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Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 06:55 PM
AS I WAS SAYING

Why was she chosen out of all the women?

J_9
Sep 16, 2007, 06:58 PM
Your post was shut down because it was becoming flippant and disrespectful. Please use your manners.

Fr_Chuck
Sep 16, 2007, 06:58 PM
I read your last post, and it was not closed, it was deleted. Not by me but another moderator.

You obviously don't really want to know but wish to attack the teachings of both christianity and Islam.

The bible in the NT gives you a complete reason and answer to how, I am sure you already know but read it and you will know.

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 07:01 PM
Okay I woudlnt attack my own religion. (Christianity) It was simple a joke. (I gooof around A lot, okay, not to offend but because I have a sarcastic sense of humor)

Uhm, no I don't why she was chosen? If I did I wouldn't be asking.

I don't even have a bible, I do but its not in english so that isn't much of help to me.

^^^ Anyway ignoring all that

Can anyone tell me why Mary was chosen to give birth to baby Jesus out of all the other women?

J_9
Sep 16, 2007, 07:27 PM
Simply put, in a way that a youngster can understand

She was chosen because she was pure at heart.

paraclete
Sep 16, 2007, 07:35 PM
She was in the right place at the right time and had the right attitude

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 07:36 PM
Thanks, still puzzled at why her but thanks.

Wha tsection of the bible is this in ?

Fr_Chuck
Sep 16, 2007, 07:47 PM
There were many factors with Mary, first she was a virgin, she was in the correct family line, Jesus had to be of the right lineage.
Next it was arranged for her to already marry Joseph, who also needed to be of certain lineage ( he as step father would provide certain lineage to Jesus also) and have to fulfill certain old testement prophecy.

So in general terms, she was basically borned to be this person.

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 07:50 PM
Okay thank you but which confuses me because lets say your not a religious person at all.

Can it be proven that was was magically pregnant?

I hate the battle of religion and science

Eh I know it's a matter of opinion so itts not the best question

Fr_Chuck
Sep 16, 2007, 08:04 PM
One can not really prove Mary was even alive, beyond some early writings.
So no, but the fact that two very different religions both base the same claims is one of the most unusual factors of it.

Next if one is not a Christian, this is the least of the things you have to accept on faith, The entire concept of Christianity is that Jesus died, and was raised from the dead for our salvation, that trumps a virgin birth any day. And the other various miricles of both old and new testement all take faith, from talking donkeys to super strengh to fire from heaven,

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 08:14 PM
True.
Thank you guys.

Only thing I can't believe is talking donkeys haha.

So then do oyu believe someone else can be born from the dead like Jesus?

Fr_Chuck
Sep 16, 2007, 09:05 PM
I am not sure, I think we get a few on here from time to time that have learned to type, ( joking of course)

But yes, the talking donkey was always a bit much for me also, but it is in the old testement.

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 09:19 PM
HAha speaking of a joke.
A man went to the holy lands with his wife as a second honey moon. Sadly his wife died and the man at the cemetery said "We can have your wife buried in the holy lands for 500$ or cremate her and ship her back to your home town for free."
The man replied "Have her cremated and shiped back please."
The man who worked in the cemetery said in shock"But why?! This is a wonderful place to be burried."
The man said "Listen, Jesus died and was buried here, then rose from the dead to come back, im not taking that kind of risk"
XD
Haha okay sorry but you have to admit that is kind of funny :p

But on a more serious note, I never heard of the talking donkey, Was he supposed to represent human life form?

Fr_Chuck
Sep 16, 2007, 09:21 PM
No, he was allowed to talk to warn his owner of a danger.

I am sorry it is late and I am too tired to hunt it down,

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 09:25 PM
Oh its okay, I think I'm going to actually buy a bible in english.. and maybe to to read up on that cause no I'm intrested

Wondergirl
Sep 16, 2007, 09:33 PM
It sounds like you know bits and pieces of Bible stories but have never put it all together.

Is there a church in your area that you could join for a while (or longer) and attend a basic Bible study course or a Bible overview course? Or maybe the minister/priest might let you take the basic Bible class and not have to become a member. Be sure you start with Genesis. A Bible overview course I took lasted for two years and didn't get into the nitty-gritty of every story, was more about general Bible themes.

