and women of my generation remember the Marshall Plan that allowed their fathers to rebuild a devastated Europe. They remember the Cold War, during which America again stood as the bulwark of the Free World against the threat of new tyranny.
Fundamentally, what are those who love America asking of her, if not to remain forever true to her founding values?

Together we must fight against terrorism. On September 11, 2001, all of France—petrified with horror—rallied to the side of the American people. The front-page headline of one of our major dailies read: "We are all American." And on that day, when you were mourning for so many dead, never had America appeared to us as so great, so dignified, so strong. The terrorists had thought they would weaken you. They made you greater. The entire world felt admiration for the courage of the American people. And from day one, France decided to participate shoulder to shoulder with you in the war in Afghanistan. Let me tell you solemnly today: France will remain engaged in Afghanistan as long as it takes, because what's at stake in that country is the future of our values and that of the Atlantic Alliance. For me, failure is not an option. Terrorism will not win because democracies are not weak, because we are not afraid of this barbarism. America can count on France.
Read it all in the link I provided below…every American should read it regularly.

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress - November 7, 2007 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/66054?page_no=3)

Clinton

That is an almost perfect Parroting of the Democratic Position; I simply disagree and especially in regards to your implication that the world is not cooperating in the War on Terror and also about Iraq.

Sarkozy, from France has this to say about America:

From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of each and every person.
America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: "Come, and everything will be given to you." She said: "Come, and the only limits to what you'll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent." America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.
What made America great was her ability to transform her own dream into hope for all mankind.
The men and women of my generation remember the Marshall Plan that allowed their fathers to rebuild a devastated Europe. They remember the Cold War, during which America again stood as the bulwark of the Free World against the threat of new tyranny.
Fundamentally, what are those who love America asking of her, if not to remain forever true to her founding values?

Together we must fight against terrorism. On September 11, 2001, all of France—petrified with horror—rallied to the side of the American people. The front-page headline of one of our major dailies read: "We are all American." And on that day, when you were mourning for so many dead, never had America appeared to us as so great, so dignified, so strong. The terrorists had thought they would weaken you. They made you greater. The entire world felt admiration for the courage of the American people. And from day one, France decided to participate shoulder to shoulder with you in the war in Afghanistan. Let me tell you solemnly today: France will remain engaged in Afghanistan as long as it takes, because what's at stake in that country is the future of our values and that of the Atlantic Alliance. For me, failure is not an option. Terrorism will not win because democracies are not weak, because we are not afraid of this barbarism. America can count on France.
Read it all in the link I provided below…every American should read it regularly.

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress - November 7, 2007 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/66054?page_no=3)
Just like I said before Talk Did you read today's news"(AP) France's president Tuesday ruled out sending French troops to Iraq, following India and Germany in rejecting U.S. calls for help without approval from the United Nations.

Although a few nations are sending troops, near daily guerrilla attacks - many of them deadly - and growing doubts about the basis for the war are complicating Washington's search for peacekeepers to replace exhausted American troops in Iraq.

In Paris, President Jacques Chirac, a leading opponent of the war, told the Czech president that sending French soldiers to Iraq "cannot be imagined in the current context."

He cited comments last week by his foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, who said a French role was unthinkable without approval by the U.N. Security Council.

India also rejected a U.S. request for peacekeepers for Iraq, saying Monday it would consider such a move only under a U.N. mandate. And German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said last week that his country would consider sending peacekeepers only if asked by an interim Iraqi government or the United Nations.

"We are very consciously not with troops in Iraq," German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said Tuesday. "The German position about this did not change."

Oh yea I am not a Democrat. I am not constrained by by suck things as party lines. Are you?

Clinton

That is an almost perfect Parroting of the Democratic Position; I simply disagree and especially in regards to your implication that the world is not cooperating in the War on Terror and also about Iraq.

