I honestly and sincerely ask this question. When people from other countries hold “discussions” on OUR Country and it is in a negative light….. why is that okay? Furthermore, why would Americans join in on the “discussion”.

My feeling on this is, regardless if the points are accurate or not, is it not the highest form of disrespect to opening “discuss” and sometimes with great animosity, areas of our country, knowing Americans will see and view? I for one think it is insensitive and I also find it unacceptable.

If the discussions were initiated with a sincere gesture of seeking understanding, that would be different. On the flip side, I would find it just as disrespectful, if Americans time after time after time, bashed, pointed out, areas of concern, of other countries’ practices, Government, leaders and such in a negative light on the same consistent basis that is done to our Country.

If Americans wish to discuss our Country and the areas in need of improvement, that is their right and illustrates Freedom of Speech.

I do not mean any of this harshly but I think we as American’s give an impression and perhaps a false impression, that anything goes.

I respect, in some cases, admire and have a deep interest in learning about other countries and the people that make their particular country unique, special and incredibly interesting, I am only asking for the same level of respect in return.

I know I don’t have to participate or read or enter a discussion, but I just need to make my point of view heard that……This American, finds it to be unacceptable, rude and disrespectful.

Thank you for reading my view - It actually does come from the heart. I love my country,
For all that it is, I am proud and grateful. It is a great country, but it is a great country, one of many. I do not feel superior to any other country, I just love the country in which I was born.

I truly am so incredibly curious as to how others feel about this.

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I honestly and sincerely ask this question. When people from other countries hold “discussions” on OUR Country and it is in a negative light…..why is that okay? Furthermore, why would Americans join in on the “discussion”.

My feeling on this is, regardless if the points are accurate or not, is it not the highest form of disrespect to opening “discuss” and sometimes with great animosity, areas of our country, knowing Americans will see and view? I for one think it is insensitive and I also find it unacceptable.

If the discussions were initiated with a sincere gesture of seeking understanding, that would be different. On the flip side, I would find it just as disrespectful, if Americans time after time after time, bashed, pointed out, areas of concern, of other countries’ practices, Government, leaders and such in a negative light on the same consistent basis that is done to our Country.

If Americans wish to discuss our Country and the areas in need of improvement, that is their right and illustrates Freedom of Speech.

I do not mean any of this harshly but I think we as American’s give an impression and perhaps a false impression, that anything goes.

I respect, in some cases, admire and have a deep interest in learning about other countries and the people that make their particular country unique, special and incredibly interesting, I am only asking for the same level of respect in return.

I know I don’t have to participate or read or enter in a discussion, but I just need to make my point of view heard that……This American, finds it to be unacceptable, rude and disrespectful.

Thank you for reading my view - It actually does come from the heart. I love my country,
for all that it is, I am proud and grateful. It is a great country, but it is a great country, one of many. I do not feel superior to any other country, I just love the country in which I was born.

I truly am so incredibly curious as to how others feel about this.


Think that you just answered your own question there!

Think that you just answered your own question there!

No, Marydoll, I do not mean Americans, I mean people NOT from this country freely basing us.

Im Irish and I think That Ive have Freedon of speech too..

Im Irish and I think That Ive have Freedon of speech too.... ?

To Bash America? Do you live here? Are you an American?

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I am not saying that all people do not have a right to say what they choose, I am just saying that I find it rude, unacceptable, and disrespectful. Just as I would if an American continuously openly said negative things about another country without any regard to the audience and with zero respect.

No Im not american, I don't live there.

Im Irish I have a right to my Opinion. I don't agree with anything that The american Government has done with years. I think that America looks out for its own and that's about it...

What good has america ever done in the world?

America is a great country. But we are very "young" especially on the west coast.

When I first visited Europe, I was amazed at how calmly tolerant people were. The kids, especially, amazed me with their down-to-earth maturity and decency. The rudeness of kids was there, but controlled. They were so different from American teens, I was flabbergasted. They were aware that their actions and words had a profound effect on everyone around them. We Americans generally are not aware as our first thoughts, like any child are about ourselves.

The discussions we had about American culture there, were illuminating to say the least. First off, they mostly all spoke English. The ones who did not were older and had not learned it in school, or had forgotten a lot. Yet, the older folks were kind and patient as well. They were respectful of differences and showed a sense of humor when things got weird.

When I am here, in America I cringe when someone says "you're in America, learn the language." Americans, compared to Europeans, in my experience are rude, pushy impatient, undisciplined and thoughtless in the extreme. Yeah, that's just my take on it. But if people want to talk down to Americans, perhaps it is because we don't have the maturity to come back at them on an adult level. They talk down to us because we behave like selfish children most of the time.

America is a great country. But we are very "young" especially on the west coast.

When I first visited Europe, I was amazed at how calmly tolerant people were. The kids, especially, amazed me with their down-to-earth maturity and decency. The rudeness of kids was there, but controlled. They were so different from American teens, I was flabbergasted. They were aware that their actions and words had a profound effect on everyone around them. We Americans generally are not aware as our first thoughts, like any child are about ourselves.

The discussions we had about American culture there, were illuminating to say the least. First off, they mostly all spoke English. The ones who did not were older and had not learned it in school, or had forgotten a lot. Yet, the older folks were kind and patient as well. They were respectful of differences and showed a sense of humor when things got weird.

When I am here, in America I cringe when someone says "you're in America, learn the language." Americans, compared to Europeans, in my experience are rude, pushy impatient, undisciplined and thoughtless in the extreme. Yeah, that's just my take on it. But if people want to talk down to Americans, perhaps it is because we don't have the maturity to come back at them on an adult level. They talk down to us because we behave like selfish children most of the time.

Hi Simoneauge,

I do undertand what your are saying. But I find it rude and incredibly unbecoming behaviour for someone not from America to speak so negatively about Americans, openly to Americans. Is that not rude, immature and uncivilized. I am not comparing cultures.

I had many interactions with Internationals, on our soil, and I was sure to know all about their culture, to ensure that I was showing the highest form of respect. That is all I am asking in return.

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I am not saying that all people have a right to say what they choose, I am just saying that I find it rude, unacceptable, and disrespectful. Just as I would if an American continously openly said negative things about another country without any regard to the audience and with zero respect.


I don't bash other countries, The only thing that I bash is the government. Most People in America are fine but the government... My god! Even though I guess Americans are to blame for that too seeing as they elected them!! :confused:

When I am here, in America I cringe when someone says "you're in America, learn the language."


That's just it in a nutshell, what I am trying to say. You cringe and rightly so and I would cringe right with you. Why? Because saying something like that is wrong, rude, ignorant and not dignified.

Most Americans do have that cringe filter. We are considerate when speaking to ensure that we don't offend. We are conscious of the fact that there are differences but most enjoy learning about the differences and embracing that knowledge.

When it comes to some not from this country, they do not cringe. They gleefully point out our difficulties, they attempt to put us down.

I would embrace a mature thoughtful discussion in an international setting. We could learn about ourselves with the exchange of a thoughtful dialogue. But sadly, it is never presented thoughtful, but more antognistic and accusatory.

Simoneaugie , I would be cringing right with you and proud to do so.

Ok Im sorry but I think that we have the right to speak about america and say what we want about it, reason being America basically have the ability to rule the world if needs be. It has the biggest army, access to nuclear weapons etc. Of course we can talk about Americans!

We watch the news every day and see all the horror that is happening in Afganistan and Iraq. We see that Americans have Invaded a country and have ended up killing so many innocent men, women and children, not just from those countries but America is sending their own children there too! We see this every single day, maybe The US news broadcasts aren't as detailed as ours.

America has the ability to start a world war, America has the ability to end the world if mistakes are made.

We can say whatever we want about America just as you can say whatever you want about another country.

G'day I see where you are coming from. I'm from Australia and I believe that the world leaders have effect on other countries opinions as well as the media. This is no disrespect to you or your country at all on my behalf but all we hear from the media is all the bad stuff that happens in america. We don't hear anything good. america I'm sure is a great place and nice things should be heard and not the bad things. There was an incident of a few americans he were ambushed in iraq and then 3 australians from the sas came in and saved them. And the americans thanked them and couldn't believe how the aussies took them out and they couldn't. The australians looked down on them for this but I can guarantee you change them around the australians would be thanking you n the americans wuld aprreciate the gesture. Please correct me if I'm rong but I believe youv put a good topic to talk about,

Ok Im sorry but I think that we have the right to speak about america and say what we want about it, reason being America basically have the ability to rule the world if needs be. It has the biggest army, access to nuclear weapons ect. Of course we can talk about Americans!!

