At least it's not just Bush's fault any more...

Chief scientist in sports cars warning to women (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/16/ncar116.xml)


By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:55am GMT 17/12/2007

Women must stop admiring men who drive sports cars if they want to join the fight against global warming, the Government's chief scientist has urged.

Professor Sir David King said governments could only do so much to control greenhouse gas emissions and it was time for a cultural change among the British public.

And he singled out women who find supercar drivers "sexy", adding that they should divert their affections to men who live more environmentally-friendly lives.

His comments were greeted with anger by sports car drivers who insisted that their vehicles' greenhouse gas emissions were tiny compared with those from four-wheel-drive vehicles.

Sir David, who is due to retire as the UK's Chief Scientific Adviser at the end of the year, said individuals needed to change their behaviour.

"I was asked at a lecture by a young woman about what she could do and I told her to stop admiring young men in Ferraris," he said.

"What I was saying is that you have got to admire people who are conserving energy and not those wilfully using it."

Sir David, who persuaded the Government to start using the Toyota Prius, a hybrid car that claims to have lower emissions than most conventional cars, added: "Government has so many levers that it can pull - when it comes to the business sector it is quite effective.

"As soon as you come to the individual, however, they will buy a Ferrari, not because it is cheap to run or has low carbon dioxide emissions, but because young women think it is sexy to see men driving Ferraris. That is the area where a culture change is needed."

A Ferrari F430 produces 420g/km of carbon dioxide - more than four times as much as the hybrid petrol-electric Prius.

Car enthusiasts criticised Sir David for attempting to lay the blame for climate change on a small number of drivers who own sports cars.

Peter Everingham, secretary the Ferrari Owners Club, said: "Nearly 90 per cent of people who buy Ferraris are married so they are not looking to impress women by buying their car.

"There are fewer than 5,600 cars made a year by Ferrari. To suggest Ferraris are a factor in climate change is unhelpful."

Sir David, who will next month publish a book on climate change called Hot Topic, insists his comments were intended as an example of the scale of culture change that is needed in society in order to combat global warming.

As chief scientist he has been instrumental in driving the climate change issue to the top of the political agenda.

Three years ago he sparked controversy when he claimed that global warming was a more serious threat than that of global terrorism.

Sir David said: "For a while I was quite unpopular at Number 10, but the point is that the Prime Minister then understood this was a very important issue.

"Now I would go one step further and say that our civilisation has never had to face up to as big a challenge as the climate change challenge of the 21st century."

Personally, I think women in Suburban Assault Vehicles on cell phones are a bigger threat (in more ways than one) than men in Ferraris.

So how about it, who's willing to stop buying sports cars to impress women and who's willing to stop admiring men in sports cars to save the earth?

Is climate change a bigger threat than global terrorism? Would the Jihadists feel right at home on a hotter, dryer planet? Could their victory over the western infidels be just what this earth needs?

Yay! So metrosexual males in sports cars are the villians now? It's about time! I was tired of us rednecks in 4x4's getting all the blame.

I kind of like those guys in mopeds myself. Lol. It is hard to believe that 90% of the men who buy Ferrarri's are married. Come on now...

If I could, I'd buy a moped just for my in-town errands and stuff. Unfortunately, I work 60 miles from my house and two vehicles isn't practical.

I did, however, sell the 4x4 and buy a small car. I think my testosterone levels have dropped about 65% since then, but I'm getting better MPG!

Lol, Kindj. Now write for a government grant to do a study based on your theory (about the testosterone levels). You would stand just as good as chance at getting one as someone else I would think. Maybe put a "green" spin on it. ;)

Yay! So metrosexual males in sports cars are the villians now? It's about time! I was tired of us rednecks in 4x4's getting all the blame.

Technically he was blaming women who admire metrosexual males in sports cars, but we all know if it weren't for men there would be no 660 horsepower Ferraris. But like you said, at least rednecks in 4x4's can now catch a break. :D

Lol, Kindj. Now write for a government grant to do a study based on your theory (about the testosterone levels). You would stand just as good as chance at getting one as someone else I would think. Maybe put a "green" spin on it. ;)


There you go! How's this for a premise: "The recent drive toward better ecological health does in fact have a detrimental effect on the testosterone levels of normal males. While the human-hating earth-lovers might see this as a plus due to the population control possibilities, it will actually prove to have disastrous effects. The notion is that these eco-friendly/testosterone dropping measures will only take place in technologically developed countries: namely, North America and Europe, with certain subsets of Asia also participating. As the male members of these societies have their vital male hormone levels dropped, their urge to procreate will likewise drop, resulting in a population decline in these areas. This will provide the impetus for a surge in military and paramilitary activities on the part of nations whose ideology and theology drives them to world domination. Thus, the desired effect of a utopian planet where all creatures hold hands and sing "We Are The World" will not occur; rather, the previously strong and independent nations will crumble under the weight of the terrorist and homicide bomber, all in the name of jihad."