Sarkozy, from France has this to say about America:

From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of each and every person.
America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: "Come, and everything will be given to you." She said: "Come, and the only limits to what you'll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent." America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.
What made America great was her ability to transform her own dream into hope for all mankind.
The men and women of my generation remember the Marshall Plan that allowed their fathers to rebuild a devastated Europe. They remember the Cold War, during which America again stood as the bulwark of the Free World against the threat of new tyranny.
Fundamentally, what are those who love America asking of her, if not to remain forever true to her founding values?

Together we must fight against terrorism. On September 11, 2001, all of France—petrified with horror—rallied to the side of the American people. The front-page headline of one of our major dailies read: "We are all American." And on that day, when you were mourning for so many dead, never had America appeared to us as so great, so dignified, so strong. The terrorists had thought they would weaken you. They made you greater. The entire world felt admiration for the courage of the American people. And from day one, France decided to participate shoulder to shoulder with you in the war in Afghanistan. Let me tell you solemnly today: France will remain engaged in Afghanistan as long as it takes, because what's at stake in that country is the future of our values and that of the Atlantic Alliance. For me, failure is not an option. Terrorism will not win because democracies are not weak, because we are not afraid of this barbarism. America can count on France.
Read it all in the link I provided below…every American should read it regularly.

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress - November 7, 2007 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/66054?page_no=3)
You skipped over the points I was trying to make about "Fantasy?" Or were they always real for the native people of this country?

Clinton

You must either be a fast reader or just blew me off. :)

Whatever the case, Jacques Chirac, along with his Socialist Party are gone and good riddance.

We too must rid ourselves of the “Socialist Democratic Party” that has evolved and restore it to what it was.

I think if Obama wins he can thank -- boobs from Arkansaw

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You skipped over the points I was trying to make about "Fantasy?" Or were they always real for the native people of this country?
Didn’t skip over it, it wasn’t there when I last looked.:)

I’ll quote Sarkozy again.

America's strength is not only a material strength, it is first and foremost a spiritual and moral strength. No one expressed this better than a black pastor who asked just one thing of America: that she be true to the ideal in whose name he—the grandson of a slave—felt so deeply American. His name was Martin Luther King. He made America a universal role model.
The world still remembers his words—words of love, dignity and justice. America heard those words and America changed.

Clinton

You must either be a fast reader or just blew me off. :)

Whatever the case, Jacques Chirac, along with his Socialist Party are gone and good riddance.

We too must rid ourselves of the “Socialist Democratic Party” that has evolved and restore it to what it was.
But France has not sent any troops to Iraq. The troops they have in Afganistand are only show troops. We are doing 75% of the founding and man power in the war on terror.

Didn’t skip over it, it wasn’t there when I last looked.:)

I’ll quote Sarkozy again.

America's strength is not only a material strength, it is first and foremost a spiritual and moral strength. No one expressed this better than a black pastor who asked just one thing of America: that she be true to the ideal in whose name he—the grandson of a slave—felt so deeply American. His name was Martin Luther King. He made America a universal role model.
The world still remembers his words—words of love, dignity and justice. America heard those words and America changed.
Starting with a dream, hope, or Fantasy as whites at that time would have called it. Hey did you notice how Hillary won the big states( big money) and Obama the small states(the little people) can you see the analergy?

Starting with a dream, hope, or Fantasy as whites at that time would have called it. Hey did you notice how Hillary won the big states( big money) and Obama the small states(the little people) can you see the analergy?
I have a Dream too. That one day the people in the mid-East will enjoy the same kind of Democracy we in America have. Unfortunately the Socialist Democrats don’t share that Dream. If Obama shares that Dream he’s with the wrong Party..

Yep, I noticed that. :)

I truly don't think so. All the racist haven't died off yet.

One thing is for sure . At this point substance has not defined this race

Would a white man who only had local political experience and then less than a full term in the Senate have a chance at being the party nominee ?

Would Hillary be a legit nominee if she was not the wife of a former President ?

Heck ;would a 71 year old women be in consideration for the job ?

