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sand32
Jun 18, 2007, 05:00 PM
7 months ago I ran into my old boyfriend, who I haven't seen for 25 years. He was my boyfriend when I was 15-17 years old. At the time we broke up I when we were teenagers, he wanted it to be more serious and I, being only 17 was afraid of talking about
Getting married and so forth. I had heard about him a few times between then and now, I
Was told by a few people that even years later he asked about me and said he couldn't get
Me out of his mind. I too, thought about him a lot over the years, and regretted hastily
Breaking up with him. Well, the years go by, and I have been married (15 years) and
Divorced, he is on his 2nd marriage. His 1st marriage only lasted a few years, his current
Marriage is going on over 15 years now. I have also heard from several people that his
Current wife is very possessive of him and has a lot of problems, including threatening suicide, having 2 afairs (that he knows about) etc... Anyway, when I saw him again it was
Obvious that the feelings were still there for us both. When we hugged, neither one of us
Wanted to let go. As dramatic as this may sound, I actually felt like I found a missing piece of myself. We exchanged emails and have been in touch ever since. We have met
In person a few times during lunch and after work. We can talk for hours and be happy
Just holding each other. We talk about everything on email, from every day things, our kids, and how we feel about each other. Neither one of us knows what to do. I know this is obviously wrong, and hearing about and knowing people having affairs with married men, before this happened to me, my advise was always to just get out of it and stop it.
Having an affair with a married man is something that will only get people hurt. These things do happen, my best friend actually got back together with her old boyfriend from high school, while she was still married, she got divorced and married her old high school boyfriend, they have been married 17 years now. I feel like an idiot not, believing I would never let myself get into a situation like this. But it's here, it's happening and I don't know what to do. One thing I haven't mentioned yet is that I have been with the same man now for almost 6 years. We have a great relationship, and without him knowing it, I have screwed that up! The old boyfriend that I am, I guess I could say having an affair with has been talking about divorcing his wife, he says they have always had problems and he wants to be with me. I know I sound like the idiot, in love with a married man who realistically may never leave his wife. I would like advise please, mostly from people who have experienced the same thing, not just having an affair like this, but with an old love. Hopefully there is someone out there who can give me advise, good or bad and maybe share their experience. :confused:

rockerchick_682
Jun 18, 2007, 05:36 PM
You're a not smart woman and a homewrecker! Are you freakin' serious? What do you expect people to say when you tell them you're dating a married man. He's freakin' married for a reason, no dating! Get a life come on, what? You can't find a single one?

JoeCanada76
Jun 18, 2007, 05:53 PM
Like rockerchick has said. He is married and your in a relationship right now. He is off limits no matter how you feel. Now if he is truly series about wanting to be with you he will get a divorce first. If your series about him you will let your boyfriend of 6 years.

You need to know that the grass is not always greener on the other side. My advice is stay clear until you are honest with your boyfriend and until your old boyfriend has a divorce and finalized. Then you will be and he will be free to do anything. Right now, off limits.

Bounderies.

Joe

MishcaParker
Jun 18, 2007, 06:00 PM
:) I am still in love with my boyfriend from when I was 15 and always will be, because he was my first love! He was the first person who really knew how to make me feel special in soo many different ways and he too spooked me by talking marriage but I realise I am in love with the memory and my youth only. I can understand if your old boyfriends relationship is unhappy, the happy memories of you would be very appealing but the reality can be very different, not to say some people do not reunite with old loves with very successful relationships. I would suggest you seek a counsellor as it does not sound to me like you are in love, as you said from the first meeting neither of you wanted to release from the hug and you found "a missing piece", were you really as happy as you thought?

sand32
Jun 18, 2007, 07:10 PM
Thanks for the advise, even the nasty 1 calling me a whore, I would have said the same thing 7 months ago if I replied to this question, it's much different when you are in the situation, but for MishcaParker & Jesushelper-a big thank you to both of you, I am going to take your advice, we have not been intimate with each other, so best to end it before anything does happen, your advice (from the last too that is LOL) made me really think. I'll keep checking for other opinions and maybe ask for more advice on this if I need it. I kept thinking that it was fate/destiny that we ran into each other again, but, I think now that if that was the case, we would have run into each other when he wasn't married & I wasn't in a relationship . Thanks all

talaniman
Jun 18, 2007, 07:46 PM
I kept thinking that it was fate/destiny that we ran into each other
Or a test of character, or mental heath of you both.

sand32
Jun 18, 2007, 07:55 PM
I agree, and Thank you, I think that makes more sense !

rockerchick_682
Jun 18, 2007, 09:27 PM
I'm sorry for my harsh answer, there's just been a lot of posts like this, it seems that way anyway. I don't know you, so what I said means nothing, but he's married, he's taken, get out while you can. Find someone who will commit to you fully, without someone else in the picture. Really I know it sucks to move one from someone you love, but it's for the best. You will find someone else that will add as much or more to your life as he did.

Constance Priestess
Jun 18, 2007, 10:23 PM
Hi,

I can empathise with you given it must be harder to have "had and lost" your first love, than to have let it go. However, that is indeed in the past and both of you had moved on to other choices in life in between all these years.

We all make choices in life and we have to stand by them - no matter what comes up. In that vein, any choice you make right now will lead to different outcomes and you have to stand by them. Love is a beautiful thing when it's pure and natural. The fact is that he's married and he still is no matter what external factors are governing it e.g. unreasonable wife, etc.

