We know that man will not understand God with his mind, it has always been so and we are told it is so. God can not be studied like a lab animal and is not subect to our rules and our desires. And HE is refered to as male, the Father, because he has told us to refer to him as such, Since even Christ hisself refered to God the Father, it is so no matter how much moderal liberals wish to take and change God in thier image


Agreed. Jesus said
"Even the father is greater than I"
Want to know who God is?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FX9MapaNMA~
"I am who I am"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FX9MapaNMA~
"I am who I am"

The link is corrupted.

Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. the Bible (http://www.godvsthebible.com/) & The Age of Reason (http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason).
Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?

Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

Then what is your standard of truth? What do you base your beliefs upon?

Whether you choose to believe in God, you will stand before Him in the day of judgment. What we believe does not dictate truth, Truth exits whether we believe it.
I believe in a God, not the Hebrew, Christian, or Muslim gods. I don't believe the Torah, Bible, or Quran are the word of God. These are all merely man-made books.

Then what is your standard of truth? What do you base your beliefs upon?My standard of truth, & my beliefs are based on science, & the culture I live in. If I lived in a different culture my beliefs would be correspondingly different. American culture doesn't believe in cutting off the hands of a thief, but other cultures in the world do.

My standard of truth, & my beliefs are based on science, & the culture I live in. If I lived in a different culture my beliefs would be correspondingly different. American culture doesn't believe in cutting off the hands of a thief, but other cultures in the world do.

So if the basis for your belief in god, and the definition thereof is in part dependent upon your culture, do I understand you to say then that each culture much have a different god?

Also, how could a god dependent on culture of man be the one true Almighty God that created man?

Why would you question the Living God if you believe in Him? The Isrealites did this and were prohibited from entering the promised land. Have we lost the fear of the LORD?

I fear your god no more than I fear Zeus or the tooth fairy.

Are christians averse to researching anything that would contradict the bible no matter how true they might find it to be upon reading ? Every thinking christian owes it to themselves to research every source of possible contradiction, if for no other reason than being able to refute the contradictory material. Here are two good sites that every christian of intelligence ought to look into: God vs. the Bible (http://www.godvsthebible.com/) & The Age of Reason (http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason).
The bible itself is the foundation and pinnicale of all christian thought the bible itself does not lie there are no contradictions in it nor are there half truths as many claim In fact if you could find one prophecy in the old testamnt to be proven wrong then you can throw the bible away as being faulty and wrong The bible is like a wild lion in a cage you don't put the lion in the cage to protect him you put the lion in the cage to protect the reader if are really serious about the bible and you believe it to be Gods revealed revelation to man then it will defend itself No need to have some one defend it just open the cage door and examine it yourself I DARE YOU

Thanks trueblooe, that was funny. :)

the bible itself is the foundation and pinnicale of all christian thought the bible itself does not lie there are no contradictions in it nor are there half truths as many claim In fact if you could find one prophecy in the old testamnt to be proven wrong then you can throw the bible away as being faulty and wrong The bible is like a wild lion in a cage you don't put the lion in the cage to protect him you put the lion in the cage to protect the reader if are realy serious about the bible and you believe it to be Gods revealed revelation to man then it will defend itself No need to have some one defend it just open the cage door and examine it yourself I DARE YOUIf I can find one prophecy in the Old Testament that could be proven to be wrong huh ? How's this ? Ezekiel 29: 9-12 & 30: 4-16 is a prophecy that Nebuchadrezzar will destroy the land of Egypt, cause it's inhabitants to cease, the land will be made a desolate waste, Egypt would not be inhabited for 40 years, & there would never be another ruler in Egypt. The prophecy failed on all counts. Nebuchadrezzar did not destroy Egypt, it's inhabitants did not cease, the land was not made desolate & waste, it has never been uninhabited a day in it's history, & there has always been a ruler in Egypt even today. The prophecy was meant for Ezekiel's day & not some future fulfillment, for the prophecy states that Nebuchadrezzar would do it. In order for prophecy to be true it must be fulfilled literally exactly as prophesied, & they must be fulfilled 100 % of the time.

