Why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity whereas irrationality does not

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not
What does Shaeffer have to say about the law of non contradiction

From Wiki:

The law of non-contradiction is indemonstrable (neither verifiable nor falsifiable) in that anyone who attempts to disprove it must use the law itself, and thus beg the question. In this way it can be said to be undeniable, that is, literally impossible to deny. The law is impossible to prove for the same reason, since one has to use the law to prove the law, and this is a circular argument.

I believe it is foolish to even try and prove something to those who refuse to believe. Christianity is based on faith, pure and simple. The facts that God created man, that Jesus died and came back from the dead. And that we are saved by beleving this. There is no way to prove this to anyone because it has to be a matter of faith.
Using mans logic and trying to prove it, will never convince those who have closed their hearts to the truth.

will never convince those who have closed thier hearts to the truth.I have a beautiful open heart Father, I believe that what you wrote is not the truth, therefore my truth is correct.

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity whereas irrationality does not

Who thinks the law of noncontradiction proves Christianity? One can't "prove Christianity" as you put it, it must be experienced - you have to take that "leap of faith" to know. As for irrationality, that's subjective. What's rational or irrational to you may not be rational or irrational to me.

Steve

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

In your opinion. I find it irrational to keep telling me and millions of others our faith is based on emotion. You have no idea as you cannot attest to my experience.


Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

Faith in God gives hope, which certainly is comforting, but I find it illogical to not believe in God considering all the evidence around us every day. Separation from God for eternity would most certainly be torturous, but that's your choice.

I find it illogical to not believe in God considering all the evidence around us every dayWhat evidence would that be?


. Separation from God for eternity would most certainly be torturous, but that's your choice.Tortuous in what way? I'm having a great life! Perhaps you would suffer but others would not.

What evidence would that be?

Been there, done that, your mind is made up.


Tortuous in what way? I'm having a great life! Perhaps you would suffer but others would not.

I'm having a great life, too. I also plan on having a great eternal life some day in the presence of God.

Been there, done that, your mind is made up.
That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

From Wiki:

The law of non-contradiction is indemonstrable (neither verifiable nor falsifiable) in that anyone who attempts to disprove it must use the law itself, and thus beg the question. In this way it can be said to be undeniable, that is, literally impossible to deny. The law is impossible to prove for the same reason, since one has to use the law to prove the law, and this is a circular argument.

The Jesus equation John 11:9 12+12=24 & 2*6+2*6=4*6.
Proves the law of non contradiction.
This proves shrodengers cat wrong that the cat is both alive and dead.
1/3 ALIVE+ 1/3 DEAD+ 1/3 DEAD= 1 DEAD/ALIVE IS IRRATIONAL.
But 1 ODD+ 1 EVEN= 2 ODD 1 ALIVE+ 1 DEAD= 2 ALIVE.
And 2 ODD+ 2 EVEN= 4 EVEN 2 ALIVE+ 2 DEAD= 2 DEAD.
The cat is alive or dead depending on whether you choose the YING OR YANG EQUATION.
Steve

Seriously dude, are you going to make sense? "the Jesus equation proves the law of non contradiction"?

You're being a crackpot right about now :)

That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.


Agree : it is all about faith.

As to "no evidence," I respectfully suggest reading Lee Strobel's "Case for ..." series.





Grace and Peace

Agree : it is all about faith.
As to "no evidence," I respectfully suggest reading Lee Strobel's "Case for ..." series.
Grace and PeaceOk, and you watch the movie Zeigeist.

That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

Actually I've been quite open to evidence against the existence of God, but until someone can explain to me how some anti-matter (or however you want to explain it today) became matter from which some plasma soup spontaneously developed and found the right environment for the 'possibility' of the basic elements of life to evolve into a living, breathing, thinking, feeling human being with a moral conscience, I'd say my 'maybe' is bigger than your 'maybe.' So why don't you skeptics just save us all some time and pick your argument for the day from this list (http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html) and post it for us? :)

Ok, and you watch the movie Zeigeist.

I don't know about inthebox, but I am watching it when I have time. Perhaps you in turn should begin here, and Walk Like an Egyptian (http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html).