We watch the news every day and see all the horror that is happening in Afganistan and Iraq. We see that Americans have Invaded a country and have ended up killing so many innocent men, women and children, not just from those countries but America is sending their own children there too! We see this every single day, maybe The US news broadcasts arent as detailed as ours.

America has the ability to start a world war, America has the ability to end the world if mistakes are made.

We can say whatever we want about America just as you can say whatever you want about another country.
Yes, you have absolutely every right to say what you want about whom you want…100% agree with you there.

My point is, the manner and motivation behind what is said and when, where and who is present.

Again, if it is to learn, gain understanding, even expressing frustration, as long as it is done with respect, that is a healthy dialogue that could have positive results.
If it is done other then that, I am saying, that as an American it is disrespectful and the person communicating the negative comments with ill will behind them comes off as undignified and rude.

But yes, one has a right to say what one chooses as long as they know, they wear their words.

G'day i see where you are coming from. im from Australia and i believe that the world leaders have effect on other countries opinions as well as the media. this is no disrespect to you or your country at all on my behalf but all we hear from the media is all the bad stuff that happens in america. we dont hear anything good., america im sure is a great place and nice things should be heard and not the bad things. There was an incident of a few americans he were ambushed in iraq and then 3 australians from the sas came in and saved them. and the americans thanked them and couldnt believe how the aussies took them out n they couldnt. the australians looked down on them for this but i can garantee u change them around the australians would be thanking u n the americans wuld aprreciate the gesture. please correct me if im rong but i believe youv put a good topic to talk about,


Hi Novak,

Thank you so much for your thoughts and understanding. It is refreshing. I do agree with all that you have said. I have interacted with many Australians and every interaction was absolutely wonderful. I have the highest respect and admiration
For all of you.

I guess what I am saying that when people voice such a harsh negative impression of America and even our Government, to be mindful that Americans are people too and
Try to contribute to this world positively and if we could change those things that need changing we would.

Novak, thank you again.

I wouldn't take it too personally. People aren't directing it at you or the american people, Its more at the Government that anyone else.

I think that its out of Frustration more than anything else that things are said... People aren't being rude. It must be the cultural difference that makes you see it like that.

I think most understand the difference between the administration and the regular american guy. I'm quite certain people are frustrated with the administration and not all americans.

I do understand what you are saying NK. But even to speak poorly about our Government, at the frequency at which it is done, is at a minimum uncomfortable, at least for me. As Marydoll pointed out, Americans (okay not all) did elect those in the administration, so indirectly we, as Americans are being bashed as well.

If you were frustrated with your respective countries and your leaders, I surely wouldn't add to the negatively and make mock of your leaders, out of respect for you and your country . I would be immensely uncomfortable saying anything negative about your culture. I would just be intriqued and want to learn more about the simalarites and differences.

I guess I just don't think it is proper to contuially “undress” another's country and all that it entails.

So many have gone before and to try and make this country as well as the world free and a better place, and I guess out of respect for those incredible individuals, as well as the Americans today also trying to make this a better place, perhaps just a little sensitivity, respect and maybe even restraint, when we do experience difficult times and have issues that need fixing.

[QUOTE=Allheart]I would be immensely uncomfortable saying anything negative about your culture. I would just be intriqued and want to learn more about the simalarites and differences.

I guess I just don’t think it is proper to contuially “undress” another’s country and all that it entails.
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I think that once you find out about another countries and if you find faul, you have every right to speak about it in a bad way. I for one would not get personally insulted if you were to say something negative about Ireland once you knew what you were talking about!

Hello All:

There are some who think bashing your leaders is good. There are others who think bashing your leaders, or anyone else's for that matter, is bad.

You hear members of the second group all the time, even here. You might even be one of them. They challenge your patriotism if you don't support the government. They think you shouldn't open your mouth about the things you see that are wrong. They see that as “bashing”.

You can, Allheart my friend, count me as a member of the first group. I think bashing your leaders is good. In fact, I think dissent is one of the MOST patriotic activities a citizen can participate in – yes, even more patriotic than voting.

Indeed, going along and keeping your mouth shut is an anathema to liberty.

So, I will continue to "undress" my country and its leaders as loudly as I can and for as long as I can. And I'm proud to do so. I'm not going to stop my undressing at the borders either.

Please understand, I'm not talking about bashing people or their culture. That's racism. I'm talking about bashing their politics and their governments.

excon

Hell excon,

Allheart thinks that its wrong for others to speak badly of a country that there not from...

Hello All:

There are some who think bashing your leaders is good. There are others who think bashing your leaders, or anyone else’s for that matter, is bad.

You hear members of the second group all the time, even here. You might even be one of them. They challenge your patriotism if you don't support the government. They think you shouldn't open your mouth about the things you see that are wrong. They see that as “bashing”.

You can, Allheart my friend, count me as a member of the first group. I think bashing your leaders is good. In fact, I think dissent is one of the MOST patriotic activities a citizen can participate in – yes, even more patriotic than voting.

To me, going along is an anathema to liberty.

So, I will continue to "undress" my country and its leaders as loudly as I can and as long as I can. And I'm proud to do so. I'm not gonna stop my undressing at the borders either.

Please understand, I'm not talking about bashing people or their culture. That's racism. I'm talking about bashing their politics and their governments.

excon

Hi my good friend Excon ;)

I stand and applaud your voice. YES, you being an American it is one of your rights. To stand up and be counted and voice as loud as you can any and all areas that you like dislike, scream until your heard then scream again. Yes Yes and Yes.

Where I think we differ is when repeadedly those not from this country do the same, and with great joy at our pains, that is what I speak of. I just wish once in a while a little respect would be shown our way or let them discuss it amongst themselves.

You may undress other countries, but I can not imagine it is at the rate that we are hour after hour.

Now you scream and be heard... I'm listening as well as many others my good friend Excon.

To be honest allheart I find it quite rude and insulting that you find the audacity to tell others what they can and cannot post to a worldwide internet discussion board.

To be honest allheart I find it quite rude and insulting that you find the audacity to tell others what they can and cannot post to a worldwide internet discussion board.


Things are getting interesting!! :) :)

To be honest allheart I find it quite rude and insulting that you find the audacity to tell others what they can and cannot post to a worldwide internet discussion board.


NK - I am not meaning to insult. And in no way am I telling others what they can or can not post.

What I am saying is that some of what is spoken, written, voiced, I find that it is done in a disrespectful manner.

I again, am not trying to deter anyone from posting anything.

I just think it is about high time that an American says... I am uncomfortable with some of what is written and I wish you would give some consideration when doing so.

That's all I am saying.

I guess I am standing up for my country. There should be nothing insulting about that.
I woud expect you to do the same for your country.

Probably for the same resons the US bashes other countries.
We do, do it but we're blinded by our own culture too much to really see it.
I'm not saying it's right and I agree with it, but that people can't hold others to the same standards that they don't hold themselves to. I mean how many times have you talked about another culture or country in a way though just joking could still be considered bashing? It's one in the same.
They talk about us publicly, we talk about them behind there backs --that's what makes us Americans-espionage, and playing two countries at once.

And we haven't really heard americans speak very nicely of Iran lately have we? And remember "Freedom Fries"?

Probably for the same resons the US bashes other countries.
We do, do it but we're blinded by our own culture too much to really see it.
I'm not saying it's right and I agree with it, but that people can't hold others to the same standards that they don't hold themselves to. I mean how many times have you talked about another culture or country in a way though just joking could still be considered bashing? It's one in the same.
They talk about us publicly, we talk about them behind there backs --that's what makes us Americans-espionage, and playing two countries at once.


Actually, I am not one to speak ill of another person, place or thing. Not saying that I haven't but it is a very very rare occasion. So, I do have expectations that I guess are high, as they are the same standards that I apply. Hard to believe but it is true.

To be quite honest, I started this thread, as the continual negativity about America, I will admit, really does bother me and just wondered if it bothered any other Americans. I guess I stand alone.

