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kepi
Jun 12, 2007, 12:09 AM
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?

nymphetamine
Jun 12, 2007, 12:12 AM
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?

That depends on what your religion is, dear. Not everyone believes the same, but in some religions it is because pork is considered unclean.

nymphetamine
Jun 12, 2007, 12:15 AM
I didn't notice this was in the Christian thread. Sorry. Christians eat pork. Maybe they eat a little too much at times.

Clough
Jun 12, 2007, 12:18 AM
There are some interesting thoughts on the subject on the following site.

Clean and Unclean meats: a Christian perspective (http://www.abcog.org/food.htm)

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 02:00 AM
According to the new testament it is not what you put in your mouth that makes you dirty but what comes out of your mouth.

Whatever you think for yourself is good to eat, will be.

Whatever you think is not good for yourself won't be.

It is up to each individual.

I eat pork.

Joe

brandy681
Jun 12, 2007, 03:03 AM
Some religions believe that eating pork is a sin but others disagree. I believe it is a sin to eat foods for the wrong reasons and therefore I eat to satisfy my stomach and not out of pleasure. This has to do with sweets as well and beef and pork and if you eat any food for the wrong readons this may be considered a sin. I think some people think that it is a sin to eat red meat also like beef but it is okay once in a while and is needed for protein. Some people also believe that it is a sin not to be a vegetarian but it just depends on the person, some people just eat the fruits and leafs of the earth such as salads, fruits and some eat fish but not all of them as I wouldn't consider it a vegetarian. Back in the bible days everyone mostly ate veggies, fruits, and fish! A friend of mine is Hindu and she will not eat pork and gets sick at the smell of bacon, actaully she is not suppose to eat meat at all or in only special occasion but she does eat meat but NO pork at all but that is her religion.

speechlesstx
Jun 12, 2007, 01:39 PM
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?

My goodness I hope not or I'll be going to hell for sure. In addition to what Joe said, Romans 14 puts it this way:


2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.

4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

In other words, it's up to you. As for me, I love it - grilled, fried, barbecued, in fajitas or coated in mushroom gravy. :cool:

kindj
Jun 12, 2007, 02:01 PM
I'd like to add the following to the previous responses:

Acts 10

Peter went up on the roof to pray.
10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

This addresses the question, as well.

As a side issue, I often like to use this (especially verse 13) when confronted by people about my proclivity to hunting. ;)

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 06:47 PM
That depends on what your religion is, dear. Not everyone believes the same, but in some religions it is because pork is considered unclean.

I'm a Christian who believes that pork is unclean based on God's Word. I simply call it a "food law." I don't think that people, including Christians, who eat pork will go to hell but I don't think that they will be as healthy as they could be. I lived on a ranch as a young adult and I spent 3 years in the FFA (Future Farmers of America) during high school. Pigs will eat anything and everything including their own droppings. They are the vacuum cleaners of the earth. They are packed full of parasites and are immune to most of the diseases that they pick up because that's how God made them.

Pork is not the only unclean food to eat but that's another topic for another time.

Mamao2
Jun 12, 2007, 06:50 PM
I am a Christian and I have never heard of eating pork being a sin, so I think it's okay.

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 06:58 PM
I'm a Christian who believes that pork is unclean based on God's Word. I simply call it a "food law." I don't think that people, including Christians, who eat pork will go to hell but I don't think that they will be as healthy as they could be. I lived on a ranch as a young adult and I spent 3 years in the FFA (Future Farmers of America) during high school. Pigs will eat anything and everything including their own droppings. They are the vacuum cleaners of the earth. They are packed full of parasites and are immune to most of the diseases that they pick up because that's how God made them.

Pork is not the only unclean food to eat but that's another topic for another time.

So you do not have any reference for What Jesus says in the new testament?

Tessy777
Jun 12, 2007, 07:06 PM
It is only a sin if you are a Jew and you keep the law. Jesus was a Jew, he kept the law and I'm sure he never touched it. A Christian today is free to eat and drink whatever they want to unless they are over indulging.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 07:26 PM
Whatever you think for yourself is good to eat, will be. Whatever you think is not good for yourself wont be.It is up to each individual. I eat pork. Joe


So as long as I think that eating E.coli is good, it will be? If I think that eating human flesh is good, will it be? I will definitely need references for this one.