So why don't you skeptics just save us all some time and pick your argument for the day from this list (http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html) and post it for us? :)That website is quite inane, I'm not sure why you chose it as a resource. Here are some excerpts:


I went to a party and took LSD.
I saw demons attacking me.
Then Jesus came and drove the demons away.
All religious experiences are obviously drug-induced hallucinations.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Christianity is Borg.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Bunnies are cute.
Perceiving cuteness is an evolutionary advantage.
Therefore, cuteness must have evolved.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

I deleted a copy of the TEN COMMANDMENTS from my computer.
If God existed, he wouldn’t have allowed this to happen.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.Why did you want people to visit that site again?

I think he wanted to make fun of skeptic arguments (poorly). Just click a few link in here (from the same site) if you want a laugh:

Index of /guest (http://www.tektonics.org/guest/)

I can highly recommend the first few paragraphs of truthfulness.htm for a good laugh!

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not

God's Word alone proves Christianity.

Tom

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme God Almighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

Your opinion is ignorance and bad. Make a statement. Argue it.

Tom

That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

Gods Word is evidence.

Tom

That website is quite inane, I'm not sure why you chose it as a resource...Why did you want people to visit that site again?

LOLOL, of course it's inane, just like the 'logic' I see from skeptics. That's the point :D

I think he wanted to make fun of skeptic arguments (poorly). Just click a few link in here (from the same site) if you want a laugh:

Index of /guest (http://www.tektonics.org/guest/)

I can highly recommend the first few paragraphs of truthfulness.htm for a good laugh!

As opposed to what? I think this would be a better place to start (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/masoud01.html).

God's Word alone proves Christianity.

TomIsn't that circular reasoning?

As opposed to what? I think this would be a better place to start (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/masoud01.html).Yes, that site is indeed a good laugh. Thanks! :)

The way I understand opposite particles is opposite in state.
Like elctrons and positrons.
Or opposite in spin.
Steve

Isn't that circular reasoning?
I agree MY SCIENCE THESIS GENESIS 2# proves the law of contradiction not christianity.
The bible alone gives a consistent non contradictory account of origins creation ex-nihilo something out of nothing which cannot be expressed as an equation.
Steve

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not
The Little red schoolbook: How to take a holiday(break) from college evolutionary teaching
Four spiritual laws of creation science

1/There are a million and one reasons to believe evolution.
2/There are a million reasons to believe creation.
3/You have to choose the million reasons to believe creation.
4/ You have to WANT TO BELIEVE CREATION.

Five laws of the scientific method…………

1/ Creation is a science not just a religion.
2/ Evolution is a religion not just a science.
3/ There is scientific evidence that supports creation as well as scientific evidence that supports evolution.
4/ Intelligent design is an empirical science not a religion.
(The bible is left at home.)
5/People ought to know what they believe and the reasons and what they do not believe and the reasons not.
10/ EVERYONE KNOWS THE CLAIM THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT CREATION IS FALSE.

THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE BLUE TONGUE SKINK.
The Holy Spirit is like a blue tongue skink that lives in a spiders burrow.
The blue tongue skink eats the spider in it's palace and sits on it's throne to become king of the palace.The palace is the human soul.
And the Holy Spirit is the King of the Human Soul.
You need to get the wrong man out (spiderman) and the right man in (jesus).
A thief pleaded not guilty to stealing even though he admitted that the video showing him take the watch out of the handbag looked bad.
We are all like that thief we plead not guilty to breaking the ten commandments but the evidence is against us.
We need to plead guilty and then Christ the just judge will exhonerate us.

CREATE AN INTEREST IN THE GOSPEL Category... EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT...
Appedix to the ten laws some of the scientific evidence for and against evolution.
Four reasons to believe theistic evolution.
1/ Proper science proves the world began with a big bang 3.5 million years ago.
2/The speed of light bieng a constant and the distance of the stars prove there was time enough for evolution.
3/Chance is a process controlled by laws of chaos theory.
Chaos theory means there is order in randomness created by God.
4/Evolution is the mechanism God used to create.
Four reasons to believe creation science.
1/The lack of intermediate forms in the fossil record.Darwin said this proves him wrong.
2/The earth is too young for evolution.
One example is the rotation of the earth is being slowed by the moon it has not slowed enough for the earth to be old.
3.Monkeys have 99% of human genes but so does a banana so similarity doesn't prove anything.
4/Geology does not admit into evidence a worldwide flood.
Since the flood is an historical event recorded by all people groups uniformatarian geology must be wrong if it excludes it.
Four reasons to believe in ID.
1/Irriducible complexity example the flagella like a mousetrap it cannot work without all of it's parts.
2/A watch found in a field can be assumed to have a designer.
3/The Greek Philosophy of ID is opposite to the philosophy of the atomists which led to atomic theory.
Both theories are scientific and empirical and do not depend on interpreting the bible or other religious books.
Note:Tradition isn't all bad.
Because of our traditions every one knows who he is and what God expects him to be

HERE IS PROOF FORUMULATED AS TEN LAWS.
IAM MINI MOSES OR BIG TOE KEV IAM EXCITED ABOUT THE GOSPEL

The bible alone gives a consistant non contradictory account of origins creation ex-nihilo something out of nothing which cannot be expressed as an equation.
SteveYou mean "let there be light"? LOL!