Excuses are not hard to find if we need them to justify our actions. Be honest with yourself - do you think you deserve a man who's not completely yours to hold, love and cherish? I'm not being old fashioned but just want you throw the light from a different angle.

And also, there are kids involved here. Yes, kids today are resilient but as adults, it is our responsibility to rise above our own wants and to look outside of the tiny circle.

Take some time away from this issue, take care of yourself and most of all, be kind to yourself.

LuvMyMaltipoo
Jun 18, 2007, 10:36 PM
Just remember that things when you were 17 were a lot easier than they are now. Of course you only remember what a great guy he was, you were 17 then... I can assure you that you've both changed and you shouldn't jump into this mess without realizing that. You guys are grown adults now, it is time to act like it.

Jiser
Jun 19, 2007, 01:22 AM
You have both changed in all these years, common get a grip, it seems like some sort of school girl/boy fantasy. Those childhood years seem like magic, they always will to most of us, but do you risk your life now? For what.

Your in a happy relationship, don't risk it. It may be best now to have some alone time to reflect on what you want. Perhaps booking a trip away for a few weeks or days alone or with friends may help.

sand32
Jun 19, 2007, 04:14 AM
Thanks all for the reality check. I really do have morals! And never thought in a million years I'd sneak behind my boyfriends back or worse yet see a married man. One of the posts said that it's easy to make excuses to justify this-and boy is that true. I'm really glad I asked this here-funny thing, the responses are exactly what I would have advised someone myself. And yes there are kids envolved, my kids, my boyfriend's and the married man's-most of them grown, but none the less, not something you want your kids to loose respect for you for! I think I've already done that to myself-so among other things I need to get that back. I won't be able to talk to the married man until Thursday, but I am prepared to tell him it's over-on the phone. Honestly it will be a little hard, I think I'll read these answers 1st !

destiny1981
Jun 28, 2007, 05:43 AM
Hello sand32
I can feel exactly how your feeling cause not so long ago I was in the similar position you are. In love with my first love he was married with two kids. He told me he was unhappy with the marriage and his wife. He use to spend all his time with me as he wife lives out of the country. I had a boyfriend of 6yrs as well but thought I was exactly with man I love and never cared much about my boyfriend finding out. The married man made me feel special,wanted, he gave me all the attention he was my best friend and I actually thought he was going to leave his family for me.

I use to ask him when he was going to divorce his wife and the answer was he can't leave his children as he grew up in a single home. He can't do that to his kids.
I still stayed thinking he will leave her one day.

Then the reality hit me.. I fell pregnant with my first boyfriend.I told him and he told me to have an abortion. As he can't bare his wife finding out.
That's when I knew he was never going to her. All this didn't mean anything to him he was just having his cake and eating it.

I decided to keep the baby and told my boyfriend of 6yrs the truth about the baby and the affair.He was hurt but he forgave me and stayed with me.

As for the married man its over between us he still with his wife. The wife knew about us and the baby.but she stood by him.

So this is my advice from what I've learned from all this.
Run as fast as you can from this man. He's married he will never leave his family for you especially when kids are involve. If he was going to, he would have done it by now.
Yes he might be having problems with his wife but most married couples have problems.
Leave him before ist too late, yes he was your childhood sweetheart but that chance is gone now. His life is with his family now and yours is with your boyfriend.

You need to move on with your life learn to love your boyfriend of 6yrs. You need to tell him the truth cause he deserve to know all this.
U deep down have the answers to your question but sometimes we choose to ignore the truth.
The truth is, the married man is just enjoying the excitement and we tend to confuse that with love,he might be bored the hell out of his married and he's looking for a bit of excitement and now he's getting that with you.and when he's done with you there will be the next person and the next until he gets caught. Men lie and cheat all the time.

Stay away from him before its to late. Take care.

SeanB
Jun 28, 2007, 06:05 AM
Stay away from him. He's married, you'll end up making a huge mess of the situation for both of you. Take a step back, a deep breath and move on. You'll be with someone who completes you in good time. Everything happens for a reason, you just keep doing what's right and everything else will fall into place.

Kattalover
Jun 28, 2007, 06:11 AM
How does the old Spanish proverb go? "Take what you want and pay for it, says God."

The price for an affair with your old flame would most likely be your current relationship and possibly your relationship with your children as well. Are you willing to pay?

nicespringgirl
Jun 28, 2007, 06:22 AM
I think you need to quit now! Think rationally please!

candy girl
Jun 28, 2007, 06:36 AM
I was in a similar situation although my old love was from in our early twenties. We met a few years later. It was like something out of a romantic novel, it was valentines day, and I was picking my friends daughter up from school as my friend was ill, when a motor bike passed me, the motor bike did a u turn and on it was my ex who pulled out a valentine card for me. He was going to put it through my door, but since we where both married thought better of it. We met up the following day and chatted for hours, this baceame a regular occurrence purley plutonic for 9 months, as we had both got our families to think about. Then the relationship progressed I left my husband first and it took 14 months for him to leave his wife, we lived together for three years and have been married for 10 months, and have a beautiful 2 year old girl. Love will conquer all, you will go through rough patches but once you get the goal you will never look back. Until you meet the one you love when you look back you will relise that that was not love, go with your heart and be happy.

talaniman
Jun 28, 2007, 06:54 AM
as we had both got our families to think about. Then the relationship progressed I left my husband first and it took 14 months for him to leave his wife...
Candy girl, Just asking, not judging. Don't you think this plutonic 9 month friendship distracted you from putting all you could into your relationships, and was it plutonic still, as you waited those 14 months for him to leave his wife? Just curious as having been married 33 years, and been happy, know how much time and effort and commitment it takes to keep a marriage going, through all kinds of tribulation.