So if the basis for your belief in god, and the definition thereof is in part dependent upon your culture, do I understand you to say then that each culture much have a different god?

Also, how could a god dependent on culture of man be the one true Almighty God that created man?My belief in God is not based on my culture, but on the findings of science & the fact of existence. All my other beliefs, however, are based on the culture I live in.

Then what is your standard of truth? What do you base your beliefs upon?

Tj you might want to check out the thread linked below for more information on where non-theists get their standard of truth and their morals. It's a long thread, but it might give you a better understanding. As far as I know, deist has not contributed to the thread, but many others on this site have.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/spirituality/atheists-do-not-believe-how-111864.html

Jesus said that the Father hid the revealed knowledge of the Bible from those who are perishing. If you are not seeking to understand and know the LORD you will not understand the Bible. The Holy Spirit reveales the meanings of the verses to those who belong to Jesus, not to the world. The world cannot know or understand because the world hates the LORD Jesus and who He really is.
the bible itself is the foundation and pinnicale of all christian thought the bible itself does not lie there are no contradictions in it nor are there half truths as many claim In fact if you could find one prophecy in the old testamnt to be proven wrong then you can throw the bible away as being faulty and wrong The bible is like a wild lion in a cage you don't put the lion in the cage to protect him you put the lion in the cage to protect the reader if are realy serious about the bible and you believe it to be Gods revealed revelation to man then it will defend itself No need to have some one defend it just open the cage door and examine it yourself I DARE YOU

My belief in God is not based on my culture, but on the findings of science & the fact of existence. All my other beliefs, however, are based on the culture I live in.

The findings of science. So can you describe with specifics what findings of science have taught you about the nature of God?

The findings of science. So can you describe with specifics what findings of science have taught you about the nature of God?Astronomy & biology points to the fact that the Creator is very powerful (I don't know if It is omnipotent, but it was powerful to create the universe). These branches of science also points to the Creator being very wise, & that It must be good to have provided us with all we need in the creation, & with the capacity to reason & learn through science. That is all I can say about God, nothing else can be known of It. The so-called revelations of God in the Torah, the Bible, & the Quran, are not revelations at all. A revelation is when someone tells you something directly to you. The bible is hearsay. Hearsay is when that someone tells something to someone else, & they tell you that's what the original source said. Hearsay can be many times unreliable, that's why it's not generally admissible in a court of law. The bible is not firsthand revelation, it is secondhand hearsay.

Astronomy & biology points to the fact that the Creator is very powerful (I don't know if It is omnipotent, but it was powerful to create the universe). These branches of science also points to the Creator being very wise, & that It must be good to have provided us with all we need in the creation, & with the capacity to reason & learn through science. That is all I can say about God, nothing else can be known of It. The so-called revelations of God in the Torah, the Bible, & the Quran, are not revelations at all. A revelation is when someone tells you something directly to you. The bible is hearsay. Hearsay is when that someone tells something to someone else, & they tell you that's what the original source said. Hearsay can be many times unreliable, that's why it's not generally admissable in a court of law. The bible is not firsthand revelation, it is secondhand hearsay.

You declare it to be heresay, but then why do you believe that George Washinton existed?

Why do you believe that the Roman Empire existed?

The evidence for these historicals realities and millions of other were not given to you directly, so why do you not reject the records of them as heresay?

You declare it to be heresay, but then why do you believe that George Washinton existed?

Why do you believe that the Roman Empire existed?

The evidence for these historicals realities and millions of other were not given to you directly, so why do you not reject the records of them as heresay?The stories of George Washington & the Roman empire are not filled with ridculous accounts of the supernatural... miracles & angels & such. And I don't believe everything I read about Washington & the Roman empire. I know the story of Washington throwing a coin across the Potomac is only legend, & the story of Romulus & Remus being raised by wolves is only legend.

The stories of George Washington & the Roman empire are not filled with ridculous accounts of the supernatural...miracles & angels & such. And I don't believe everything I read about Washington & the Roman empire. I know the story of Washington throwing a coin across the Potomac is only legend, & the story of Romulus & Remus being raised by wolves is only legend.

