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BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 11:41 AM
On the last posting... just in case any one wonders...

My 5 year old doesn't see my in laws... they live out of state. My husband is in the military. And My family although Catholic, are non practicing Catholics.

We know there is no way he could have been told these things by either side as we have questioned everyone.

The last story "Christimas and the Nativity" my son told us, seemed too detailed for a little (4 year old at the time). He doesn't go to church. I have taken my son like a few times. It was odd how he knew exactly what do and started praying and reciting prayer. When the time came to take the bread (cracker and wine) My son said he wanted to go and told me he wanted to take Jesus off the Cross... (It was only a statue) and I found it odd... and it made me nervous as I couldnt' explain any of what he was doing. From time to time, he has brought me the bible.. (pocket size) and asked me to read certain verses,. He was the first to initate prayer at our table before meals. He does it to everyone in the family.

Like I said it is "different" and his extremely passive nature is another thing. He doesn't like confrontations, or aggressive behavior. A child took his lunch box at school and he said nothing to no one.

He is deeply fascinated by anything to do with Jesus and God. He just received a digital camera for his birthday. He liked it... however, commented that he was going to Church to take a picture of God and that he wouldnt' mind having a poloroid camera as well.

He tends to comment on things like... comparing lying and bad things to things as something the "devil" encourages and or whatever bad has happened that he hears of.. he will say something like "God doesn't like that when people do that".

He goes to school like normal children his age, comes home and has homework, as he enjoys homework and learning. I have to keep buying age appropriate educational materials to satisfy his eagerness to learn.

He is equally attentive at school (with a long attention span) and often acts more mature than others in his class.

JohnSnownw
Aug 29, 2007, 12:35 PM
So, do you mean gifted in a spiritual sense, or educational?

firmbeliever
Aug 29, 2007, 01:17 PM
Just an advise-BUNNYPOO4
You could put this explanation in your previous post by clicking answer under your first question/thread.
This helps those who answered before to see your comments and answer accordingly in order to help you further.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 01:26 PM
So, do you mean gifted in a spiritual sense, or educational?
Well it is hard to tell with school b.c he is still yet young... he does show a great deal of maturity when around his peers... he is very attentive (while other kids have a short attention span and are playing when they are supposed to be doing something instructed, he is sitting looking at the instructor not moving one bit). He has a sense of humor and wit... and an extreme sense of memory. And being his first year in Kindergarten, his teacher has already taken an extreme likeing to him just as his pre k teacher did.

He displays a great deal of Spiritual giftedness. And some of the questions he has... are rather complex for a kid his age. Deep questions like stuff that baffels my husband and myself... "if God is Jesus's father, who is God's father and who created God" HE doesn't question why there is evil or the devil nor does he question why Christ was crucified. Yet, he demonstrates important stories of Christ that only an adult knows.

He isn't around relatvies much. Accept for my husband and I. He has older siblings whom are 12, and 9 whom he encouraged to start praying as well as his little sister whom is 3.

He is a very passive and kind child. And when given the chance to pick a toy out at school, gets things for other people and not himself.

He does make my husband and I nervous... b.c what he does and says is what something an adult would say or do... and when it comes to spirituality,. sometimes we feel like he is watching us or judging us... and knows things we don't...

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 01:28 PM
Just an advise-BUNNYPOO4
you could put this explanation in your previous post by clicking answer under your first question/thread.
This helps those who answered before to see your comments and answer accordingly in order to help you further.

Well, I am sooo new at this.. "thanks for the info" I might get something's confused on this.. but eventually after playing with it.. I figure it out...

Thanks again

GlindaofOz
Aug 29, 2007, 01:32 PM
Bunnypoo I don't know what you personally believe. But have you heard of indigo children? Do a Google search. It's the idea that more and more children are being born with a very tight spiritual connection typically resulting in being psychic or having "advanced" knowledge.

I agree with another posters. Keep track of everything he says and ask him how he knows. Kids will be very honest. When I was kid I would freak out if anything was around my neck. My mom told me one day she asked me why and I started crying and told her because that's how I died the last time I was here.

