Well I am beginning to think I am gay and I am wondering if I would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on TV about how god hates gays, and I'm not sure if I am gay but this isn't helping...

Also what if I kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,

If you do not believe in God or the Devil, why do you believe in Heaven and Hell?

I used to be a Mennonite and in my church it was okay to be gay. We had a few gay members. If it is okay with the Mennonites, I don't see why it wouldn't be okay with any other religion. But that's the wonderful world of organized religion for you.

You will know if your gay or not; you just have to be completely honest with yourself. I have many gay friends and they have told me that the always knew they were gay. In my opinion, gay people don't go to hell. They can't help who they are; they are living, breathing, beautiful human souls just like the rest of us.

Universal Truth disagrees: "if relgion doesn't support your views, just change your system of belief" - nice

What the hell? I was talking about my personal experience with my religion. I never told him to change his belief. Do you read English?

I have to spread the rep around but I thought your answer was great star! I love the local Mennonites in my area BTW!

I have to spread the rep around but I thought your answer was great star! I love the local Mennonites in my area BTW!

It wasn't my favorite religion in the world, but they were so nice! I just didn't like our Pastor that much, he never put any excitement into his preachings, he used the same tone of voice through his whole sermon. Even the die hard church goers would fall asleep sometimes.

I believe in hell and heaven because I kind of believe in god, I want to believe in god, but I'm having a hard time...

I believe in hell and heaven because i kind of believe in god, i want to believe in god, but im having a hard time...

Whether you do you don't, your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs and I do not believe in preaching to anyone. I don't like it when people pressure me to go to church. Nobody should look down on someone for their beliefs.

Whether it is okay to be gay religiously, I don't know, but like I said, in my old religion we welcomed anybody and everybody.

I think we all go through phases of doubt about religion. You just have to decide to go with you faith or logic.

Star: I know what you mean; drab church sessions are the worst.

I think I heard it best from my gay friend in college. I once asked him "how did you know you were gay", thinking there was some sort of science behind it.

He replied: "I stuck something in my butt and I liked it.... a lot"

It seemed pretty cut and dry at the time, so I never questioned his logic. Then, about two hours later, I realized that you don't need to be gay to put things in your butt; you just need to be sexually adventurous. So I again posed the question to my friend, stating my new theory.

He then replied: "I like men sticking things in my butt"

I couldn't help but laugh (no pun intended). My friend David made a valid argument. I think being gay is something that is that simple. I mean, if you are questioning it, you are probably gay.

As for the god issue... It's a matter of your beliefs. I find it hard to believe that being gay is genetic. Therefore the only alternative is that you are choosing to be gay. My logic for this is simple - In genetics, the genes are hereditary elements passed on from the parental generation. Half from each side. If your parents are heterosexual, they wouldn't carry the gay gene, thus making it impossible that you are genetically gay. However, if it is a recessive trait, present in one copy in both parents, then sure, you are gay. The catch is, over time the gay gene would have been lost since it doesn't increase your ability to reproduce- gay people can't procreate. Given how many generations of humans that have come and gone, it's a safe bet to say that the gene is no more. The only alternative is choice.

Now, since we have concluded that you are chosing to be gay, we can attack the religious implications. If you believe that God hates sinners and sinning is a consequence of free will, then your "choices" can and will send you to hell. However, if you are not that religious, it won't matter because you will die, just like the rest of us and no amount of gay sex is going to change that.

My advice... make a decision on what you are and enjoy it. It really doesn't matter. Gay or not, we all die.

What the hell? I was talking about my personal experience with my religion. I never told him to change his belief. Do you read English?


No, I'm sorry. I only read spanish, type in english, and speak latin.

Your response was your experience, and I was simply using the "not helpful" link to state that I did not feel your answer was helpful. It was not a personal attack.

Well I have said this in a previous post but I figure its useful in this thread:

I thought about it real hard and I tried to think back as far as I can to when I tought I was gay. I think I know why I may have turned gay (If I wasn't from the start). When I was 13-14 this one guy would always ask me to go on webcam with him and he would always do stuff to my character (On a game) such as have sex with it. He got banned about a month ago for Sexual Harassing numerous people. Another person also would ask me to cam and would send me links of him masturbating, if this is the reason I am, can I go back? I know you said your friend switched between orientation, but I do not want to be alone. I want to have a family, and have kids.

Just because you watched someone masturbate on cam does not necessarily mean you are gay. If you want to have a family, and kids, that must mean you still think about being with women. Is it possible that you could be bi?

"nauticalstar420 disagrees: I was letting him know that some religions do accept homosexuality. If it is okay to Mennonites, it must be okay to their version of God. That was his question, after all."


I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

I don't agree with what you said and I stated my case. Deal with it.

You don't choose to be gay... you either are or your not. Check out this website.
What Makes People Gay? - The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/)

"nauticalstar420 disagrees: I was letting him know that some religions do accept homosexuality. If it is okay to Mennonites, it must be okay to their version of God. That was his question, after all."


I am aware of that.... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does".... not really helpfull because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

I don't agree with what you said and I stated my case. Deal with it.