So if anything does not agree with what you believe to be possible, am I correct in understanding that you reject it?

And I did not ask if you believe everything that you read - I asked why you believe that they existed. You did not answer that.

So if anything does not agree with what you believe to be possible, am I correct in understanding that you reject it?

And I did not ask if you believe everything that you read - I asked why you believe that they existed. You did not answer that.I reject the clearly impossible, & I accept what is written in the history books unless it is later disproven.

I reject the clearly impossible, & I accept what is written in the history books unless it is later disproven.

So you reject what you believe to be clearly impossible. Remember that over the years, what man have considered clearly impossible has changed dramatically, so this means that you are requiring God, your definition of God, to be molded according to what you believe to be possible.

So you accept some history books, as long as they relate to secular events, but not history books which speak about events which may speak about God (i.e. the Bible)... is that correct?

Can you see electricity? How do you know it exists? Can you see the wind? How do you know it exists? Can you see God? How do you know He does not exist? The Bible is written documentation of His love for us and of His plan for your life. Jeremiah 31:3 (New Living Translation)
3 Long ago the Lord said to Israel:
“I have loved you, my people, with an everlasting love.
With unfailing love I have drawn you to myself.

I reject the clearly impossible, & I accept what is written in the history books unless it is later disproven.

So you reject what you believe to be clearly impossible. Remember that over the the years, what man have considered clearly impossible has changed dramatically, so this means that you are requiring God, your definition of God, to be molded according to what you believe to be possible.

So you accept some history books, as long as they relate to secular events, but not history books which speak about events which may speak about God (i.e. the Bible)...is that correct?The bible has a "little" history in it,& much of that is questionable, but it is not a history book. The history books I read don't contain incredible accounts of the miraculous, they just report history. You're not going to brainwash me with your christian propaganda & myths. I'm not gullible. Save it for the gullible.

http://www.thetruthproject.org/
Check out this website for Truth.
The bible has a "little" history in it,& much of that is questionable, but it is not a history book. The history books I read don't contain incredible accounts of the miraculous, they just report history. You're not going to brainwash me with your christian propaganda & myths. I'm not gullible. Save it for the gullible.

The bible has a "little" history in it,& much of that is questionable, but it is not a history book. The history books I read don't contain incredible accounts of the miraculous, they just report history. You're not going to brainwash me with your christian propaganda & myths. I'm not gullible. Save it for the gullible.

My point here is that in each of the questions that I have asked, you conclusion has NOT been based on validated factual evidence, but rather on your perception, your beliefs. You thus have effectively established yourself as the standard by which truth is established, and thus, that being the case, any god resulting from that belief system would be a god of your own design or making.

That is the key difference between Christianity and your belief - the standard of truth. We accept the Bible as the standard of truth. Now you question it's credibility - that is okay as long as you are willing to validate that belief. I believe that the evidence for the credibility of the Bible is equal to or greater than that found for any of the history books that you may be thinking of.

I notice with the history books that you also did not establish their credibility but rather said that you would believe it until proven wrong. With the Bible, you just assume that it is wrong, so you are applying a completely different standard to secular history and to Christian history, which again places you as the standard by which you make that determination.

If everyone took that same approach, we would each worship different gods, and thus that approach effectively denies that there is one true God.

My point here is that in each of the questions that I have asked, you conclusion has NOT been based on validated factual evidence, but rather on your perception, your beliefs. You thus have effectively established yourself as the standard by which truth is established, and thus, that being the case, any god resulting from that belief system would be a god of your own design or making.

That is the key difference between Christianity and your belief - the standard of truth. We accept the Bible as the standard of truth. Now you question it's credibility - that is okay as long as you are willing to validate that belief. I believe that the evidence for the credibility of the Bible is equal to or greater than that found for any of the history books that you may be thinking of.

I notice with the history books that you also did not establish their credibility but rather said that you would believe it until proven wrong. With the Bible, you just assume that it is wrong, so you are applying a completely different standard to secular history and to Christian history, which again places you as the standard by which you make that determination.