You don't know me, but I always have given the upmost respect to all cultures and that's why I do get so taken back at how freely some speak so negatively about America.
I will always be uncomfortable with it.

I'm just saying we should hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold others to. I don't like it, but they talk about us we talk about them. It's kind of a mutual thing, we talk about Middle Easterns (well not all of us but a bunch of people) in terms that they're all terroists (they're not, I know I lived in Turkey once). But if we treat them in that way they'll call us stuck up snobs.
You can't make every country happy. Trying to be better than other countries is a primary role of a country, bashing other countries helps achieve this.

Sorry your right I don't know you but I wasn't insinuating you bashed culutres. I was just answering your question with my opinion which is what you asked everyone for.

I'm just saying we should hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold others to. I don't like it, but they talk about us we talk about them. It's kind of a mutual thing, we talk about Middle Easterns (well not all of us but a bunch of people) in terms that they're all terroists (they're not, I know I lived in Turkey once). But if we treat them in that way they'll call us stuck up snobs.
You can't make every country happy. Trying to be better than other countries is a primary role of a country, bashing other countries helps acheive this.

Sorry your right I don't know you but I wasn't insinuating you bashed culutres. I was just answering your question with my opinion which is what you asked everyone for.

Gernald,

You don't have to be sorry. I know you weren't insinuating. I also started this thread
To gain some understanding as well. Why do I get upset at the constant negativity and how do others feel.

I really appreciate you explaining it. I truly do. As I said before, I have spent a great deal of time with many individuals from all over the world and each interaction was sheer delightful. It makes me now wonder how did they truly feel about being here and even me.

But anyway, I stand by my upset, I still will never be comfortable with it.

But I do wish the world well.

I'm first generation American. My parents came here from the Philippines, my father a recruited professional.

I have grown up or lived in 6 states. I have travelled to Europe, Canada, Philippines, Israel, Eygpt. My parents have been to former USSR and China.

This country has its faults, but compared to the rest of the world, it is the best.

The majority of the mainstream media, foreign press, numerous blogs are clearly anti - American. Fine, they are expressing their free speech. That is one of the things that makes this country great. Israel is probably the only other country in the world to have as much hatred directed at it from within and without.
Could the ordinary citizens speak out in USSR, China [ their Google is censored ] Sadamm's Iraq, Iran, Taliban controlled Afghanistan etc.

How many other countries in the world are there where religious differences lead to ar and or genocide like in Sudan, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, the Middle EAst etc.



" Indeed, of the charter members of the first Forbes 400, only 32 remain today. Far from a country where only the rich get richer, the wealthy in the US are very much a moving target. While there are 74 Forbes 400 members who inherited their entire fortune, 270 members are entirely SELF-MADE."

In what other country is this possible?

Allheart - I would not worry. I remember growing up in the 70s and 80s. The MSM would denigrate Reagan all the time, then the economy got better, the wall came down and the Cold War was won.

The rest of the world and the liberal establishment hate the fact that the USA is great.
That American exceptionalism is what made this country. That W is a Christian, that Sadamm is no longer in power, that people are rich; that we are fighting against head chopping, homicidal bombing, tolitarian religious extremists; that capitalism and the corporations provide jobs and allows them to have the lifestyle they hypocritically detest.

I am grateful for this country, all its leaders, the men and women that defend it, and for the ordinary hardworking productive taxpaying citizens.

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Actually magprob you're right, others are following our example. If Americans bash America why not everyone else?

Allheart,
I for one am happy, that I live in the good old USA, if I wasn't there is air, ground, and water transportation. I would find a way out of here.

As for the people that don't live here and dislike this country, get involved with your country to come up with a way to kick our a$$ or change the way your country interacts with us.

If you hate your country then find a way to leave it and zip off to your ideal destination
Some people aren't happy with anything or anyone or any place and just like to bit@h. I for one don't really care.
My uneducated way of dealing with it is to let the eagle fly or as the English said to the French "Pluck Yew".

Hello again, All:

Well, let's get specific here. I love my country. I spilled my blood for my country. I'm a patriot. But, I'm not offended at all when I hear negative stuff about my country – not at all. I know what it's like here. I know how great it is. I know that I'd rather not live anywhere else. I know we're misunderstood in the world.

So, the criticism doesn't affect me personally.

Because, I KNOW what makes it great here is our democracy and our freedoms. By design, it's messy. It's not perfect. It's not understood by most of the world. Plus, I know, that even if they're misguided, our leaders want the same things for us that we do - pretty much.

And, what difference does it make WHO yells at us because they think we torture people?? I certainly do my share of yelling about it. Why shouldn't someone from somewhere else yell about it too?

However, in my experience, all these people from all over the world who yell at US, like us as individuals. So, it's not personal and I don't know why it makes you so uncomfortable.

excon

"The rest of the world and the liberal establishment hate the fact that the USA is great."


I really doubt that! I for one do not think that the USA is not that great... Far from that in fact. Your leader is an idiot who thinks that he rules the world. Well he doesn't. He is a money minded man who should not be in power.

A great country would have a great leader...

I think most understand the difference between the administration and the regular american guy. I'm quite certain people are frustrated with the administration and not all americans.

Sure, but I wonder how many understand the difference between fantasy and reality?

A great country would have a great leader....
Hello Mary:

What makes us great, is that we let a lemon slip through once in a while. What KEEPS us great, is that we repair the damage the lemons do.

excon

Hello Mary:

What makes us great, is that we let a lemon slip through once in a while. What KEEPS us great, is that we repair the damage the lemons do.

exconAgreed.

Hi Excon,

Its going to be very difficult and cost your country A lot of money to repair the damage this lemon has done! I think that I can say that even though I am Irish... Im not hurting anyone am I?!

I thank you all, yes ALL for responding. From my heart I thank you. And thanks for those that lent a chuckle and support. To be honest, I needed it.

Excon - I guess not uncomfortable, but it makes me sad, upset and sometimes, angry.
By the way.. thank you for your service.

Need Karma - I hope I didn't upset you. I was upset myself and just really wanted and needed to share how I was feeling.

I don't think my feelings of upset will ever change but I can't thank all of you enough
For sharing your thoughts and listening to mine.

People on internet boards and newspapers and plenty of other places have been offering their opinions of other countries forever. I'm not sure why it has come to your attention now. We are all interconnected in some way, no man is an island so to speak. Some of the 'bashing' of other countries is done here by americans. Make sure to apply the same standards to others. :)

We accept it because we respect people from all over to have the right to say what they wish. That doesn't mean it isn't rude, that doesn't mean it doesn't upset us sometimes, but in order to have free speech (which I think most Americans agree should be a global thing) we have to tolerate what we don't like as well as what we do like.

Remember too, the media in many countries is quite biased (but not ours :)) and may not portray the US and our actions in the best light. This could be from past disagreements with said country or simply out of misunderstanding. I remember reading in a textbook about a man who moved here from China on business and he was terrified because of what he had heard of America. He thought we all lived two people to a mansion and we all leave our money to our pets when we die, not to our children. He got here and was relieved to find we were normal and hard-working.

Also consider that for governments who are opposed to our administration or our politics in general, the best way to make the displeasure known is to have it's citizens dislike our country and administration as well. It gives the country an upper hand, so to speak, the more people who dislike us, the more likely we are to change.

Depending on what I see/hear people say, I often think their disdain is a result of lack of knowledge about America, what we stand for, and the good things we do in the world. Are we always good? No. But are we evil? No. I know this is a great country; it could use some work, but really, what country couldn't?

We accept it because we respect people from all over to have the right to say what they wish. That doesn't mean it isn't rude, that doesn't mean it doesn't upset us sometimes, but in order to have free speech (which I think most Americans agree should be a global thing) we have to tolerate what we don't like as well as what we do like.

Remember too, the media in many countries is quite biased (but not ours :)) and may not portray the US and our actions in the best light. This could be from past disagreements with said country or simply out of misunderstanding. I remember reading in a textbook about a man who moved here from China on business and he was terrified because of what he had heard of America. He thought we all lived two people to a mansion and we all leave our money to our pets when we die, not to our children. He got here and was relieved to find we were normal and hard-working.

Also consider that for governments who are opposed to our administration or our politics in general, the best way to make the displeasure known is to have it's citizens dislike our country and administration as well. It gives the country an upper hand, so to speak, the more people who dislike us, the more likely we are to change.