Some people may think its hokey. I personally believe in reincarnation and that its possible for those memories to carry from one life to another.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 01:38 PM
I have heard about it... you know he was born in the ebryonic sac... and from the time he was born, I was told there was something "special" about him... but I just went with flow... and then year after year things started to happen with him... I would try to pass it off as "nothing" or something... but after the last incident... and he never stops talking about being a Priest... or the Pope

GlindaofOz
Aug 29, 2007, 01:42 PM
Just ask him about it. Ask him how do you know all of this? When were you the pope or a priest? Whatever he responds just ask him and write it down. Kids remember a lot from before. Not everyone believes in it but it doesn't give it any less credibility.

The best thing for you to do is to encourage it from him and write everything down. It will be a wonderful thing to have later on in life.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 02:14 PM
You I think I will ask him... you know even his passive nature.. it makes me wonder... spiritual people tend to be really passive and not aggressive,. He told his teacher last year... his pre k teacher that he would also like to be "GOD" one day, but again how can a 4 year old determin spirituality so young and have recognition of GOD...

He just told me... Jesus couldn't fight anyone when he was growing up... so God protected him

Then he told me God created everything... I told him " who told you that" he said "ya you know God did mommy"

He also said he wants to be a Priest b.c he wants to learn more.

GlindaofOz
Aug 29, 2007, 02:23 PM
Its true. A psychic told my aunt that my uncle was a monk in his past life. I said I think he was a buddhaist monk because he is the living embodiment of zen. Its just how some of us come through.

Regardless it sounds like you have a very special boy in your life. I personally believe that God speaks to us all of us only someone of us are really interested in listening. It looks like your boy can't get enough :)

J_9
Aug 29, 2007, 02:26 PM
I hope this piques your interest enough to take him to church. Talk to your priest about this. They are VERY helpful when it comes to matters of the soul.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 02:36 PM
I asked and asked why it is he is wanting to be a "Priest" his answer " to learn EVERYTHING" He didn't elaborate though...

Ya I keep record...

I believe all children are special in one way or another... some of them have extrodinary capabilities some, interesting talented,. and that is what makes them sooo adorable in every way they are and can be

I believe in God, I believe that some people have lost faith or question it a lot today... or try to debuke Christ... no matter I still believe

And it is evident my son does too even though I don't impose religion or spirituality on him

Although I don't understand this,. I am "pleased" and hope he continues this path

J_9
Aug 29, 2007, 02:39 PM
If you want him to continue this path it is necessary for YOU to take him to church. He won't continue it without your actions.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 02:54 PM
I tried to get him into Catholic classes, last year, however, they didn't accept him at his young age... although there was a Nun whom said he was very "gifted" and was going to try to get him in anyway... Well, b.c the Catholic church is so "set" in their ways and wanting certain paper work (Baptizmal from God Parents etc... by the way his God parents are out of state) we are unable to obtain these,. they will not make any acceptions without proper paper work...

He was Baptized in a hospital when he was really young (infant) ill with rotavirus... but I never received paper work... now, they are asking for paperwork of God Parents in order to enroll him in classes...

So I am in a bind and this kid is sooo eager to learn this... "he shouldnt' be turned away"

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 29, 2007, 02:59 PM
on the last posting... just in case any one wonders....

My 5 year old doesn't see my in laws... they live out of state. My husband is in the millitary. And My family although Catholic, are non practicing Catholics.

We know there is no way he could of been told these things by either side as we have questioned everyone.

The last story "Christimas and the Nativity" my son told us, seemed too detailed for a little (4 year old at the time). He doesn't go to church. I have taken my son like a few times. It was odd how he knew exactly what do and started praying and reciting prayer. When the time came to take the bread (cracker and wine) My son said he wanted to go and told me he wanted to take Jesus off the Cross.... (It was only a statue) and I found it odd... and it made me nervous as I couldnt' explain any of what he was doing. From time to time, he has brought me the bible.. (pocket size) and asked me to read certain verses,... He was the first to initate prayer at our table before meals. He does it to everyone in the family.

Like I said it is "different" and his extremely passive nature is another thing. He doesn't like confrontations, or aggressive behavior. A child took his lunch box at school and he said nothing to no one.

He is deeply fascinated by anything to do with Jesus and God. He just recieved a digital camera for his birthday. He liked it... however, commented that he was going to Church to take a picture of God and that he wouldnt' mind having a poloroid camera as well.