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 09:38 PM
Yea there actually a church down the street but I went there for Confirmation clases, but they bored me to death with videos, and no explanation so I just gave up.

Wondergirl
Sep 16, 2007, 09:44 PM
Is there another church besides that one?

Marzapan741
Sep 16, 2007, 09:56 PM
Yea... but I have problems going to new churches.. I never feel welcomed.lol.

Wondergirl
Sep 16, 2007, 10:04 PM
Well, if you read the Bible, you will need someone around to ask questions of.

How about we do this. Read Genesis 1-3 and stop. Then post here if you have questions.

Wondergirl
Sep 16, 2007, 10:07 PM
OR, read the Bible any way you want to, and ask a question here whenever you think of one. Then we all can fight over giving you a good answer according to our own beliefs, but at least you will get more than one answer to chew on.

Clough
Sep 16, 2007, 11:18 PM
It sounds like you know bits and pieces of Bible stories but have never put it all together.

Is there a church in your area that you could join for a while (or longer) and attend a basic Bible study course or a Bible overview course? Or maybe the minister/priest might let you take the basic Bible class and not have to become a member. Be sure you start with Genesis. A Bible overview course I took lasted for two years and didn't get into the nitty-gritty of each and every story, was more about general Bible themes.

I'm sorry Wondergirl! I couldn't spread the love again yet!

I just wanted to say that your suggestion is excellent!

Clough
Sep 16, 2007, 11:30 PM
Yea... but i have problems going to new churches.. I never feel welcomed.lol.

I don't want to discourage at least going to a church and joining a Bible study. There certainly is no substitute for learning about the Bible from a live person who really knows what they are talking about and doesn't let a video do all of the work for them! Bible studies don't necessarily happen only on Sundays. There are those that happen on any day of the week. People might be a little more welcoming at a Bible study that happens on a day or evening during the week because the groups tend to be smaller and the people in them definitely want others to join and participate because the study is "extra" and is occurring outside of the "usual" Sunday worship/study time.

But, there are online Bible studies that might also be informative and helpful.

Free Online Bible Study - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Free+Online+Bible+Study)

firmbeliever
Sep 17, 2007, 05:10 AM
Why was she chosen out of all the women?
An article you might like to read.
Jesus and The Virgin Mary in Islam By Juan Galvan
Many people may be surprised that Muslims love Mary, the mother of Jesus. In the Quran, no woman is given more attention than Mary. Mary receives the most attention of any woman mentioned in the Quran even though all the Prophets with the exception of Adam had mothers. Of the Quran's 114 chapters, she is among the eight people who have a chapter named after them. The nineteenth chapter of the Quran is named after her, Mariam. Mariam means Mary in Arabic. The third chapter in the Quran is named after her father, Imran. Chapters Mariam and Imran are among the most beautiful chapters in the Quran. Mary (peace be upon her) is the only woman specifically named in the Quran. An authentic Haddith states that the Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh." (Bukhari 4.643). Indeed, both Mary and Pharoah's wife are an example (Quran 66:11-12). The Virgin Mary plays a very significant role in Islam. She is an example and a sign for all people.
In the Quran, Mary's story begins while she is still in her mother's womb. The mother of Mary, said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate into Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things." (Quran 3:35).

She wanted the baby in her womb to serve only the Creator. When Mary was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!" (Quran 3:36). She had expected her baby to be a male child who would grow up to be a scholar or religious leader. However, God had a better plan. God is the best of planners. Quran 3:36 continues "…and God knew best what she brought forth- 'And no wise is the male like the female. I have named her Mariam, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the Rejected.'" Mariam literally means "maidservant of God."

In Quran 3:37, God states that He accepted Mary as her mother had asked. He made Mary grow in purity and beauty. She was assigned to the care of a priest named Zacharias. This is interesting considering few women were given this opportunity.

"Every time that he entered (her) chamber to see her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: 'O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?' She said: 'From God. for God provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.'" (Quran 3:37). Upon hearing Mary's answer, "There did Zakariya pray to his Lord, saying: 'O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!'" (Quran 3:38).

