I'll try and get straight to the point giving the best "details" I can. I stumpled upon this site... read a few threads and don't really understand what the true purpose of this forum is. Is it to help? If so.. do you know what help is? Is it really needed in all cases? Why should you do it because in my eyes.. the best help is to help your own self.

Don't get me wrong... some people do need serious help here n you should tell them what n how to do it but others... what makes you so special to "tell them what to do" how do you even know your right? If there is a correct answer it would prob be from experience in your own life but even so... everybody is different.

Try (I say try because your not going too) and help me from the true words below, using me as an example. What would the "helpers" of this site say to me.

I have been doing weed for about 4 years while growing up and learning in my life and I could say I don't have any problem. Weed like other drugs is not a problem for anyone. The problem is the people and how they grow up in there life. A person can smoke pot... can take vikes and can do coke (on a legendary basis) and live the "perfect" life. It's all about the person who takes them, how they take them, why they do etc... I smoke weed and take vikes because its enjoyable... just like eating and hanging out with fiends. I understand the risk's and outcomes but am able to work around them for the benefits. I realize what they can do so I make sure that doesn't happen. Just like I realize what eating too much can do so I make sure it doesn't happen. I went through HS smoking weed.. doing coke taking vikes and get the 3r best grades in my school. I'm 18 making 16.50 an hour with over $10,000 saved up still living under the roof of my mom while smoking weed and taking vikes. I don't plan to stop but I do plan on doing it in a more responsible way to grow up that much more in my life. The only problem that these drugs did to me was made me forget the life and how too's of many things before I started. Like I use to not want to go to the movies or hang out w/ppl if I diddnt smoke or have weed because I forgot how have fun with out it. It took a bit of time but I evolved to the state in which I can now. Am I going downhill in my life? To me is the complete opposite and to me with out that I might not be where I am happily today... what more can an 18yr old ask for?

Well I'm usually extremely good with words but if I continue anymore ill type something stupid. To sum this up while 4geting about the super addictive crazy people the grew up with their fingers up there butt, what would you say to me? Why? What makes YOU so sure your saying the right best possible thing? A person asking help how to stop weed, coke, vike, cutting themselves etc... doesn't need to be told how... they know. The best "help" would be to stfu and let them figure it out by themselves. Would you agree? Can you take drugs in the same matter that you eat food?

-Thanks for your time... ill be here to add more and hopefully "help" the people who really need "help" so bring it on. Im only 18... how much can I know? Maybe my brain is just more evolved in certain ways then most... thats what I believe... im the next step in evolution... believe it

NUNDAY DATTEBAYO

Some people just are at a lose at what to do to get help and as you say what makes us so special to answer? Like I tell my daughters when they say they would never have me help them pick out a car for them because I always manage to get junkers. My reply is because I have had SO MANY junkers I KNOW what to look for, what to avoid, what to fix and how to go about getting it fixed. If I went to college and got the textbook answers I might be able to give the correct answer but I might not be able to relate to the answer or know how or why the answer works or doesn't work for some.
What works for this site is the fact that you can get answers from many perspectives and
Consider the options and weed out what sounds best to work for you.

As far as weed the only way you are going to quit is if you come to terms with yourself and decide in your heart YOU WANT to quit... N0B0DY can make it happen for you.

What's better for a person. Getting help or helping themselves?

Im not saying this site and/or forum is pointless, I just came to believe that there is a much better "helping" way then what was being typed. Everyone starts of at a loss. You start of at a loss when your born, you start of at a loss when you start a new game. The question is... what is best...

The best help for a homosapein is to learn from yourself. "If you climbed up the tree...you can climb down".

I helped myself. I had N0B0DY to help me with anything whatsoever, but many people just have no idea how to go about doing that. Many people have no direction and when they have to make a decision they are insecure with their decision making abilities. Especially nowadays people are told they NEED counselors for everything under the sun. They push that nobody can quit an addiction or get over an ex or abuse unless they seek counselors. But back in the day we had to figure it all out ourselves because counselors were a sign of weakness and taboo because it meant you were retarded or something. But now it is the only way to go according to today's standards.