He tends to comment on things like ... comparing lieing and bad things to things as something the "devil" encourages and or whatever bad has happened that he hears of .. he will say something like "God doesn't like that when people do that".

He goes to school like normal children his age, comes home and has homework, as he enjoys homework and learning. I have to keep buying age appropriate educational materials to satisfy his eagerness to learn.

He is equally attentive at school (with a long attention span) and often acts more mature than others in his class.
He maybe intelligent, as my son. My son is also very interested in GOD. He has been this way since a pet died and we explained GOD and heaven. He always has tons of questions. All perfectly normal.

I would not read too much into it. If he has a calling, it will develop over time. I became a minister about 21/2 years ago. Family still has a difficult time with it.

J_9
Aug 29, 2007, 02:59 PM
GO TO CHURCH!! Expose him to this environment.

Have you contacted the church that baptised him originally? That would be the place to start.

There are ways around this, you just have to find them. I am a Catholic, non-practicing, and my daughter was baptised Presbyterian, yet she was allowed to go to a Catholic school for kindergarten.

You have to be proactive if you want this for him.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 03:18 PM
he maybe intelligent, as my son. my son is also very interested in GOD. he has been this way since a pet died and we explained GOD and heaven. he always has tons of questions. all perfectly normal.

I would not read too much into it. if he has a calling, it will develop over time. I became a minister about 21/2 years ago. Family still has a difficult time with it.


I do believe this may be a "calling" as he often brings me the bible and asks to read verses out of it. When he described the time when Christ was born,. he was demonstrating how the three wise men reacted, where they went in what order they stood (he went as far as placing them one after another in a single line ) telling us this "was" the way they walked to see baby Jesus... then he took Mother Mary and baby Jesus, told us,. "Mother Mary and Baby Jesus have to leave because there is a war with lots of bad things happening" then Joseph following not too far behind. This gave my husband and I Chills... just as when he explained when Christ was crucified...

He had expressed interest in God since he was really young... about 3 years old... we thought he would "outgrow it" but sometimes he tells us these detailed stories... and goes into depth... another story he explains someone's head being "chopped off"... and it's graphic when he tells.. but he says this person was Jesus's friend or had something to do with Jesus

And more recently,. he tells me,. "you know mommy God Created everything" I asked him who told him that and his response "God did"

I asked him why he wanted to be a Priest and his response "because I want to learn more"
I do hope he continues... with this... and I do plan on getting him into church!

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 03:25 PM
GO TO CHURCH!!! Expose him to this environment.

Have you contacted the church that baptised him originally? That would be the place to start.

There are ways around this, you just have to find them. I am a Catholic, non-practicing, and my daughter was baptised Presbyterian, yet she was allowed to go to a Catholic school for kindergarten.

You have to be proactive if you want this for him.
My mother in law demands he only go Catholic... At some time last school year I even considered putting him in Catholic school instead of public because he is spiritually inclined..

I did contact the church that came by and Baptized him in the hospital.. they sent paperwork to a Catholic church nearby.. and this Church nearby, is now saying I need additional paperwork... to complete this... paperwork showing the Godparents are Catholic and it is hard to obtain at the moment.

I have often considered other churches,. Christian or other... but I am not sure my mother in law will agree with this as she is a Catholic...

He has mentioned lately, when he received a camera for his birthday he wanted to take a picture of "God" and that he would go to church to do so...

I tried calling up my mother in laws church.. as she knows some Priest up in her area.. to try to pull some strings for this kid... but they are soooo "set" in their ways...

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 29, 2007, 03:35 PM
Only time will tell. If he wants to go to church his parents should support him. Maybe he doea have a true calling. We will only know as he matures into adulthood. GOD bless.

Fr_Chuck
Aug 29, 2007, 04:23 PM
First he does not have to have "God Parents" while it is great to have them, it is not a set requirement. The only real requirement is that he was baptized. They are wanting some proof. So that may be why they are asking for God Parents who can testify he was baptized.
It does not matter what church baptised him, only that he was, They do not require a 2nd baptism.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 29, 2007, 05:07 PM
First he does not have to have "God Parents" while it is great to have them, it is not a set requirement. The only real requirement is that he was baptized. They are wanting some proof. So that may be why they are asking for God Parents who can testify he was baptized.
It does not matter what church baptised him, only that he was, They do not require a 2nd baptism.
First of all "thank you" so much for replying... I do wish for my son to have some further Religious education as I find he Does have a "spiritual gift" and if it is that he wants to be a Pope or a Priest.. It is something I would love to have him do and have in the family.