Depending on what I see/hear people say, I often think their disdain is a result of lack of knowledge about America, what we stand for, and the good things we do in the world. Are we always good? No. But are we evil? No. I know this is a great country; it could use some work, but really, what country couldn't?


Just and incredible and clear explanation! It makes sense and helps a great deal.

Thank you... very much.

When I was working with Individuals from all over the world, they were doing a two year tour and all of them and their families cried upon leaving. They were truly sad to leave us. They missed their homeland very much and looking forward to being with their loved ones again, but it did pain them to leave us as well.

I honestly and sincerely thank you for sharing. It helped immensely!

"The rest of the world and the liberal establishment hate the fact that the USA is great."

This person lists many reasons (http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html#Why) why America is hated, some quite naïve.


I really doubt that! I for one do not think that the USA is not that great... Far from that in fact.

Do you mean "I for one think that the USA is not that great?" If so, other than the reason you listed, why?


Your leader is an idiot who thinks that he rules the world. Well he doesn't. He is a money minded man who should not be in power.

Our leader, like every other leader we've had is quite fallible. But your description of him is just an opinion and I have yet to see anyone show me ANY irrefutable evidence it's true. He mangles words but that doesn't make him an idiot. I have yet to hear of his attempted takeover of Europe, Africa, Asia, Central or South America, and one does not get rich by serving for 8 years as president of the United States. I have never seen the mythological Bush that the left has created.


A great country would have a great leader...

Fortunately, America is great because of her people. A great leader is just a bonus but at least our leader has a better approval rating (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm) than congress (http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm)... currently a 10 point advantage on average. :D

"The rest of the world and the liberal establishment hate the fact that the USA is great."


I really doubt that! I for one do not think that the USA is not that great.... Far from that in fact. Your leader is an idiot who thinks that he rules the world. Well he doesnt. He is a money minded man who should not be in power.

A great country would have a great leader....

Irelands had there fair share of bad leaders too you know. Not every country's perfect, anyway we voted for him so your appropriate answer should be that Americans are money minded. Plus with our current state with the economy we need a money minded person in power.
Speaking of great leaders who is Irelands prime minister anyway? You know the name of our leader, but who's running your country?
Think about the hipocracy in your statement.

Hi Excon,

Its going to be very difficult and cost your country ALOT of money to repair the damage this lemon has done! I think that I can say that even though I am Irish.... Im not hurting anyone am I??!!!

You see, now that is the common misperception. 535 plus members of congress had a hand in this alleged 'damage' - and that's just for starters.

The reason we accept bashing is because of our culture…we have everyone's culture.
For you non-Americans, this means that some of your fellow countrymen, in times past, have immigrated and brought some of your culture with them. The parts we liked we adopted as our own.

People on internet boards and newspapers and plenty of other places have been offering their opinions of other countries forever. I'm not sure why it has come to your attention now. We are all interconnected in some way, no man is an island so to speak. Some of the 'bashing' of other countries is done here by americans. Make sure to apply the same standards to others. :)

No doubt, we've been making jokes about the French for decades... and Canadians, Mexicans... :D

The reason we accept bashing is because of our culture…we have everyone’s culture.
For you non-Americans, this means that some of your fellow countrymen, in times past, have immigrated and brought some of your culture with them. The parts we liked we adopted as our own.


To me, within your answer there is a great answer... In all of us Americans, is actually
Parts of people all around the world, so, we actually are all a part of each other.
I am being sincere, not trying to be sappy.

I think the British "bash" americans to get back at them.
Americans think everyone from England speaks posh and drink nothing but tea (ect), and they make fun of us, so we do it back, we copy their accent in a stupid manor and say they eat nothing about mcDonalds (ect)

Actually magprob you're right, others are following our example. If Americans bash America why not everyone else?

That is a very good point... and very true.

I think the brittish "bash" americans to get back at them.
Americans think everyone from England speaks posh and drink nothing but tea (ect), and they make fun of us, so we do it back, we copy their accent in a stupid manor and say they eat nothing about mcDonalds (ect)


Hi Princess,

Actually I didn't think the British did bash us :( . But I think we may joke back and forth.
At least that's how it was amongst some of the British that I met. And sooooo funny you said that about us thinking you all speak posh and drink nothing but tea... That is exactly what my British friend thought we thought. Too funny.

p.s. Do you actually drink anything other than tea :D

Acctually it's mostly coffee that we drink, tea isn't strong enough anymore :D
I personally hate tea.
And I suppose not all americans eat anything other than mcDonalds? I kind of guessed that anyway. :p

Acctually it's mostly coffee that we drink, tea isnt strong enough anymore :D
I personally hate tea.
And i suppose not all americans eat anything other than mcDonalds? i kinda guessed that anyway. :p


I actually love tea :) Goes well with Mc D's. ;)

Actually Mc D's does have the BEST french fries.

I do like the occasional McD's but too much makes me ill... yes the fries are very nice, I agree ^^
My friend dips them in strawberry milkshake! How odd! Do you do that? Or is she just strange?

^^
My friend dips them in strawberry milkshake! how odd! do you do that? or is she just strange?


I will not speak ill of anyone... she does what :eek:

I never tried it... I'll have to give it a go. Ya know, there are times we eat other then Mc D's, there is Dunkin Donuts :D

:p I have never heard of that.
All I know is McD's and burger king.

Actually, I am not one to speak ill of another person, place or thing. Not saying that I haven't but it is a very very rare occassion. So, I do have expectations that I guess are high, as they are the same standards that I apply. Hard to beleive but it is true.

To be quite honest, I started this thread, as the continual negativity about America, I will admit, really does bother me and just wondered if it bothered any other Americans. I guess I stand alone.

You don't know me, but I always have given the upmost respect to all cultures and that's why I do get so taken back at how freely some speak so negatively about America.
I will always be uncomfortable with it.
Allheart, you do not stand alone.

I have also observed the prevalence of America bashing. I think it's partially due to the narrow scope of these peoples focus.
Read about how much monies the US sends to so many places in peril.
Did you hear about the US ship that was sent to to Indonisia to help with tsunami victims? Or doesn't that count?
Spend just half the time looking at or for good press and you'll change your tune!

Talk all you want about how we speak about rouge nations, while you sit as close to our borders as you'd like. Feels good to be protected by our proximity without having to face the same proverbial lashing we receive.
I could go on but my time is limited right now.
In the words of a very famous transplant, "I will be back!"

Our Government deserves it. Most of the people in our country deserve to be made fun of. Hell most school kids can't point out America on a map. Look the facts are when Britney Spears is "headline news" on CNN don't you think the rest of the world deserves to laugh at us because most American's care more about her then REAL NEWS!!

Then you have these crazy people who watch TV just to call the FCC and Complain because NYPD Blues showed someone's Bare Butt on TV. When really they could be doing something IMPORTANT with their time instead of trying to make TV "safe".

The world has a right to laugh at us and we have no right to complain until we get our act together.

Our Government deserves it. Most of the people in our country deserve to be made fun of. Hell most school kids can't point out America on a map. Look the facts are when Britney Spears is "headline news" on CNN don't you think the rest of the world deserves to laugh at us because most American's care more about her then REAL NEWS!!!!!

Then you have these crazy people who watch TV just to call the FCC and Complain because NYPD Blues showed someone's Bare Butt on TV. When really they could be doing something IMPORTANT with their time instead of trying to make TV "safe".

The world has a right to laugh at us and we have no right to complain until we get our act together.
Must be lonely way up there in your Ivory Tower.:eek:

Must be lonely way up there in your Ivory Tower.:eek:

Typical American response! Now I know my comment was correct and it hit a nerve. So my next question is what did I say that was not true?

Aren't you tired of our government acting like the police of the world? I know I am! Aren't you sick of seeing these idiots from hollywood on the news every night like they actually affect real life? I am!! Aren't you sick of how people freak out over a TV show showing someone's bare butt or cursing, But no one really freaking out when an election was rigged! I AM!! So until people in this country wake up and see what is really happening around them the rest of the world has a right to laugh at us.

You better run now I am sure you are missing some prime coverage of Britney Spears Eating a Big Mac!!

I think it is incumbent on the wealthiest and most powerful Nation in the world to protect people against terrorism and fight for their freedom and liberty, in the pursuit of happiness. And I think those who would stand by and do nothing are cowards.