I say it is better to make it on your own but don't be afraid to ask for help where needed.

Well if this is true... all I can say is that this world sucks (tell me something I don't know.. lol) and makes believe I'm just that more evolved then 90% of the people living on this hunk of a planet.

And there is always another way... always more then 1 way to change something or someone. Its about realizing it and following through. Going along with "nowadays" is just causing more harm. No reason to point people in the direction of that harm ehhh?

Also no one should ever be afriad to ask for "help", it's just that the "help" which is told to me here... to use a term boldly... sucks!

Well if this is true...all I can say is that this world sucks (tell me something i dnt kno..lol) and makes believe im just that more evolved then 90% of the ppl living on this hunk of a planet.
What you want to know? And why you feel you are more evolved?


And there is always another way....always more then 1 way to change something or someone. Its about realizing it and following thru. Going along with "nowadays" is just causing more harm. No reason to point ppl in the direction of that harm ehhh?
Exactly!


Also no one should ever be afriad to ask for "help", it's just that the "help" which is told to me here....to use a term boldly.....sucks!
I checked your profile to see WHAT was told to you to see what sucks and you don't have any other asked questions listed there... so I guess I can't really help you in anyway... I guess that sucks!

I feel more evolved due to everything this has happen in and around my life. I view myself smart in many ways then others... one being decision making but also stupid in other ways. To me, many people are stupid because of what they do and I can understand why when I take the time to figure it out. Im able to realize certain things faster then many others. An example would be on how a person is feeling.. why a person made that decision to a question or problem. Im also able to make a person believe what I want them to believe... make a person do what I want them to do. That's why I think I'm the next step in human evolution and laughing at this sentence would just prove this to me more that its true. I thought I was crazy about this at first but also thought it to be strange. After many experiments I now believe. I just to what to do... how to do it... what to say and how to say it in the blink of an eye to the outcome I choose. I was able to meet a girl that truly hated the whole cheating on someone thing and would never go out with a cheater... but after some time and my magic, she wanted me to cheat on my g/f with her... EXACTLY what I was trying to make her do. I never wanted to cheat nor did I but just wanted to see if I can make yet another different person do something I want. That's why I believe I'm more evolved.

I alos use a more % of my brain then the avrg human. I have a vision of 20:15 which I believe most should know is better then 20:20. I smoke weed, take vikes, done coke and plan to do shrooms for the second and last time of my life. This doesn't mean I need help.

I only started this thread and typed what I have type not for help... but to learn and understand something that was cloudy to me. People where saying stuff which I believe was wrong and/or they could have typed something better. I wanted to know why and how come? I don't need to ask any questions to the ones outside this thread simply because its not needed. Ill aneswer them my damn self and if I cant.. I'll keep on trying, its how I grew up.

The way you see yourself in your eyes , I guess it is the only thing that truly matters in life.

The way you see yourself in your eyes , I guess it is the only thing that truly matters in life.
Which creates more questions that prob don't have a right answer. Is this good or bad? Is it true or not. Etc...

If its true in your eyes in your world... then it's true.. but if your asking me if I think you have it all together... well then you probably will not like what I have to say.

If its true in your eyes in your world...then it's true..but if your asking me if I think you have it all together...well then you probably will not like what I have to say.
You gave me my first smile of this day. Thanks!

But nevertheless I'm interested n curious as to what you would say. I might not like it now but who's to say I won't like it in the future? Never hurts to try ehh

I basically follow what you are saying and I know that the main problem is most people are complacent and only think about what involves them personally at the minute. They buy new cars and take them to the dealer under warrantee so they don't need to know anything about cars and that is basically how they get through life with everything-no need to figure it out cause the repair guy will do it for me.
They go to work, go home, watch TV, run to Wal Mart, sleep, get up and ready to go back to work... they are in their own little rut maze and content. They argue their side of politics and religion and don't want to hear or consider any other view.
It is an 'instant convenience store' mentality.
But I don't think trying to manipulate people is how to use your *abilities*

Nohelp, manipulate? I believe that is what most addicts do. Or at least the ones that I have known, do.