1/There are a million and one reasons to believe evolution.
2/There are a million reasons to believe creation.


Since evolution has one more reason, we should believe in that right? :p

The way I understand opposite particles is opposite in state.
Like elctrons and positrons.
Or opposite in spin.
Steve
What about neutrons?

Your opinion is ignorance and bad. Make a statement. Argue it.

Tom

She is welcome to her opinion, but I agree that that unless she can defend it, it means nothing.

Gods Word is evidence.

Tom

Dear Tom,
The law of non contradiction is the foundation of all logic.
To prove it we need to argue that we pretend to believe it.
That what My Science Thesis-Take Einstein to Infinity does and it is avialable on Amazon.
It is also called GENESIS 2# Hamlet without the Prince.
We pretend to believe in the law of contradiction that the laws of physics did not apply before the big bang.
And we have proven that they must apply to creation ex-nihilo even from the very beginning.
That means we have two models.
And unlike the bible we can program Genesis 2# into a supercomputer and get answers.
This constitutes evidence in a court of law.
It is a written contract rather than a handshake.
Stephen

Since evolution has one more reason, we should believe in that right? :p
Wrong we should want to believe creation since evolution offers us no comfort or hope.
It is pascals wager.
We should bet on the fact God is true.
He deserves the benift of the doubt.
Steve

Wrong we should want to believe creation since evolution offers us no comfort or hope.
Science cares not about your comfort and hope, it deals with the observable evidence. If you need comfort and hope then please don't mix that with science.

Dear Tom,
The law of non contradiction is the foundation of all logic.
To prove it we need to argue that we pretend to believe it.
That what My Science Thesis-Take Einstein to Infinity does and it is avialable on Amazon.
It is also called GENESIS 2# Hamlet without the Prince.
We pretend to believe in the law of contradiction that the laws of physics did not apply before the big bang.
And we have proven that they must apply to creation ex-nihilo even from the very begining.
That means we have two models.
And unlike the bible we can program Genesis 2# into a supercomputer and get answers.
This constitutes evidence in a court of law.
It is a written contract rather than a handshake.
Stephen


The truth is that logic doesn't work. That proves your foundation for logic is wrong. If logic worked it would be taught in schools.



TOM

If logic worked it would be taught in schools.Not sure what school you went to but here we learn math.

Logic is a very useful tool, but you can make some pretty absurd, yet completely logical statements. It certainly isn't the be-all and end-all, but it certainly is a subject worthy of study.

Here's why you have to apply logic carefully:

It's called the raven paradox:

We make an initial argument (whether true or not):
1. All ravens are black.

It logically follows that:
2. All non-black things are non-ravens.

Following so far? Good. Now, the problem comes when we try to verify these logical rules in the real world. If we see a black raven, we can see that that makes argument 1 stronger, it is confirmation of our initial assumptions

Now how about if we see a red apple? This confirms rule 2, it is non-black and is a non-raven. However, because arguments 1 and 2 are logically equivalent, seeing a red apple also confirms argument 1.

I'll state that again. It is logical that seeing a red apple confirms that all ravens are black. Now, common sense tells you that this is tosh.

There's more on the history and discussion of the paradox here: Raven paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox)

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

Chou Christianity is not based on emotion. Christianity is based on relationship. It is the only "religion" that can be said to be based on relationship and so is unique.

Fact; Jesus Christ existed and still exists
Fact; God exists and has existed eternally
Fact; Jesus was killed for telling us he is God, this he willingly allowed
Fact; Christian through the ages have believed despite the attempts of athiests and non believers to claim these facts untrue

Chou Christianity is not based on emotion. Christianity is based on relationship. It is the only "religion" that can be said to be based on relationship and so is unique.

Fact; Jesus Christ existed and still exists
Fact; God exists and has existed eternally
Fact; Jesus was killed for telling us he is God, this he willingly allowed
Fact; Christian thru the ages have believed dispite the the attempts of athiests and non believers to claim these facts untrue

They are faith, not fact.