Its funny though, because you don't really have a case. I already told you, I was just letting him know that some religions do accept it. I never said "change your beliefs" or "believe in what I believe" now did I? If I did, please post it in a quote so I can fix it. Like I said to him before, I don't preach to people or try to make them change. That decision is up to them. I was just letting him know, that in some cases, it is accepted.

It doesn't mean you are gay, it means you have sexual curiousity. It's the equivalent to the people who like pain as pleasure, or just good old fashioned porn. It's a fetish not a sexual orientation.

The bible frowns upon fetishes though

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I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

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I don't believe she was trying to get him to convert or believe in something else. This was a simple,personal experience that she was sharing in order to get the point across that some religions don't think that gay people should go to hell. Personal experiences are great!

Well the reason I wrote that last paragraph was to explain that I think my thought process was altered because I was in a way being manipulated. The two people would always talk sexually around me about themselves and always ask me about my penis and such. I hope I'm not gay, and there is that possibility of being BI, I just hope my love for women increases more than women... Hopfully it is just a phase that I will eventually get over

Its funny though, because you dont really have a case. I already told you, I was just letting him know that some religions do accept it. I never said "change your beliefs" or "believe in what I believe" now did I? If I did, please post it in a quote so I can fix it. Like i said to him before, I dont preach to people or try to make them change. That decision is up to them. I was just letting him know, that in some cases, it is accepted.


I see your point, but you are missing mine. You stated your situation, thus proposing an alternative. It's an implied meaning. It's like when your friend says that he hates his car cause it's a pile of crap, and you say "my car runs great". You are not actually saying "you should have bought a car like mine" but you are implying that your car is better given the situation at hand. Anyway, it's not the point. I'm not here to argue with you over what you said. I disagree with it, and that offends you. I really don't care. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to give an honest opinion. Can we please get back to the issue at hand?

well the reason i wrote that last paragraph was to explain that i think my thought process was altered because i was in a way being manipulated. The two people would always talk sexually around me about themselves and always ask me about my penis and such. I hope im not gay, and there is that possibilty of being BI, i just hope my love for women increases more than women... Hopfully it is just a phase that i will eventually get over

It is possible that you could get over it. After all, anything is possible. It does sound like you were somewhat manipulated, but it in no way means you are gay for sure. Think about it this way, do you fantasize about being with men? Or do you just think you could be gay because of these experiences?

You probably aren't gay! You sound very straight to me. ;)

It's not a phase. It's a subconcious desire that you are expressing in a tentative fashion. It seems more like you are trying to test out what peoples reactions are before you commit. You should express confidence in your decisions. If you lack it, people will sense the weakness and ridicule you for it. That's how most people actually manipulate others.

These past experiences were probably brought on by a weakness in your character that they found they could exploit. You had to show some tendency to discuss your penis, otherwise you would have avoided those individuals altogether. This only strengthens the case that you have made a choice, but you are unwilling to take responsibility for it.

I see your point, but you are missing mine. You stated your situation, thus proposing an alternative. It's an implied meaning. It's like when your friend says that he hates his car cause it's a pile of crap, and you say "my car runs great". You are not actually saying "you should have bought a car like mine" but you are implying that your car is better given the situation at hand. Anyway, it's not the point. I'm not here to argue with you over what you said. I disagree with it, and that offends you. I really don't care. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to give an honest opinion. Can we please get back to the issue at hand?

I get your point as well, but I in no way think I am better than anyone, or my religion is better than others. You didn't offend me. Why should I be offended? Being a part of that religion was a personal experience of mine and I am proud to have experienced it. But like I said, I am not trying to convert anybody. I am not even a member of that religion anymore.

P.S... have you read how the rating system works? Bad ratings aren't generally given for personal experiences, or opinions. They are SUPPOSED to be used if a person is dead wrong about something, but it doesn't always go that way. I don't usually give out bull crap ratings, but yours kind of caught me off guard and pi$$ed me off. I am sorry about that though.

Sometimes I fantasize about men but I think the reason I do is because I think I'm gay and thefore I try to act gay. I read that boys for some reason go through a gay period of where they tend to fantasize about other boys. However I don't think this happens at my age, and it has been going on for like a year. Maybe I am just comparing myself to the other boys? I never attempted or planned to make a move on a boy.

sometimes i fantasize about men but i think the reason i do is because i think im gay and thefore i try to act gay. I read that boys for some reason go through a gay period of where they tend to fantasize about other boys. However i dont think this happens at my age, and it has been going on for like a year. Maybe i am just comparing myself to the other boys? I never attempted or planned to make a move on a boy.


I have never heard of the "gay period" that boys go through, but then again I am not a boy. It could be that the fact that you think you are gay is the reason that the fantasizing takes place. The feeling that you are gay could be overwhelming your mind.

You know what I think though? No one really knows until they experience it. I am in no way condoning someone as young as yourself particpating in any sexual act, let me just get that out of the way. But if you try it, and don't like it, you aren't gay. If you do like it, but still like women, you could be bi. And if you try it, and like it better than women, you could be gay. See what I'm getting at?