The God Parents were not present at his "emergency Baptizmal" in the hospital. It was done by some Priest that came by asking if we wanted "prayer" We asked for both Prayer and Baptizmal... When I called the church that this Priest was from, they mentioned they could send the records to the church I was sending him to.

The church I wanted to send him to ( a Catholic church) did ask for more paperwork. My mother in law and myself did everything we could.

Is it possible I could try something else now that he is older and the age appropriate for classes (btw he was ready last year... he already knew how to cross himself... and he identified certain Saints and knew two prayers by heart and was extremely attentive).

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 30, 2007, 09:54 AM
Last night, just to see what my sons vocabulary was like,. (we play this game... something I made up on a road trip... we go down the alphabet... naming anything and everything that starts with that letter) we were asking my 3 year old last night.. as we approached the letter "C". My son says "van". Then I started to think,. we have a Chrysler... we went to the letter "g" and he tells us "fence" as fence and gate in flash cards are pictured the same...

Made us think... just how ABSTRACT of a Thinker is he?

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 30, 2007, 02:02 PM
Sounds like memorization. Not abstract. He remembered where he saw the letter and he told you. I know what you want for him but now you may be reading too much into everything he says

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 30, 2007, 02:44 PM
sounds like memorization. not abstract. he remembered where he saw the letter and he told you. I know what you want for him but now you may be reading too much into everything he says

My mother in law spoke with some Bishops... about him... they said he is being "guided"
Spiritually...

Don't know what you read into this... well, it just comes up.. we don't "push him" he does this on his own!! So call it what you will...

A lot of people are drawn to him.

He has something "special",. and I intend to encourage him ,just as I do with my other children... if it is something they are interested in, I will encourage not "Push" we aren't those "type" of parents...

J_9
Aug 30, 2007, 03:57 PM
last night, just to see what my sons vocabulary was like,... (we play this game... something I made up on a road trip... we go down the alphabet... naming anything and everything that starts with that letter) we were asking my 3 year old last night.. as we approached the letter "C". My son says "van". Then I started to think,.. we have a Chrysler... we went to the letter "g" and he tells us "fence" as fence and gate in flash cards are pictured the same....

made us think.... just how ABSTRACT of a Thinker is he?

Sounds like a typical 3 year old. You are thinking way too much into this.

As parents we like to think that our children are gifted. It really is not always a good thing if they are actually. Children go through stages of development, some children reach these milestones earlier than others, but that does not mean that they are gifted.

They will reach one milestone way ahead of their peers, but may stay in that stage longer than another toddler. This is all a process of development.

It is actually very hard and can be quite traumatic on a child if they are given the label of "gifted," as it follows them throughout school and they are expected to achieve higher than other children and can be detrimental to their psyche if they do not perform as well as expected by their elders.

**EDIT**

Children ALL go through periods of abstract and concrete thinking, this will change with age.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 30, 2007, 05:24 PM
Sounds like a typical 3 year old. You are thinking way too much into this.

As parents we like to think that our children are gifted. It really is not always a good thing if they are actually. Children go through stages of development, some children reach these milestones earlier than others, but that does not mean that they are gifted.

They will reach one milestone way ahead of their peers, but may stay in that stage longer than another toddler. This is all a process of development.

It is actually very hard and can be quite traumatic on a child if they are given the label of "gifted," as it follows them throughout school and they are expected to achieve higher than other children and can be detrimental to their psyche if they do not perform as well as expected by their elders.

**EDIT**

Children ALL go through periods of abstract and concrete thinking, this will change with age.


Well I am sure you are right about "periods of abstract thinking"

b.c that could be just for that time... that he was thinking this way...

But spiritually, I do think this kid has "something" the eagerness spiritually in a child this age.. is rather complex...

It is something I ignored many times.. and "fluffed off" as.. "maybe he heard this somewhere or saw it",. but when he went into depth with some of his biblical stories... (re- enacting as if he was truly there),. I didn't have to say a word... My Husband even sees it... it would make him get "chills" too,.