Blastoff
Jun 28, 2007, 10:29 AM
What you are going through is more common than you might think.

Here's a site with some research & discussion boards that might be of great help to you:

Lost and Found Lovers - Home Page (http://www.lostlovers.com./)

sand32
Jun 29, 2007, 09:19 AM
Thanks, Like I said originally this happened with my best friend while she was married to her 1st husband, she said she knew her life was changed when she saw her old h.s. boyfriend again after all those years &she's been married to her old h.s.boyfriend now for over 17years. It's very confusing, I did stop seeing the married man, though we are still emailing and talking on the phone. He respects that I won't see him until the day ever comes when I am not with my boyfriend and he is divorced like he said he is going to be soon (I know that's what they all say) he hasn't tried to push it &he says that makes sense for us to stop meeting and seeing each other.At 1st we didn't communicate at all, then he called me after a few days and asked if I thought it would be OK if we just checked in with each other once in awhile. It was so nice to hear his voice, I agreed to that. I don't know if I made the right decisson to just be in touch on email/phone sometimes or if we should stop all communication, until and if ever I am not with my boyfriend and he is not married anymore. Like I originally said I never thought I'd do this to my boyfriend of 6years, so I sure the hell have to figure out some things about what I want and if my relationship with my boyfriend is the right thing, and he (married man) has to do that as well, we can't do that (figure things out) if we see each other so that' why we arn't-any comments on us still communicating--checking in with each other once in awhile? We do not discuss our relationship/marriage and how that is going as far as staying together or not-we agreed we can't think with clear heads on that as long as we talk about it to each other.

andy2659
Jun 30, 2007, 02:54 PM
I concur with Blastoff. Take a look at that site he recommended. There are lots of people going through what you have. Unfortunately, not many success stories but some people who have rekindled, reconnected and ended up together are incredibly happy with their situation. The question is whether you want to risk going on what many on that board call a rollercoaster ride. As for many of those on this board who have judged you, simply ignore them. Nobody else has the right or knowledge to judge you or tell you what you should do because they are not walking in your shoes. Gain as much information about this phenomenon (not uncommon) and make your own decisions and choices. Good luck.

s_cianci
Jun 30, 2007, 03:05 PM
I've never been in your shoes but married men are off limits. If he wants to be with you badly enough he'll divorce his wife soon enough. Just because his current marriage may not be a healthy one doesn't make it right for you to fool around with a married man. While waiting for him to divorce his wife you've got to come to terms with your current relationship of 6 years. It isn't fair for you to drag him along either. If you truly feel that you ultimately want to end up with this old boyfriend then have the decency to make a clean break with this other guy now.

talaniman
Jun 30, 2007, 05:11 PM
they are not walking in your shoes.
Why would I want to walk in the shoes of a cheater, homewrecker, or adulterer??
I made a vow not to.

Gem07
Jun 30, 2007, 06:39 PM
The #1 life principle is Do No Harm. Therefore, you must not do anything with this man that could potentially harm his wife, his children, him, and you. I've had an affair with a married man and got out with great difficulty. It is morally and ethically wrong. Tell him you cannot continue to see him or speak to him because he is married. Mend your broken heart. Believe that there is someone just like him (or better!) out there for you.

I also believe in karmic retribution which means that all your thoughts/words/actions will come back to you in some way. I think many people do not see adultery as wrong anymore because it is so prevalent. Marrieds cheat with singles or other marrieds. Singles cheat on their boyfriends/girlfriends. If promises have been made through marriage vows or through talks of exclusivity, then you are honor-bound to respect that other person. Draw the line before you're emotionally tied even deeper than you are now.

Like Talaniman said, perhaps this was meant as a character test for you both. I think that's a very wise analysis. The man with whom I cheated reappeared again to rekindle the relationship. He's still married, I'm still single. But I did not give in. He began calling incessantly, he stopped by my apartment twice, left me notes on my car. I am determined not to allow myself to slip back into immoral behavior again, no matter what. No matter how great the temptation. He will never be in my home again. We will never discuss/do anything that wouldn't be discussed/done in front of his wife. He may not have risen above our past dishonor, but I have. It is my choice to stay on a new path. And it is yours, too. Do not give in.

talaniman
Jul 1, 2007, 05:12 AM
(https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/andy2659.html)andy2659 (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/andy2659.html) disagrees: I just don't understand such incredibly myopic thinking as yours.
(https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/andy2659.html)
Of course you don't, You must put FAMILY first. I will take that kind of myopic thinking anytime.

andy2659
Jul 1, 2007, 06:20 AM
Of course you don't, You must put FAMILY first. I will take that kind of myopic thinking anytime.

You think your family is better off if you are in an unhappy marriage? Your children? Your wife?

Its so easy for somebody to pontificate about things that are none of their business or things which they don't understand.

Tuscany
Jul 1, 2007, 06:24 AM
You think your family is better off if you are in an unhappy marriage? Your children? Your wife?

Its so easy for somebody to pontificate about things that are none of their business or things which they don't understand.


No one deserves to be in an unhappy marriage. But, before moving on to another relationship one must resolve the issues in the unhappy marriage. If it is divorce than fine, if it is counseling than fine, but cheating on your wife or husband is not the answer.