It's not a phase. It's a subconcious desire that you are expressing in a tentative fashion. It seems more like you are trying to test out what peoples reactions are before you commit. You should express confidence in your decisions. If you lack it, people will sense the weakness and ridicule you for it. Thats how most people actually manipulate others.

These past experiences were probably brought on by a weakness in your character that they found they could exploit. You had to show some tendancy to discuss your penis, otherwise you would have avoided those individuals altogether. This only strengthens the case that you have made a choice, but you are unwilling to take responsibility for it.

I see your point, hmm, well they probably took an advantage of the fact that I have never had any guidance in my life, so I think I kind of looked to them as family. My dad was never there for me and my mom is to busy at work for me.

I have never heard of the "gay period" that boys go through, but then again i am not a boy. It could be that the fact that you think you are gay is the reason that the fantasizing takes place. The feeling that you are gay could be overwhelming your mind.

You know what I think though? No one really knows until they experience it. I am in no way condoning someone as young as yourself particpating in any sexual act, let me just get that out of the way. But if you try it, and dont like it, you arent gay. If you do like it, but still like women, you could be bi. And if you try it, and like it better than women, you could be gay. See what i'm getting at?

Yeah I see what your talking about, I suppose that makes the best sense, since I can't really tell without actually having contact with a male or a female

There is a reason behind the fantasies...

I suggest trying my friends logical approach at it. It's really an impirical thing. If you question it, no amount of talking will lead to an answer.

I see your point, hmm, well they probablly took an advantage of the fact that i have never had any guidance in my life, so i think i kind of looked to them as family. My dad was never there for me and my mom is to busy at work for me.


He did bring up a good point. You were looking to others for guidance, and happened to run into someone that took advantage of you when you were vulnerable. I hate people that manipulate like that. It is just flat out wrong.

How could a nice guy like yourself be gay.
Maybe your just looking t much into this.
You keep thinking gay so your turning gay.
I think when you think about things too much you start to think its true when really its not.

I disagree. My parents weren't there for me either. In fact, my dad was cheating with my moms boss, while my mom was at work. I never put myself in the position to be manipulated and I hung out with some pretty shady characters back in the day. I've never questioned my sexuality. I moved to college, and never even told my parents I was going. So I'm going to disagree with the whole "lack of guidance" excuse

I disagree. My parents weren't there for me either. In fact, my dad was cheating with my moms boss, while my mom was at work. I never put myself in the position to be manipulated and I hung out with some pretty shady characters back in the day. I've never questioned my sexuality. I moved to college, and never even told my parents I was going. So I'm going to disagree with the whole "lack of guidance" excuse

Some people are stronger than others when it comes to not having parental guidance. When some people don't get enough attention from their parents, they seek it elsewhere, and its not always a good resource.

just think differnetly,
go out and meet new people talk to some girls.
maybe you should test yourself to see if you are gay.
like if a h=guy was willing to let you touch him in certain places would you do it?

Some people are stronger than others when it comes to not having parental guidance. When some people dont get enough attention from their parents, they seek it elsewhere, and its not always a good resource.

Which is why I stated that part about exploiting weakness. In order to have a weakness, you have to be predisposed to certain tendencies. You have to want to change. Look at religion - people don't just believe because someone told them to. They believe because they want to; they want someone to give them an answer.

It's the same thing in this case. Is it possible that he was wanting someone to tell him he was gay? Perhaps that's why he is here.

just think differnetly

Nice...

I think this is up there with telling him to just switch religions.

which is why I stated that part about exploiting weakness. In order to have a weakness, you have to be predisposed to certain tendencies. You have to want to change. Look at religion - people don't just believe because someone told them to. They believe because they want to; they want someone to give them an answer.

It's the same thing in this case. Is it possible that he was wanting someone to tell him he was gay? Perhaps thats why he is here.


That is possible. It could be that he wanted someone to tell him he was gay so he would feel better about it. I don't know, because I don't know him personally. But that is a good point.

But I do have to say, there are quite a few people that are pressured into religion because they are told they will burn in Hell if they don't. It scares some people, so they start going to church.

just think differnetly,
go out and meet new people talk to some girls.
maybe you should test yourself to see if you are gay.
like if a h=guy was willing to let you touch him in certain places would you do it?

First, it is not a good thing to openly condone sexual activity when someone is underage.

And if he feels he is gay, he can't just "think differently". It isn't that simple.

sGt HarDKorE -

What is it that you are looking for? Are you more concerned about being gay, or that you may not get to have that BBQ in heaven with Tammy Fae Baker and Jesus

I think this is up there with telling him to just switch religions.

Except for the fact that I never told him to switch religions.

I'm out- I have way too many experiments to do tomorrow. Best of luck with figuring it all out. When you are done with that, feel free to solve that whole neuro de-generation issue for me so I can sleep in tomorrow.

Well thanks guys for the help and you guys have helped made me think really hard about why I think I am gay and such, and I am about to make up my mind about if I am gay, and I think I am not gay, however I may be bi. But I just have to wait to experiment and maybe then ill find out, and sarah is right, I need to not worry about it so much and just live my life. Thank you everyone!

well thanks guys for the help and you guys have helped made me think really hard about why i think i am gay and such, and i am about to make up my mind about if i am gay, and i think i am not gay, however i may be bi. But i just have to wait to experiment and maybe then ill find out, and sarah is right, i need to not worry about it so much and just live my life. Thank you everyone!