****Just humor, folks. Don't get all bent out of shape.****

I kind of like those guys in mopeds myself. Lol. It is hard to believe that 90% of the men who buy Ferrarri's are married. Come on now...

Geez, now you made me go find Ferrari owner demographics. Fortunately, thanks to the internet that is possible, lol.


Here are the demographics of the typical Ferrari owner (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/25/MTGIBJJHO51.DTL&type=autos), provided by Ferrari North America:

-- Annual household income of $1 million or more.

-- Ninety-eight percent are male.

-- Age: 35 to 55 years old.

-- Occupation: professionals, entrepreneurs and high profile individuals; 82 percent are self-employed.

-- College graduates: 79 percent.

-- Post-graduate degrees: 39 percent.

-- Half the Ferrari owners own five or more cars and 65 percent own more than one Ferrari.

No word on whether they're married - but - seeing as how Corvette buyers "typically are 35- to 55-year-old married men (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-12-15-corvette_x.htm)," and "Ferrari customers happily wait a year or two for their cars (http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/04/Autos/rich_car_shopping/index.htm)," it makes sense that most Ferrari owners would also be married and not waiting a year or two for a car to attract women.

Looking at the demographics though, do you think women would be more interested in their finances than than their Ferraris?

I kinda like those guys in mopeds myself. lol. It is hard to believe that 90% of the men who buy Ferrarri's are married. Come on now....
At the end of the day, being married is a non-issue. If 90% of the men who own Ferrarri's are married, are we supposed to believe that those men have absolutely no intention of trying to impress young ladies? ;)

Personally, I think there is nothing sexier than a man wearing an expensive three piece suit riding a motorcycle. Are the emissions any better on those?

At the end of the day, being married is a non-issue. If 90% of the men who own Ferrarri's are married, are we supposed to believe that those men have absolutely no intention of trying to impress young ladies? ;)

No. ;)


Personally, I think there is nothing sexier than a man wearing an expensive three piece suit riding a motorcycle. Are the emissions any better on those?

A Harley can get up to 45 mpg (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/MotorcycleFuelEconomyGuide/Harley-Davidson.htm), A Honda Goldwing up to 42 mpg, so motorcycles can be more fuel efficient. But who wants to wear a 3 piece suit while cruising on your bike?

A Harley can get up to 45 mpg (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/MotorcycleFuelEconomyGuide/Harley-Davidson.htm), A Honda Goldwing up to 42 mpg, so motorcycles can be more fuel efficient. But who wants to wear a 3 piece suit while cruising on your bike?

Oh, to be able to afford the HD I want sooooo badly.

However, as to the suit/bike issue:

I work with a young lady who I find rather attractive (if I weren't happily married, I'd find her VERY attractive). Anyway, she says there's nothing sexier than a "knuckle dragger" dressed up in a suit.

What better way to combine a knuckle-dragging persona with dressing nice?

kindj, unless the "knuckle dragger" cleans up well and is wearing an expensive suit, it doesn't do anything for me. BUT, if he does do that, very sexy indeedy! It is tough to explain to a guy why some of us women are turned on by stuff like that.

Steve, when you put it that way, I guess it doesn't make sense. LOL! I am talking about when a guy is using his bike to go to work. I used to see young men in beautiful 3 piece suits on bikes all the time when I worked in NYC in my younger days. It still makes my heart palpitate when I think about it! ;)

I know,

Men should run in those short running shorts

That way women will know we are in shape for you know what ;)

What better way to combine a knuckle-dragging persona with dressing nice?

Who needs a Ferrari, eh buddy? :D

It is tough to explain to a guy why some of us women are turned on by stuff like that.