Sam_Felgen
Jun 12, 2007, 07:31 PM
I Do Not Think That It Is A Sin At All To Eat Pork But It Also Depends On Your Religion Or What You Believe In! Weather You Want To Eat Pork Or Not Is All Up To You.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 07:32 PM
So you do not have any reference for What Jesus says in the new testament?

If you believe that Jesus is God and that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then there are plenty of references in the Whole Testament which is the Word of God in its entirety. Peter understood that pork was unclean when he had his vision. Many will claim that the interpretation of his vision means that pork is now clean to eat. However, his vision had to do with men and their converstion to Christianity... not meat.

Nonetheless, anyone who has had the opportunity to watch pigs will know that they are vacuum cleaners. They are fun to watch and I think they are a neat animal in many ways but I wouldn't eat pork unless by very life depended on it.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 07:35 PM
It is only a sin if you are a Jew and you keep the law. Jesus was a Jew, he kept the law and I'm sure he never touched it. A Christian today is free to eat and drink whatever they want to unless they are over indulging.

Jesus was also our example. If we conclude that He lived His way His way and we are free to live ours our way, then where do we draw a line? Are we each free to do whatever pleases ourselves as individuals? If you say yes, then you are in full agreement with the teachings of secular humanism which is in total opposition to Christianity and its tenets.

alkalineangel
Jun 12, 2007, 07:35 PM
Pigs will eat anything and everything including their own droppings. They are the vacuum cleaners of the earth. They are packed full of parasites and are immune to most of the diseases that they pick up because that's how God made them.

Aren't most pigs that are sold for meat kept in better sanitary conditions than most hospitals? I was always told that they are exclusively grain fed and never touch a dirt ground.

http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/8/biosecurity-disinfection/1656/hygiene-on-the-pig-farm-the-latest-concepts

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 07:43 PM
So as long as I think that eating E.coli is good, it will be? If I think that eating human flesh is good, will it be? I will definitely need references for this one.

Your really twisting things here now, arnt you.

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 07:43 PM
If you believe that Jesus is God and that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then there are plenty of references in the Whole Testament which is the Word of God in its entirety. Peter understood that pork was unclean when he had his vision. Many will claim that the interpretation of his vision means that pork is now clean to eat. However, his vision had to do with men and their converstion to Christianity...not meat.

Nontheless, anyone who has had the opportunity to watch pigs will know that they are vacuum cleaners. They are fun to watch and I think they are a neat animal in many ways but I wouldn't eat pork unless by very life depended on it.


Jesus said, it is not what is put in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it. That is written.

Joe

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 07:48 PM
Aren't most pigs that are sold for meat kept in better sanitary conditions than most hospitals? I was always told that they are exclusively grain fed and never touch a dirt ground.

http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/8/biosecurity-disinfection/1656/hygiene-on-the-pig-farm-the-latest-concepts

I haven't been to every pig ranch that there is but I have been to a couple that claim to be very clean and sterile. The first thing I noticed in both cases was the horrendous stench. Most of the workers there used gas masks. One of the places I went to was feeding slop that had grain mixed in with it. I don't know for sure what else was in it but I wouldn't have eaten it even if I had been one of the pigs. The other place claimed to feed their pigs corn. Most of the corn came from the floors of canneries in surrounding counties. Again, it certainly wasn't something I would have put on my plate. There is no guarantee at any pig ranch anywhere that the pigs aren't eating their own droppings or the droppings of their next door neighbor. Now I only visited for a short time. My eyes burned and it just plain stunk. They seemed to have been kept fairly clean but certainly not cleaner than a hospital. Perhaps there are some out there that do fit the criteria you mentioned but I wouldn't bet on it. Whatever the case may be, I'll stick to free-range beef.

Tessy777
Jun 12, 2007, 07:51 PM
Jesus was also our example. If we conclude that He lived His way His way and we are free to live ours our way, then where do we draw a line? Are we each free to do whatever pleases ourselves as individuals? If you say yes, then you are in full agreement with the teachings of secular humanism which is in total opposition to Christianity and its tenets.


Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fulfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I'm a Christian... I live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please... where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter... he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law... hmmmmm? Reminds me of someone else...

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 07:53 PM
Jesus said, it is not what is put in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it. That is written.