You're welcome and I hope you figure it out :)

If you aren't convinced you are gay then maybe its just a desire to be close to a man? I believe you mentioned in another post that you are not close to your dad. Maybe since you are at a "hormone running" time its manifesting itself as a sexual desire. I say give it time.

And no you won't go to hell for loving someone of the same sex. Anyone who says otherwise I just can't believe God would no longer love you. God is all forgiving. I cannot imagine if Hitler asked to be forgiven for his sins and let into heaven that you wouldn't get to go without any act of contrition. ;)

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,That's perfectly all right. As long as you are a good person and treat others well you can join the millions of other atheist/agnostics in this world who are happy.

Hello.

WOW the answers where filled with a lot of "information" but most was directed at each other not your question hehehe...

Relax and see where life takes you. Because your confused doesn't mean your Gay it means you met some people that opened your eyes to another way of life, maybe more then any Ladies have to date. I bet if you had some Ladies give you the same attention as the Guys did you wouldn't be asking yourself if your Gay.

As for Going to Hell... I feel that God looks at your heart and as long as your living your life as a good positive person, helping others over yourself then you are not going to hell. Many churches have gone so one sided to get people to follow them that they loose sight about what God has said. None of us walk a pure path in this life so what makes your sin worse or better then my sin. So would being a good hearted Loving Gay Man be a worse sin then a man that takes what isn't his. They are both sins... Relax If we all went to hell for a sin no one would make it upstairs.

Good Luck
Dennis777

Thanks guys this is really helping

Random stuff for universal Truth


I find it hard to believe that being gay is genetic. ... The catch is, over time the gay gene would have been lost since it doesn't increase your ability to reproduce- gay people can't procreate. Given how many generations of humans that have come and gone, it's a safe bet to say that the gene is no more. The only alternative is choice.



This genetic approach is too simplistic. If the 'gay' gene/genes made the female siblings of male gays more fecund either by a) making them also more feminine/fertile or b) allowing them to raise more children with a brother 'nanny' without a family of his own then it would confer a genetic advantage. You could consider it a genetic lottery one is a dead end (the boy) and the other a winner (the girl) so that gene could find a means of being passed on via genetic selection. Just a random thought for you, I know you seem to like logic so thought you might appreciate it.

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Anyway, hello to answer the OP I had a friend who worked out she was gay by trying to imagine having intercourse with a both sexes - she could image it with a man at all so that sorted her thoughts out.

Don't worry about being gay, and don't label yourself too young either. You always have time to make up your mine- or just wait and see who you fall in love with. Keep your options and your mind open. Just live your life in a way which maximises your happiness and don't worry about what other people/ random deities think. Doesn't matter what you do someone will think it's wrong. It just how people are.

So just experiment (if you're old enough), have fun but be safe whatever you do!! Doesn't matter if you're gay or straight if you get some horrid STD you're out of the game.

God and heaven will accept you no matter what as long as you want to accept them. Church is just a formal place to gather what is in your own mind and heart is what matters.

Your More Than Welcome :) Xx

You can not help who you are I believe it is more important to be yourself then anything else I am a christen but all so bi-sexual the church I go to knows this and accepts me for who I am

I hope that is true. People make god sound bad and I believe that stuff.

Dude your going to hell..
Now how dumb does that sound
I think going to hell should be the last thing on your mind, your young and obviously going to question your sexuality, I know I did.
Your bodies changing and with time you will just know what sex to go for.
If men and their sex organs is all that's on your mind then yeah, your 'probably' gay.
I know I'm straight because all that's on my mind is girls and how to get into their pants.
I'm only 18 so please excuse my word choices

Dude your going to hell..
Now how dumb does that sound
i think going to hell should be the last thing on your mind, your young and obviously going to question your sexuality, I know I did.
your bodies changing and with time you will just know what sex to go for.
If men and their sex organs is all thats on your mind then yeah, your 'probably' gay.
I know im straight because all thats on my mind is girls and how to get into their pants.
im only 18 so please excuse my word choices

That was rude. I honestly don't even know what to say.

THAT WAS SOOOO RUDE! HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT I Don't EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY! GOSH..

Hey well ignore him that was rude! Anyway, I used to be that way! Well not the gay part but the god part..

So if you want to believe in god and your parents aren't very church active. Try talking to them, say you want to start going to church or a christan program for teenagers.
If they dissagree ask a friend that you know of that goes to a church their parents would probibly love to take you!

Aqbout the gay part well, I read the bible and God didn't intend for people to be atracted to the oppisite sex, try praying and ask him for the best and what happens was meant to happen, but I think god does look at your heart not your sexuality..

Good luck! I'll be praying for you! You sound very sweet abnd I hope for the best!