For the longest time, I thought it was just me or "all in my head",. but when ,my husband (a skeptical person for anything.. unless he has proof) mentioned (and I didn't say a word to him)mentioned... that is was odd for his age to know these things... and that he actually believes that our son "is spiritually gifted",. wasn't just me... and you know, other family members notice it as well.. (non practicing catholics, and skeptics at that)

He may be typical in other ways.. but not this... It's too obvious and too complex for a kid his age...

How often do you see a 5 year old speak of biblical stories as if he were there? How often do you hear of a child so eager into Religion or spirituality?

B.c I don't see it often!

But I do see it in him... and where ever it is coming from I believe we are "blessed" everyone in this family!

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 30, 2007, 05:40 PM
Believe what you may and GOD bless you. Just be aware ofd the stigma you may create for him may be very hard to live up to and can result in future depression, succide, drug use and such as he realizes that he is unable to live up to your fantasy!

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 30, 2007, 05:51 PM
beleive what you may and GOD bless you. just be aware ofd the stigma you may create for him may be very hard to live up to and can result in future depression, succide, drug use and such as he realizes that he is unable to live up to your fantasy!
"fantasy"you right... you know if he ended up just being a regular ole' guy with a regular job, and wife and kids, I would be just as "Blessed" I wouldn't love him any different,. so long as my son wanted to do this was happy

I wonder are you of faith?. because it sounds you don't believe in God or Christ...

J_9
Aug 30, 2007, 06:58 PM
I have to agree with danielsMommy in a sense.

You are creating a stigma, if you will, where he will feel that he must live up to your expectations, and he may not be able to you. This can set a toddler up for mental and emotional disaster.

I see you beginning to get upset here, and that really is not necessary as we are trying to help you look outside the box.

Your child may very well be religiously gifted, but remember, here you are going to get advice as well as admonishment since not all people believe the way you do.

From my vast experience, as well as education, I do see that you may be setting him up for disaster, and you for disappointment.

Just let him be. Let him be a child. If he is gifted in this matter, then it will continue. But to push the envelope only begs for problems down the road.

I have very little doubt about what is going on here. He may very well be "gifted," but please don't label him. This can be seriously detrimental in his future.

Let him be a child. Let him experience what all children deserve to experience. Stop pushing and expecting.

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 31, 2007, 05:44 AM
Bunnypoo4, I am indeed a Minister and have been ordained for 2/1/2 years. I am speaking also from the view of a mother of a 41/2 year old and as an educator. I hold a masters in Early childhood education. Does that qualify me in your eyes to issue a statement of what I believe. It is my opinion, not that of GOD or any divine being.

alkalineangel
Aug 31, 2007, 06:14 AM
Is your child 3 or 5? I'm confused... you refer to him as both ages in present tense. Im just trying to clarify.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 31, 2007, 06:16 AM
is your child 3 or 5? im confused...you refer to him as both ages in present tense. Im just trying to clarify.
No he is 5 now,. but all this started when he was 3 years old... he has continued to show an eagerness and interest for for two years now... in the spiritual sense... (which we thought he would outgrow but appearantly that isn't the case here)

alkalineangel
Aug 31, 2007, 06:25 AM
Ok, just because you said "last night" when you were talking about him being 3, it confused me...

I agree with the others. He may be gifted, he may be very observant, but wither way, he obviously has an interest. I would get him into classes, at least CCD. But I agree with Noahsmommy about just letting him be a five year old for now. You will create a stigma if you aren't careful.

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 31, 2007, 06:45 AM
Bunnypoo4, i am indeed a Minister and have been ordained for 2/1/2 years. I am speaking also from the view of a mother of a 41/2 year old and as an educator. I hold a masters in Early childhood education. does that qualify me in your eyes to issue a statement of what I believe. It is my opinion, not that of GOD or any divine being.
It answers the question.. but I think you have me all "misunderstood",. If my son brings up anything "spiritually" I tend to "brush it off" then talk it over with my husand in private... he does the same... we don't even bring it up in front of him... b.c for the time being, we are just "waiting" to see how long this will go on... We don't make a big deal of it... in front of him... we will ask him where he gets his info.. but we don't make a "big deal"

For the most part we "down play" this in front of him... but "behind the scenes" we talk about it... (when he isn't around)

I have had teachers... and school administrators "make a big deal" esp on career day when he choose to dress as a "priest"

But I don't label him... neither does anyone in the family for that matter... "labeling" can be detrimental... esp for a child... and for me... I don't care if he is "gifted" or not I am just happy he is alive and healthy... as he was a preemie and I had many complications with him... and all of this after the lose of two brothers of mine...