If everyone took that same approach, we would each worship different gods, and thus that approach effectively denies that there is one true God.I have already invalidated the bible, in the threads "Failed prophecy" & "Failed prophecies of Jesus".

I have already invalidated the bible, in the threads "Failed prophecy" & "Failed prophecies of Jesus".

I did not see the first thread, but the second I participated in and every point that you raised was clearly refuted.

I did not see the first thread, but the second I participated in and every point that you raised was clearly refuted.I don't feel that you have refuted me at all, & I doubt that any non-christians who might have seen the thread think you have either.

I don't feel that you have refuted me at all, & I doubt that any non-christians who might have seen the thread think you have either.

You can believe as you wish.

Can you see electricity? How do you know it exists? Can you see the wind? How do you know it exists? Can you see God? How do you know He does not exist?

Electricity: I can see it in sparks. I can feel it when I touch it. I can measure it with a meter.

Wind: I can see it during a dust storm. I can feel it when it blows on me. I can measure it.

God: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for.

So unlike electricity and wind, god doesn't exist by your own standards but lets keep going just for fun.

Invisible, intangible, silent, odorless, tasteless Unicorn that only answers prayer if they are going to come true anyways: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for.

Your god = The unicorn

Tj3 just pwned someone! LOL... OMGosh! Hahaha

Tj3 just pwned someone! LOL.....OMGosh! hahahaChristians bragging about pwning people... sad. Horrible reflection on the teachings; especially considering it didn't happen.

Tj3 just pwned someone! LOL.....OMGosh! hahahaWhat does pwned mean ?

What does pwned mean ?Kiddie talk: Pwn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwned)

Kiddie talk: Pwn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwned)Ah. Thank you.

I didn't really think he made a good argument either it was just long.

It all goes back to that extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence.

I am much more likely to believe 3 people that tell me a man robbed a bank, than the 6 people who saw the same robbery and said it was monster. Why is that, I don't know the credibility of any of these 9 people but I dismissed 6 of their eye witness accounts right from the get go without even looking looking more into it. Why because I've heard of a man robbing a bank but there isn't any evidence to support monsters even existing much less robbing a bank. If those 6 people came back with more evidence than just what they say, I would consider it but right now monsters don't rob banks. People need to think this way otherwise they can get over whelmed by a few determined liars.

Christians bragging about pwning people...sad. Horrible reflection on the teachings; especially considering it didn't happen.


I totally agree with you NK (didn't know that could happen did ya), I didn't know what "pwning" meant but it clearly is immature.

Nigel5, come on, don't represent yourself as a Christian and then resort to such immature behavior. You should be a representative to the world of fairness and compassion, don't degrade yourself to this level!!

God is not invisible or silent. He speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel His presence. I can see the beauty He created for me to experience. I can know that what He says to me He will do. My God is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Him. I can see the effects of prayer on my life and for those who I've prayed for.
Mark 11:24
I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe that you’ve received it, it will be yours.
Mark 11:23-25 (in Context) Mark 11 (Whole Chapter)
John 17:20
“I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message.
John 17:19-21 (in Context) John 17 (Whole Chapter) Exodus 3:14
God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.”
Exodus 3:13-15 (in Context) Exodus 3 (Whole Chapter)
God does not need to explain the unexplainable to us. Our minds cannot comprehend the wonders of who He is.

Electricity: I can see it in sparks. I can feel it when I touch it. I can measure it with a meter.

Wind: I can see it during a dust storm. I can feel it when it blows on me. I can measure it.

God: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for.

So unlike electricity and wind, god doesn't exist by your own standards but lets keep going just for fun.

Invisible, intangible, silent, odorless, tasteless Unicorn that only answers prayer if they are going to come true anyways: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for.

Your god = The unicorn

[F]God is not invisible or silent. He speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel His presence. I can see the beauty He created for me to experience. I can know that what He says to me He will do. My God is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Him. I can see the effects of prayer on my life and for those who I've prayed for.