What does that teach the children?

bushg
Jul 1, 2007, 06:47 AM
Ouote "His 1st marriage only lasted a few years, his current
marriage is going on over 15 years now. I have also heard from several people that his
current wife is very possessive of him and has alot of problems, including threatening suicide, having 2 afairs (that he knows about) etc..." Sand 32 Does this man have the staying power that it takes to see a marriage through. At 40+ years of age he is ready to leave his second marriage. Ok, lets talk about his wife who seems to have some serious mental issues. Were are his kids when he is meeting up with you? What kind of man leaves his kids with a deranged mentally unstable person to have a moment away with his lover. Is this the kind of man that you want? I do not think he is quite the catch you make him out to be. Even if he leaves his wife for you, which I doubt he will, 15 years is along time to stay with a crazy woman, that you don't love. What happens to you if you and he get together and you start to have problems, will he find someone else to hold and comfort and exchange emails with.

talaniman
Jul 1, 2007, 06:47 AM
andy2659, You think your family is better off if you are in an unhappy marriage? Your children? Your wife?
There is a right way to do things and a wrong way.............:D Just leave before you bring more misery and pain.
Its so easy for somebody to pontificate about things that are none of their business or things which they don't understand.
Whats so hard about to understand its wrong to put your family thru misery and pain, because of BS??????????????????:confused: Be aware that posting in public makes it anybody's business.:eek: You stuck your nose in, didn't you?:rolleyes:

bushg
Jul 1, 2007, 07:06 AM
I concur with Blastoff. Take a look at that site he recommended. There are lots of people going through what you have. Unfortunately, not many success stories but some people who have rekindled, reconnected and ended up together are incredibly happy with their situation. The question is whether you want to risk going on what many on that board call a rollercoaster ride. As for many of those on this board who have judged you, simply ignore them. Nobody else has the right or knowledge to judge you or tell you what you should do because they are not walking in your shoes. Gain as much information about this phenomenon (not uncommon) and make your own decisions and choices. Good luck.
So you are telling this woman to only think of what is good for her, The children caught up in this lying cheating deception, do not deserve to have parents that are foscused on them and what is best for them. I had a lying cheating father so I feel as though I have the right to judge her. I am 44 years old and I still remember the fights, the other women and being ignored because he was to caught up in something other than being a father. He is in his 60's now and gues what he is still up to the same old $hit so what does that tell you about men that are to immature to deal with their problems and just go from woman to woman. *Edit* Oh and by the way when he and my mom divorced I was 6 years old. So dear old dad has been a womaniser for what 38 years hmm...

Blastoff
Jul 1, 2007, 09:21 AM
I am not suggesting to sand32 that extramarital affairs are "good" or "justifiable" things. What I'm suggesting is that there is a particular reason why she's having this issue with this person, and many of the internal emotional dynamics involved are NOT the same as those that people find in your day-to-day run of the mill, extra-marital affairs.

The site I referenced would help explain why.

andy2659
Jul 1, 2007, 04:26 PM
So you are telling this woman to only think of what is good for her,. The children caught up in this lying cheating deception, do not deserve to have parents that are foscused on them and what is best for them. I had a lying cheating father so I feel as though I have the right to judge her. I am 44 years old and I still remember the fights, the other women and being ignored because he was to caught up in something other than being a father. He is in his 60's now and gues what he is still up to the same old $hit so what does that tell you about men that are to immature to deal with their problems and just go from woman to woman. *Edit* Oh and by the way when he and my mom divorced I was 6 years old. So dear old dad has been a womaniser for what 38 years hmm.....

You have missed the whole point. No body is advocating womanizing and affairs. We are talking about whether a person has the right to be with the love of there life or to at least explore that possibity. None of you have convinced me of anything other than you believe everybody should live by your own standards and moral judgments. Our country is great because it allows for not only freedom of expression but freedom of thought. You can have any opinion you choose on the matter. But don't think for a second that your position is absolutely correct or the other person's absolutely incorrect. And I still don't see how anybody can possibly tell somebody else what they should or should not do with their lives. You can only speak for yourselves.

bushg
Jul 1, 2007, 06:25 PM
andy2659, I put my children first since they were brought in this world by myself and my husband. Hell, it would have been so easy to have given up many, many times. But children need to have parents that are willing to do the work in order to make a family work. They Deserve to have both a mother and father in their day to day life, offering them security and guidance and attention. How can a parent focus their attention on their children when they are worried about problems with their spouse and a girlfriend at the same time, and work and on and on... After their kids are grown then they can make all of the crappy decisions that they want to. But until then they have a responsibility to raise their children with their parent. Personally, If a grown woman wants to date 10 married men then that's on her , it's the children in this mess that I concerns me. They deserve more.

sand32
Jul 1, 2007, 08:00 PM
My children who are all grown except for 1teenager at home are not affected by this. Again, we have not been intimate, I don't ignore my kids, grown or still at home, my kids have always been my #1 priority. As I said on another one of my comments, I haven't seen him for 2weeks. When I did it was not ever when I should have been with any of my kids. I do want opinions, good or bad, but I must say this is not a sneaking off to a sleazy hotel situation. I don't know if I mentioned also, but, my boyfriend does know that I ran into him and have been emailing him. Yes there is still a lot of wrong about this because of the feelings we are having towards each other. Which is why I am not meeting him for lunch or seeing him at all anymore. I am very glad I am getting all these opinions though, it certainly does help.

andy2659
Jul 1, 2007, 09:10 PM
Sand32, all I will say is what you are feeling is not unusual. Many other people have gone through it. Don't let those who don't understand or who think they speak from some morally superior advantage get to you. Believe me when I tell you they are absolutely clueless and their judgments of you are worthless. You can be a wonderful mother regardless of anything they say. One issue has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Good luck.

startover22
Jul 1, 2007, 09:38 PM
Sand32, all I will say is what you are feeling is not unusual. Many other people have gone through it. Don't let those who don't understand or who think they speak from some morally superior advantage get to you. Believe me when I tell you they are absolutely clueless and their judgments of you are worthless. You can be a wonderful mother regardless of anything they say. One issue has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Good luck.