I can accept your 3rd statement as fact, but the others I find hard to accept as fact. Do you have evidence?

The way I understand opposite particles is opposite in state.
Like elctrons and positrons.
Or opposite in spin.
Steve

I understand them better now Bose Einstein means particles are in the same state and the same place at the same time.Fermi dirac statistics mean they are not.
1/3 Bose EInstein+ 1/3 Bose EInstein+ 1/3 Fermi Dirac= 1 Bose Einstein/Fermi dirac
That is the particle is both in the same state at the same time in the same place and not.
Like before the big bang between existence and non existence.
Steve

Light alone can be the exception to the law of contradiction for the big bang.
If light is in the same state at the same time in the same place what does that mean.
Let their be light.
Steve

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not

The law of non-contradiction states that two opposite statements can't both be true at the same time. Since it is true that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not contradict themselves, then it is true that Christianity is characterized by the wisdom and logic of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Irrationality. Thinking or acting without regard to the rationale. This characteristic is not Christian. Christianity is characterized by the wisdom and logic of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,

De Maria

You know, the Bible anticipated you who are skeptics and the Holy Spirit dictated these words to the Apostle Paul for your edification.

Rom 1:16-32
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)

Pay particular attention to verse 20. It applies to you.

You know, the Bible anticipated you who are skeptics and the Holy Spirit dictated these words to the Apostle Paul for your edification.

Rom 1:16-32
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)

Pay particular attention to verse 20. It applies to you.But what about a blessing I have yet to see any blessing form my writing.
And it is obvious that it is no blessing.
Because it is plain that the fruit is bad.
And yet I continue to make a blog.
Because I hope in vain for something to happen.
And that is positive.
And everything seems to be negative.
And all things come to those who wait.
One day I will be happy I kept writing.
Because I could be afraid of all the possibilities .Like a poisoned pie.
And I do not believe that.
And the truth is I do believe God is the author of a poisoned pie.
Because everything I believe affects me.And believing God is the author of a pie that is poisned.
Really makes it hard for God to reach me.
And it isn't the case that it is hard for God to reach me.
And it really is tue that He is trying hard.
To get me to believe that pie is not poison.
Because if anyone can eat the pie and not be hurt then it is nor poison.
But of course I explian the way of 666.
And I explain how to believe otherwise.
And of course I make it very difficult to believe otherwise.
But that is because it is difficult to prove 666 wrong.
With mathematics.
Because it is easy to prove it wrong with logic.
And that is what I will do right now.
I will prove 66 wrong with logic.
It is logical to do the opposite of what Jesus sais.
If Jesus sais 12=12=24 is right then 21+21=42 must be right.And that is the logic of the blasphemers.They simply have to choose 42 as there answer rather than six fours.
If Jesus has said 42 was the answer they would choose 24.
And it is obvious that jesus did not say anything.And of course it is all in my mind.And I may have darkness instead of light.
That is the whole question have I blasphemed the Holy Spirit by talking about why Einstein is wrong.Everythign cannot be one the way God is one.
And if the equation attempts to make creation the same as he creator then it is a pot of poison.

Grad assistant contact the producers of Expelled and see if you can get a special screening for Stephen Hawking at his house.
They will say yes.
But will hawking I think so he will be interested to comment on it.
Steve A jeffrey

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

If you are an atheist then your beliefs are also based on faith, *emotion* and perhaps you find comfort in your belief that god does not exist so that you do not have to worry about torture in eternity. But saying God does not exist is not a factual statement because you have no way of proving it but you believe it anyway. So the bottom line is your beliefs require just as much faith as any religion would require, if not more. :)

I have proved the idea of ex-nihilo creation by science and not faith.
The equation does not balance for the energy of the universe.
To make it balance energy must be got from outside the universe.
i.e.. GOD.
It is simply rational not emotional just logic.
Steve

I don't doubt christianity requires faith but so does atheism.
But E=MCsquared does not agree with the law of non contradiction.
And that is what christians consider the test for truth.And I have shown that the big bang also fails that test.
Steve

I don't doubt christianity requires faith but so does atheism.
But E=MCsquared does not agree with the law of non contradiction.
And that is what christians consider the test for truth.And I have shown that the big bang also fails that test.
Steve

You're going to have to start making sense one of these days, right now you sound like the timecube guy... :/