You can disagree with me all day long it's not going to change that you likened your god to the way you can't see electricity or wind and I showed you that there are ways that everyone can measure electricity and wind but your god has no more proof than a unicorn.

Oh and I know, I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity when the wrath of your god strikes me down. Don't worry about my soul though I've had a personal talk with Zeus and he says that I don't need to worry about the christian god. See?
Zeus is not invisible or silent. Zeus speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel Zeus' presence. I can see the beauty Zeus created for me to experience. I can know that what Zeus says to me Zeus will do. My Zeus is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Zeus. I can see the effects of prayer to Zeus on my life and for those who I've prayed for.
*Edit* Forgot to say prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist bet you can't.

You misunderstood my questions, they are to get one to admit that even though we cannot see the actual electricity or wind, we know they are there by the effects they have on our lives. Just the same with God. But, he WILL NOT be found by those who are searching to further their own deceived agenda's and ideas. He WILL BE found by those who call on Him with a pure heart.
You can disagree with me all day long it's not going to change that you likened your god to the way you can't see electricity or wind and I showed you that there are ways that everyone can measure electricity and wind but your god has no more proof than a unicorn.

Oh and I know, I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity when the wrath of your god strikes me down. Don't worry about my soul though I've had a personal talk with Zeus and he says that I'm don't need to worry about the christian god. See?
Zeus is not invisible or silent. Zeus speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel Zeus' presence. I can see the beauty Zeus created for me to experience. I can know that what Zeus says to me Zeus will do. My Zeus is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Zeus. I can see the effects of prayer to Zeus on my life and for those who I've prayed for.
*Edit* Forgot to say prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist bet you can't.

But we CAN see electricity... in the winter, when the air is dry, I can build up a static charge and put my finger near metal and SEE the spark it creates. When there is a thunderstorm, I can look in the sky and SEE lightning. We can also see the wind - the trees move, my hair moves, my shirt, leaves skitter across the ground... it's all there. I think that's the point - anyone can see electricity or the wind, there's no prerequisite for a "pure heart" or whatever. Just working eyes. If you want to make the argument one cannot see god unless he/she is looking for him, that's fine, but you can't say electricity and wind can't be seen, when they clearly can.

Let's face it. Christians are just brainwashed.

But we can see electricity and the wind. Your god on the other hand has no measurable qualities. Which is fine for you take your god from people that lived a 2000 years ago who didn't understand electricity or the wind. Just admit that god is a matter of faith and you will ignore what would be otherwise be good scientific data if it doesn't correspond to what your faith believes.

You can disagree with me all day long it's not going to change that you likened your god to the way you can't see electricity or wind and I showed you that there are ways that everyone can measure electricity and wind but your god has no more proof than a unicorn.

Oh and I know, I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity when the wrath of your god strikes me down. Don't worry about my soul though I've had a personal talk with Zeus and he says that I don't need to worry about the christian god. See?
Zeus is not invisible or silent. Zeus speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel Zeus' presence. I can see the beauty Zeus created for me to experience. I can know that what Zeus says to me Zeus will do. My Zeus is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Zeus. I can see the effects of prayer to Zeus on my life and for those who I've prayed for.
*Edit* Forgot to say prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist bet you can't.

The zeus analogy does not work.

Are there billions of zeus followers?

Have there been in the past and the present martyrs for Zeus?

Is there a BZ and AZ on dates or are trying to change it to BCE and CE which still acknowledges Jesus?

Are there people arguing over the existence of zeus?

Are there people blaming or defending Zeus?

Has Zeus inspired a literary work that is a perennial bestseller, translated in multiple languages, whose authenticity is questioned, and that people live their lives by?

Are there billion selling movies about Zeus?

You can ask the same thing about Your unicorn, purple dragon examples.








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But we can see electricity and the wind. Your god on the other hand has no measurable qualities. Which is fine for you take your god from people that lived a 2000 years ago who didn't understand electricity or the wind. Just admit that god is a matter of faith and you will ignore what would be otherwise be good scientific data if it doesn't correspond to what your faith believes.