All I can say to your post is: what a disappointment to hear you say this. What a disappointment.

JoeCanada76
Jul 1, 2007, 09:44 PM
Sand32, all I will say is what you are feeling is not unusual. Many other people have gone through it. Don't let those who don't understand or who think they speak from some morally superior advantage get to you. Believe me when I tell you they are absolutely clueless and their judgments of you are worthless. You can be a wonderful mother regardless of anything they say. One issue has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Good luck.

One issue has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Your so wrong here. Of course, each issue does effect each other.

startover22
Jul 1, 2007, 09:56 PM
My children who are all grown except for 1teenager at home are not affected by this. again, we have not been intimate, I don't ignore my kids, grown or still at home, my kids have always been my #1 priority. As I said on another one of my comments, i havn't seen him for 2weeks. when i did it was not ever when i should have been with any of my kids. I do want opinions, good or bad, but I must say this is not a sneaking off to a sleazy hotel situation. I don't know if I mentioned also, but, my boyfriend does know that I ran into him and have been emailing him. Yes there is still alot of wrong about this because of the feelings we are having towards each other. which is why I am not meeting him for lunch or seeing him at all anymore. I am very glad I am getting all these opinions though, it certainly does help.


I know you know you are doing wrong. It is time to stop and make it a right. When you are single and he is too, that is when it would be right. Put yourself in your boyfriends shoes. You would be so hurt. Remember we treat others how we want to be treated. When we do right, right does us... Karma, God, how ever you want to put it. I really think it isn't to late to turn this thing right around. Thank you for listening! Start

bushg
Jul 2, 2007, 03:38 AM
My children who are all grown except for 1teenager at home are not affected by this. again, we have not been intimate, I don't ignore my kids, grown or still at home, my kids have always been my #1 priority. As I said on another one of my comments, i havn't seen him for 2weeks. when i did it was not ever when i should have been with any of my kids. I do want opinions, good or bad, but I must say this is not a sneaking off to a sleazy hotel situation. I don't know if I mentioned also, but, my boyfriend does know that I ran into him and have been emailing him. Yes there is still alot of wrong about this because of the feelings we are having towards each other. which is why I am not meeting him for lunch or seeing him at all anymore. I am very glad I am getting all these opinions though, it certainly does help.
Sand I am not saying you are right or wrong. As far as your b.f , How would you feel if it were you? The old sweet heart is what gets me the most in this, a 15 yr relationship, sneaking around on a insane woman with kids this is what really concerns me. Sand usually what we feel at 15 -17 is not the deep strong love that can withstand the test of time. I am afraid that you are caught in the youthful feelings of days gone by. You do not really know him as a man. You can not be with him out in the open around his family and friends to get a good judge on his true character. You have conflicting feelings about him and this relationship or you would not have posted here. All said at the end of the day you are the one that lays quitely at night with yourself and your thoughts and you know, in the pit of your stomach if you are proud of your actions. I do not think that you are with out morals or that you are a selfish woman. If had you been, you would have went head long into this relationship with out giving a damn about anyone else. All said, at the end of the day you are the one that has to be proud of you.

sand32
Jul 2, 2007, 04:28 AM
Thanks bushg-he doesn't have kids with the "insane woman" they are only hers, and they are grown and gone also--but I do see your point! You're right about the conflicting feelings-which is why I posted here-I've never gone into one of these before! I did stop seeing him 2wks ago now-when I was seeing him it was during lunch hour-we work in the same general area-this is how we bumped into each other in the 1st place.What you say makes a lot of sense--I have to say, anyone in here can turn the corner coming out of Starbucks and bump into an old love and get those feelings back again--It can happen when you lease expect it and take you by surprise because it's so overwhelming. But, it's not what happens to you it's what you do about it right? I'm glad I asked for opinions in here,though some were assuming it was more than it was and affecting kids etc.. But it was bad enough, staying in touch, meeting for lunch and after work (while I wouldn't have been with my kids anyway).. So, I have changed things and I don't intend on seeing him or being in touch with him anymore-that will only lead to 4 people getting hurt. So I have stopped it completely. Thanks for all the opinions, good or bad, mostly from the people who actually read this.

Tuscany
Jul 2, 2007, 04:31 AM
You have missed the whole point. No body is advocating womanizing and affairs. We are talking about whether a person has the right to be with the love of ther life or to at least explore that possibity. None of you have convinced me of anything other than you believe everybody should live by your own standards and moral judgments. Our country is great because it allows for not only freedom of expression but freedom of thought. You can have any opinion you choose on the matter. But don't think for a second that your position is absolutely correct or the other person's absolutely incorrect. And I still don't see how anybody can possibly tell somebody else what they should or should not do with their lives. You can only speak for yourselves.


So you would be fine if your wife had freedom of expression with another man?


