Sarkozy vows tough line against rioters - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/28/2104430.htm)


"Those who take it upon themselves to shoot at police will find themselves in the Assizes Court," Mr Sarkozy said. Shooting at police "has a name - attempted murder," he added


Why did Sarkozy not justify the action of these "youths?"

I'd go further . When rioters use guns to attack police it is insurrection and should be treated as such .


"What happened in Villiers-le-Bel has nothing to do with a social crisis. It has everything to do with a 'thugocracy'," Sarkozy blames Paris riots on 'thugocracy' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/29/wfrance129.xml)

He isn't quite politically incorrect yet. He has not identified the rioters for what they are yet. Muslim immigrants.

Sarkozy - politically incorrect?

I certainly hope so.


Why did Sarkozy not justify the action of these "youths?"

Because he's not a lib. Because there is no justification for murder. Because there's no justification for these riots. Because he realizes just how well (or not) justifying the actions of the riotors has worked in preventing more riots. Because for the first time in many decades, France has a leader that's got a pair and isn't afraid to speak his mind.

Elliot

I'd go further . When rioters use guns to attack police it is insurrection and should be treated as such .

Sarkozy blames Paris riots on 'thugocracy' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/29/wfrance129.xml)

He isn't quite politically incorrect yet. He has not identified the rioters for what they are yet. Muslim immigrants.
Uneducated, unemployed, for the most part,…Muslim immigrants who are living off the backs of the employed. Just like the illigals in America would be if granted green cards.

"Many young people in the "quartiers" -- the tough housing estates at the centre of the riots -- feel marginalized from the prosperous life of middle class France and are deeply suspicious of the police.

Often the children of black or North African immigrants or working class white parents, many struggle to find work or are condemned to precarious dead-end jobs, often involving a long commute. They say their background puts off potential employers.

The government has pledged to spend 12 billion euros ($17.7 billion) on urban renewal over five years and will launch a plan to boost jobs in the deprived suburbs on January 22."

From

Relative calm in riot-hit French suburb | International | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL264262220071128?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0)


Is this going to be an ongoing problem for France if immigrants don't assimilate?

Most of their population growth could be attributed to immigration and their fertility rates.
Demography of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France)


Could this be a US problem if illegal imigrants don't assimilate?


Thanks

Could this be a US problem if illegal imigrants don't assimilate?


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Absolutely!! That's why so many people support English as the national language... the better to bring about integration. (I hate the word assimilation... it has religious connotations of "Hellenism" and "intermarriage" for me. I prefer the word "integration". But for the purposes of this conversation, they are one and the same.)

This is also why so many people want to see better control of our borders and better knowledge of who's entering and leaving the USA... to keep this sort of thing from happening here.

As for the idea that some Muslims in Paris housing projects feel "disenfranchised"... well, if they feel that way, nobody is keeping them there. Nobody is forcing them to stay in those unbearable, disenfranchisement conditions, where they get free or low-cost government housing, free education, free health care, multi-month paid vacations annually (for those who work --- those who don't have even more free time on their hands), various welfare programs, the rights and privileges granted to all in a democratic society like France, including freedoms of speech, worship, press, peaceful demonstration, etc. If they feel these conditions are so unbearable, they are free to return to their countries of origin to compare living conditions. If I were Sarkozy, those are the exact terms that I would use to respond to these complaints of "disenfranchisement".

Elliot

Absolutely!!! That's why so many people support English as the national language... the better to bring about integration. (I hate the word assimilation... it has religious connotations of "Hellenism" and "intermarriage" for me. I prefer the word "integration". But for the purposes of this conversation, they are one and the same.)

This is also why so many people want to see better control of our borders and better knowledge of who's entering and leaving the USA... to keep this sort of thing from happening here.

As for the idea that some Muslims in Paris housing projects feel "disenfranchised"... well, if they feel that way, nobody is keeping them there. Nobody is forcing them to stay in those unbearable, disenfranchisement conditions, where they get free or low-cost government housing, free education, free health care, multi-month paid vacations annually (for those who work --- those who don't have even more free time on their hands), varous welfare programs, the rights and priviledges granted to all in a democratic society like France, including freedoms of speech, worship, press, peaceful demonstration, etc. If they feel these conditions are so unbearable, they are free to return to their countries of origin to compare living conditions. If I were Sarkozy, those are the exact terms that I would use to respond to these complaints of "disenfranchisement".

Elliot
American is very diverse and segmented. The large cities is where the majority of immigrants have historically settled before gradually moving from there into more urban areas, and finally, after a few generations into the countryside’s across America. Actually the concept of ‘Assimilation’ is changing, although, “From Many, One” remains the motto; now it has become America changing as much as immigrants changing.