Well yes we should go after terrorist, but let's be honest we were never looking for terrorist in Iraq. But we sure got those oil fields locked down don't we!!

I noticed DC that you didn't say anything about the idol worship of singers and movie stars in this country, don't you agree that NO time should spent on them in the Real News and more time should be spent on World Issue's?

It's apparent that you don't know anything about the Terrorist Hussein and his reign of terror; nor his intentions in the mid-east. It is also apparent that you have been reading some of what you are railing against.

Yes I know all about Hussein and all the killing he has done I am not excusing it he needed to be dealt with. But not under the guise that he was the reason behind 9/11.



It is also apparent that you have been reading some of what you are railing against.
Not sure what you mean here are you saying I am reading what someone else wrote and just putting it on this site?

Our Government deserves it. Most of the people in our country deserve to be made fun of.

Yeah right, not much worthwhile (http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/index.cfm) comes from the US, eh?


Hell most school kids can't point out America on a map.

Maybe our schools should do less brainwashing and indoctrination and more teaching?


Look the facts are when Britney Spears is "headline news" on CNN don't you think the rest of the world deserves to laugh at us because most American's care more about her then REAL NEWS!!

I think maybe the UK has us beat in that regard.


Then you have these crazy people who watch TV just to call the FCC and Complain because NYPD Blues showed someone's Bare Butt on TV. When really they could be doing something IMPORTANT with their time instead of trying to make TV "safe".


So we should have no standards?


The world has a right to laugh at us and we have no right to complain until we get our act together.

And we have a right to laugh back :D

I think it is incumbent on the wealthiest and most powerful Nation in the world to protect people against terrorism and fight for their freedom and liberty, in the pursuit of happiness. And I think those who would stand by and do nothing are cowards.Well let's look at that. I know you believe it's an incumbent position (which it isn't) but let's play "what if". What if the wealthiest (not so much actually) and strongest nation decided to not get involved in fighting terrorism abroad? Let them fight it out. No meddling in the Middle East, etc. Instead that country focused on making its own populace happy. What would happen then?

Typical American response! Now I know my comment was correct and it hit a nerve. So my next question is what did i say that was not true?

Aren't you tired of our government acting like the police of the world? I know I am! Aren't you sick of seeing these idiots from hollywood on the news every night like they actually affect real life? I am!!!! Aren't you sick of how people freak out over a TV show showing someone's bare butt or cursing, But no one really freaking out when an election was rigged! I AM!!!!!! So until people in this country wake up and see what is really happening around them the rest of the world has a right to laugh at us.

You better run now I am sure you are missing some prime coverage of Britney Spears Eating a Big Mac!!!!!!!!



Complain complain complain complain.

Try a little humor.
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It had to be under a guise, as most, if not all wars are…otherwise the status-quo would not stand for it. For instance, we prodded Japan into striking first so that we could intervene. In WW1 we purposely sent the Lusitania into German waters knowing the U-Boats would attack it.


What I meant was that I don't watch the shows you are against on TV, or read about them.

I also think a lot of the negative comments and degrading of America and Americans has to do with stereotypes. We're described as "stupid" "fat" "lazy" "loud", and someone from a foreign nation will have a few encounters with someone who fits that mold, and it will reinforce their belief we are all like that. Don't get me wrong, Americans do it too, and it's not right coming from either side. I try not to put too much stock in people who's comments are based upon stereotypes; I think that helps in not getting worked up or upset about negative comments.

But to inject myself in the conversation DC and spitvenom are having... America can't win regarding being the "world police". Either we do too much, or too little. We're always in the wrong place and never in the right place. And I've found often the people who complain about this are the ones who want it both ways. I've mentioned this story before, but I used to work with several South Africans who were living in the US. They would complain and complain about the war in Iraq and how "America needs to mind it's own business" and that we "have no right or reason to be there"... Then they would complain America didn't step in during the Rwanda genocide. Or Sudan. Or anywhere else in the world where something was going wrong. We can't win.

Well let's look at that. I know you believe it's an incumbent position (which it isn't) but let's play "what if". What if the wealthiest (not so much actually) and strongest nation decided to not get involved in fighting terrorism abroad? Let them fight it out. No meddling in the Middle East, etc. Instead that country focused on making its own populace happy. What would happen then?
Yes, a lot of Americans don’t believe it a Duty of the strong to protect the weak. You can watch the Local News in most large cities and read where someone was mugged while people watch and did nothing too often….again…cowards.

Maybe our schools should do less brainwashing and indoctrination and more teaching?

Exactly!!


I think maybe the UK has us beat in that regard.

Probably but I don't pay attention to any countries movie and music stars.


So we should have no standards?

No Not really. Why should I be denied seeing what I want to see cause someone was offended in some bible belt town.


And we have a right to laugh back :D

Yeah we have the right to laugh at other countries I mean France thinks Jerry Lewis is a comedy Genius. HOW FUNNY IS THAT!! All I am basically saying is why even get offended when other countries make fun of us. We deserve most of it.

Yes, a lot of Americans don’t believe it a Duty of the strong to protect the weak. You can watch the Local News in most large cities and read where someone was mugged while people watch and did nothing too often….again…cowards.Um... thanks for the non-answer.:rolleyes:

Um...thanks for the non-answer.:rolleyes:
Yes, a no answer to a hypothetical that is not in the realm of reality. That is no different than saying we should have waited for Hussein to decide to make people happy.

But what of Duty and cowards?

But what of Duty and cowards?Not worth my time to answer.

Why am I not surprised... Given that Canada's sense of Duty stops at its borders.

No Not really. Why should I be denied seeing what I want to see cause someone was offended in some bible belt town.

I know, I know, parents can just turn the TV off... but consider the amount of sex, violence and other rot that kids are exposed to on TV. Wouldn't we be wise as a nation to tone it down a little on broadcast TV during hours kids will be watching? Preferably voluntarily by the networks?


Yeah we have the right to laugh at other countries I mean France thinks Jerry Lewis is a comedy Genius. HOW FUNNY IS THAT!! All I am basically saying is why even get offended when other countries make fun of us. We deserve most of it.

Come on now, we deserve some of it... just like everyone else.

Our Government deserves it. Most of the people in our country deserve to be made fun of. Hell most school kids can't point out America on a map. Look the facts are when Britney Spears is "headline news" on CNN don't you think the rest of the world deserves to laugh at us because most American's care more about her then REAL NEWS!!!!!

Then you have these crazy people who watch TV just to call the FCC and Complain because NYPD Blues showed someone's Bare Butt on TV. When really they could be doing something IMPORTANT with their time instead of trying to make TV "safe".

The world has a right to laugh at us and we have no right to complain until we get our act together.


The world has a right to do as it pleases. Absolutey and I hope that everyone understands that it is not that I wanted the "sound" muffled, I wanted to stand up and say clearly...


I as an American, find the continual negative comments, that are voiced to hurt not to help (there is a difference), in the presence of Americans, to be disrespectful.

I am not asking anyone to stop expressing themselves, I just wanted to raise my hand and say... "ouch". Sometimes the comments can be so smoothering, as my instant and natural reaction is usually not very eloquent and it is not normally how I converse.

I also was truly reaching for understanding because I want so very much to understand. I don't want to hold negative in my heart and I do when I hear or see such comments made with such annimosity.

The wonderful thing, and I thank all of you so much, is that I did gain some understanding as a possible motivator. Why?? Why would non-Americans experss with such disdain?
But as some of you pointed out, a lot is how we are portrayed in their homeland. Not that, that is a valid reason to be disrespectful without regard, but it does help enlighten a bit.

I hope, and I mean this sincerely, that I have not upset one single person here. It was not my intent.

I can only hope for respect, but I surely would never demand it.

I think there is a distinct difference between bashing a country and questioning its policies. Captain rich has accused me before of bashing america when I have done anything but. Yes, I question its policies on matters I disagree with. Is that bashing? Elliot and I have had some great debates on gun control. I see it as a problem in America. I question it. Is that bashing. Some say yes. I say they are too thin skinned.
I have a lot of problems with the government of Australia and I question it. That isn't bashing. Im the proudest Australian there is.
I've had Mag question the way we treat our indigenous people. He's right, but he isn't bashing.