You can't see electricity nor wind. Static and lightning are the effects of electricity. Your hair blowing, trees bending, etc. are effects of the wind.
Of course the belief in God is a matter of faith. Who denied it?
We could say the same to you. You ignore what could otherwise be good evidence of God's existence because science can't explain it. It's a matter of one's individual opinion.
Most of us don't ignore science. God's explanation makes more sense to us than science's explainations. Just like science's explainations makes more sense to you than God's

Are there billions of zeus followers?
At one point in time there were millions but we both know just because a lot of people believe something is right doesn't make it so, slavery for example.
Have there been in the past and the present martyrs for Zeus?
Past yes and present yes
I Still Worship Zeus - National Film Network (http://www.nationalfilmnetwork.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=182&Title=I%20Still%20Worship%20Zeus)
Is there a BZ and AZ on dates or are trying to change it to BCE and CE which still acknowledges Jesus?
This just proves that christians push their believes on people who don't want them. What's your point?
Are there people arguing over the existence of zeus?
Isn't that what were doing right now?
Are there people blaming or defending Zeus?
During greek history yes. It was the will of Zeus or some other god depending on what was going on.
Has Zeus inspired a literary work that is a perennial bestseller, translated in multiple languages, whose authenticity is questioned, and that people live their lives by?
How do you prove inspired work? Zeus really wasn't into books but there are are some really nice temples that were built and people did try to live there lives to gain Zeus' favor.
Are there billion selling movies about Zeus?
Movies about Zeus? I didn't realize that movies were our basis for reality but I'll bite. Zeus not so much but I don't really remember that many movies that star god either. You must want to compare movies that star the sons of gods. In your example Jesus in mine Hercules. I think Hercules has done a few movies. I looked it up IMDB. There are 70 partial title matches for Hercules and 214 for Jesus. Considering Hercules reached his peak worshipping popularity much before movies were even thought of, I'd have to say advantage Hercules(son of Zeus) for staying power.








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Isaiah 45:21
Consult together, argue your case.Get together and decide what to say.Who made these things known so long ago?What idol ever told you they would happen?Was it not I, the Lord?For there is no other God but me,a righteous God and Savior.There is none but me.
Romans 9:20
No, don't say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?”
Matthew 11:25
[ Jesus' Prayer of Thanksgiving ] At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.
2 Timothy 2:24
A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people.


Bowing out of this argument. Thanks all. Kel

Michael b:

I'm curious as to the last reported martyr for Zeus?

Chinese Christian Martyr, Jiang, copied from VOM (http://www.gospelweb.net/Martyrdom/ChineseMartyrJiang.htm) for example.

BC and AD just goes to show the influence of Christianity in the western world of which Greece is a part of.

As to movies: The Passion - to name one. There are others like, Chronicles of Narnia which is Christian based.

Here's more t think about:
Are there charitible organizations that are Zeus based? Analogous to Christian organizations like The Salvation Army, St Jude's, faith based hospitals etc...



Everything about Zeus is in the past, and of little influence today.
And the only reason I thought of Zeus, or unicorns is because you brought it up.






Grace and Peace

Zeus was cooler than Yahweh. Hercules was cooler than Jesus.

inthebox,
You have no idea of the power and influence the Flying Spagetti Monster has over you. May his noodly appendage touch you in ways that make you happy.

NK

Michael b:

I'm curious as to the last reported martyr for Zeus?

Chinese Christian Martyr, Jiang, copied from VOM (http://www.gospelweb.net/Martyrdom/ChineseMartyrJiang.htm) for example.

BC and AD just goes to show the influence of Christianity in the western world of which Greece is a part of.

As to movies: The Passion - to name one. There are others like, Chronicles of Narnia which is Christian based.

Here's more t think about:
Are there charitible organizations that are Zeus based? Analogous to Christian organizations like The Salvation Army, St Jude's, faith based hospitals etc....

Everything about Zeus is in the past, and of little influence today.
And the only reason I thought of Zeus, or unicorns is because you brought it up.