Oh and by posting here you ask for opinons of others. It is up to sand to do with those opinons as she likes.

startover22
Jul 2, 2007, 08:26 AM
ANDY::::::::Cheating leads to lying, then you have to cover up lies, then you have to go behind loved ones back (tell me that doesn't affect them) then you have to have untrue feelings for someone and keep those up, you hurt people when you cheat, you hurt yourself because it is immoral, it is wrong. Sheesh the guilt alone would kill me, if my husband didn't first! (he would just leave me) but I was trying to get my point across. On the other hand, if you and your partner decide that you are going to see other people, well then go for it, but don't lie about it. You are in some sort of denial. Have a great day. Start

talaniman
Jul 2, 2007, 09:45 AM
I am unclear as to, did talking to your ex, break up your relationship with your b/f, or did your ex fill a need after the break up?? Either way don't listen to his rap, and think of wasting any time and effort to this ex. He is not worth the misery and pain, and as a single female your options are limitless, and can be much healthier and full filled in a relationship without baggage, than worry about what the ex will do in his future. If you cannot handle just friends with the ex, and deal with the unrealistic temptation for more, then leave him alone, and enjoy being healthy, happy, and single.

andy2659
Jul 3, 2007, 08:14 AM
Geeze. I do not advocate lying or cheating. I am simply not being judgmental like so many of you. Its all well and good to tell somebody to get over the love of their life, but its not so easy to do. Additionally, telling somebody to stay in a poor marriage for the children is the worst kind of advice, because in the end the poor marriage hurts the children more than a divorce would. Every person needs to decide what is best for them without being judged by those who simply have so little understanding of what the heck is going on. But I do agree on one thing. Leading a double life is no way to live. You can't have a healthy relationship with a spouse if you are in love with another person.

startover22
Jul 3, 2007, 08:28 AM
Geeze. I do not advocate lying or cheating. I am simply not being judgmental like so many of you. Its all well and good to tell somebody to get over the love of their life, but its not so easy to do. Additionally, telling somebody to stay in a poor marriage for the children is the worst kind of advice, because in the end the poor marriage hurts the children more than a divorce would. Every person needs to decide what is best for them without being judged by those who simply have so little understanding of what the heck is going on. But I do agree on one thing. Leading a double life is no way to live. You can't have a healthy relationship with a spouse if you are in love with another person.
The last three sentences are what we Judgemental freaks were saying all along, I think you like the light buddy!

bdjphinojosa
Jul 3, 2007, 08:43 AM
I think it is best that you come out and put everything on the table. If this man loves you and wants to be with you he needs to leave his wife. When he is divorced then you should get back together. Being with a married man just isn't right. You will feel better about yourself and your relationship if you do this the right way. You don't want to be a home wrecker.

MayfairLady
Jul 10, 2007, 05:38 PM
I haven't read all the answers to your dilema sand_32 but I respect you (and from what I have read destiny1981) for being honest and sharing your experience with us, I'm sure it will help many. In my life I can only learn from people who have had a similar experience to me and through them sharing their experience I can learn and make hopefully good decisions. Not that I am a religious person but I like the spiritual principals taught in the bible and when confronted with the 'woman caught in adultery' with the crowd accusing her and wishing to stone her to death, jesus said.. "He who is without sin cast the first stone!"

CrazyRiver
Jan 12, 2008, 07:01 PM
Hi there,

Well all I can say is that I am hoping you read this... I am in almost the same situation. I agree 110% with the fact that I don't know how I got here and I never would have thought that I would be having an affair. I too am having an affair with my married ex. We also were a couple about 15 years ago. We started being friends and I had a boyfriend (who is now my husband) we broke up for a while and that is when "Kevin" and I started dating. He fell for me fast, too fast for me, seeing how I had just broken up with Ron. He told me how much he loved me and I wasn't ready... I was afraid and I was still torn. I was 19 and only had two boyfriends before all this... so this was all new to me. To make a long story short, I wound up getting back with Ron. KEvin, couldn't even bare to remain "just friends", that was until about a year later when his Mom passed away and I called him and went to the funeral, we then became friends again and have been ever since. When my husband and I were dating, we broke up quite a few times, and I remember so many times when I would hang out with Kevin and he would tell me he still loves me and it's always been me. To move along, I kept turning him away, so much to the point that I actually set him up with the woman he is married to now... talk about kicking myself.

So here we are now in a much worse situation then you are in. My husband and I have two children. Kevin and his wife have a son who is 2 1/2 just like my son. To make it worse I go to their house every week for our son's to have a playdate. His wife has no idea and I feel like I am suffocating and I don't know what to do.

I see him with his wife and his son, and I wish it were me he was married to. Only my best friend knows about us and she has no idea what to tell me, which is why I am glad I found your post. I'm hoping we can help each other because I want so badly to end it, but I can't imagine how, not to mention our lives are also bound because of our sons now.

I will be checking back frequently to see if you've responded. I too was desperately looking for someone in my situation, not just a random fling or a new attraction. If these feelings wouldn't have been here prior to the affair I never would have sought out another man.

I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Crazy River

skyprincess
Jan 13, 2008, 07:36 PM
You are a whore, enough said. He's married; hands off. Maybe if he GETS a divorce, give him time AFTERWARDS, then you can pursue him, but he's married, I know you wouldn't be very happy if your ex's girlfriend, came back into the picture while you and your Ex were married, and besides, if he is willing to leave his then wife, who is to say he won't leave you for someone else? He doesn't sound like a very trusting person if he is able to do that. Leave him alone; let him stay in his marriage, if his wife's cheating was that much of a problem, I'm sure she would have been served papers along time ago, stop being a home wrecker.

andy2659
Jan 13, 2008, 07:47 PM
You are a whore, enough said. He's married; hands off. Maybe if he GETS a divorce, give him time AFTERWARDS, then you can pursue him, but he's married, I know you wouldn't be very happy if your ex's girlfriend, came back into the picture while you and your Ex were married, and besides, if he is willing to leave his then wife, who is to say he won't leave you for someone else? He doesn't sound like a very trusting person if he is able to do that. Leave him alone; let him stay in his marriage, if his wife's cheating was that much of a problem, I'm sure she would have been served papers along time ago, stop being a home wrecker.