Joe

He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 07:54 PM
Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fullfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I"m a Christian ...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

You said it, straight up.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:01 PM
Hey AJ,

Give me a break! JESUS fullfilled the LAW. I LOVE the way you "rightly divide" the Word. I am SO SURE that when Peter had the vision and was told to get up and EAT the "unclean" food that what God was REALLY saying was don't DO IT. I'm trying to not get irritated but my goodness that is just SILLY! JESUS WAS A JEW! He followed the Law. I"m a Christian ...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

If you read the entire passage, you will find the interpretation of his vision a few paragraphs down. The discussion had to do with whether a person who was not of the tribe Judah could receive salvation. Paul believed that the Word should be taught to the Gentiles (nations of lost Israel) while Peter thought of them as unclean barbarians. He went to sleep and had his dream or vision. At first he didn't understand what the dream meant because he knew that it was wrong to eat unclean food. He then came to the realization that it had to do with the spreading of gospel. I truly urge you to slow down, relax, and read the Word of God before reacting so violently. I'm not trying to mislead anyone. I'm not saying these things for my health. I've been a student of the Bible for 25 years and I may be dumb but I'm not stupid.

Tessy777
Jun 12, 2007, 08:02 PM
[QUOTE=ActionJackson]He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.[/QUOT

SO! Don't eat snickers... don't EAT pork if you think pigs are gross! That is a personal preference! Just stop twisting the scriptures to make your personal preference seem HOLY... cause it ain't. I'm free to eat Pork... the BIble says so! In fact, I'm going to go fry up some bacon right now... yummy!

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:08 PM
Hey AJ,
...i live under Grace and He said EAT IT so I DO. The Lord isn't confusing here in the least. As far as doing whatever we please....where did that come from? Why don't you read Paul Epistles? Paul had to get on Peter ....he had a tendency to slip back into the Jewish mind set and put himself back under the Law.....hmmmmm? reminds me of someone else....

Eat it until the cows come home and then eat it some more. As for me, I choose to eat clean food that God, not Tessy, says is clean. I don't eat catfish either. They're certainly not corn fed but are bottom feeders. They are the vacuums of the water. Since Christians are under the moral Law of God I prefer to reach for that standard as best I can. When I fall, I pray for Christ's forgiveness and try again.

If you had read my first response to this post you would have seen that I don't believe that people who eat pork are hellbound. However, our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost and should be treated as such. If it's okay to eat pork, then it's okay to smoke cigarettes (it's just tobacco which is part of God's creation, right?)

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:11 PM
[QUOTE=ActionJackson]He also told the Pharisees that cleaning the outside of a cup means nothing if the cup is filthy inside.

Of course, in both of our examples, Christ wasn't talking about food but about words and attitudes.

What we put in ourselves is most certainly important. We can all agree that there are some things that are just plain bad for us and some things that are good for us. If everything we ate was always good for us just because we thought it, then I would live on Snickers Bars.[/QUOT

SO! don't eat snickers...don't EAT pork if you think pigs are gross! That is a personal preference! Just stop twisting the scriptures to make your personal preference seem HOLY...cause it ain't. I'm free to eat Pork...the BIble says so! In fact, i'm gonna go fry up some bacon right now...yummy!

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest... eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

Tessy777
Jun 12, 2007, 08:16 PM
[QUOTE=Tessy777]

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest...eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

Lol... does too!

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 08:17 PM
[quote=Tessy777]

It might go to your thighs if you don't watch it. Anyway, be my guest...eat vacuum meat if it feels good but don't say that the "Bible says so" because it don't!

ACTIONJACKSON,

Your twisting the bible to suit your own interests.

The bible says lots of things but your twisting it to suit your own beliefs. The bible states a lot of things about food, exceptance of food.

The new testament is being ignored by you completely and this argument is pointless because you think your right even though the bible and Jesus states other then what your trying to preach.

I am done here. You need to except that people here actually might have more knowledge about the bible and why they believe what they do without you twisting words, which exactly what you have been doing on this whole thread.

Goodnight everybody, and I can not wait to cook my pork chops tomorrow. I do not need to ask forgiveness because I am not doing anything wrong.

Joe

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:28 PM
[QUOTE=ActionJackson]

lol...does too!

Prove your point with God's Word... not Tessy's

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:30 PM
[quote=ActionJackson]

ACTIONJACKSON,

Your twisting the bible to suit your own interests.

The bible says lots of things but your twisting it to suit your own beliefs. The bible states a lot of things about food, exceptance of food.

The new testament is being ignored by you completely and this argument is pointless because you think your right even though the bible and Jesus states other then what your trying to preach.