Xoxo- rachael (aka) destiny <3

As long as you are Christian and believe that Jesus Christ is your savior, and you ask forgiveness, you will go to Heaven. God doesn't hate gays, He LOVES gays.
God hates the sin, not the sinner. It's very easy to confuse the two, and many people do. It's just like envying. Everyone has envied before... "I wish I had that purse," "Look at that car... what I would give for that..."
Envying is something everyone does all the time, and it's a sin. But do you hear "God hates people who want things"? No. People ask forgiveness for that, and God forgives and loves them. So again I say, God hates the SIN, NOT the sinner.
God is absolutely in love with you, and not in the gay way, or the weird way, or the crazy way, he just loves you.

Ignore everyone that says you are bad because you are gay. When they tell you that, just say "So you have never lied? You've never wanted anything you didn't have? You've never cheated?" When they say something bad about your sexuality, it's the pot calling the kettle black. Don't listen to them, listen to God. When you have trouble, talk to Him. Give all of your broken dreams and heartache to Him, and give all of your unanswered questions to Him. He will gives you all the answers you will ever need, and he is always there for you when no one else is.

I'd say if you want to get into Christianity, get involved with a Non-denominational church, so you won't feel overpowered by Christians that just think it's their way or Hell.

Talk to Him, He's listening.

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Sparky :)

Well I am beginning to think I am gay and I am wondering if I would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on TV about how god hates gays, and I'm not sure if I am gay but this isn't helping...

A lot of what you see on TV is a biased opinion. Either is a conservative channel or liberal; christian or muslim, fun-loving or serious. I personally believe God loves everyone :D . Once you sort out your own beliefs (about yourself and/or spirituality) you don't have to worry about what anyone else thinks.


Also what if I kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
I grew up that way too. In a way, I feel like I missed out and had struggles to overcome because of it. In another way, I feel lucky that I could sort things out with an open mind. I became Christian, my brother became Atheist.

I might be in the minority here, but I firmly believe there is no "wrong" religion or way of life. To each their own! Besides, I've read some of your previous posts and you seem like a highly intelligent and well-rounded individual. You'll figure this all out.

Good luck on your journey... where ever it takes you. :)

I hope that is true. People make god sound bad and i believe that stuff.

Well, I feel bad for those people. "God-fearing" is a term that might help understand this. Some take it to mean God's bad and will punish you for unpure behavior, feelings, or thoughts. I don't think of it that way at all. I believe God only loves and is there for you if you want him/her to be.

Its all about choice, hun. You have to feel it in your heart but it takes your brain to lead you there.

Persoanlly, if you gay lez bi w/e... YOUR life. God loves everyone, but when he says he hates these things HES clearly on crack. No one can help who they like, you can't tell your heart what is what. You shouldn't have to either what kind of life is that? So what they think your going to hell if your gay... forget them. Be yourself. I will say I have a good friend who is gay. His family shunned him, his classmates made fun of him an I because I stuck up for him. Its scary to be different. But the world is starting to gain more tollerence towards the gay community. Which it should. If I ever see someone making fun or condemming someone who's gay to hell I will let them have a piece of my mind. Ignore that BS. That's what it is. They are scared of that way of life... let them live in fear, just don't let them change you whatever sexual prefferance you are. Good luck.

This is MY opinion αnd well you cαn hαte me αll you wαnt..

god hαtes sin αnd sinners go to hell

The end

this is MY opinion αnd well you cαn hαte me αll you wαnt..

god hαtes sin αnd sinners go to hell

the end


True your opinion, but I think the reason that passage in the bible makes people think "omg gays are icky" is because you (christians) take one word or passage and turn it upside down and side ways and pull it so far from the meaning it grows into something not even true. No one kno's what some of thee texts mean truly... only the persons who wrote in and guess what... they dead.

Well i am beginning to think i am gay and i am wondering if i would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on tv about how god hates gays, and im not sure if i am gay but this isnt helping...

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
I am not religious at all but you being gay isn't a bad thing you don't really have a choice in wheather or not you like the same gender as yourself. Besides don't worry what other people will think you are your own person and if you are confident in yourself you will feel so much better. Also who cares what people think, right.

this is MY opinion αnd well you cαn hαte me αll you wαnt..

god hαtes sin αnd sinners go to hell

the end


If this were true then EVERYONE would go to Hell and NO ONE would go to Heaven... because EVERYONE sins except for Jesus Christ. So if all sinners go to Hell, then is Jesus all alone up there? Does everyone go to Hell except for Him?

The answer is no. Therefore, all sinners do not go to Hell, only ones that don't believe Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

this is MY opinion αnd well you cαn hαte me αll you wαnt..

god hαtes sin αnd sinners go to hell

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You mean to tell us that you have never sinned in your entire life?

I find that hard to beileve

If this were true then EVERYONE would go to Hell and NO ONE would go to Heaven... because EVERYONE sins except for Jesus Christ. So if all sinners go to Hell, then is Jesus all alone up there? Does everyone go to Hell except for Him?

The answer is no. Therefore, all sinners do not go to Hell, only ones that don't believe Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

So if you don't believe, you go straight to Hell... nice... I thought God was so forgiving, is that not true? If he was so forgiving, wouldn't he forgive those that don't believe?