Yeah, and most of the time addicts will say they are superiorto others. That is the drugs tricking them into a false sense of security. You think they realize? Phish no
And they love to hear themselves talk, bless his little heart. I would have chatted, but I ha to cook dinner. I think he may have been looking for an argument anyway.

Yeah Bushg I know what you are saying but all my addict friends are at the other end of the spectrum now. Their brain cells are so fried that they have to ask 'where are we going?' 6 times each while I am taking them to the store three minutes away.

Isn't that so sad. Some people get out but a lot of damage is already done. I was never addicted to anything but so many people in my life were I saw it all of my life... my first memories were of family members being drunk. Lying tied up in torn bedsheets in nthe landing my grandmother used to tie up my gramps to keep him from going back to the bar.

Yeah, and most of the time addicts will say they are superiorto others. That is the drugs tricking them into a false sense of security. You think they realize? phish no
And they love to hear themselves talk, bless his little heart. I would have chatted, but I ha to cook dinner. I think he may have been looking for an arguement anyway.

I kind of was looking for an argument but only for the greater good of myself. There's nothing wrong with an argument as your words make me believe you already know. Anyway, you gave me a question that I must figure out the answer for myself and I thank. Maybe because of the fact I'm a pot head I do believe my crazy evolution theory... maybe not. I don't like to hear myself talk but rather learn more on what I can do when I talk... if that makes any sense.

Here's a question I would like yours and other opinions on: Wha would you say, what advice or "help" would you give to me. I've done coke... took pills... smoked weed everyday for 5yrs but through all that all my relationships went fine (maybe cause of the fact I can control them to most of my liking.. even a damn shrink who admitted this to me). I've saved up over $10,000 dollar from nothing, got high honors all thru-out HS and finished 3rd best in my class. What would you say to that leaving the whole illegal... can get you in trouble deal and/or can kill you and cause you harm just like everything else in this world, for example... sugar isn't so great for your body.

-Thanks for all yours time...I look forward to continue this disscussion after my nap since I just got done doing how damn many support tac welds in Yankee stadium.

And for a second question. I am an addict to drugs and I accept the harm it can do but is that the reason I can manipulate and if so... why so god damn good? How can I live the life many others can only dream for while continuing my drug habits?

I'm not sure what threads you were reading that offered unhelpful advise. The whole point of this site is to gather information. How you choose to use it is entirely up to you. If you don't find it helpful to you, don't use it.

Maybe you looking for an argument, maybe not. But you are arguing. Do all the drugs you wish. (Get good grades? Either you're too high right now, or don't know how to spell.) Pot, that green weed the government tries to control, is a problem. It hasn't gotten to you yet. You still have space in your brain. Weed clogs mental synapses with a fat-soluble "glue." It stays with you for years, clogging your ability to think. The whole time you think that it makes you a deeper thinker. It lies.

Vikes, as you call them are vicodin? I think that's a combination of tylenol and opiate? Opiates can be taken for years by a select few who never become fully addicted. I hope that you are in that select few. Opiates, morphine and heroin all single out mu receptors. The receptors take up the drug and the body is blocked from sensations of pain. When you aren't able to get opiates into your system, your body feels every pain it is currently suffering plus all the pain it missed out on while you were on the drug. So I'm told.

Why would it be your last time on shrooms?

I never said the threads I looked through gave unhelpful advice but where much better advice for the person could be given and why it wasn't. This I know to be true just as true is 2+2=4. Im not so in lines of looking for an argument but more of a discussion so I can just understand and learn from, like you said this site is about. Nevertheless I will aneswer your question to see what you would say next.