Although his wife was barren and he was very old, God blesses Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth with John. John is known as "John the Baptist" in the Bible. Zacharias was skeptical after the angels announced John's birth. The response to his skepticism was "Doth God accomplish what He willeth" (Quran 3:40). John would become a noble and chaste Prophet as the angels had stated (Quran 3:39).
The Quran discusses Mary's miraculous conception as well. "Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects." (Quran 19:16-17). After seeing the angel, she said: "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God." (Quran 19:18). The angel Gabriel responded: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son." (Quran 19:19). Her next response is expected. She asked: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (Quran 19:20). The Angel Gabriel said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.' It is a matter (so) decreed." (Quran 19:21). Mary then becomes pregnant.
Jesus is a Prophet and a Messenger. A Messenger is a Prophet who is given revelation from God. Whereas the Torah was revealed to Moses, the Gospel was revealed to Jesus. Messengers are a mercy, guidance, and sign from God. "And God will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and (appoint him) as a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message):
'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I bring the dead into life, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. (I have come to you) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you. I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me. It is God Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'" (Quran 3:48-51).
God appointed messengers to help us answer questions such as: What happens after I die? What's right and wrong? Does a supernatural world exist? What's the purpose of my creation? Jesus was calling people to the worship of only God. Only by God's leave was Jesus able to perform miracles.
"When Jesus found unbelief on their (the disciples) part he said: 'Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.'" (Quran 3:52).
After conceiving Jesus, Mary went away with the baby to a distant place (Quran 19:22). "And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She cried (in her anguish): 'Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten!'" (Quran 19:23). "But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): 'Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee; And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (God) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.'" (Quran 19:24-26).
Joseph, the magi, and manger are not mentioned in the Quran. God was Mary's only Provider. Muslims do not accept the virgin birth of Jesus as evidence of Jesus' divinity. "The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be.' And he was." (Quran 3:59). Adam's creation was even more miraculous because he was born without father and mother. When she brings the baby to her people, they said: "O Mary! truly a strange thing has thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (Quran 19:27-8). Mary then points to the baby. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" (Quran 19:29). Then a miracle occurs that is not mentioned in the Bible. In defense of his mother, Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of God. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest; So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!" (Quran 19:30-33).

The virgin birth of Jesus was a sign. "And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples." (Quran 21:91). All previous Prophets confirmed the oneness of God, Tawheed. Whereas the Holy Trinity is the fundamental concept of God in Christianity, Tawheed is the fundamental concept of God in Islam. God exists independent of religion. Muslims do not believe in the concept of Holy Trinity (Quran 5:73). God is not Jesus (Quran 5:72). On the Day of Judgment, when Jesus is asked if he had called people to worship him and his mother as two gods, Jesus will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." (Quran 5:116).
People should not worship any of God's creation, including Jesus and Mary. We must not assign any of God's creation His divine attributes and characteristics. "He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (Qur'an 59:24).

Although God can do all things, He only does things that are consistent with His fundamental nature. Begetting a son is not consistent with God's magnificent nature (Quran 19:92, Quran 19:35). Consistent with His fundamental nature is forgiveness. Although Adam and Eve could no longer live in the Paradise, God forgave Adam and Eve for their sin after they sincerely repented (Quran 2:35-37). We are responsible for our own deeds and will not be punished for the deeds of another person (Quran 53:38-42). Therefore, Muslims reject the doctrine of original sin. Although Adam and Eve were punished, God would still be merciful by sending Guidance to mankind. "We said: 'Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.'" (Quran 2:38).For rest of the article http://www.islamfortoday.com/galvan03.htm

Marzapan741
Sep 17, 2007, 04:12 PM
Thank you all so much, this really changed my view on this subject.
Thanks for all your suggestions and replys and Firmbeliver ty for the massive info :) helped much!

firmbeliever
Sep 17, 2007, 05:01 PM
I am so glad you found some information that helped.

Clough
Sep 17, 2007, 09:46 PM
I am so glad you found some information that helped.

Me too!

Marzapan741
Sep 18, 2007, 01:24 PM
:) Hopefulyl by Sunday I can pick up on some bible readings

Thanks again. Might if I add you guys as friends?

firmbeliever
Sep 18, 2007, 01:28 PM
We do not mind...
Well at least I do not mind.:)

Marzapan741
Sep 18, 2007, 01:35 PM
:-p

Clough
Sep 18, 2007, 09:31 PM
:) Hopefulyl by sunday I can pick up on some bible readings

Thanks agian. Might if i add you guys as friends?

Of course you can add me as a friend! :)