I don't no much about being a catholic because my family is not active, but I hope god sends people to heaven based on how good a person they are. I know some catholics/christians who are really bad people, but they believe in jesus christ being a part of god. I don't think those people deserver a better chance.

So if you dont believe, you go straight to Hell...nice...I thought God was so forgiving, is that not true? If he was so forgiving, wouldnt he forgive those that dont believe?

If you didn't believe... and then decide to receive him as your Lord and Savior, of course He will forgive you. He'll forgive you if you ask for it.

But if you don't believe, then why would you be worried about going to Heaven or Hell? Because if there is no God and no Jesus, then there is no Heaven and no Hell.

I only meant to say what missconfused said in a different way.

But if you don't believe, then why would you be worried about going to Heaven or Hell? Because if there is no God and no Jesus, then there is no Heaven and no Hell.

I only meant to say what missconfused said in a different way.

That is the point I was going to make, but I see why you said that now :)

Hi I live in Oz I don't see a lot shows that say about gay Someone in my family are gay Actuly its 2 ones a girl & they are both chisrtain & they are open about it and there minster says they won't go 2 hell but in some place that is true what they think of gays. :cool: :)

hey, am a christian and I strongly believe in God. People say, "am gay and i can not help it" ....... but God has given all of us a gift of choice. You can choose to be gay or you can choose to be straight. Also God doesnt hate sinners or gay people........its what they do that he hates... Theres is a difference. If u read the bible ( new testament) Jesus came to save sinners, He ate and dinned with them.
God loves you and He is willing to help you through the struggles u have about your Identity. He says He who seeks (looks out for ) him will surely find Him.........................

I don't know if u joined I church but when I was think same as you they really helped me there are qrite a few gay peeps on there and they descuse the points of sin and repenting here is the link I really think it would help you to talk to them there really nice peeps i-church (http://www.i-church.org)
sparky

well my old town my pastor was gay and he knew all about the word if that makes u feel better

Well i am beginning to think i am gay and i am wondering if i would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on tv about how god hates gays, and im not sure if i am gay but this isnt helping...

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
Screw that.
Live your life happy, not worrying about what anyone thinks about you.

AND if there truly is a god, why would he eternally damn on of "his children" to hell for liking someone?

In past times, there was actually no such thing as straight, bi, and gay.
Everyone just liked who they liked.
How we became a race of people who discriminate others based on sexual preferences, I don't know, but it really bothers me.

And if ANYONE ever gives you about going to hell for this, just ask them "Give me proof that there IS a hell, and then we'll talk."

=]]

Be happy, screw others views.

hey, am a christian and I strongly believe in God. People say, "am gay and i can not help it" ....... but God has given all of us a gift of choice. You can choose to be gay or you can choose to be straight. Also God doesnt hate sinners or gay people........its what they do that he hates... Theres is a difference. If u read the bible ( new testament) Jesus came to save sinners, He ate and dinned with them.
God loves you and He is willing to help you through the struggles u have about your Identity. He says He who seeks (looks out for ) him will surely find Him.........................



Bull.
You can't choose that.
People always get for being gay, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY CHOOSE A HARDER LIFE?:confused:
The doesn't make a lot of sense.
Also, certain studies of homosexual cadavers have identified differences in brain structure and an X-chromosome gene not present in heterosexuals.

It doesn't mean you are gay, it means you have sexual curiousity. It's the equivalent to the people who like pain as pleasure, or just good old fashioned porn. It's a fetish not a sexual orientation.

The bible frowns upon fetishes though


The bible may frown on festishes but, to be fair, it was written before Big Busty Beautiful Women Volume 8 was published. Does God have a position on chubby chasing?

will I be sent to hell?
God never "sends" anyone to hell
People send themselves to hell, by denying god




The bible may frown on festishes but, to be fair, it was written before Big Busty Beautiful Women Volume 8 was published. Does God have a position on chubby chasing?
Obesity used to be a status symbol, chubby chicks used to be highly desirable

sGt HarDKorE, I think you have been through a few things that have made you question yourself. I also think that your at the age its okay to be curious about the world around you, and as you've seen by the many different posts, everyone has an opinion they think is right, and that's what they believe and follow. You have a lot to learn about yourself, and the world so do as all young people do and learn. No one can tell you who or what you are, and the best thing about choices (yes you have that) is you can chose to be whatever you want, or live the way you want. Just I would say go slow, and don't jump into anything you don't feel is right for you, and let no one define who you are, but you. As your ideas and thoughts become more solid, as you know yourself, then your path will be clear. If it helps look around you, and see if there is a male figure who you can talk to, whom you trust and look up to, and see if he can give you answers, or directions, for the path you seek, and don't be afraid of what others may throw at you, because God made you from love, and no one can take that from you, no matter what book they throw at you. Very glad you have come here, and hope you stay.

sorry but the ULTIMATE sin is not beleiveing in God!

sorry but the ULTIMATE sin is not beleiveing in God!Guilty! :) Now what happens?