I will repeat what I have said ;I read Obama's latest book . That is where I found his policy positions. Beyond the constant pointing out that in his view Washington doesn't work well (a quick impression no doubt from his apx one year in office experience before he began penning it. ) ; there was nothing that he wrote that wasn't right out of the Democrat talking points.

Now there is an interesting endorsement in last months Atlantic Magazine by Andrew Sullivan Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama)

My impression was that he thought that Obama's campaign is such a symbolic break from the past ,that the symbolism trumps the substance.

Wondergirl agrees: Ok, c'mon. Just campaign and vote for the guy. He's head and shoulders over the others, literally as well as philosophically.

Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"

one thing is for sure . at this point substance has not defined this race

Would a white man who only had local political experience and then less than a full term in the Senate have a chance at being the party nominee ?

Would Hillary be a legit nominee if she was not the wife of a former President ?

Heck ;would a 71 year old women be in consideration for the job ?

I will repeat what I have said ;I read Obama's latest book . That is where I found his policy positions. Beyond the constant pointing out that in his view Washington doesn't work well (a quick impression no doubt from his apx one year in office experience before he began penning it. ) ; there was nothing that he wrote that wasn't right out of the Democrat talking points.

Now there is an interesting endorsement in last months Atlantic Magazine by Andrew Sullivan Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama)

My impression was that he thought that Obama's campaign is such a symbolic break from the past ,that the symbolism trumps the substance.

Would a white man who only had local political experience and then less than a full term in the Senate have a chance at being the party nominee ?
I guess that would depend on what kind of message he is sending. Are you trying to say that you don't need a message to get the Kenned's on your side. You don't need a message to win the majority of states and delegets? Just maybe these people are reading something more than his book. Or all you have to be is black( now that is funny!) ?

Good article Tom, in it I read:

“Consider this hypothetical. It's November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America's soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama's face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.”

I agree he would be a crude weapon but his thinking that it would be effective shows the author's ignorance of the situation in the Middle-East.

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Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"
He might not deserve your vote, in your pinion. He gets my vote because I feel he can relate to me.( that is one but not all my reasons) I am not here to convert people just state why I am voting for him. I hope other people take the same stance.

Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"

Two major "things," paraphrased from obsidianwings.blog.com --

Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored really good legislation on topics that aren't wildly sexy, but do matter (e.g. lead paint controls, nonproliferation, Avian flu, regulating genetic testing, reducing medical malpractice suits the right way, vets' health care). His bills tend to have the following features: they are good and thoughtful bills that try to solve real problems; they are in general not terribly flashy; and they tend to focus on achieving solutions acceptable to all concerned, not by compromising on principle, but by genuinely trying to craft a solution that everyone can get behind.

His legislation is often proposed with Republican co-sponsorship: he is bipartisan in a good way. Obama tries to find people, both Democrats and Republicans, who actually care about a particular issue enough to try to get the policy right, and then he works with them. This does not involve compromising on principle. It does, however, involve preferring getting legislation passed to having a spectacular battle. (This is especially true when one is in the minority party, especially in this Senate: the chances that Obama's bills will actually become law increase dramatically when he has Republican co-sponsors.)

Interesting take:

“Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the non-profit Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, or BOND, told Cybercast News Service that he doesn't want the first African-American president to hold values that are detrimental to the black community.

"Abortion is genocide," Peterson said. "It has had a greater affect on the African American community than slavery itself. For Barack Obama to support abortion shows a lack of love for the black community and especially for the unborn."

Childress agreed that just being African-American doesn't make Obama the right person to be president.

"Martin Luther King said of his daughter that he didn't want her to be judged by the color of her skin, but by the content of her character," said Childress. "People are applauding Obama because of the color of his skin and not his character."”