I think we can all tell the difference between bashing and questioning, and if you can't then your probably not worth having a discussion with anyway (and I certainly don't mean you Allheart, you know that).

I don't think there is a prouder American on this site than Excon. And the reason I believe that is because he is constantly wanting America to be better. He wants to move forward. The rest of the guys here are very proud too and I love reading every thread, but they are just content with what they got now :) where a lot of others aren't.

Plus the bashers are easy to expose for the fools they are. They often have no intelligent argument or case and generally struggle with the english language. If you see one take the pleasure in exposing them for the idiot they more than likely are.

I think there is a distinct difference between bashing a country and questioning its policies. Captain rich has accused me before of bashing america when i have done anything but. Yes, i question its policies on matters i disagree with. Is that bashing? Elliot and I have had some great debates on gun control. I see it as a problem in America. I question it. Is that bashing. Some say yes. I have a lot of problems with the government of Australia and i question it. That isnt bashing.Im the proudest Australian there is.
I've had Mag question the way we treat our indigenous people. He's right, but he aint bashing.

I think we can all tell the difference between bashing and questioning, and if you can't then your probably not worth having a discussion with anyway (and i certainly dont mean you Allheart, you know that).

I dont think there is a prouder American on this site than Excon. And the reason i believe that is because he is constantly wanting America to be better. He wants to move forward. The rest of the guys here are very proud too and i love reading each and every thread, but they are just content with what they got now :) where a lot of others aren't.

Plus the bashers are easy to expose for thew fools they are. The often have no intelligent argument or case and generally struggle with the english language. If you see one take the pleasure in exposing them for the idiot they more than likely are.


Hi Skell :) Miss you tons. Hope things are going well for you :)

I think I used the wrong word "bashing". Perhaps exposing our areas of concern with glee and motivation to hurt not gain understanding or promote growth. That's more what I was referring to.

Oh Skell I welcoming questioning. I ask questions all the time about different cultures and practices because I am so intriqued.

There is a huge difference in questioning policies and some of the comments meant to harm. Taking pleasure in exposing.. yes, that does sum it up.

Skell, I hope you understand what I am saying. I know you do.

I agree with you about Excon... he does love our country and wants better. I do as well, and I am sure all Americans do.

Voicing concerns is healthy and perhaps the only way to expose in order to repair. I guess it's all in the manner in which it is done.

Allheart, you do not stand alone.


Thank you Captain Rich!

I do know that now and perhaps I always did. I am so glad I did speak and feel stronger in my convictions as each day passess.

It makes me proud.

There is nothing wrong in standing up for something you believe in and something you love.

I would speak all over again and I thank you and all who do stand with me and I even thank those who disagree with me.

May God bless America, watch over us and watch over all people in this world. May we all learn one day to want what is best for each other and work together towards making each day better. May we be able to see the good in each other and regret and learn from the negative. May be a pipe dream, but sometimes dreams do come true and it can't possibly be wrong to dream.

Well let's look at that. I know you believe it's an incumbent position (which it isn't) but let's play "what if". What if the wealthiest (not so much actually) and strongest nation decided to not get involved in fighting terrorism abroad? Let them fight it out. No meddling in the Middle East, etc. Instead that country focused on making its own populace happy. What would happen then?


So is it the governments duty to make its populace happy?

You know that is impossible.

I also think a lot of the negative comments and degrading of America and Americans has to do with stereotypes. We're described as "stupid" "fat" "lazy" "loud", and someone from a foreign nation will have a few encounters with someone who fits that mold, and it will reinforce their belief we are all like that. Don't get me wrong, Americans do it too, and it's not right coming from either side. I try not to put too much stock in people who's comments are based upon stereotypes; I think that helps in not getting worked up or upset about negative comments.

But to inject myself in the conversation DC and spitvenom are having.... America can't win regarding being the "world police". Either we do too much, or too little. We're always in the wrong place and never in the right place. And I've found often the people who complain about this are the ones who want it both ways. I've mentioned this story before, but I used to work with several South Africans who were living in the US. They would complain and complain about the war in Iraq and how "America needs to mind it's own business" and that we "have no right or reason to be there"... Then they would complain America didn't step in during the Rwanda genocide. Or Sudan. Or anywhere else in the world where something was going wrong. We can't win.
We can't win, if critics haven't seen the whole reality.
I wish it was within my power to retract all of the good American has done! And don't let anybody take this the wrong way, There's been plenty! No, America can't stop hurricanes from hitting places like Honduras, or the Yucatan. Or any other of the many crisis' we've helped in. And there has been plenty!
Heck, I'd like to be able to retract the bad, too. There just isn't as much of it.
Concentrate on the rhetoric you find in the headlines now. Again that shows just how narrow your focus is.
America has broad shoulders. Has had for along time now. I'd like to see any other country, any other entity, put forth the same track record. It can't be done.

Hi Simoneauge,

I do undertand what your are saying. But I find it rude and incredibly unbecoming behaviour for someone not from America to speak so negatively about Americans, openly to Americans. Is that not rude, immature and uncivilized. I am not comparing cultures.

I had many interactions with Internationals, on our soil, and I was sure to know all about their culture, to ensure that I was showing the highest form of respect. That is all I am asking in return.

Respect is earned, it is not a God given right. I'm from Canada and have been to the states a few times in my lifetime. I have been made to feel like a dolt because of the way I pronounce certain words, I have been asked if I live in an Igloo, I have been treated rudely when they find out I'm not American. Now I'm sure that not all Americans are like that, and not all of my interactions with Americans have been negative but more than half have been. When I was in germany (which is were I was born and am still a citizen even though I've lived in Canada for 33 years) we visited the town I was born in which is a very famous tourist town. I speak fluent German, my husband does not, we were treated equally. Also while there I saw time and time again Americans being rude to store owners and expecting special treatment "I'm from the United States the best country in the world, you should be thrilled that I am spending my money in your store, show some respect." and yes, that is a direct quote. The store owners are polite and try their best to make them happy because the majority of people who come to their town are Americans, I have also been told by those same store owners that the majority of Americans coming to their store think that they should be treated like royalty because of were they live. Many times while voicing my views on this site I've felt it necessary to state that I am from Canada (I do this because the laws are different here as are other things that might change the way you view my advice) I feel nervous every time I do this because I don't know if the response will be negative or positive. The majority of people that read my posts have been very nice and do not have an issue with were I live but there are one or two that do. In short, you teach people how to treat you, I'm not saying that you should be ashamed to be American, you live in a wonderful country, so do, but we all have a right to our opinions and the freedom and right to voice them. And you are correct, you don't have to read anything that you find offensive. You don't have to agree with anyone on this site, in fact that's largely what this site is all about, and knowone has to agree with you and your views either. That's what living in a free country is all about. God bless, and take care.

Hi Altenweg,

I am so very sorry that half of your interactions with Americans have been negative. I truly am.

Please, I am trying so hard to have myself understood. I am not saying people should not say negative things about Americans. I am not trying to take away non-American voices..
I would embrace a dialogue, very similar to your post. You held up a mirror to some of us, and I cringed. I believe in your heart you meant no animosity. You were sincerely sharing your experiences. THAT type of conversation I welcome. It's rationale and fair minded.

What I am saying, is that, when it is done with malace, openly, knowing Americans will read, I consider that to be very poor taste and it is a reflection on the author not Americans. But too many times we let the comments go by, truthfully because some Americans really don't care what non-Americans think. The reason I spoke up, was just to call attention to the negative comments continuosly made with malace, and say, you know, your not looking very pretty and your comments are found to be rude. But by no means am I saying stop making them. I also have to say, that I honestly don't think those that make such comments time after time after time, realized that yes, they do come off as inapprorpriate.

The best way I can make an association, and I hope I don't offend anyone, I am just trying to be understood...

When the African American community utilizes the "N' word amongst themselves, that community generally does not find it offensive. When other then someone from the African American communtiy utilizes the "N" word, it offends African Americans and rightly so.

So, bringing it to this discussion, to me personally, when an American openly discusses problems within our country, I say Amen and let's try and fix them, when a Non-American expresses negatives about my country, to be spiteful, I as an American find it in poor taste and rightly so.

Please, I am not saying don't make any comment you feel necessary, I am just holding a mirror to those making the negative comments with annimosity and asking them to take a peak.

That is all I am trying to say.