You are a whore,

Wow, you must be one of the all loving Christians I keep reading about in the Bible. :)

skyprincess
Jan 13, 2008, 07:51 PM
Wow, you must be one of the all loving Christians I keep reading about in the Bible. :)


Sure... but I'm actually really just honest, that's all :)
Sometimes tooo honest :D Lol.

andy2659
Jan 13, 2008, 07:53 PM
Here is a good cite. You will probaby find lots of understanding friends there. People there would never be so low as to call you a whore.

Love, Interrupted (http://www.loveinterrupted.com/)


Hi there,

Well all I can say is that I am hoping you read this...I am in almost the same exact situation. I agree 110% with the fact that I don't know how I got here and I never would have thought that I would be having an affair. I too am having an affair with my married ex. We also were a couple about 15 years ago. We started out being friends and I had a boyfriend (who is now my husband) we broke up for a while and that is when "Kevin" and I started dating. He fell for me fast, too fast for me, seeing how I had just broken up with Ron. He told me how much he loved me and I wasn't ready...I was afraid and I was still torn. I was 19 and only had two boyfriends before all this...so this was all new to me. To make a long story short, I wound up getting back with Ron. KEvin, couldn't even bare to remain "just friends", that was until about a year later when his Mom passed away and I called him and went to the funeral, we then became friends again and have been ever since. When my husband and I were dating, we broke up quite a few times, and I remember so many times when I would hang out with Kevin and he would tell me he still loves me and it's always been me. To move along, I kept turning him away, so much to the point that I actually set him up with the woman he is married to now...talk about kicking myself.

So here we are now in a much worse situation then you are in. My husband and I have two children. Kevin and his wife have a son who is 2 1/2 just like my son. To make it worse I go to their house every week for our son's to have a playdate. His wife has no idea and I feel like I am suffocating and I don't know what to do.

I see him with his wife and his son, and I wish it were me he was married to. Only my best friend knows about us and she has no idea what to tell me, which is why I am glad I found your post. I'm hoping we can help each other because I want so badly to end it, but I can't imagine how, not to mention our lives are also bound because of our sons now.

I will be checking back frequently to see if you've responded. I too was desperately looking for someone in my situation, not just a random fling or a new attraction. If these feelings wouldn't have been here prior to the affair I never would have seeked out another man.

I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Crazy River

andy2659
Jan 13, 2008, 07:56 PM
Sure... but I'm actually really just honest, thats all :)
Sometimes tooo honest :D Lol.

Yep, I know. That's what is so scary.

HistorianChick
Jan 14, 2008, 06:56 AM
From personal experience DO NOT DO ANYTHING UNTIL HE IS LEGALLY DIVORCED!

Believe me, that is the only important piece of advice that you need right now. Don't pursue a relationship with him until he is legally divorced. Having just "coming off" of a relationship with a "divorce-in-the-works" man myself, believe me when I say, it only will cause heartache and unnecessary decisions down the road...

Once he's divorced, that's a different story. Good luck!

Picassa
Jan 14, 2008, 11:29 AM
Others have said things along these same lines, but I caution you to not get involved in this situation for a few reasons.
1) Consider the character of a married man who is cheating on his wife and children.
2)Consider the character of a married man who is lying and making excises to justify what he is doing.
3)Consider that a cheater is always a cheater based upon his own moral development or lack thereof, and that you will very likely be a victim of this cheating and lying behavior in the future.
4)Consider that trust is the foundation of any relationship worth having. Ask yourself if you would ever truly trust this man.
5)Consider that your own feelings and emotions regarding this situation are coloring your intellect and understanding about a future relationship.
6)Consider looking in a mirror and asking yourself some difficult questions about your own moral character and what kind of a person you would like to be in this world.
7)Take the reins of your own life and ride away as fast as you can!

Cornfuzed
May 10, 2008, 09:25 AM
Real close to my situation, but not quite. We just didn't know we liked one another.

mustard_seed
May 11, 2008, 01:05 AM
Sand 32: Continue to kid yourself but don't drag the rest of us into the ditch with you. All the wonderful things you share & great times spent with ANOTHER WOMAN'S MAN ain't worth it. What's wrong with you that you can't get it together & find a man who (KEY WORD), RESPECTS YOU? No man who cares would enter a DANGERIOUS situation with such a PERFECT, UNDERSTANDING, ONE-OF-A-KIND, 'honest' piece of work such as yourself? Can you spell USED? Look in the mirror, it's stamped on your forehead. He saw it, why can't you? Do you expect this liar to tell you the truth of what life at HOME WITH HIS FAMILY is really like? Why should he? You have no clue as to what reality is--he may confuse you even more. You might come to your senses and break off the easiest piece he's ever had if you knew the truth. I can bet all his friends, male family members, all the men on his job, know every inch of your body, every sex trick, every word said... You are entertainment for them all. How does knowing that make you feel? Cheap, right? Well, you are just that.