When he speaks of "God talking to him" I just ask what is said... and then end it there.

If he should ask.. of prayer request... or to read something from the bible I will... and I try to explain the best I can. Just to satisfy his curiousity... and then I leave it alone.

I think what I am more concerned about is his passive nature... there are many bullies in school... and they prey upon his passiveness... b.c he isn't one to start fights or get any one into trouble, he won't stand up for himself... he doesn't say anything... He isn't one for any type of contact sports boxing, football, soccer... if he sees any type of aggressive nature he doesn't want to participate.

Even though he isn't one for "conflict", last year he didn't like his soccer coach and we haven't a clue why... from the very first time we attended soccer he made up his mind he didn't like this man... we stayed for every practice and game... and he never engaged in the game... as he isn't one for contact sports either.

He will often speak of my deceased brothers... as if they are here in this world... saying things like " I miss Uncle Scott or Uncle Troy" I keep telling him he never met them... he says he talks to them... and he misses them...

I don't know what to think sometimes... and this is why I asked the question about "spiritual giftedness"... not b.c I am trying to "push him" but b.c I notice something's that aren't usual or typical for a kid his age...

I taught pre k and I have four children. Each different and special in their own way. I even have a 12 year old daughter whom was tested and is "bright". So given my experience with children his age and younger, And older.. and noticing something "different"...

This is again why I wondered about "spiritual giftedness" I don't hear of it often...

Again I don't push or label my child... these are things that just come up with him... all the time... on his own...

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 31, 2007, 07:06 AM
Ok, just because you said "last night" when you were talking about him being 3, it confused me...

I agree with the others. He may be gifted, he may be very observant, but wither way, he obviously has an interest. I would get him into classes, at least CCD. But I agree with Noahsmommy about just letting him be a five year old for now. You will create a stigma if you arent careful.
We do let him be his "typical" 5 year old... we don't push or label... we know what that can do... as we have four children... one of them tested as "bright" another ambidextorous... but we don't make "big deals " about them... just encourage to do the best they can in school and special interest

If he should bring up God or Christ or even speak of my deceased brothers... we answer what we can... and leave it alone.

I asked the question of "spiritaul giftedness" b.c I haven't really heard of it too often...

And because he has been doing this since age 3 and still continues... I know I can't say he is... or not... b.c I am not one to make that decision... I don't have physcological practices of any sort nor a great deal of religious practices sooo I wouldn't know...

But I do know it is "different" and it is something "he has" expressed interest in...

I do know children will often go through periods of "where is God"? " life and death and ask questions such as that...and for the longest time I figured "oh its just a phase",... but other strange things kept coming up with this kid

the stories my son has told... (re enacting the Nativity and Era when Christ was crucified) ... and he has never been taught ( we are a huge family of non practicing Catholics)... , his extremely passive nature, and the fact that he mentions God talks to him, as well as my deceased brothers....

when he was 3 he spoke of a child named "jack" (at our old residence) whom he mentioned was not a good child ... he was a bad spirit that would come to him at night and tell him to do bad things... He told us that he told this "jack" that Jesus and God didn't like those bad things and he refused to be "bad". He told us he was a kid that drowned there.. or was buried in a grave next to our house.... (at the time our backyard,... there was a graveyard)

During this time, he refused to sleep in his room, drew strange pictures of this "jack" ... and would sleep with my husband and I or his other siblings... All we thought was "imaginary friend" but we couldn't figure out why this "jack" character would tell him such awful things...

when we moved.... the "jack" visits ceased

He says he remembers him but doesn't like to speak of him... and is glad he is gone.

so it was just a question on my mind about this "spiritual giftedness"....:confused:

nothing I dwell on in front of him... I just go about the "usual":)

danielnoahsmommy
Aug 31, 2007, 07:15 AM
We all get the same opinion of what you are trying to say and or do. And clearly it appears that you are pushing him no matter how subtly, its still pushing. If it is to be it will. Between your daughter and yourself you will make him an outcast. Try to explore different options for him. Maybe karate, gymnastics, something to show him that he can have other interests in life

BUNNYPOO4
Aug 31, 2007, 08:45 AM
He is by no means an "outcast" nor is my daughter or myself trying to make him one...