Awww Ruby, there you go stereotyping us men. There are a lot of things (and I do mean a lot, bunches, heaps, oodles, mass quantities) of things men don't understand about women, but I think most of us understand why you like a sharp dressed man. ZZ Top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW_QCRGvT-g) (Texans by the way) taught us that, lol.


Steve, when you put it that way, I guess it doesn't make sense. LOL! I am talking about when a guy is using his bike to go to work. I used to see young men in beautiful 3 piece suits on bikes all the time when I worked in NYC in my younger days. It still makes my heart palpitate when I think about it!

Well, NYC, now I understand. We don't see many people in anything but leather on bikes around these parts :)

I know,

men should run in those short running shorts

that way women will know we are in shape for you know what ;)

LOL! That works too. And it's a lot cheaper than a Ferrari, as speechless pointed out above. ;)

Although, there are men out there that wear things like short shorts & speedos that have no business doing that, if you catch my drift. Just like some women who have no business wearing those shorty t-shirts ;)

Awww Ruby, there you go stereotyping us men. There are a lot of things (and I do mean a lot, bunches, heaps, oodles, mass quantities) of things men don't understand about women, but I think most of us understand why you like a sharp dressed man. ZZ Top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW_QCRGvT-g) (Texans by the way) taught us that, lol. LOL! Sorry. I keep forgetting that there are some Texans out there that do pay attention and understand what a woman finds sexy and attractive. ;)
Well, NYC, now I understand. We don't see many people in anything but leather on bikes around these parts :) umm. Skip my response above. We are back to square one. :rolleyes: hehe

Although, there are men out there that wear things like short shorts & speedos that have no business doing that, if you catch my drift. Just like some women who have no business wearing those shorty t-shirts ;)

Brace yourself...













You mean like this?

http://bp3.blogger.com/_8oLIaeKZ2XM/Ri0bnoCaoRI/AAAAAAAAANM/Xz3JDvx_fq0/s320/fat-feature-nov.jpg

We are back to square one. :rolleyes: hehe

Now, now, lol... just stating the facts. Should you have to lay your bike down for some reason you lose a lot less hide if you're wearing leather. Besides, I don't own a bike and I know how to dress :)

Ohhhh my goodness me. That pic just makes me swoon.. Or do I mean faint from fright? Hehehe. Thanks for sharing that, right after I ate dinner. Lol.

Kind - I really like your grant proposal idea. Ya never know, something like that could win a Nobel Prize.

Uh, Steve. Exactly like that.

I don't know how I missed kindj's grant proposal. I LOVE it! If you don't write grants for a living you missed your calling. I think that proposal is a much more valid one than some of the garbage studies we see grant money being spent on now.

Rush Limbaugh put it best when he said that the problem with the new "topless" laws in some states that allow women to be topless just like men is that it always seems to be used by the WRONG women. (Ditto on the other side of the fence as well. Men are just as guilty on this one.)

Speedos and spandex should come with warning lables: "If worn by fat people, may cause blindness or unstoppable laughter... in others."

If you can't see your toes, you shouldn't be wearing stuff like that.

If you can't see the speedo you are wearing, you shouldn't be wearing it.

If your dress size is in tripple digits, you shouldn't be wearing that.

If the material from your pants can be used to clothe and house an entire Somali village, you shouldn't be wearing that.

If the only excersize you've gotten in the past 30 days is the biceps curls you do when you stuff the food in your face, you probably shouldn't be wearing that.

If you have ever been on a beach and had kids pointing at you and saying "Free Willy", you shouldn't be wearing that.

If while sitting at the beach sombody tried pushing you back into the water, and when you refused to go, called for the Humane Society to send out a rescue squad, you probably shouldn't be wearing that.

If you've ever wished for more elbow room while sitting alone on a sofa, you shouldn't be wearing that.

If your arms are too short to reach the plate of food sitting on the table in front of you (but you somehow manage to eat anyway), you shouldn't be wearing that.

If instead of a fork, knife and spoon, you use a shovel, you probably shouldn't be wearing that.

If a side of beef strikes you as "a light snack", you shouldn't be wearing that.

Elliot

Ohhhh my goodness me. That pic just makes me swoon.. Or do I mean faint from fright? hehehe. Thanks for sharing that, right after I ate dinner. lol.

Always glad to be of service ;)

Enjoyed all the humor on this subject. Of course, this makes me think that a very lot of people think all this hullaballoo about global warming is a big joke. Just like the Nobel Prize these days.