I am just the kind of wife you need to meet in person. Why? Can't post here but let me just say, "There would be some sad singing & flower bringing!" Why would I share my life with MY man--with all the joys and sorrows it NORMALLY brings (IN THE REAL WORLD WHERE ALL THE REST OF US LIVE), to let a silly little fool like you interfere with my marriage? Ph-leese!

andy2659
May 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
7 months ago I ran into my old boyfriend, who I havn't seen for 25 years. He was my boyfriend when I was 15-17 years old. At the time we broke up I when we were teenagers, he wanted it to be more serious and I, being only 17 was afraid of talking about
getting married and so forth. I had heard about him a few times between then and now, I
was told by a few people that even years later he asked about me and said he couldn't get
me out of his mind. I too, thought about him alot over the years, and regretted hastily
breaking up with him. Well, the years go by, and I have been married (15 years) and
divorced, he is on his 2nd marriage. His 1st marriage only lasted a few years, his current
marriage is going on over 15 years now. I have also heard from several people that his
current wife is very possessive of him and has alot of problems, including threatening suicide, having 2 afairs (that he knows about) etc... Anyway, when I saw him again it was
obvious that the feelings were still there for us both. When we hugged, neither one of us
wanted to let go. As dramatic as this may sound, I actually felt like I found a missing piece of myself. We exchanged emails and have been in touch ever since. We have met
in person a few times durring lunch and after work. We can talk for hours and be happy
just holding each other. We talk about everything on email, from every day things, our kids, and how we feel about each other. Neither one of us knows what to do. I know this is obviously wrong, and hearing about and knowing people having affairs with married men, before this happened to me, my advise was always to just get out of it and stop it.
Having an affair with a married man is something that will only get people hurt. These things do happen, my best friend actually got back together with her old boyfriend from high school, while she was still married, she got divorced and married her old high school boyfriend, they have been married 17 years now. I feel like an idiot not, believing I would never let myself get into a situation like this. But it's here, it's happening and I don't know what to do. One thing I havn't mentioned yet is that I have been with the same man now for almost 6 years. We have a great relationship, and without him knowing it, I have screwed that up! The old boyfriend that I am, I guess I could say having an affair with has been talking about divorcing his wife, he says they have always had problems and he wants to be with me. I know I sound like the idiot, in love with a married man who realistically may never leave his wife. I would like advise please, mostly from people who have experienced the same thing, not just having an affair like this, but with an old love. Hopefully there is someone out there who can give me advise, good or bad and maybe share their experience. :confused:
Anything new?

lovemetender1
May 30, 2010, 05:43 PM
I believe that everyone has a soul mate. We don't control destiny. If you love someone let him go, if he comes back he is your's forever. I believe that these men were put into your lives for a reason. It doesn't matter if they are married. Everyone makes mistakes. I don't agree with cheating with someone that is married. If you both truly love each other, then its time to throw in the towel and move forward into an everlasting relationship. You get one soul mate in your life time. Don't let it get away from you. It doesn't matter who they are with or if they are married. Everyone has ONE SOUL MATE and if you don't pursue him/her you may never have another opportunity and you will have to live with being unhappy for the rest of your lives... That would be Drastic!

lovemetender1
May 30, 2010, 05:45 PM
7 months ago I ran into my old boyfriend, who I havn't seen for 25 years. He was my boyfriend when I was 15-17 years old. At the time we broke up I when we were teenagers, he wanted it to be more serious and I, being only 17 was afraid of talking about
getting married and so forth. I had heard about him a few times between then and now, I
was told by a few people that even years later he asked about me and said he couldn't get
me out of his mind. I too, thought about him alot over the years, and regretted hastily
breaking up with him. Well, the years go by, and I have been married (15 years) and
divorced, he is on his 2nd marriage. His 1st marriage only lasted a few years, his current
marriage is going on over 15 years now. I have also heard from several people that his
current wife is very possessive of him and has alot of problems, including threatening suicide, having 2 afairs (that he knows about) etc... Anyway, when I saw him again it was
obvious that the feelings were still there for us both. When we hugged, neither one of us
wanted to let go. As dramatic as this may sound, I actually felt like I found a missing piece of myself. We exchanged emails and have been in touch ever since. We have met
in person a few times durring lunch and after work. We can talk for hours and be happy
just holding each other. We talk about everything on email, from every day things, our kids, and how we feel about each other. Neither one of us knows what to do. I know this is obviously wrong, and hearing about and knowing people having affairs with married men, before this happened to me, my advise was always to just get out of it and stop it.
Having an affair with a married man is something that will only get people hurt. These things do happen, my best friend actually got back together with her old boyfriend from high school, while she was still married, she got divorced and married her old high school boyfriend, they have been married 17 years now. I feel like an idiot not, believing I would never let myself get into a situation like this. But it's here, it's happening and I don't know what to do. One thing I havn't mentioned yet is that I have been with the same man now for almost 6 years. We have a great relationship, and without him knowing it, I have screwed that up! The old boyfriend that I am, I guess I could say having an affair with has been talking about divorcing his wife, he says they have always had problems and he wants to be with me. I know I sound like the idiot, in love with a married man who realistically may never leave his wife. I would like advise please, mostly from people who have experienced the same thing, not just having an affair like this, but with an old love. Hopefully there is someone out there who can give me advise, good or bad and maybe share their experience. :confused:

It is worse being with someone you absolutely don't love. It's a bigger sin. Seems he is your soul mate. Don't let him go, force his hand into divorce or you should move one. Happy endings do happen