Understand that I understand what these different drugs are and what they can do and the different levels of risk's each one has. I just believe they aren't as "bad" as most people make others believe but for the greater good, they should believe such even though the fact they are being "lied" too doesn't really help nor is lying useful advice (would it be so much harm for the avrg human to smoke pot, sniff a line or 2 of coke here and there as long as they "knew better"). It' a next step in making this race that much better.


"The whole time you think that it makes you a deeper thinker. It lies."

I have to have some time to think how I can prove this to not be such a "bad thing" even if its only to a select few people. I am tired, been up for close to 48hrs working n smoking pot... im exhausted and need my rest because if I continue you will... ummm... lets say own me in this discussion. I will just simply answer your question and continue this when I'm ready.

I want to do shrooms one more time in my life as a type of break, a different type of fun. I know the risk's so no bother telling me them,it's a stupid thing to do on my part bt hey.. its a type of belief I have just like with your own. You can have fun, it's a change as long as your responsible enough and not stupid. That's really all too it. I can stop myself of an addiction easily with no symptoms. I've stopped pot for a month straight after doing it everyday for 3.11 years, I felt the same when doing them. Stopped coke fine (all because it's a waste of damn money) and vikes. I want to do it only 1 more time due to the risk's but the reasons are exactly the same as if you wanted to go hang out w/friends.. go to the movie... got to eat dinner. They both share the same reasons us humans choice to do it for. Do you think you could have achieved what I have while doing these drugs. If not, why can I?

And bring up me spelling is pointless. Im typeing on a computer, weather (yes I spelt that wrng on purpose) I type correctly or not means nothing. Its just more quick and u understand perfectly. Loo|< 0utsde your box n relize hat spelling has nuntin 2 d0 w/it if u und3rst4nd what i am saying or asking and that drugs can have NOTHING AT ALL to do with it yet the person itself.

And my body doesn't feel like you said if Ichoice to stop or not... I'v tried mysaelf. Mind of matter...

The purpose of this site is questions and answers, not counseling, but with that said the main problem people with problemsand addictions have is that they don't see how bad they are and how much they are hurting thierself and others. So normally until they want to get help there is nothing that can happpen, and normally without a support group a person with addictions will not stay off it, so that is why getting help is so important, not in every case but in most

My reply to your question is:
As great as your mind and life works 0N drugs think how much BETTER it might be 0FF of drugs.
EXAMPLE:
I thought I was 100% healthy and my mind worked great *except for some seasonal affective arthritis and occasional rare mind going blank* Then I changed my diet to an anabolic diet. Just using sea salt instead of table salt made a world of difference to my arthritis. I haven't even totally *switched* to the whole diet and I know stuff that is going to happen before it happens, and have figured out things before anybody else, my reflexes have been even more quick than they were and I haven't had the little bit of brain fog that I was having. And I never did drugs and haven't needed doctors since my last baby was born in 1988.
I watch people around me and most of them are in a brain fog.

One time I asked someone, "Why if crack makes you skinny are there S0 many fat crack heads? They said, "Imagine how much fatter they would be if they didn't do the crack."

S0 the point of what I am saying is that as great as you claim to be doing, if you change some things in your life like giving up drugs and changing some things think of H0W much more in the direction of being
more evolved then 90% of the ppl living on this hunk of a planet.
You could be 120% to 160% evolved.

I understand what the last two replys from N0help4u and Fr_Chuck, but what if it's only because this happen to me (using me as the example is just easyier atm) that I am who I am because of the choices I made. What happens if I diddnt make the choices I did I wouldn't be in jail right now. Is this impossible?

Life is about making choices and learning and growing from the consequesnces. Unfortunately some people NEVER learn or they choose bitterness and so forth rather than learning and growing. There were many times when I was in really tough times and all I could do was work my way out by thinking things through and what changes would improve my situation from the point I was at at the time.
The main thing in life is learning and growing and becoming a WHOLE person.

The main thing in life is learning and growing and becoming a WHOLE person.