My older daughter isn't even around my son often... as she comes and goes... my ex husaband and I share custody.. sooo clearly you don't understand.

My older daughter participates in normal school classes and activities and isn't labeled in school... or at home...
Call it what you will but we "are" a typical home environment... WE DON'T PUSH OR LABEL!! Yet we teach our children to do the best they can in school and to have fun no matter what.

I have to admit I had my son in soccer last year... he didn't want to complete it... but for him (I had to instill this in him as he was a preemie and muscle cordination was something he needed work with) I didn't push, but I told him he had to finish out the season... and at least participate (when he could even if it was just to kick the ball once) and "give it a try" when he felt like it...

I do believe when it comes to sports and extra cirricular athletics, I don't believe in having the children "give up" b.c it is more an expierience.. they get... but if it is just sitting around and watching other kids participate and they aren't really interested... at least get the social aspect out of this activity they participate in... and learn about it...

And the next season if they show no interests,. I do not enroll them in that same activity.

I don't believe in my children "giving up" on anything. I don't think it classifies me as "pushy"... I believe in finishing what you start... COMPLETING the TASK AT HAND! As this can throw off the wrong idea... and they begin to think slacking in other things means you can slack in school. It gives them the "okay" that is not wrong to slack.

I believe if the child shows an interest in something and continues... then, take initiative, see how the child likes it... and let the child EXPLORE as it helps them to learn...

I have met some "pushy"parents in my sons class last year,. and I think it to be wrong and it doesn't give the child a chance to grow and be a kid... they start too feel inadequate if they don't meet expectations... and therefore causing a great deal of insecurity...

And so with this in mind, if my son shows interests,. I ask him if it something he really wants to do or to continue with... If he shows the slightest interest... depending on the situation (like with his soccer) I may or may not proceed with it... (with the soccer, it was more important for him to participate... physically his pedi mentioned he needed more physical activity to help with muscle cordination... ) so I went with it... but if during games or practices , I noticed he didn't want to participate, I let him sit it out and try again if he wanted...

Again you clearly don't understand... Karate is something we are going to put him in (next week)... to help defend himself and stand up for himself as he has difficulty with this...

He is no "outcast"... I find every one of my children "special" just as every child in this world have "speical qualities"

Every child.. to be a child of "God" and a "blessed gift from God"

Clearly you don't understan our situation... for what it is... we don't push our children.. it is just a question I asked... we don't discuss this or sit at the table and have this kid recite things from the bible... nor do we bring it up... we go about our day in the normal way... talk about school and activities... watch age appropriate movies together and read children books together like all parents out there do for their children... and sometimes you get the occasional stories from the older kids about how other kids act at school and their teachers... just like kids do... all four of my children... they play just as any other siblings do and are very protective of one another... no ONE person is an OUTCAST or the BLACK SHEEP! We just do what we DO!!

alkalineangel
Aug 31, 2007, 08:58 AM
She isn't saying you are "pushing him" but you are clearly asking people and churches and priests about him. You are here getting clarification on whether he is gifted, so in your mind, you see something More special to him. We are saying that this can actually come out and he will see that you expect more of him (maybe you do it unconciously) Does it really matter if he is gifted or not, do you need someone to tell you that. We are saying, just go about your normal daily routine, and don't worry about it... it will come out when he is older and he may benefit from it, on his own, then. No disrespect meant or anything, it is just opinion. Good luck

BUNNYPOO4
Sep 1, 2007, 08:27 AM
she isnt saying you are "pushing him" but you are clearly asking people and churches and priests about him. You are here getting clarification on whether he is gifted, so in your mind, you see something More special to him. We are saying that this can actually come out and he will see that you expect more of him (maybe you do it unconciously) Does it really matter if he is gifted or not, do you need someone to tell you that. we are saying, just go about your normal daily routine, and dont worry about it...it will come out when he is older and he may benefit from it, on his own, then. no disrespect meant or anything, it is just opinion. good luck
Well why I think it to be "different"... I only approached one priest about this... and one church... sooo and as far as people... this is the only forum I have gone to about this... and asked... So I don't really bring it up... I know my mother in law tends to go to her church and speaks of it more often than I... But that is where she lives...