I am done here. You need to except that people here actually might have more knowledge about the bible and why they believe what they do without you twisting words, which exactly what you have been doing on this whole thread.

Goodnight everybody, and I can not wait to cook my pork chops tommorow. I do not need to ask forgiveness because I am not doing anything wrong.

Joe

I'm simply asking for biblical proof from you and/or Tessy. I guarantee you that I can come up with more Bible verses against the eating or even touching of pork than you can FOR it. Cigarettes are bad for you but they are just a green leaf. Should we eat or smoke tobacco?

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 08:38 PM
From the New Testament, we read about the teaching of Jesus on holiness:

"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'."
Mark 7:18-23

I will come up with more later, but I am past my bedtime now.

Tessy777
Jun 12, 2007, 08:43 PM
You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace... they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law... go for it. I'm too tired to argue with you.

JoeCanada76
Jun 12, 2007, 08:45 PM
You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

Me too.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:52 PM
From the New Testament, we read about the teaching of Jesus on holiness:

"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'."
Mark 7:18-23

I will come up with more later, but I am past my bedtime now.



Apparently not as dull as others (you sound like a real Chirstian). Christ obviously was not talking about food. He was talking about a man's spiritual cleanliness. If you eat black tar, you will probably die due to the "unclean" manner in which you took care of your body.

Calling someone names is what Christ was talking about when He spoke of defiling yourself by what comes out of the mouth. Knowing what Christ said and living by what He said are clearly two different things.

ActionJackson
Jun 12, 2007, 08:55 PM
You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

The Old Testament is the WORD OF GOD. The same God who wrote the Old Testament wrote the New Testament. It's the SAME GOD. There aren't two different Gods competing with each other. If your Old Testament is so detestible to you then you ought to tear it up and throw it away after you black out all those things in the New Testament that you don't like. Heck, just throw your Bible away altogether and you won't have to read or live by any of it. Sheesh!

bushg
Jun 12, 2007, 09:00 PM
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?
My mother and her church always taught us that God cleansed it in the new testament. My niece married a Muslim that would not sit at a table where pork was served nor eat anything that contained pork products.

ActionJackson
Jun 13, 2007, 03:42 AM
You can NOT come up with more biblical passages about NOT eating pork unless you go back to the old testament under the law. You CANNOT mix law with grace....they DON'T mix. If you insist on being under the Law....go for it. I'm too tired to argue with ya.

Law and Grace go hand in hand. Christians seek to live by a high standard (the Law) set by God. Due to sin nature, we always fall short. When we fall short, we turn to Christ and ask His forgiveness. Through Grace, we are forgiven. Because we are forgiven, we feel grateful and try to please the Lord by living by His higher standard, the Law. And the cycle continues. Over a period, weeks, months, years, decades, we find that we are closer to living by God's standard, the Law, than we were years before. That lengthy process is called sanctification. Sanctification is a product of God's grace.

Law and grace go hand in hand.

Tessy777
Jun 13, 2007, 06:04 AM
The Old Testament is the WORD OF GOD. The exact same God who wrote the Old Testament wrote the New Testament. It's the SAME GOD. There aren't two different Gods competing with each other. If your Old Testament is so detestible to you then you ought to tear it up and throw it away after you black out all those things in the New Testament that you don't like. Heck, just throw your Bible away altogether and you won't have to read or live by any of it. Sheesh!


Thanks so much for settiing me straight... and here I thought that two different Gods were competing. Good to know. Now why would I need to throw my Bible out or blacken out parts I don't like when I could be like you! I will pull verses OUT of context... REFUSE... to look at WHO they are written DIRECTLY to, WHEN they were written... WHY it was Written and THEN when I find a verse that doesn't go along with what I THINK... I'll explain it all away and say OH! What God just said... he didn't mean at all... it was a metaphor. Your way is WAAAAAAAY more fun. Lol

speechlesstx
Jun 13, 2007, 06:35 AM
I don't eat catfish either. They're certainly not corn fed but are bottom feeders.

As are a number of Christians, but I digress. Just one question, do you have a liver and a colon?

speechlesstx
Jun 13, 2007, 06:46 AM
Because we are forgiven, we feel grateful and try to please the Lord by living by His higher standard, the Law. And the cycle continues.

I'm sorry, but I haven't seen anything yet that explains how abstaining from pork and catfish is part of "His higher standard." You've already been shown a number of scriptures - that have nothing to do with Peter's vision - that tell us it doesn't matter. Here are even more from 1 Corinthians 10:


23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,

26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

28 But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--

29 the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?