I understand now and there is no aneswer or advice that could be told to what I seek. I understand how hard it would be for 1 person to change something big and the time it would take. Thanks a whole lot. This discussion does not need to continue any further.

However, I still believe myself to be "smarter then most others" with you being apart of it. Just goes to show a "drugy could be the same or better then you....".

However, I still believe myself to be "smarter then most others" with you being apart of it. Just goes to show a "drugy could be the same or better then you....".

LOL you have no idea what I know and don't know,

Sounds like we would be great friends. Im truly glad I had the lucky chance to talk to you.

Certainly very full of yourself spit, that's the first indication that your really not.

About your wonderful theory on being able to handle drugs and whatever else it is you can control. Being able to "control" your drug use at 18 is not because you are "evolved..lol" its because you have had little exposure to them. Most addicts take a while using a substance before they become addicted (start at 13 and its full blown by 20/25 as an example) actually some people drink moderatly or not at all during their teens only to struggle with alcoholism in their 30's. IT's more of a mentality than the actual substance, decisions you make at 18 have an effect on you when your 28, what effects those are you will have to wait and see. The mere fact you do take vikes and oter substances at 18 is a small indication of the choices you may make when your 20-22-25, so you may be well on your way.

The simple answer of helping yourself is nonsense, seems like you watch too many Nike commercials. It's a state of mind, today's society puts emphasis on sports icons and failing is a sign of weakness, survival of the fittest. It's all B.S. "Man has need of many things which he alone is incapable of providing" - Aristotle

An expert on life at 18, that's good:)

Oh, spit420 your post amuse's me. It is OK to be so full of yourself, but trust me honey you will fall. I am married to a addict/former, sometimes falls of the wagon. I see so much of you in him or his younger self, that it is funny... common... scary.
Oh, by the way his trade is welder... let me tell you drinking is very hard on a welder, as is welding in itself. I'm not sure how welders are on drugs as that never seemed to be 1 of his weakness. But who really knows but him. Manipulating people is also hard, you will run across some that you can not control. Trust me.
You will change or attempt to change when your current lifestyle is not working for you.
Be safe and hopefully you will not burn to many brain cells out, before your ready. I'm wishing you the best.

Only you can decide your own answers to those questions for yourself. A person can never be totally sure that the "right" help was given, only that the best of what they knew was offered. If, with your own intelligence, you feel that you need no help, then great for you. Treat yourself with whatever plant you choose to help you along with your philosophy, but watch out for the paranoia and the munchies. At least by asking help from other people on here, one does not have to worry about the price. Sometimes, you get what you pay for, and other times you get a real treasure.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for, and other times you get a real treasure.
Yeah, like those dirt fields in Arkansas where you buy a ticket and get to look for diamonds, or like the lottery. I think the odds of getting good information and helpful advice here is quite a bit better than that, and you don't have to buy a ticket. Anybody with enough sense to give good advice realizes that they can't guarantee it because so much depends on the "application" of the product.

"Man has need of many things which he alone is incapable of providing" - Aristotle
Aristotle... He's an old guy, right?

Reallllllll old!

Which creates more questions that prob dnt have a right answer. Is this good or bad? Is it true or not. Etc....
The answer is in your reality, whatever that is, for this moment, minute, hour or day. The next moment it may be something different, each breath we take each thought we think gives opportunity that our reality will change, our truth will change.

The only thing I can say to our resident young hop head, is until you have been tested by time, stfu.

The only thing I can say to our resident young hop head, is until you have been tested by time, stfu.
Time is of the essence young one...

The others may tolerate your dope-induced rant, but I find it offensive. Like the commercial says "this is your brain on drugs", Have you no shame?

The others may tolerate your dope-induced rant, but I find it offensive. Like the commercial says "this is your brain on drugs", Have you no shame?
Your beliefs blind you, but let me guess, it's just the drugs taking... hmph. Decision made today might help for the ones made tomorrow then w/o, maybe not, you have no clue.