Obama's Abortion Stance Hurts Blacks, Say Pro-Life Experts -- 01/08/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200801/CUL20080108a.html)

Why Republicans like Obama and what it means


Barack Obama is not only popular among Democrats, he's also an appealing figure to many Republicans. Former GOP House member Joe Scarborough, now a host on MSNBC, reports that after every important Obama speech, he is inundated with e-mails praising the speech — with most of them coming from Republicans.
Why Republicans like Obama and what it means | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5516076.html)

There is and always has been cross-over. That's nothing new NK

There is and always has been cross-over. That’s nothing new NKI hope some of those that crossover don't think that abortion is genocide and worse than slavery for black people.

Walter Hoye runs the Issues4Life Foundation in the San Francisco Bay area, an organization he said is designed to create and facilitate dialog about life in the African- American community.

"Abortion is the No. 1 cause of death in the African-American community," Hoye told Cybercast News Service. He added that the 2006 census shows that the black population in the United States has fallen below the numbers needed to sustain it.

"We are below the replacement rate," Hoye said. "We don't call it genocide to excite people. But it's a concern we have and it's become an issue that needs to be addressed nationally."

He added that he is hurt and disappointed by Obama's pro-abortion platform

So why aren't they jailing the mothers for murder?

Childress told Cybercast News Service, referring to Obama's vote against the Born Alive Victims Protection Act, a federal law that gives rights to newborns who survive late-term abortion. "Abortion affects the African-American community more than any other ethnic group in the country," said Childress.

Perhaps not needing an abortion in the first place would be the way to go?

Two major "things," paraphrased from obsidianwings.blog.com --

Thanks Wondergirl, but that still tells me virtually nothing. Based on that paraphrase Bush should be looking a lot better right now.

Why Republicans like Obama and what it means


Why Republicans like Obama and what it means | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5516076.html)

Ah, the emotional factor. I'd rather vote for the best candidate, not the one with that "charms" me the most. The last paragraph speaks volumes:


Barack Obama is among the most impressive political talents of our lifetime. If he defeats Hillary Clinton, the question for the general election is not whether he can transcend his race but whether he can reach beyond his ideology.

But Wondergirl... you want to take away something that feels good? Or put it in a bag like garbage? Besides haven't you heard that sex education classes in school aren't successful in lowering rates of pregnancy... so if people aren't learning from those teachings, can we assume that there must be some blatent disregard for the information, a learning disability, or preference for having the precedure over the other options? Or is it simply that many people prefer not to think about or deal with the consequences of their actions until they are forced to?

As long as the option is there for people to put off responsibility... seems like many people are pretty happy not to have to think ahead.

I'm not trying to lump all people into the same category, there will be people who don't fit my above description, and benefit from the option, but I believe those people are certainly less than half.

you want to take away something that feels good?

Well, back in my day, most of us were willing to wait for marriage, or at least a solid relationship. Of course, not having birth control devices readily available (some not even invented yet) probably helped. Back then, family and church were major parts of a teen's life. That seems to have changed.

Petting a Siberian tiger probably feels good too, but you won't catch me doing it.


can we assume that there must be some blatent disregard for the information, a learning disability, or preference for having the precedure over the other options?

Better would be to assume that there is something wrong with the classes and how the material is taught. Visit classes at your local schools. Talk to teens in your neighborhood. Ask for opinions about and the efficacy of sex ed classes. You will get an eyeful and an earful.

I completely agree Wondergirl. I'm not saying you are wrong. I was trying to imagine what some of the people's reasoning is...

Back when I had one of those sex classes... the teacher blushed and said, "Oh, heck you boys probably no more about this than I do..." He put up a few transparencies naming body parts and that was the end of it.

I completely agree Wondergirl. I'm not saying you are wrong.

I know, oneguy. You and I usually agree more than disagree. I was preaching to the masses.

(Wouldn't it be great if everyone had as much sense as you and I do?? )

Now, we need to get this thread back on track with Clint's original question, so some wandering moderator doesn't end it.

I just know Obama would improve the quality of sex education in public schools.

I just know Obama would improve the quality of sex education in public schools.

Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?

Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?

Obama sponsored sex education legislation in the Illinois Senate that supported "local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork" and "teaching kindergarteners about 'inappropriate touching.'"

From Obama and sex ed for kids - The Body Odd - msnbc.com (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/19/277886.aspx) --

The Obama campaign gave this statement to CBN's David Brody: "Barack Obama supports sensible, community-driven education for children because, among other things, he believes it could help protect them from pedophiles. A child's knowledge of the difference between appropriate and inappropriate touching is crucial to keeping them safe from predators."

From The Reaction: Obama, sex education, and the inevitable smears (http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2007/07/obama-sex-education-and-inevitable.html) --

What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.

What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea.... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.

Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men (http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=55871), what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?

"age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," is just another example of symbolism with-out substance. They mean different things to different people. Everyone can agree with the symbolism but the division begins when we get to substance.

Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men (http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=55871), what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?

Not necessarily. Safe sex = abstinence.

I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..

I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..

But would he teach it?

But would he teach it?

Yes. He has two daughters. I'm sure he would want each of them to choose abstinence until they found the right guy.

I want the best person also. To me the person that can cross party lines and gain support would be the person of my choice. I like a person who makes me feel like they would sit down and eat dinner with me.

Be real, none of those white people would sit down and eat with you if the cameras aren't there. This country of ours (which is the best in the world) is still one of the most racist places in the world. Black people have bent over backwards to be accepted and white people haven't done that yet. That man is just as qualified as anyone else running for President. The only way he will be elected is if the powers that be says he will. Don't let them fool you.

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
Choice.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
In Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. a black MUSLIM
From Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
Years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
Mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
Attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
Quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
That he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
Influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
To Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
Influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
Introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
In Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
Terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
It is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
Public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
The United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
Background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
Will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
Over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
Candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
Out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!

He has attended and is a member of the Trinity Unity Church of Christ all this time as a deception? He sure has all of us fooled!!

There are plenty of reasons to vote against him . But this religion card is a false smear .

Give me one solid piece of proof that he is a practicing Muslim besides this rediiculous assertion that because his father was one then by association he is one. The charge that he was sworn in using the Koran is an outright lie.
Press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own Bible. Vice President Cheney administered the oath. I guarantee he would've brought it up by now if it were true. Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison is the congressman who swore in on the Koran ;not Obama. Urban Legends Reference Pages: Who Is Barack Obama? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp)

What does "black" have anything to do with it?

With all this talk, I half expect to see the name on the ballot written as Balack Obama... Not that I think it would matter... He'll still defeat Hitlery

What does "black" have anything to do with it?


I also agree with that, what does "black" have to do with anything? I think most of America feels that way. But I think, not very sure and probably shouldn't speak for the black community, but it may be possible that it is very exciting for the black community. Not to say the community would favor him because of his race, but he would be the very first black President, and with all the struggles the community faced in our history, this may be huge for African Americans.

I have to admit, when I first heard Hillary was running, I thought... Uh oh... as I kiddingly said, you know how us females can get. Mad as heck one minute and may even lash out and then afterwards, we get all teary eyed saying, I'm so sorry, I really didn't mean that. I thought we all need to run for the hills :p

In truth, I did take the time to watch some of the debates, and I have to tell you, Hillary holds her own and has impressed me. I do love and admire strong women, although that would not make me vote for her, but she did impress me.

The fact that she was female... and I'm female... and it would be the first female... didn't really get me excited... until recently. There is a little part of me inside, beaming with some pride that a female may be President and a part of me thinks that's pretty awesome and does excite me just a little. But it still would not be my reason to vote for her. Not saying I am not... I am still undecided.

So, I'm thinking, it may be the same for the black communtiy, perhaps in their heart of hearts there is a light of excitement... can't say I blame them.

Well, I'm not sure we are. But were most definitely ready for a women. And not a Republican either. So he is the next best thing?