30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.


It DOESN'T matter. If you wish to refrain from eating pork and catfish then I'm cool with that, but there is NOTHING inherently sinful about eating such things. "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it," and I thank God for pork and catfish - especially battered and fried.

Hope12
Jun 13, 2007, 07:15 AM
Hello,

The collective designation for the ordinary pig (Sus domestica); a medium-sized, cloven-hoofed, short-legged mammal having a thick-skinned, stocky body usually covered with coarse bristles. The pig’s snout is blunt, and its neck and tail are short. Not being a could chewer, the pig was ruled unacceptable for food or sacrifice by the terms of the Mosaic Law.Le 11:7; De 14:8.
While God’s ban on eating pork was not necessarily based on health considerations, there were and still are hazards connected with the use of this meat for food. Since pigs are indiscriminate in their feeding habits, even eating carrion and offal, they tend to be infested with various parasitic organisms, including those responsible for diseases such as trichinosis and ascariasis.
The Israelites generally seem to have viewed swine as especially loathsome. The ultimate degree in disgusting worship is conveyed by the words: “The one offering up a gift,the blood of a pig!” Isa 66:3 To the Israelites, few things could have been more inappropriate than a pig with a gold nose ring in its snout. And it is to this that Proverbs 11:22 compares an outwardly beautiful woman who is not sensible.
Although apostate Israelites ate pork Isa 65:4; 66:17, the Apocryphal books of First Maccabees 1:65, Dy; and Second Maccabees 6:18, 19; 7:1, 2, Dy; show that during the foreign domination of Palestine by the Syrian king Antiochus IV Epiphanies and his vicious campaign to stamp out the worship of God Almighty, there were many Jews who refused to eat the flesh of swine, preferring to die for violating the decree of the king rather than to violate the law of God.
Some other nations did not eat pork, to the Greeks it was a delicacy. Likely as a result of Hellenistic influence, by the time of Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry, there were apparently quite a number of pigs in Palestine, particularly in the Decapolis region. In the country of the Gadarenes there was at least one herd of about 2,000 pigs. When Jesus permitted the demons that he had expelled to enter this large herd, every last one of the animals rushed over a precipice and drowned in the sea.Mt 8:28-32; Mr 5:11-13.
The apostle Peter compared Christians who revert to their former course of life to a sow that returns to its wallow after having been washed. 2Pe 2:22 However, it is evident that, as relates to the pig, this illustration is not intended to apply beyond the surface appearance of things. Actually, the pig, under natural conditions, is no dirtier than other animals, although it indulges in wallowing in the mud from time to time in order to cool off in the heat of the summer and to remove external parasites from its hide.
In conclusion, what God tells us to eat, who are we to say it is dirty and unclean to eat. God gave Noah permission to eat the animals. We are also under the Law of Christ, not the Mosaic law and therefore able to eat pork. Like all other animal products we must though keep in mind the standards of healthy preparing of meats and proper storage. If we do then pork is food given to us by God.

Take care,
Hope12

speechlesstx
Jun 13, 2007, 08:55 AM
Hello,

The collective designation for the ordinary pig (Sus domestica); a medium-sized, cloven-hoofed, short-legged mammal having a thick-skinned, stocky body usually covered with coarse bristles. The pig’s snout is blunt, and its neck and tail are short.

Hope, thanks for telling us all what a pig is via an Insight article :rolleyes:

I do agree though, ain't nothing wrong with eating pork.

ActionJackson
Jun 13, 2007, 07:07 PM
23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,

26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

28 But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--

29 the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?

30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.


"Everything is permissible." Everything is permissible? Everything? Anything that a person desires is permissible? Or are there qualifications associated with that statement. Shooting heroin certainly isn't permissible or am I wrong?

"Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others." How can I seek the good of others if I am strapped to a hospital bed due to a heroin overdose or from food poisoning? I have to take care of my body, the temple of God, if I am to be any good to my family, coworkers, friends, etc.

"Eat anything sold in the meat market..." If it was understood by the society of that time that pork was an unclean meat, then it would not have been in the meat market. Remember that most of the people of that time were NOT Christians yet. The prevailing religion was Judaism which forbade pork. Pork was not even to be near other foods let alone be sold or eaten.

"The earth is the Lord's and everything in it." No argument with that. But I will say that nightshade, oleander, and other poisonous herbs are a part of God's creation but certainly not for the dinner table.