I guess just the question as to if this was a form of "giftedness" was the only thing with me...

But like I said I have only gone to one priest to speak of this and one church... the same church in which I spoke with the priest... I tried at that time to get him into CCD classes but he was too young.. and they needed his Batizmal records that were at another church and I had and to this day still have difficulty with... b.c they wanted more paper work from the God Parents... It seemed like I had to jump through all these "hoops" and to me, if this is something someone wants to know or learn more about, it shouldn't be this way.

And coming to everyone on this forum I was just enquiring.. b.c maybe there was someone out there with the similar thing going on or maybe some advice as to how to either encourage or how to take it... b.c some of the things he says are "different" I don't want to be negative but positive. I basicially want to go with the "flow" with things but again I don't want to discourage something good... for the time being I have just let it be for the most part and I do nothing... "waiting to see" if this should continue...

Actually in my mind, like I said it wouldn't bother me if he was gifted or not... giftedness is nice but I do know it has it's disadvantages too... my older brother was highly gifted but lacked common sense and it seemed like he got into trouble a lot in school b.c he wasn't being "challanged" , my older daughter has the same problem... lack of common sense. And on a daily routine at home I notice both my older brother and my older daughter had difficulty with the simpiliest tasks... ooookay so not to "put down either one" but I do know that being "gifted" has a lot of disadvantages.

I don't think my son expresses the educational "giftedness"... I don't see it... but spiritually I see some things I can't say are considered "gifted" b.c like I said I am not a professional to make that decision. I know the Priest I spoke with said that he believed "God did speak to him"... and a Nun told me the same... they did mention they felt he was "spritually gifted"

It's just b.c he mentions "God" a lot, I don't know how to approach this... I don't know about "spiritual giftedness"... I don't label... I don't know how to react... it's kind of like a preacher that constantly mentions "god" in daily life... this is what he does... I do feel awkard... b.c I simply don't know how to approach it...

This is why I came to everyone here...

spiritchaser
Feb 21, 2010, 09:06 AM
I was borne an indigo child(psychic) where I would see and hear people whom were in the spirit world. I would see a glowing life force all around the living and would know things that were going to happen. My mother never discouraged my gifts but she also did not encourage my gifts. Unfortunately I felt like something was missing in my life until recently when I become part of the spiritual community and started sharing my gift of healing with others. It took too long though I'm 31 now and should have been helping heal and read people since my teens. I recommend that you encourage his wisdom and his gifts. Start with a spiritualist church near you. It is a religion that is based upon encouraging gods spiritually gifted people in a non-religious way if that makes sense. They allow people to be themselves and are very loving and accepting. I wish I had been part of one since childhood. My nephew is also indigo he's 7 now. I am the only one who truly understand him and I'm so glad I can make him feel like he is special. Visit my website if you have any more questions.My contact information is there http://www.kellieroy.com

GiftedChildren
Dec 9, 2010, 06:05 PM
It is an unfathomable gift to have such a gifted child with you, BUNNYPOO4.

It is an even greater gift to have parents in the world that embrace such gifts in their children (insert loud applause here!! )

The gifts being brought through children and parents like you are shaping the world for the children of tomorrow.

There are people out there to support such gifts and to help parents best accommodate the gifts of their spiritually gifted children (http://www.peopletamer.com).

Congratulations on your beautiful service to this wonderful child!

They show us that spiritual maturity is a willingness to always choose the highest path...

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Laurellyn
Sep 27, 2011, 09:08 AM
My daughter is almost 4, we do not attend church nor does she attend school yet. She has always had this imaginary friend that she talks to, plays with, etc. Last week she told me the story of Jesus Crucifixtion. She told it in such detail that there is no way someone else could have told her this story. From him being on "wood" to he had "screws" near his hands and that he did it to "save the world". Every time I ask her who told her this story it is always that her imaginary friend told her. What shocks me the most is that being only 3 she understands what Jesus did.