I think America is, I'm not an Americain citizen, but my only concern is that the voters won't choose him because of the rate of racisim in America.

What does "black" have anything to do with it?
I agree, what does "black" have to do with it? I've seen him on plenty of talk shows, he's an amazing man.

Is America ready for a black president?Hello clinton:

It's the wrong question.

When our founding fathers established this great nation, they didn't ask the world whether it was ready for something they had never seen before. They KNEW it was ready.

I'm damn glad, too.

excon

Ok so here are my two cents and unfortunately it may not be a popular answer. I can not answer the above question because America is made up of social pockets. I can not pretend to speak for someone from Seattle or Austin or from New Orleans. I happen to live in the north east and the truthful answer in this part of the country is no. I will sight the New Hampshire primary as my example. Obama was going to crush Hilary by over a double digit percentage. But what happened? People said one thing and did what they were comfortable with. The North East is full of small towns and quaint villages, the truth is that if a black male is walking down the street or is in the store, they are given multiple looks. People are just not comfortable with it due to stereo types. But this is not just a black thing, I see it with middle easterners, people of mexican or central american heritage as well. Is it right? Of course not, but it's reality.

I don't like Obama because there is more to him than meets the eye. Wake up America.

Go Hillary!

I don't like Obama because there is more to him than meets the eye. Wake up America.

Such as?

Such as?
Haven't you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/black-president-180620-17.html#post872316

I agree with any color but not a woman. Woman shall not rule a country!!
I guess your agree with me. Rate .

Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/black-president-180620-17.html#post872316

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I think it will be wonderful if he gets in. I think it will certainly aid in the US's somewhat tarnished (rightly or wrongly) reputation and how they are viewed by many around the world. His ability to unite people I think will far outweigh any question marks on his experience. And I like what I think excon says. His lack of experience makes him the right man for the job.

And i like what i think excon says.

Ah! You've discovered excon is a pretty savvy fellow.

I agree with any color but not a woman. Woman shall not rule a country!!!!
I guess your agree with me. rate .
I agree that color should not matter. Also being a woman should not matter either. A woman gave you birth. Show some damn respect.:mad:

Is America ready for a black president?

I don't think that it matters whether they are black and white color is just a color just like blue or red I think that if he's is going to be the one to turn this country around and get past this war cramp then yeah I mean there is other things besides that to but yeah a black president would good

I agree that color should not matter. Also being a woman should not matter either. A woman gave you birth. Show some damn respect.:mad:
Dude read bible,

Yes, I have read the bible, OT perhaps the book of Ruth who was a judge over the people. The bible has no rules on civil authorities but has to many rules about women being over men on religious matters.

Since except for OT rules, the bible does not have requirements for civil rulers, except that we are to obey them.

Interesting take:

“Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the non-profit Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, or BOND, told Cybercast News Service that he doesn't want the first African-American president to hold values that are detrimental to the black community.

"Abortion is genocide," Peterson said. "It has had a greater affect on the African American community than slavery itself. For Barack Obama to support abortion shows a lack of love for the black community and especially for the unborn."

Childress agreed that just being African-American doesn't make Obama the right person to be president.

"Martin Luther King said of his daughter that he didn't want her to be judged by the color of her skin, but by the content of her character," said Childress. "People are applauding Obama because of the color of his skin and not his character."”

Obama's Abortion Stance Hurts Blacks, Say Pro-Life Experts -- 01/08/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200801/CUL20080108a.html)
Obama supports the right for a person to make their own decisions on abortion. That is different from saying that he would allow his wife to have one.
I am against abortions!! But I will not tell someone else they can not have one. Definitely do not now want my government or someone who does not know all the variables involved to make that decisions for others

Ah, the emotional factor. I'd rather vote for the best candidate, not the one with that "charms" me the most. The last paragraph speaks volumes:
You can learn how to do paper work, but to inspire people to rise hire than they thought...
Question Who would you rather work for, a manager with a lot of expeirence but does not express that experience in a way that get workers motivated and actuallyboggs down production and efficiency. Or a manager who has some expeirance< but also hires expienced workers and has the ability to inspire those works to make something happen, i.e. boost efficiency?

Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/black-president-180620-17.html#post872316
And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
choice.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!

Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/black-president-180620-17.html#post872316
And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!

dude read bible,

Dude get a life!

dude read bible,
Dude, dudette here, dude you are on the wrong thread... try the religious forum.

2008 women do not have to walk behind men or obey! We can drive, work and even VOTE for whom we choose.

Dude, dudette here, dude you are on the wrong thread...try the religious forum.
2008 women do not have to walk behind men or obey! We can drive, work and even VOTE for whom we choose.

Women really get to vote? I thought they just let them cast a ballot but just throw them out to let them think their vote was counting.

But that is about as beleivable as so many of the lies on Obama, Now I am a republician, so I don't like him or Hillary for president, but the silly lies about him. Is there some relastonship between aeras that believe this and UFO sightings.

Fr. Ha ha cute post. This past spring our polls had electronic/computerized ballot counters. <---not sure what they are called but pretty spiffy. We still had to use the paper ballots but after we filled them out instead of handing them to the poll dudettes we fed them into the machine.
Is my town behind times, right in sync or ahead of other towns?

That is why they want the new computer ones, they can tell the DNA from your touch, tell if you are male or female, get a copy of your finger print and secretly inplant that CIA tracking device as you push the buttom.

I felt cheated in this primary, they had all these new electronic machines, gave us something that looked like a credit card to push into the machine, and only the one issue, no local issues on the ballot at all. But it was nice, they had one for those who don't see well,

Ok seems like I stirred up some stink on here.. Look I didn't write that post. There was a guy that wrote it in another forum I belong to. We gave him down the road for writing it. I know most of it is not true. Well probably 90 percent isn't! Lol I was going to post another answer later but got tied up and didn't do it. Sorry... I'm not going to vote for him nor Monica's ex boyfriend's wife. Reminds me of a movie I once watched--Dumb and dumber-- So now everyone jump on this answer too. Thank you and have a good day!

Hello wild:

The only dumb one here is the one spreading lies. And, he admits that he's a liar too, but blames somebody else for writing it.

He's a piece of ka ka.

excon

wilddog27, it just takes someone to read the posts you've made at this website to realize that it's unlikely someone else made that post.

Obama?

Great style, what substance?


For example

In January 2007

The Time Has Come for Universal Health Care | U.S. Senator Barack Obama (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070125-the_time_has_co/)

I love this line :

"So where's all that money going? We know that a quarter of it - one out of every four health care dollars - is spent on non-medical costs; mostly bills and paperwork"

Is he familiar with IRS forms? Especially if you are a small business owner? And he wants more government involvement. Hooray !



Then in November.
Obama Statement on Veterans' Affairs Committee Hearing on Marion VA Hospital | U.S. Senator Barack Obama (http://obama.senate.gov/press/071106-obama_statement_99/)

This is a form of universal healthcare, one in his home state. This is just great.


Obama on energy

Barack Obama chats with Grist about energy independence and ethanol | By David Roberts | Grist | Main Dish | 21 Mar 2006 (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/03/21/roberts/)


Does he not trust the free market and consumers to decide what kind of vehicle they buy or is available? If an automaker can't compete why should taxpayors suppport it?

What Would Barack Obama Drive? - Feature / Features/Classic Cars / High Performance / Hot Lists / Reviews / Car and Driver - Car And Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_cars/what_would_barack_obama_drive_feature)

He drives a hemi 300c [ I can respect him for that ] but:

"The question here is not how Obama can say Detroit needs to build more-fuel-efficient cars while driving a 21-mpg hog, but whether the American people prefer a hypocritical president or one who can't distinguish between hype and truth. "

This is not as bad as Edward's $400 haircuts while on the "poverty tour" though.