Grace and Peace

The point of the Zeus example is that he was once a powerful god that if you would have denied his existence to his followers then they would have fought just as hard as christians do today many harder. They had just as much proof for their god as you do yours and theirs was around first. His followers would go on and on about how you just have to have faith in Zeus but every christian dismisses them without a second thought. Why? If it is simply because christianity is more popular that doesn't sound like a good reason to me.

Popularity is not the reason.

Truth, purpose, meaning, acceptance, forgiveness, and love are just some of the reasons.




Grace and Peace

The point of the Zeus example is that he was once a powerful god that if you would have denied his existence to his followers then they would have fought just as hard as christians do today many harder. They had just as much proof for their god as you do yours and theirs was around first. His followers would go on and on about how you just have to have faith in Zeus but every christian dismisses them without a second thought. Why? If it is simply because christianity is more popular that doesn't sound like a good reason to me.


1)If they did then they would have been as big as judaism, islam or christianity. 2

2)christianity wasn't so popular during the time greeks believed in zeus or wateva.

But we CAN see electricity.... in the winter, when the air is dry, I can build up a static charge and put my finger near metal and SEE the spark it creates. When there is a thunderstorm, I can look in the sky and SEE lightning. We can also see the wind - the trees move, my hair moves, my shirt, leaves skitter across the ground... it's all there. I think that's the point - anyone can see electricity or the wind, there's no prerequisite for a "pure heart" or whatever. Just working eyes. If you want to make the argument one cannot see god unless he/she is looking for him, that's fine, but you can't say electricity and wind can't be seen, when they clearly can.


WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

Let's face it. Christians are just brainwashed.

Lets face it if you had an education you're practically brain washed.

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WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

Ever heard of a microscope?


Lets face it if you had an education you're practically brain washed.

So education is a bad thing? Oh, and you might want to further your own brain washing education... your spelling is lacking. :)

WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

Well technically you can't see anything but photons. So you can't see your computer just the photons bouncing off it or that it emits. That isn't how we think of vision as working in our everyday lives though. It's still makes me think the example is meant to overwhelm the logic of a 5 year old. A reasonable adult just thinks it's not a good analogy. I wouldn't even think that someone that believes in god would think that it would be a good analogy since we understand electricity and wind very well yet god you all say we are not suppose to understand.

Also
Definitions of wind on the Web:
air moving (sometimes with considerable force) from an area of high pressure to an area of low pressure; "trees bent under the fierce winds...

Smoke /smoʊk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[smohk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, smoked, smok·ing.
–noun 1. the visible vapor and gases given off by a burning or smoldering substance, esp. the gray, brown, or blackish mixture of gases and suspended carbon particles resulting from the combustion of wood, peat, coal, or other organic matter.

So smoke is a visible gas. Air is a gas. So if the air is smokey it is still air. So if the smokey air is moving that is wind and that can be seen just as much as anything else we see in our daily lives.

Lets face it if you had an education you're practicaly brain washed.So you admit you are uneducated huh.

So you admit you are uneducated huh.

I admit am brain washed... LOL

Well technically you can't see anything but photons. So you can't see your computer just the photons bouncing off of it or that it emits. That isn't how we think of vision as working in our everyday lives though. It's still makes me think the example is meant to overwhelm the logic of a 5 year old. A reasonable adult just thinks it's not a good analogy. I wouldn't even think that someone that believes in god would think that it would be a good analogy since we understand electricity and wind very well yet god you all say we are not suppose to understand.


Yes we only see light(photons) bouncing of objects.. and yes the definition of "sight" is ability to detect reflected light. And yes its not a good analogy.. but the argument was in that line of thought and I went along with it. In any case the naked eye cannot see electricity and air

Yes we only see light(photons) bouncing of objects..and yes the definition of "sight" is ability to detect reflected light. And yes its not a gud analogy..but the argument was in that line of thought and i went along with it. In any case the naked eye cannot see electricity and air

We have other very effective senses, and touch can easily detect wind and electricity almost directly.

Question closed.

And a) as a sidenote and b) one of the reasons it's now closed: it was not a real question to begin with.

PS: deist, this is a public warning. Review the FAQ.