Alten, so very nice to "meet" you. I know you don't live in an igloo :), don't ever be nervous to say you are from Canada, you live in a wonderful and beautiful country.

100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, hopefully you will interact with more Americans that bring a smile to your face :)

God Bless you too :)

I see America now as the worst bacteria the planet earth has ever had to endure. The majority of voters have decided what they want and to bury their heads in the sand and almost cast their votes through CNN. Bashing America is something I do often, bashing the dealings Canada does with America is something I do more often. Some people have this massive pride in their countries and can not stand to see negative things being said about their native lands. Where is this pride when it comes to doing what's right? Taking a stand? I always get " I'm just one man" I use the same excuse myself... I am just one man, and I love to go online and B1TCH. I watch documentary after documentary, I read and explore... It always comes down to America did something really terrible, its always proven... And no one ever gets Bleep for it. America used to be a lot different with presidents like Carter and Hoover, since Regan its been $@ any cost.

[QUOTE=Allheart] 100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, QUOTE]


I see America now as the worst bacteria the planet earth has ever had to endure.
:eek: Make that 99.9%
Actually, I am just kidding :D - A comment such as the above, aren't the type that phase me. Just found it interesting.

[QUOTE=Allheart] 100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, QUOTE]


:eek: Make that 99.9%
Actually, I am just kidding :D - A comment such as the above, aren't the type that phase me. Just found it interesting.
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LOL... I wasn't trying to phase you. Just my yearly vent... I liked your % :D line! Funny

AllHeart- Thank you for your kind words, they meant allot to me, I'm also glad that you know that I don't live in an igloo:p (it's too darn cold right now to build one:D ) you would however be surprised about the number of Americans who have that belief. Thank god it's not true, I'm allergic to seal fur. I actually live in the suburbs in a very nice neighborhood, I have a wonderful husband and, in my opinion, the two most wonderful kids in the world (doesn't every parent have the most wonderful kids in the world?) Even though I have had some disturbing interactions with Americans, the warm welcome and kind words from you make up for allot of it, too bad I've never met you in my travels, maybe my opinions would have been different. I do understand what you are saying and I agree, knowone has a right to bash someone until they've walked a mile in their shoes, you, as an American, know better what is going on in your country then I do, as do I about Canada. It's not good to rock the boat, especially if you're in it. I hope to "run" into you more often on this site, you seem like a delightful person and are very eloquent about your views, you also have a wonderful sense of humor. God bless.

I believe Canada has sent us their dirty laundry long enough. Instead of Reagan starting the decline of the United States, I believe it started when these three were allowed in. We should have stopped it after Lorne Green. Now he was a great American.

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Better learn to get along.

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Thank you so much for taking KD Lang, and Celine Dion, Pam Anderson too!

AllHeart- Thank you for your kind words, they meant allot to me, I'm also glad that you know that I don't live in an igloo:p (it's too darn cold right now to build one:D ) you would however be surprised about the number of Americans who have that belief. Thank god it's not true, I'm allergic to seal fur. I actually live in the suburbs in a very nice neighborhood, I have a wonderful husband and, in my opinion, the two most wonderful kids in the world (doesn't every parent have the most wonderful kids in the world?) Even though I have had some disturbing interactions with Americans, the warm welcome and kind words from you make up for allot of it, too bad I've never met you in my travels, maybe my opinions would have been different. I do understand what you are saying and I agree, knowone has a right to bash someone until they've walked a mile in their shoes, you, as an American, know better what is going on in your country then I do, as do I about Canada. It's not good to rock the boat, especially if you're in it. I hope to "run" into you more often on this site, you seem like a delightful person and are very eloquent about your views, you also have a wonderful sense of humor. God bless.


Altenweg,

Thank YOU so much. You made me feel so much better. I wish too, that we crossed paths, and if I am lucky enough, there may be a day that we do.


Where you live sounds so very nice! No igloo huh :)

I again am so sorry about the interactions that you have that were less then pleasant.

God Bless you too Altenweg, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for understanding me. Means more to me then I can share.

AllHeart- It seems like be both brought a bit of sunshine into eachothers lives today, that's what more people should spread around.:)

If you come to Canada within the next month or so I could probably try and build an igloo in my backyard, but I have no idea how so I'd have to do some research first. Goodness knows that my kids would be thrilled.;)

Keep in touch.

Andrea

Altenweg, I grew up in Alaska and you'd be surprised how many people asked ME about living in an igloo...
I just chuckle and say, "Yeah, and I rode dog-sleds to school, too."
Ignorance can and will show up when least expected. I think it's a matter of perspective in some cases. In other cases, it rears it's ugly head as idiocy. I've always had great respect for Canadians. Two of my favorite possessions are an Alaskan flag and a Canadian flag. I know what living in that general environment can do for a persons character.
Having lived in the lower 48, for nearly too long now, I sense my perspectives have faded some. To some folks here, that may not be much of a shock. Hehe

AllHeart- It seems like be both brought a bit of sunshine into eachothers lives today, that's what more people should spread around.:)

If you come to Canada within the next month or so I could probably try and build an igloo in my backyard, but I have no idea how so I'd have to do some research first. Goodness knows that my kids would be thrilled.;)

Keep in touch.

Andrea

Oh Andrea you are so right. Hopefully the sunshine spreading is catchy.

Ya know, I wasn't too sure myself on how to build one of those things... oooh but look what I found . But wait for me to arrive, I'll round up some penguins, and be on my way there :D

Doesn't look too hard... does it :confused: Sending more sunshine... catch :) http://www.primitiveways.com/Images2/igloo13.jpg

Building an igloo is great fun!
Look what I found! See who made it?
YouTube - How to Build an Igloo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pia4i5sr0o0&feature=related)

Building an igloo is great fun!
Look what I found! See who made it?
YouTube - How to Build an Igloo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pia4i5sr0o0&feature=related)


Captain - that is absolutely precious!!

Gawd isn't you just opened a kettle of fish here my dear lady, hunn you know what your living in the biggest country in the world a country that controls half of the world and took us to war there's going to be a lot off nastiness there weather you like it or not,
On the other hand you also have to realise that you aren't the only country that gets bashed hell I have seen enough brits take crap on here and other places alone with plenty of others I'm afraid my dear its just the way the internet is you see it and you say it as it is if you don't like it then you don't log in.
From now on and for years to come you as a country along with others will be bashed (as you put it) for the idiotic greed of a person you experience a taste of terrorism and its like its only just been invented never mind the countries that have been living with it on a daily basis since the 70's I think it just comes down to the age old crack of we all use the brush just with different strokes we all live in the same world but we all have a different opinion you rarely will see me voice my true feelings for the pure fact I respect the others in our human race too much to give it full throttle.

LOl CBW - I certainly did... but glad I did.

No, I know we are not the only one that gets negative chatter, oh I know that. Once in awhile though, I think it is more then okay to stand up against the negative comments. I see nothing wrong with that and glad I did and would do again. When other countries are continuoulsy spoken of negatively I would admire and applaud them standing up for their homeland and would encourage them to do so.

Yes, I am like you, in the way that, yes, out of respect for mankind and differences in culture, I remain silent when I see a difference or a negative. I guess we are dignified enough to know when to remain silent and when to speak up with respect.

Yes, I could not log on if I don't like what I read, but that would be hiding or turning away and I see no reason to do that because someone is unaware of their poor manners or because I choose to speak up and defend my country.

One should know the difference when not to speak and when to speak with respect about any country, race or creed.

Come to think of it, why would it not be okay to speak up for my country. I guess because we as Americans just have to suck it up because we are viewed to have too much so we should be able to swallow any negative comment.

I've grown somewhat tired of expressing myself on this topic. I'm very grateful to those who have been able to understand what I have been trying to express and disheartned with those who just can't hear me and I embrace the differences and more then accept them.

Peharps my point of view and my heart filled with love for my country as well as all countries around the world is unwelcomed. I accept that but I will never regret speaking up and speaking out for something I felt needed to be said.

God Bless all of you and I wish you all nothing but joy and peace.

Yes, I am like you, in the way that, yes, out of respect for mankind and differences in culture, I remain silent when I see a difference or a negative. That is one of the reasons that the US has some issues, people just accepting the negative without voicing their concern out loud.

That is one of the reasons that the US has some issues, people just accepting the negative without voicing their concern out loud.