And telling me to stfu isn't really the best thing you can say, just a little example on something I was trying to prove. I'm a "drugy" like anyone else coming tom post here innocently for help and/or advice. Why label me different? Is it because I understand that sticks and stones could break my bones but names will never hurt me?

Your beliefs blind you, but let me guess, it's just the drugs taking...hmph. Decision made today might help for the ones made tomorrow then w/o, maybe not, you have no clue.

And telling me to stfu isnt really the best thing you can say, just a little example on something I was trying to prove. I'm a "drugy" like anyone eles coming tom post here innocently for help and/or advice. Why label me different? Is it because I understand that sticks and stones could break my bones but names will never hurt me?


Huh? Who exactly are you trying to prove something to? If you're hoping to have a bunch of people sing your praises, then you might consider changing your name to something like Charles Manson. He's a bit hard to understand too.

Well I can talk from experience, was in the drugs in the 60/70s
Yes when you are on the drugs, you loose any real claim to reality and you are subject to opinons that are normally not based on any logic at all.
I have seen in older years stoners who write school reports, they are to laugh at, and the kids believed they did great jobs.

You will not accept the truths because you can't understand, until you finally hit rock bottom, you will not want help. So until you want help you can't be helped

I have given you some excellent advice, you choose not to take it, or ignore it, and continue to talk in circles. So again stfu, until you have a real question, or a sensible conversation.

Have to spread the rep Talai:
I CAN'T wait to see something of substance... IF his claims are sooooo VALID
It C0ULD prove to be interesting...

IN the meantime, excuse me while I go and twiddle my thumbs and weave baskets...

They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~norm/TakeMeAway.html)

Well , here is what I see, a young man that comes on here trying to tell us he is evolved, so evolved that drugs make his life better and he understands everybody and everything and can control all.
He can talk in circles, we can all talk in circles.

He lives with mommy, makes 16.50 an hour in New York, which by the way is not that much money for that state. Has 10,000 saved... which he has done while living with mamma.
Who keeps a roof over your head , pays the utility bills, phone bill, cable bill, grocery bill etc...
Addicts are always better off when someone else is helping to foot the bill. When there are no children involved. When there are no signs of heart, liver or kidney damage from the drug use.

Spit420, I suspect you saw some of the other addicts post and got frightened that you may be one of them, so you are on here in hopes that the helpers will say, son your not one of them you have shown us that you are so evolved and have it so together, keep up the good work. Your not going to hear that because it's not true.
WHat everyone really wants to know is why you dislike yourself so badly that you need complete strangers to stroke your ego, by telling you that you have got it together.

We want to know where is your dad?
Where were your parents when you began abusing drugs at age 13?
Can they not see what you are doing to yourself? Are they turning a blind eye or to involved with their own problems to pay attention to you. Are they now or were they addicts?
Who/what made you feel so unloved that you had to have drugs for a friend to make you feel complete.
What pain are you trying to escape from?

If you really thought you were OK, the first day that you came on and I told you that you are what you think... you would have said cool, I'm great so I'm off... but you didn't you kept coming back... deep inside you know that what your doing is not OK and your not OK.

I think he likes getting high and trolling, because he has nothing better to do, and all of his accomplishments, even his job is a result of getting high, and putting on a facsade, to make you think he was so evolved. He has nothing does nothing, wants nothing except to amuse his tiny dope filled brain. Sorry for the rant, but he plays stupid while others suffer. Not fair (but feels good to jump down an idiots throat, every now and then.)

It's sad he reminds me of a lot of people I know. The type of person that is a little bit more intelligent (or a least thinks they are) and thinks general rules don't apply to them.
Big fish small pond. Maybe if he moved out of his comfort zone, and his mothers home, he'd find he isn't as highly evolved as he likes to believe.

Well I'm usually extremely good with words but if I continue anymore ill type something stupid.

Too late. You advocate illegal activity and condemn those who reach out to help others.