GO READ 1 corinthians 6:9-10... dat will answer your question no doubt... (do not be misled... nor men who lie wit men... will inherit god's kingdom)

sorry but the ULTIMATE sin is not beleiveing in God!
Why?? HE gave you free choice, so why is it a sin not to believe in a particular belief system?? Do you have a book to quote, or is that your opinion??

Why??? HE gave you free choice, so why is it a sin not to believe in a particular belief system???? Do you have a book to quote, or is that your opinion????
He gave us a choice because He wants us to WANT to be with Him. He wants us to make our own decision about it. He doesn't want us to be in cages where we have to do what He says. He gives us guidelines (that's the whole point of the Bible) and wants us to follow those guidelines, but He wants us to follow them on our own. He wants us to love Him on our own free will. We can deny Him or embrace Him.
Think about it. If someone told you that you HAVE to love them and believe in that person, wouldn't you be more obligated to go the opposite way? But if they telly uo they love you, and give YOU the choice to make on your own whether you want that person to be a part of your life or not, you are so much more apt to love that person with all of your heart.
That's why we have a choice.

Screw that.
Live your life happy, not worrying about what anyone thinks about you.

AND if there truly is a god, why would he eternally damn on of "his children" to hell for liking someone?

In past times, there was actually no such thing as straight, bi, and gay.
Everyone just liked who they liked.
How we became a race of people who discriminate others based on sexual preferences, i dont know, but it really bothers me.

And if ANYONE ever gives you about going to hell for this, just ask them "Give me proof that there IS a hell, and then we'll talk."

=]]

Be happy, screw others views.
Oh and God doesn't damn anyone to Hell, especially not for a reason like that. If someone doesn't go to Heaven, it's not because they were gay, or because they were a liar, or even because they were a killer who raped 100+ people, it's because they didn't embrace God's love. That's the bottom line to all of this.

sGt HarDKorE, I think you have been thru a few things that have made you question yourself. I also think that your at the age its okay to be curious about the world around you, and as you've seen by the many different posts, everyone has an opinion they think is right, and thats what they believe and follow. You have a lot to learn about yourself, and the world so do as all young people do and learn. No one can tell you who or what you are, and the best thing about choices (yes you have that) is you can chose to be whatever you want, or live the way you want. Just I would say go slow, and don't jump into anything you don't feel is right for you, and let no one define who you are, but you. As your ideas and thoughts become more solid, as you know yourself, then your path will be clear. If it helps look around you, and see if there is a male figure who you can talk to, whom you trust and look up to, and see if he can give you answers, or directions, for the path you seek, and don't be afraid of what others may throw at you, because God made you from love, and no one can take that from you, no matter what book they throw at you. Very glad you have come here, and hope you stay.
SGt This is such a sensible and caring post that I felt you needed to read it again. I really hope you listen to this man , he has great widsom and understanding. Sorry Tal the rep system would not let me give you a Greenie.

Hi there... why do you feel that you are gay?? Well, whether you are christian , muslim, jewish, hindu... etc... GOD is there and is not waiting for you or me or anyone else to believe of his existence... Look around you in the whole world and you will find that simplist thing around you tells you that GOD is very much in there... take your body for example... who created you & the mechanism of your origins... As for going to hell because you are Gay... Well, you can stop it if you are gay... ask GOD for forgiveness, never do it again.

Ms. Redress

take your body for example... who created you & the mechanism of your origins.His parents created him, they had sexual intercourse, I always thought that was basic knowledge


... Well, you can stop it if you are gay...ask GOD for forgiveness, never do it again. Gay is not a choice, read the thread and educate yourself about homosexuality.

His parents created him, they had sexual intercourse, I always thought that was basic knowledge

Gay is not a choice, read the thread and educate yourself about homosexuality.

Yeah but we christians believe that god created who we are and our personality and our talents long before we were born, please respect that belief :)

Everything is a choice karma

Well, honestly mate, god forgives all sins (so if gay is sin, then you won't be sent to hell for it as long as you accept jesus and etc etc)
And I guess its better than you being like that gutless guy on 60 minutes who tried to hide his gayness because he was afraid for over 20 years, and then decided to come out, dumping his wife and kids for another man, because he didn't have the guts to be who he truly was.

yeah but we christians believe that god created who we are and our personality and our talents long before we were born,
everything is a choice karma So you believe any talents or personality traits that you have are set before you are born and you cannot change them in any way? Yup, I agree with you, we differ there. I believe life is what we make it. If we decide to make a change in life we can learn to do so. It's called being responsible and taking ownership of your destiny versus believing that our lives are all planned out ahead of time.


well, honestly mate, god forgives all sins (so if gay is sin, then you wont be sent to hell for it as long as you accept jesus and etc etc)
and i guess its better than you being like that gutless guy on 60 minutes who tried to hide his gayness coz he was afraid for over 20 years, and then decided to come out, dumping his wife and kids for another man, because he didnt have the guts to be who he truly was.Reminds of Ted Haggard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard). It's amazing that 3 weeks of counselling completely cured him of his gayness. Truly a remarkable man.

I believe that you cannot change it, but you just have all this talent you haven't uncovered yet karma, so your not really changing your talents, just revealing them.