If someone put monkey brains before you at their dinner table, would you eat them? Maybe you would but my conscience wouldn't let me.

Would you have partaken of Jim Jones last supper giving all glory to God?

Clearly, the verses you quoted have a deeper meaning that you give them credit for. In fact, if you read the entire 10th chapter of I Corinthians from verse 1 to 33, you will see that Paul is not simply giving a clean bill of health for all that man stuffs down his gullet. There is a spiritual discussion taking place having to do with eating food sacrificed to God or devils (among other things).

change
Jun 13, 2007, 07:26 PM
Is it true it is a sin to eat pork?
I never thought it was a sin.. maby wasting it.. its good food. Although a lot of religions think so!! And that's fine with me because it leaves more for me. I can't Wait to sleep in my pig skin duffel bag tonight... no its not a sin dig in to that nice big pork chop

ActionJackson
Jun 16, 2007, 06:44 PM
i never thought it was a sin..maby wasting it.. its good food. although alot of religions think so!!! and that's fine with me because it leaves more for me. i can't Wait to sleep in my pig skin duffel bag tonite......no its not a sin dig in to that nice big pork chop

Nothing like a plate full of crispy parasites with a little pork meat for flavor. It's really good with a side of maggot salad topped with dog vomit dressing... mmmmm mmmmm goooood.

cassini
Jun 24, 2007, 09:46 PM
In islam this is banned. Because pork is a dirty animal. What is the food of pork, that is the reason.

calover16m
Jun 25, 2007, 01:42 AM
If you are a christian then it is OK to eat pork and other meat. At one point in The Bible it says something about how God created the animals so that man could eat them.

Cynaka
Jun 26, 2007, 11:28 AM
I have made the choice to not eat pork or any other foods considered to be unclean in the bible. This is a personal choice. While I support eating "clean" foods, I do not condemn those who choose not to. Do I think it's a sin to eat pork? No. Even if it was a sin, God gave His son for us so that we could be forgiven of any sin we make. Not only that, but I don't believe that actions and deeds do not make or break our salvation alone. It is only by our complete devotion and belief in Christ and God that ensures eternal life. Actions and deeds come after.

Cynaka
Jun 26, 2007, 11:35 AM
As I read through the answers and rebuttals given, I am absolutely in shock! Each person is entitled to their opinions. People accusing others of 'twisting' God's word isn't conducive. We all have our own intepretations of the Word of God and I don't think any are wrong. The whole point of CHristianity is LOVE. This isn't a good way to show that love that we are supposed to emulate. So here's a healing hug to all. *HUG*

Bubbler
Jun 26, 2007, 02:37 PM
The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase."
Deuteronomy 14:8

Christians believe that this verse was directed only at the Jews. But Jesus himself says during the Sermon on the Mount; "Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Another view is that some Christians say that, after a vision by Peter, God cleansed all animals and made them fit and lawful for human consumption. If ALL animals are cleansed by Peter's vision, this includes dogs, cats, vultures, and rats: but you just don't see people getting excited about a cat-meat sandwich like they do over barbecued pork or bacon. I have also read a book some time ago that said something along the lines of if you Live by the Rules of the old Testament you must live by all the Laws not just the one's you pick as your choice, and if you follow the teaching of the way of Grace, you must live by those rules.

Bubbler
Jun 26, 2007, 02:45 PM
Please not this is not my writing below its something I found on the internet but makes for good reading --> :p




Bad effects of pork consumption

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

Sulfur helps cause firm human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage. Eating pork can also lead to gallstones and obesity, probably due to its high cholesterol and saturated fat content. The pig is the main carrier of the taenia solium worm, which is found it its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has trichinosis from eating trichina worms which are found in pork. Many people have no symptoms to warn them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are not noticed during meat inspections, nor are they killed by salting or smoking. Few people cook the meat long enough to kill the trichinae. The rat (another scavenger) also harbors this disease. There are dozens of other worms, germs, diseases and bacteria which are commonly found in pigs, many of which are specific to the pig, or found in greater frequency in pigs.

Pigs are biologically similar to humans, and their meat is said to taste similar to human flesh. Pigs have been used for dissection in biology labs due to the similarity between their organs and human organs. People with insulin-dependent diabetes usually inject themselves with pig insulin.

Lolitah_xx
Jul 10, 2007, 03:51 PM
It depends on your religion