Enjoyed all the humor on this subject. Of course, this makes me think that a very lot of people think all this hullaballoo about global warming is a big joke. Just like the Nobel Prize these days.

Joke? Follow the money...

Galveston,

It IS a big joke. The idea that the UN can waive a magic wand, say that their report is the be-all and end-all of environmental studies, and suddenly make global warming a reality is the biggest joke I've heard in years.

Elliot

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Goran_Climatologists.jpg

Oh Tom, you are so funny. Teehee. :)

Great picture, Tom. How many blank pages in that book? Lol

I find the Bible funny too!

I find the Bible funny too!

Well, there was that part where Aaron told Moses, "I just threw all the gold in the fire and this calf came out."

Well, there was that part where Aaron told Moses, "I just threw all the gold in the fire and this calf came out."Haha... and then there's all that Adam and Eve nonsense. :)

I find the Bible funny too!

What does the Bible have to do with this discussion?

Same as the Koran or Gore, absolutely nothing!

Same as the Koran or Gore, absolutely nothing!

I beg your pardon, it was my discussion and I say Global Warming Guru, The Goracle, is entirely relevant to the discussion. He is one of those men that's to blame for global warming... probably more so than anyone else right now. :D

Ok, enjoy your little party, I know this discussion board stuff is important to you. :D

Ok, enjoy your little party, I know this discussion board stuff is important to you. :D

No, no NK, feel free to join the party... we let The Goracle in didn't we? :D

It is really funy. I thout only white us men destroyed the world with the most devestation being on women children, and minorites.
Maybe the desiners of the cars should try bulding a 250 mph solar car!

Did anyone see the latest from the EU and auto standards ? Angry in the Great White North's Steve Janke details it but basically he catches onto the fact that


"EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas acknowledged that the regulations could add 1,300 euros ($1,874) to the price of a car... Manufacturers like Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini, which make high-end luxury racers and sell fewer than 10,000 cars a year, would be exempt."


Rich people cars exempt from greenhouse gas rules (http://stevejanke.com/archives/250680.php)

I wonder which one of these brands the Goracle or John Edwards drives ?

Do they drive their own cars anymore? I thought they had limousines at their disposal.:D

Do they drive their own cars anymore? I thought they had limousines at their disposal.:D

This article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071220/ap_po/personal_side_highlights) lists what the candidates say was their first car and current vehicles. According to Giuliani, “I don’t drive, I navigate.”

It also gives me a reason not to trust Huckabee, he doesn't like carrots and banned them from the governor's mansion because he could. Ain't nothing like pot roast carrots if you ask me :D

Thanks for the link speechlesstx. Wasn't it Reagan or Bush Sr who didn't like broccoli? I don't remember. I like my broccoli and carrots. So, if I had to vote based on food preference, Huckabee wouldn't get my vote. Awww. Who am I kidding? He wouldn't get my vote even if he did like carrots.

I beg your pardon, it was my discussion and I say Global Warming Guru, The Goracle, is entirely relevant to the discussion. He is one of those men that's to blame for global warming...probably more so than anyone else right now. :D
Aww, don't let NK bother you. He just likes to fire up an argument. Probably doesn't believe half of what he writes anyway.

Aww, don't let NK bother you. He just likes to fire up an argument. Probably doesn't believe half of what he writes anyway.What a nice Christian thing to say. I believe everything I say/type, unlike yourself.

Aww, don't let NK bother you. He just likes to fire up an argument. Probably doesn't believe half of what he writes anyway.

Galveston1, I don't let NK bother me, I just jump right into the mix :D

I didn't think I was bothering anyone; just contributing. :)
But to say that I don't believe everything I say makes me sound like some kind of hypocrite and that's not nice to say.

I didn't think I was bothering anyone; just contributing. :)
But to say that I don't believe everything I say makes me sound like some kind of hypocrite and that's not nice to say.

Pardon my failure to address that portion, you are right, it isn't a nice thing to say. Keep on contributing NK :)

Haha...and then there's all that Adam and Eve nonsense. :)

I'm sure you have reliable information from about 6,000 years ago that will throw some light on the Adam and Eve thing. I can hardly wait to read it.

What a nice Christian thing to say. I believe everything I say/type, unlike yourself.
Don't be so sensitive. I apologize. I just think you are joking a lot of the time.