NK, you are 100% correct and that goes for any situation. How can you fix something if it is not spoke about or brought out in the open.

Sorry, what I meant to say was that I don't voice negatives about another country when they are having difficuties. Another words shine their problems in their face. If that makes sense.

I honestly respect, admire and want to learn more about other countries. I just get so :mad: when I feel our wounds are constantly exposed with ill intent.

It would be like someone outside my family calling a huge meeting, and in front of everyone the person holding the meeting wants to know... why does your Mom drink so much? Can't she stop drinking? Is your family so disfuncitional you can not tell there is a problem? What's wrong with your family? She's a peril to your family.

Can you see how that would hurt? Deeply? It's kind of like that when people not from America continually point out our problems, not to offer assistance, but to be unkind and to hurt.

AllHeart and CaptianRich- Come on down, but you better hurry, Our cold snap ended today and it's actually sunny, still cold but sunny. Oh Mr. Sun how I missed you. I'm actually going to take the kids outside to play today, the first time in 2 weeks, they can't wait. I mentioned the igloo idea to them and they love it, me and my big mouth:p . I have to say that I'm so glad to have "met" the both of you, I consider you friends, I hope that's okay.:o

Hello Dearest Allheart,

Now when you say bash, what exactly do you mean? I have been in many discussions about America. Not so much the american people, but the american government. There is a difference. Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so. So if American government is known to interfere in everybodies backyard then why can't other people from around the world comment on the united states and their government. I hope you understand that Americans pride themselves with free speech but at the same time they try to stifle somebody from speaking their minds. I am not american, Canadian as you know. My fathers side of the family are all american. Could I be considered half american does not matter, still have the right to jump in and discuss or talk about USA. I also believe there is a difference between bashing and speaking the truth. For example, I have always said this to you, that when I disagree or feel strongly about something it has never been against the american People, but the Government that runs your country at the same time. Who voted the government in, it was a always a split... I do have to say though that now many people are waking up and realizing that the Bush government was the worst mistake ever and they have lied about everything about the war. What about the people (americans fighting in this war, they were all lied to. They need to be proud that they stood up and fought for their country at the same time they need to know that they were duped in fighting a fake war with fake weapons of destruction.) Now that they know, they can pick their battles and decide whether to continue or hang up their guns and fight for peace instead)

Just my thoughts and opinion. There is no bashing in my opinion in how I have said things. I hope you understand my post and I have not had a chanch to catch up or even read other posts.

Bye for now,

Joe

AllHeart and CaptianRich- I have to say that I'm so glad to have "met" the both of you, I consider you friends, I hope that's okay.:o


Oh Bless you Altenweg,

Yes, please sign me up for that. I am truly touched and honoured.

Thank you so much. Means more then the keyboard allows me to express :D

Thank you again

Hello Dearest Allheart,

Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so.



Hello my good friend Joe,

When I started this thread, it was honestly to gain understanding, express my upset and even hurt. But more then anything, I do not like carrying upset in my heart and did
Want so much to understand WHAT would motivate a non-American, to keep holding a flashlight to our sores.

Joe, I don't know how to thank you, you words above are beginning to open my eyes a wee bit as to the why. Gosh, the above is probably how we are perceived and may be true (to be honest, I don't know but I hope we are not bullies) Anyway, you have open the door for me to begin to understand on some level as to the why.

Joe, for many things and for many reasons I adore you. For what you have shared with me above giving me for the very first time in my whole life, some insight as to the why...
I thank you and I love you my friend for it.

I don't want to harbour upset, jump out of my skin when I read certain things.

I do say sorry to the world if we earned the way we are viewed. I mean that sincerely.

Joe, you have no idea how deep my gratitude is.

I continue to have a deep love as well as pride for my country and now pray
That America makes more of a positive difference in this world of ours.

Love you my friend.

I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=2141569373929310139

I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=2141569373929310139

Our government has been hijacked from the inside but let's be quiet about that or we get called traitor or nut job. I'm not a traitor but I may be a nut job. Never will believe the official story though. More to it than that.

The official story has 0 value. This video goes through that, I hope it's watched.

*** Unsuscribing to my own thread****

I couldn't make it through the video. The harsh visions and memories brought me right back to that day and I cry for my country and all those people directly effected and wells up anger in me.

I have no idea what message is attempting to be said, but I have a feeling I would not be pleased.

Some may say I am nuts too - or have my head in the sand - I don't care what they say -

****unsuscribing****

******Sorry :( Don't mean to sound like a 5 year old and throw down the toys and say I don't want to play no more...

But first, the images, are still hard to see and I could be wrong, but it seemed that it is saying there is some American consipiracy involved? Awful. Sorry I just can't digest that.

Nor will I entertain that. Awful. If I am wrong and that isn't what it is saying - I'm sorry.

I didn't make it through the whole thing - and won't.

To Bash America? Do you live here? Are you an American?

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I am not saying that all people do not have a right to say what they choose, I am just saying that I find it rude, unacceptable, and disrespectful. Just as I would if an American continously openly said negative things about another country without any regard to the audience and with zero respect.You just may have to log off the internet then. We are free to and criticize what we wish whether we live there or not - it's called having an opinion. It's absolutely NOT unacceptable as you say.

You just may have to log off the internet then. We are free to and criticize what we wish whether we live there or not - it's called having an opinion. It's absolutely NOT unacceptable as you say.

NK -

1) That question was to a Mary something I can't remember now. And I sincerely was asking if she was from here. Not being sarcastic but was just inquiring.

I wish you would have paged through this whole thread as you would have seen JH ( Jesus Helper) shed some light on this topic for me.

Yes, NK I did get my back up in the air when someone not from here criticized America - big time. I did not understand that.

But thanks to Joe and CBW (who also contributed a great viewpoint on this thread), it opened my eyes wider. And I do believe I apologized to everyone back in whatever post it was.

I was ignorant and I was wrong. I have come to accept and even have reached and understanding as to why sometimes someone not from here would voice a negative viewpoint.

I have grown since first writing that and somewhere on this thread I thank Joe from the bottom of my heart for the insight.

Because let me tell you NK, it was one heck of a heavy heart and upset that I would experienced when I would see the comments. I actually have reached a place of acceptance.

I am not the type to go back and cut and paste and say see Here's proof where the light got turned on for me.

I just trust that you will take my word as to what I am saying is sincere and true. I can now see negative staments and I actually am okay about it and perhaps you think I should have been from the beginning... we all have things we need to work on. So, I guess I can take my successful growth spurt on this issue off my to do list NK.

For being upset, for the way I worded it - and for the way I was upset I truly am sorry to you and anyone else I may have upset.

I will admit I do at times have a blind loyalty to friendships, family and Country.

Just wish you would have taken the time to see that I have grown on this issue. Would have saved the little scolding.

If you are referring to my upset with the video, Mickey Mouse could have posted that and I would have been upset - It was not the poster that upset me, it was the content.

I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=2141569373929310139
Greg, I have watched this and many others. I spent a couple of weeks going through everything I could get on the subject. There have been many questions asked that have no answers. But just because there are not answers for every question does not necessarily mean anything. I am myself quite disturbed by the speculation I have read. My conclusion is the same as the government’s explanation.

For my own sanity - I did scroll back... and it was post 109... here it is so you don't have to.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Hello Dearest Allheart,

Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so.




Hello my good friend Joe,

When I started this thread, it was honestly to gain understanding, express my upset and even hurt. But more then anything, I do not like carrying upset in my heart and did
want so much to understand WHAT would motivate a non-American, to keep holding a flashlight to our sores.

Joe, I don't know how to thank you, you words above are beginning to open my eyes a wee bit as to the why. Gosh, the above is probably how we are perceived and may be true (to be honest, I don't know but I hope we are not bullies) Anyway, you have open the door for me to begin to understand on some level as to the why.

Joe, for many things and for many reasons I adore you. For what you have shared with me above giving me for the very first time in my whole life, some insight as to the why...
I thank you and I love you my friend for it.

I don't want to harbour upset, jump out of my skin when I read certain things.

I do say sorry to the world if we earned the way we are viewed. I mean that sincerely.

Joe, you have no idea how deep my gratitude is.

I continue to have a deep love as well as pride for my country and now pray
that America makes more of a positive difference in this world of ours.

Love you my friend.
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