Actually, he's not, wilddog. I've known excon for a long time. He may be a little misguided regarding the presidential elections, but doofus he definitely is not.

Lol I love this post. I got some s@%! Stirred up. Oh well. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Surely not me or the con or anyone. Sorry for the stir up. I'm not going to look at this post anymore.lol

Of course it matters what you think. And if you are in favor of Obama, you and I will get along just fine!

Of course it matters what you think. And if you are in favor of Obama, you and I will get along just fine!
Haha well guess we won't get along! But that doesn't matter either. Lol I said I wasn't going to look at this thread anymore. But it was tempting since I'd just left it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That's part of living in the USA lol

Well, I'm a gregarious person and you seem to be too. Stop by for milk and cookies during the week. I won't talk about Obama (unless you want to).

Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/black-president-180620-17.html#post872316

Ha Ha HA! He is a little late! The American government was hijacked years ago. If he is elected president it's only because he belongs to that club. Words out though, Hellary is their gal. We'll see.

Obama is a joke. I have no respect for him because he is nothing more than a pompous arse. That and because he steals speeches. I hope Hillary Clinton kicks his arse.

Obama is a joke. I have no respect for him because he is nothing more than a pompous arse. That and because he steals speeches. I hope Hillary Clinton kicks his arse.

So, what exactly are you trying to say?

So, what exactly are you trying to say?


LOL -

Keep up, he's voting for Barrack!! Sheesh have to explain eeeeeverything:D

Oh.

Oh.

:D

That and because he steals speeches.Any proof there cowboy?

Devon Lohan Entertainment: Barack Obama will steal your speech! (http://devonlohan.com/2008/02/barack-obama-will-steal-your-speech.html)

Seems like he got permission to use the speech so it wasn't theft...

Damn it I was aiming towards that. :D
Here's another link to the non-story: The Raw Story | Deval Patrick: I asked Obama to use my words (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deval_Patrick_I_asked_Obama_to_0219.html)

And so the Clinton campaign moves on to the next desperate non issue, in attempt to save their sinking ship. Alas...

Just another spin by the Clintons to paint the racist picture of a thieving black man... It doesn't matter to them if they have any proof, only if they can sway a few votes their way... Haven't the Clintons been caught often enough with their pants down in the hen house (or Whitehouse perhaps) to know better?

This guy brings out interesting comments from the lowest common denominator, this forum included. Very telling.

Who is it that you consider the lowest common denominator? And who is the guy that is bringing out those comments?

In my definition I was thinking of those that can't see past the colour or the fact that he's a democrat, they attempt to derail and spread disinformation just because. I guess I'm using the definition here (under figurative) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_common_denominator)

I don't think Race is really a concern for the president. In my opinion religion is a bigger concern. Yes I think America could handle a black President. No I don't think Obama should be president. Obama refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Yet he wants to run the country. He want us to use the Muslim bible. Which our country was not built upon. I have nothing against Muslims. My best friend is Muslim. But in my opinion Obama doesn't like our country he just wants to change it. I wouldn't care if our President was black. But I do care if our president is Obama.

How many Muslim people do you think would deny their religion and profess to be Christian simply to fool other people?

Here's some reading for you to find out what Obama says about the pledge stuff you brought up... more spin...

Did Barack Obama Refuse to Say the Pledge of Allegiance? - Associated Content (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/438987/did_barack_obama_refuse_to_say_the.html)

XXXlovecanhurXXX, it is obvoius you do not follow any news or even listen to The far right talk shows. Obama does say the pleadge of allegiance, there is an issue if or if not he put his hand over his heart and no he does not use a muslim bible ( actually this is a quaran) he uses a King James bible, you are confusing another congressperson and him.

So please I have reported your post since this is a more open forum, but you are either lying on purpose or just believe eamils sent out form hate groups with no truth in them.

** note I am not even a democrat, would not vote for him, but at least dislike him for real political reasons, for to liberal.