Reminds of Ted Haggard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard). It's amazing that 3 weeks of counselling completely cured him of his gayness. Truly a remarkable man.[/QUOTE]

Have to respectfully disagree with you there NeedKarma.

I heard about this man before, nearly chocked on my cornflakes then as I did now.

He is exactly what is wrong with organised religion.
1) People shouldn't just be forgiven for killing people/ using people/ flouting laws as if they don't apply to them. Any fool can regret yesterday. Anybody can pretend they have found the light.

2) I don't believe he was cured of 'gayness' I think he is lying

He was discover and lied like the little worm he was. He didn't play that organisation for power once but twice. Yes I suppose he is a remarkable man but not in the way you are thinking.

there are so many gay people in the world and I don't think God would
send them all to hell just because of their sexual orientation. People can't
help it if they are gay or not, and I don't believe it is a sin. Being "gay" isn't a label
for your life, its merely just a fact. Saying "gay" is a sin is like saying brown hair is
a sin, because you can't help it.

so my advice,
don't worry about it, people and God will look at you for who you are, not
your sexual orientation.

Well i am beginning to think i am gay and i am wondering if i would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on tv about how god hates gays, and im not sure if i am gay but this isnt helping...

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
I know that it's hard coming up in today's world, and you have come across a feeling that is normal, I have heard that same saying that if you go with your same sex that you will go to hell, now I'm not saying that I don't believe in God, I'm not a church goer either, I was raise in the church were we went to church every day. I don't go to church till this day, and it's not cause I don't believe, it's just that church has become a business now. I can talk with God in my own home, and I do every day.
When I was your age I didn't know if I like girls or boys, so I tired both, I'm NOT telling you to do this, but you should really sit down with your mom and dad and let them know what your feeling, tell them not to get upset, that you want to know what is going on with your feelings inside you, this will also make your family home life closer.
By the way I'm a girl and I love guys. I'm married to a wonderful man. And wouldn't trade it for the world, if there were no men on earth, I still wouldn't want to be with another woman. No matter what, cause in my heart I know and can feel that it's wrong.

One thing to remember is if you don't believe in God that doesn't mean his doesn't exist. Believe in God! Find some help in Faith. I thought I was gay for years but I am married now and have a wonderful life with kids and great sexual relationship with my wife. I am a man by the way. If you want a wholesome life than you can have it. God can give if to you. I know for myself. You may be looking at gay porn and feel good as you look at it but when it's all over, if you want more than an orgasism than take a step back, pray, and find God and he'll help you find yourself. I promise.

johnfrost disagrees: you weren't a mennonite. Crazy maybe...

And who are you to tell me what I was, and what I wasn't? Or are you some kind of psychic that can tell things about people just from the words they type?

For being so "Godly", you sure know how to treat people. You can call me crazy all you want, but no one knows what I have done/been in my life but me and a few close people.

Well i am beginning to think i am gay and i am wondering if i would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on tv about how god hates gays, and im not sure if i am gay but this isnt helping...

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
Be happy! And be what you want to be!You hear on TV about how God hates gays but do you think they really talked of it with God?I am not sure... :)

To answer your question, everyone will go to hell if they do not believe in Jesus as their savior. It does not matter if your gay or straight, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So the problem isn't whether your gay or not it is do you have faith in Jesus. Read the Bible. Jesus died for you and took your sins on himself to save you. But in order to receive this wonderful free gift you must beieve with your heart. God has so many wonderful gifts for those that put their trust in HIM. You will experience such love and joy and peace, you will be a changed person. Think about how great God's love is for you if he is willing to suffer in your place so you don't have to be punished but just enter into His love and on top of that you will have eternal life. What a great deal. Don't pass it up.

Of course if he finds a really great guy and true love he will also experience love, joy and peace.

Yah and gay isn't bad

Well i am beginning to think i am gay and i am wondering if i would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on tv about how god hates gays, and im not sure if i am gay but this isnt helping...

Also what if i kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,
I once had a priest tell me this and I just have to share it with you. He said there is light and the dark and when you die you have a choice to choose which way to go. The light of course is heaven and the dark of course is hell. I know it is the essence of simplification but I liked it and hope you find some meaning out of it. Bottom line, we always can make a choice and no one forces us. Good luck!

U have 2 believe! If you don't... dats bad! God is here! Mhwua ahahahahahahahahaha! And how do you not know if your gay? Yes or no? Do you like grls? Or boys? Do you like both? Mayb your bisexual... who knows? OnLY U KNO!

Oh brother. You lost me when you asked whether you would go to hell for it, you are you, gay bi or hetrosexual-move on and accept yourself. Only you have to live with you-don't think you have to live up to other peoples/the churches standards-respect yourself.

OK you might not be a christian but no just cause your gay your going to be sent up to hell! Where the hell did you hear that from?? OK the true meaning of a chrisitian is asking god into your heart and trusting him and ask forgivness of your sins.

NO OF COURSE YOU WON'T! There are plenty of christians out there that are gay. If you say someone is gay, and make fun of them, you should be sent to hell... cause that is like being a racist! (you'll be better of being a christian)

Great answer!

Sent up to hell? What?